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27 years ago when civil rights leader
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Martin Luther King jr. was assassinated
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grief and frustration erupted in
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America's cities and far away in Iowa
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one third-grade teacher knew she had to
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do something the shooting of Martin
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Luther King could not just be talked
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about and explained a way there was no
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way to explain this too low third
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graders in Riceville Iowa I knew that it
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was time to deal with this in a concrete
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way not just talk about it because we
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had talked about racism since the first
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day of school it was a daring experiment
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in the prejudice
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I watched wonderful thoughtful children
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turn into can one teacher in one day
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change the lives of her students forever
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tonight
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a class divided autist 1984 a high
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school reunion brings some 50 former
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students to Riceville Iowa 11 of them
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some with their spouses and children
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arrived early for a special reunion with
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their former third-grade teacher Jane
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Elliott
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[Laughter]
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[Music]
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14 years earlier when they were students
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in her third-grade classroom ABC News
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filmed a two-day exercise for a
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documentary the eye of the storm now at
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their request they will see that film
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again and relive the experience of her
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unique lesson in discrimination
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my sweet this is a special week does
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anybody know what it is national
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Brotherhood week what's Brotherhood be
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kind to your brothers treat everyone the
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way you would like to be treated treat
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everyone as though he was your brother
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and is there anyone in this United
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States that we do not treat as our
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brothers yes black people who else in
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absolutely the Indians and when you see
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when many people see a black person or a
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yellow person or a red person what do
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they think look at the dumb people what
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else do they think sometimes what kinds
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of things do they say about black people
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in a city many places in the
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United States how are black people
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treated how are indians treated how are
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people who are of a different color than
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we are they don't get anything in this
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world why is that because they're
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different color do you think you know
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how I would feel to be judged by the
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color of your skin
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I don't do you think you do no I don't
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think you'd know how that felt unless
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you had been through it would you it
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might be interesting to judge people
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today by the color of their eyes would
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you like to try this sounds like fun
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doesn't it since I'm the teacher and I
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have blue eyes I think maybe the
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blue-eyed people should be on top the
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first day I mean the blue-eyed people
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are the better people in this room oh
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yes they are mm-hmm all right people are
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smarter than brown eyed people
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are you sure dad cried you know one day
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you came to school and you told us that
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he kicked you he dude do you think a
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blue-eyed father would kick his son
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brings daddy's blue-eyed he's never
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kicked him but Rex is dead
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blue eyed he's never kicked him this is
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a this is a fact blue eyed people are
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better than brown eyed people are you
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brown eyed or blue eyed hello why are
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you shaking your head are you sure that
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you're right why what makes you so sure
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that you're right blue eyed people get 5
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extra minutes of recess while the right
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people have to stay in the brown eyed
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people do not get to use the drinking
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fountain you'll have to use the paper
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cups you brown eyed people are not to
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play with the blue eyed people on the
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playground because you are not as good
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as blue-eyed people well the brown eyed
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people in this room today are going to
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wear collars so that we can tell from a
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distance what color your eyes are on
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page 127 127 is everyone ready everyone
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but Laurie
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ready Laurie she's a brown-eyed you'll
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begin to notice today that we spend a
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great deal of time waiting for
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brown-eyed people the yardsticks dog
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well okay I don't see the yardstick to
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you oh you think if the brown-eyed
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people get out of hand that would be the
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thing to use who goes first to lunch the
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blue-eyed people
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no brown-eyed people go back for seconds
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blue-eyed people may go back for seconds
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brown-eyed people do not run don't you
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know that damn reason might take too
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much
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and it seems like when we were down on
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the bottom everything bad was happening
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to us the way they treated you you felt
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like you didn't even want to try to do
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anything seem like mrs. Elliott was
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taking our best friends away from us
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what happened at recess for two of you
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boys fighting John what happened John
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that's so Pony names
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[Music]
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yeah what's wrong with being called
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bride it means that we're stupid wrong
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like that
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Oh same way as other people call black
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people yeah that's the reason
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you're hitting John did it help
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did it stop him they make you feel
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better inside mmm make you feel better
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inside it make you feel better to call
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him brown eyes why do you suppose you're
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calling brown eyes Freddie 15
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Seth the only reason he didn't call him
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brown eyes yesterday he had brown eyes
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yesterday didn't he get some pinkies
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always this teasing no well he what were
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you doing it for fun to be funny who are
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you doing it to be mean I don't know
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don't ask me did anyone laugh I watched
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what had been marvelous cooperative
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wonderful thoughtful children turn into
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nasty vicious discriminating little
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third graders in space of 15 minutes
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yesterday I told you that brown-eyed
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people aren't as good as blue-eyed
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people that wasn't true I lied to you
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yesterday the truth is that brown-eyed
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people are better than blue-eyed people
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Russell where are your glasses
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I forgot them you forgot them and what
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color are your eyes
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Suzan ginder has brown eyes she didn't
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forget her glasses
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Russell ring has blue eyes and what
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about his glasses he forgot them
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yesterday we were visiting and Greg said
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boy I like to hit my little sister as
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hard as I can that's fun what does that
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tell you about blue-eyed people
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the brown-eyed people may take off their
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collars and each of you may put your
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collar on a loo eyed person
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the brown-eyed people get five extra
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minutes of recess
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you blue-eyed people are not allowed to
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be on the playground equipment at any
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time you blue-eyed people are not to
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play with the brown-eyed people
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brown-eyed people are better than
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blue-eyed people they're smarter than
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blue-eyed people and if you don't
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believe it look at Brian do blue-eyed
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people know how to sit in a chair very
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sad very very sad who can tell me what
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contraction should be in the first
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sentence throw the board and write it
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John come on let's do it again
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loosen up up come on
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that's better now do you know how to
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make a W okay write the contraction for
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we are now that's beautiful writing is
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that better yeah
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brown-eyed people learn fast don't they
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boy I do with brown-eyed people learn
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fast very good
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Gregg what did you do with that cup will
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you please go and get that cup and put
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your name on it and keep it at your desk
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blue-eyed people are wasteful okay it
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might be time this morning I news
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orton-gillingham phonics we used the
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card pack and the children the
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brown-eyed children were in the low
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class the first day and it took them
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five and a half minutes to get to the
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card pack the second day it took them
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two and a half minutes the only thing
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that had changed was the fact that now
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they were superior people couldn't you
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get them yesterday oh and you couldn't
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think as well with the collars on 4
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minutes and 18 seconds I know how long
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did it take you yesterday 3 minutes how
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long did it take you today
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what happened when done why
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are you thinking of this I hate today
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because I'm glue I there's nothing it's
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not funny it's not fun it's not pleasant
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this is a filthy nasty word called
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discrimination we're treating people a
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certain way because they are different
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from the rest of us is that fair
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no nothing fair about it we didn't say
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this was going to be a Faraday did we
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and it isn't it's a horrid day ready
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what did you do people who are wearing
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new colors now find out today prison
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make your channel not up in the prison
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you're throwing the key away should the
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color of some other person's eyes have
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anything to do with how you treat them
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no all right then should the color of
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their skin no should you judge people no
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no I the color of their skin no you're
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going to say that today and this week
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and probably all the time you're in this
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room you'll say no mrs. alley
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every time I asked that question no then
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when you see a black man or an Indian or
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someone walking down the street are you
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gonna say does it make any difference
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whether their skin is black or white or
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yellow or red is that how you decide
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whether people are good or bad what
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makes people good or bad let's take
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these collars off would you like to do
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with them go ahead now you know a little
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bit more than you knew at the beginning
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of this way
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do you know a little bit more than you
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wanted to yeah this isn't an easy way to
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learn this is it okay now let's all sit
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down here together blue eyes and brown
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eyes hey listen okay now we're back that
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you have make any difference in the kind
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of person you are does that feel like
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being home again girls
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[Applause]
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[Laughter]
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this was the third time Jane Elliott had
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taught her lesson in discrimination the
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first two years earlier was in April of
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1968 on the day after Martin Luther King
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was killed by one of my students came
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into the room and said they shot a king
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last night mrs. Elliott why'd they shoot
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that King I knew the night before that
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it was time to deal with this in a
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concrete way not just talk about it
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because we had talked about racism since
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the first day of school but the shooting
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of Martin Luther King who had been one
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of our heroes of the month in February
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could not just be talked about and
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explained away there was no way to
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explain this to low third graders in
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Riceville Iowa as I listened to the
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white male commentators on TV the night
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before I was hearing things like who's
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going to hold your people together as
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they interviewed black leaders what are
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they going to do who's going to control
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your people as though this was these
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people were subhuman and someone was
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going to have to step in there and
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control them they said things like when
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we lost our leader
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his widow helped to hold us together
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who's going to hold them together and
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the attitude was so arrogant and so
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condescending and so ungodly that I
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thought if white male adults react this
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way what are my third graders going to
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do how are they going to react to this
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thing I was ironing the teepee we
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studied an Indian unit we made a teepee
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every year the first year the students
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would make the teepee out of pieces of
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sheet we'd sew it together and the next
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year we decorate it with Indian symbols
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I was ironing the previous year's teepee
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getting it ready to be decorated the
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next day and I thought of what we had
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done with the Indians we haven't made
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much progress in these 200-300 years and
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I thought this is the time now to teach
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them really what the Sioux Indian prayer
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that says oh great spirit keep me from
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ever judging a man until I have walked
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in his moccasins really means and for
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the next day I knew that my children
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were going to walk in someone else's
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moccasins for a day
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like it or lump but they were going to
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have to walk in someone else's moccasins
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I decided at that point that it was time
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to try the eye color thing which I had
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thought about men
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many times but had never used so the
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next day I introduced an eye color
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exercise in my classroom and split the
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class according to eye color and
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immediately created a microcosm of
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society in a third grade classroom
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Riceville hasn't changed much in the 17
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years since then it's still a small
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farming community surrounded by corn
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fields its population is still under a
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thousand and it's still all white and
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all Christian and though Jane Elliott
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has continued to teach her a lesson in
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discrimination there's been little
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outward local reaction no objections
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from school authorities or the parents
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of the 300 odd students who have by now
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been through it the reunion of her
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former third graders was Jane Elliot's
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first chance to find out how much of her
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lessons her students had retained Raven
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why I wanna know why you were so eager
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to discriminate against the rest of
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these kids yeah
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at the end of the day I thought the
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miserable little Nazi really I just I
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couldn't stand you it felt tremendously
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evil you could all your inhibitions were
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gone and no matter if they were my
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friends or not any pent-up hostilities
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or aggressions that these kids had ever
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caused you you had a chance to get it
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all out
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it felt like I was a king like happy you
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know and you did it all day yeah how did
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you feel when you were the out-group boy
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that day after we went home
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who gonna talk about hating somebody it
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was there you hated me yeah of what you
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were putting us through nobody likes to
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be looked down upon nobody likes to be
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hated teased or discriminated against
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and it just boggles up inside of you you
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you just get so mad where you're just
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angry or was there more than that
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I felt demoralized humiliated is the
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learning worth the agony yeah it made
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everything a lot different than what it
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was you uh we was a lot better family
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all together even in our houses we was
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probably because it it was hard on you
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when you have your best friend one day
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and then he's your enemy the next it
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brings it out real real quick in you I
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don't know some of the remarks were the
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kinds of things I would have wished I
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could have programmed into them if I had
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been able to program them they're the
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things I would have wanted them to say
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some of the things were just
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mind-blowing you know you hear these
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people talking about you know different
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people how they're you know me
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difference and they'd like to have a
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mother country wish they'd go back to
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Africa you know and stuff sometimes I
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just wish I had that caller in my pocket
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I could whip it out and put it on and
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say wear this and put your put yourself
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in their place I wish they would go what
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I went over you know do what I went
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through we was at a softball game a
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couple weekends ago and there was a
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black you know I really and we hugged
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each other and everything and some
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people really look just like what are
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you doing with him you know and you just
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get this Bernie feeling insatiable let
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it out
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and put them through what we went
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through to find out they're not any
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different myself sometimes when I see
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some people together and I see how they
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act you know I think well that's black
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and then right in the next second don't
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even finish the thought I'm saying well
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I've seen whites do it I've seen other
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people do it it's not just the blacks
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it's everyone acts differently it's just
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the different color is what hits you
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first and then later as I said I only
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have finished that thought before I
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remember back when I was like that and I
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remember not you know everyone acts the
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same way it's just your way of thinking
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is the difference like one of my
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grandparents just somebody and they
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started talking about old times and they
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say the Japs and all this and that and
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they
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start you know holding that against them
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I think how'd you like to have been them
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Japanese Americans get sworn into this
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camp just because they happened to be
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part Japanese you know I I just calm
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down and think about it but when they
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get older they set in their ways and
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they're not gonna change when you get
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older I'll be set in my ways but they're
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different than that way when fellas
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absolutely enthralled Sandi dolmens
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statements that when my son comes home
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with the word and the other
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things that he hears downtown I say to
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him listen that isn't the way we judge
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people you don't judge people by how
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they look you judge them by what's on
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their inside not their outside I'm glad
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that she's teaching him not to hate
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because even though he does hear this
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from the other people he if he goes home
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anything's on mom and diet dad like the
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black people I'm gonna like him too so I
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don't think he's gonna pick nothing bad
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about it you chose your husband well he
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chose me taken you know they listened a
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lot of other people too so they're gonna
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end up kind of confused over it yeah
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kind of person you kids are or is he
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going to be the kind who judge people
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whether well he'll know right somewhat
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right from wrong the ideas he won't be
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judging him by their color but he won't
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know what we know fully having been
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through it
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he won't learn collar the prejudice
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Piermont dollar he won't look prejudice
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first handed yeah
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they don't learn to be prejudiced from
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us I mean they won't learn to
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discriminate between people from us they
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might he might hear from others but
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never from us okay what's it like to be
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married to somebody like that and I was
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gonna marry Sheila I knew it for my
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future that I was going into the
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military at first I thought is she gonna
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be able to handle being with all the
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different nationalities
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and then I read the storm read the book
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a class divided the class divided before
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we got married and before I joined the
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army and I said hey she's not gonna have
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any problems should every should every
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child have the exercise or should every
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teacher I think every school ought to
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implement something like this program in
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their in their early stages of education
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if Jane Elliot's lesson in
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discrimination changed the way these
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young people feel about discrimination
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and racism it also had a totally
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unexpected result the second year I did
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this exercise I gave little spelling
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tests math tests reading tests two weeks
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before the exercise each day of the
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exercise in two weeks later and almost
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without exception the students scores go
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up on the day they're on the top down on
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the day they're on the bottom and then
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maintain a higher level for the rest of
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the year after they've been through the
00:27:08
exercise we sent some of those tests to
00:27:11
Stanford University to the psychology
00:27:14
department and they did a sort of an
00:27:16
informal review of them and they said
00:27:18
that what's happening here is kids
00:27:20
academic ability is being changed in a
00:27:22
24 hour period and that isn't possible
00:27:24
but it's happening something very
00:27:26
strange is happening to these children
00:27:28
because suddenly they're finding out how
00:27:30
really great they are and they are
00:27:32
responding to what they know now they're
00:27:35
able to do and it has happened
00:27:37
consistently with third graders the film
00:27:40
made of Jane Elliott's third graders in
00:27:42
1970 has been widely used with students
00:27:45
and teachers and by government business
00:27:48
and labor organizations concerned about
00:27:50
human relations perhaps the most unusual
00:27:53
use of it is here at Green Haven
00:27:56
Correctional Facility a maximum-security
00:27:59
prison in Stormville New York
00:28:06
[Music]
00:28:09
here in a sociology course taught by
00:28:12
Professor Dewayne W Smith of Dutchess
00:28:15
Community College is almost exclusively
00:28:17
black and Hispanic classes have been
00:28:20
seeing the film for more than 10 years
00:28:22
what I'd like to do is introduce the
00:28:26
subject of prejudice and discrimination
00:28:28
through this film called the eye of the
00:28:31
storm
00:28:34
[Applause]
00:28:42
[Applause]
00:28:43
[Music]
00:28:45
Sandra and her brown-eyed friends didn't
00:28:48
like that day but did you think the
00:28:58
children by this process really learned
00:29:01
the meaning of the discrimination most
00:29:04
of the children before the film started
00:29:07
they had played and lived together in
00:29:08
harmony
00:29:09
and certain action of coming from the
00:29:12
teacher and seeing the teacher has an
00:29:14
authoritarian figure and someone to
00:29:16
respect they accepted the views that was
00:29:18
being given to him but I think in at the
00:29:21
end of the lesson they would they could
00:29:22
clearly see that prejudices and other
00:29:25
forms of discrimination are things that
00:29:28
people build within their minds and
00:29:30
they're not actually actual physical
00:29:32
barriers that say yo you can't cross the
00:29:34
street the one kid I could really agree
00:29:37
with was at recess it was a brown-eyed
00:29:42
kid he had this inner turmoil against
00:29:48
this feeling of being divided or
00:29:51
prejudiced against where he would hit
00:29:53
another kid that he is known for so many
00:29:55
years in the gut whether he also stated
00:30:00
that it didn't help any so that
00:30:03
automatically should be a lesson to
00:30:05
every adult in the world violence
00:30:07
doesn't open
00:30:08
and you know this is a film that I hope
00:30:11
my children good to see unlike New York
00:30:15
Iowa is 98% white anglo-saxon yet even
00:30:19
here minority groups account for more
00:30:21
than 20% of the prison population to
00:30:24
make sure its prison system employees
00:30:27
are sensitive to the concerns of this
00:30:29
large minority the Iowa Department of
00:30:31
Corrections last fall hired Jane Elliott
00:30:34
to give her lesson to some of them the
00:30:38
group which included prison guards and
00:30:40
parole officers was told only that it
00:30:42
would be attending a day-long workshop
00:30:45
David Stokes buried most of our training
00:30:48
you go to people give you information
00:30:50
and you learn that way Lou I when I
00:30:54
first came with the sign up and such and
00:31:00
and got put in the group I didn't know
00:31:02
when I start seeing the signs around you
00:31:05
know brown eyes only in such I figured
00:31:08
they were the better group because they
00:31:10
had a lot of spaces available and and
00:31:13
they were done for the blue eyes so when
00:31:16
I got put in the blue eyes group and put
00:31:18
the collar on and I I knew well then I
00:31:21
was going to be in the deprived coop
00:31:22
again okay now you can stay in this area
00:31:25
the workshop was supposed to begin at
00:31:28
9:00 they took the brown eyes in about
00:31:31
9:00 and then left us standing in the
00:31:33
hall but I'd literally stood because
00:31:36
there weren't enough chairs and I didn't
00:31:37
know whether or not I'd wanted to fight
00:31:39
to take a chair down it and know if
00:31:40
somebody'd come and take the chair away
00:31:42
from me if I did while David Stokes
00:31:45
Barry and the other blue-eyed people
00:31:46
waited inside the meeting room Jane
00:31:49
Elliott prepared the brown-eyed people
00:31:51
for what was going to happen
00:31:53
now this is not something I can do alone
00:31:56
this exercise won't work without your
00:31:58
cooperation blue eyed people aren't
00:32:01
allowed to smoke blue eyed people aren't
00:32:04
allowed to sit in these empty chairs
00:32:05
do not let a blue-eyed person sitting
00:32:07
next to you you know you can't trust
00:32:09
them and besides which they don't smell
00:32:11
good everybody knows that about
00:32:12
blue-eyed people you don't know what you
00:32:14
can catch from a blue-eyed person by
00:32:17
9:20 I felt someone tagging
00:32:19
and I'm stuck out here for 20 minutes
00:32:20
standing waiting I still say we always
00:32:24
see what kind of reaction we'd get by
00:32:26
everyone just simply going in no one
00:32:30
wants to do opposed and by all senior
00:32:40
song we shall overcome I need to have
00:32:46
you keep it down I don't how many times
00:32:49
I need to give that instruction but you
00:32:51
need to keep it down so you don't bother
00:32:52
the people in the little workshop mm-hmm
00:32:55
I was pretty well ticked off by the time
00:32:58
we got taken in their home person
00:33:02
already pointed at your own feet have
00:33:03
you butchered person to coat the coin
00:33:10
it would be to your advantage in the
00:33:13
future people if you'd get to meetings
00:33:15
on time it would also be to your
00:33:16
advantage if you'd put your gum away put
00:33:22
your gum away you want to get paid for
00:33:24
today well then stay but put your gum
00:33:27
away I'm sure that you are inventive
00:33:32
enough to find a place for the gum now
00:33:35
I'd like for you to notice where she put
00:33:37
her gum you have this problem with
00:33:39
blue-eyed people you gives them give
00:33:41
them something decent and they just
00:33:42
wreck it you'll also notice that
00:33:44
blue-eyed people spend a lot of time
00:33:46
playing look at me see how cute I am I
00:33:48
can be funny I can make a joke of this
00:33:50
this is amusing I'm amused by this
00:33:52
another thing that is obvious about
00:33:54
blue-eyed people is that they're poor
00:33:55
listeners the first thing you have to do
00:33:57
when you get when you're teaching in a
00:33:58
segregated situation when you're working
00:34:00
in a segregated situation is teach the
00:34:04
listening skills the listening skills
00:34:06
are number one good listeners have quiet
00:34:09
hands feet and miles everyone needs to
00:34:13
write these down I'd like for you to
00:34:15
look at the man in the back in the black
00:34:17
jacket the game we're playing is playing
00:34:21
it cool this is a favorite blue eyed
00:34:24
game playing it cool nobody can bother
00:34:26
me man
00:34:27
I can handle this I don't have to do
00:34:29
this I'm gonna ignore this whole thing
00:34:31
number two good listeners keep their
00:34:34
eyes on the person who is speaking I
00:34:38
take it you don't have a pencil
00:34:42
you're you perhaps you could borrow one
00:34:45
from one of your neighbors sir I realize
00:34:49
that you feel that you don't need to
00:34:50
write it down but whether or not you
00:34:52
write it down perhaps you could remember
00:34:54
it good listeners have quiet hands feet
00:34:57
and miles do you know what that means
00:34:58
I'm not sure I believe that
00:35:01
do you want me to explain it to you ok
00:35:03
I'll get a pencil and write this down
00:35:04
directly
00:35:05
look blue-eyed people all many of you
00:35:08
have pencils well one of you please lend
00:35:10
him a pencil or don't you trust me which
00:35:13
I can understand from the last 10
00:35:17
minutes what have you observed about
00:35:18
blue-eyed people you lie people are very
00:35:21
stubborn very self-centered and wish to
00:35:24
control as much of their surrounding as
00:35:27
possible people that wise I mean very
00:35:30
inconsiderate people I don't even know
00:35:31
what you're having here in the first
00:35:32
place we have them here because we are
00:35:35
required to have them here this is one
00:35:39
of the things you have to put up with
00:35:41
number three good listeners listen from
00:35:45
the beginning to the very end
00:35:54
okay good listeners decide to learn
00:35:56
something and this is the thing you'll
00:36:01
have the most difficulty with with
00:36:03
relied people they decide not to learn
00:36:05
something some of you have had trouble
00:36:08
with blue-eyed people in your home
00:36:10
environment some of you have had trouble
00:36:11
with blue-eyed people in your workplace
00:36:12
does anybody have an example of that
00:36:14
that they'd like to talk about anyone
00:36:18
two nephews ones blue eye and one brown
00:36:22
eye and the blue eye one that King never
00:36:24
cleans his room and he's real lazy and
00:36:27
the brown you know he doesn't seem to
00:36:30
have a lot of energy the blue eye one
00:36:32
but the brown eye one he's draw outgoing
00:36:35
and he plays in sports and then he's
00:36:36
pretty good at it you know he just seems
00:36:39
like a better kid so if I have kids I
00:36:42
hope they have brown eyes you are you
00:36:44
married no I think it's a good thing you
00:36:47
don't have kids in it right well you
00:36:48
will know what to do when it's when you
00:36:51
choose a mate right would you like to
00:36:54
read that first listening skill to me
00:36:56
have we got on that paper yet oh why is
00:36:59
that
00:37:00
I am the borrow the pencil to write it
00:37:05
down as yet how do you think it's
00:37:07
unnecessary at this particular point yes
00:37:11
I do
00:37:11
why
00:37:16
well I have it in my head for the most
00:37:21
part they're a base up there for it
00:37:23
isn't their friend do you suppose you
00:37:26
could tell me what it is it had
00:37:29
something to do with keeping your hands
00:37:31
and feet still that's something to do
00:37:34
with that I find it interesting that
00:37:38
you're amused by our having to stand
00:37:39
here and wait for this man to do
00:37:41
something that everybody else has
00:37:42
already done I find that highly
00:37:45
interesting stupid but interesting if if
00:37:50
you are in a situation where someone is
00:37:52
constantly constantly refusing to do
00:37:56
what the people in authority ask them to
00:37:58
do what do you know about them what do
00:37:59
you know about that person well I think
00:38:02
it's a game with them attention has it
00:38:06
gained anything for this gentleman
00:38:08
disrespected from I think for the
00:38:10
brown-eyed people has it proven anything
00:38:13
to brown-eyed people yeah this is a
00:38:17
typical trait of a blue-eyed person I
00:38:23
read the second one yeah I don't have
00:38:29
the second one can I read it off right I
00:38:31
don't have the second one either you
00:38:32
have you are keeping it in your head
00:38:33
what happened to that plan just them
00:38:35
just the first one I had in my head not
00:38:37
this the other three aren't important
00:38:41
well they're probably more important but
00:38:45
not important enough for you to write
00:38:46
down right well they're important I
00:38:51
should have written them down most
00:38:53
probably most probably does anybody back
00:38:57
there knows you don't have it written
00:38:59
down either I want you to take a look at
00:39:01
these two so-called gentlemen
00:39:05
now we need to hear the good listening
00:39:08
skills from you I don't want you to
00:39:11
think that I'm badgering you boys but on
00:39:15
the other hand on the other hand you're
00:39:18
here to learn something and if you learn
00:39:19
nothing else today it would be nice if
00:39:21
you would learn the listening skills
00:39:23
what do you know now about brown-eyed
00:39:25
people that you didn't know before you
00:39:27
about blue-eyed people that you didn't
00:39:28
know before you came in here finding I'm
00:39:32
gonna have to explain things a bit more
00:39:34
explicitly to a blue-eyed person that I
00:39:37
went to a brown that person how many
00:39:39
times did I have to repeat the listening
00:39:40
skills for Roger brother Rogers having a
00:39:44
rough time two days man it was about six
00:39:47
seven different times you think that's
00:39:50
amusing Roger apparently somewhat
00:39:53
amusing as part of the lesson the
00:39:58
corrections department employees took a
00:40:00
written test all right I need these
00:40:02
names and the scores are just initials
00:40:10
they are just an initial no last name no
00:40:13
names
00:40:13
how many eleven in Jordan or Charles I'm
00:40:20
not sure thank you sir tell me the name
00:40:24
again
00:40:26
Jordan you can't read the name no I
00:40:29
can't I can't make it out
00:40:34
what's your name my name is chambers
00:40:40
first name Janine and what was her score
00:40:46
thanks you Riley with a 5e e Riley
00:40:52
well a Riley please stand you know it's
00:40:59
what you do to the image of blues with
00:41:03
your behavior is unfortunate what you
00:41:07
three people do to the image of women
00:41:10
with your behavior really makes me angry
00:41:12
the fact that you do this kind of thing
00:41:15
and this kind of sloppy work reflects
00:41:17
badly on women I resent that ee yes
00:41:22
ma'am I'd really appreciate it if you'd
00:41:24
call us by name when you say you three
00:41:26
people we don't know who you're speaking
00:41:27
to it could be anyone here my dear if
00:41:30
you wanted me to call you by name you to
00:41:32
put your name on your paper it's on my
00:41:35
it was to be on your paper you didn't
00:41:37
see my papers I didn't get your name
00:41:40
either because it wasn't on your paper
00:41:41
all right now how can one call you by
00:41:43
your name if you don't care enough about
00:41:45
your name to put it on your paper don't
00:41:46
expect me to worry about it don't expect
00:41:49
me to worry about it if you don't put it
00:41:50
on your paper don't sit here and say my
00:41:53
name is important to me after you have
00:41:56
just deliberately not put it on your
00:41:58
paper you're being totally unrealistic
00:42:01
important to me I remember saying I like
00:42:03
to know who you're speaking to you when
00:42:05
you say you three then what should you
00:42:07
do ask you to use my name which I did
00:42:11
and where should your name of the bin
00:42:13
right where it is on your paper and on
00:42:16
my birth certificate is it on your paper
00:42:17
no ma'am where'd you get a birth
00:42:20
certificate same place you got out of a
00:42:23
slot machine same as you did lady I
00:42:25
think you're probably right about your
00:42:27
own at least I know who my parents are
00:42:31
ma'am
00:42:32
being rude yes she's being inconsiderate
00:42:35
very being uncooperative very being
00:42:37
insulted yes are all those the things
00:42:39
that we've accused blue-eyed people of
00:42:40
being yes
00:42:42
is she proving that we're right yes does
00:42:49
anyone have any comments to make at this
00:42:51
point do you feel that there are
00:42:53
important blue-eyed people there are
00:42:55
exceptions to every rule and what are
00:42:58
those exceptions there are a few
00:42:59
important blue eyed people very few you
00:43:04
should think that you're one of them
00:43:06
no that is why are you up there then I'm
00:43:10
blue eyed the difference between you and
00:43:12
me is I have a brown eyed husband and
00:43:14
brown eyed offspring I've learned how to
00:43:16
behave in a brown-eyed society and when
00:43:19
you can act brown enough then you too
00:43:22
can be where I am I wouldn't be where
00:43:25
you are are you certain
00:43:27
absolutely how'd you like where you are
00:43:30
I love where I am you liked it so much
00:43:33
that you don't even identify your self
00:43:35
on your paper I don't need to lady her
00:43:40
using the term lady where I'm concerned
00:43:42
what you think she's trying to do is it
00:43:45
ignorant or is it deliberately insulting
00:43:48
I wouldn't say was deliberately
00:43:50
insulting if it's ignorance she needs to
00:43:53
be taught that to many of us the word
00:43:56
lady is a pejorative I don't appreciate
00:43:59
it
00:43:59
it is it's a put-down and it's used to
00:44:03
keep women in their place
00:44:06
I'm sorry calling it by a correct name
00:44:09
after this I won't be kind that was
00:44:11
kindness on your part yes then you are
00:44:14
sure come when a lady is a kindness then
00:44:16
your problem is ignorant you shouldn't
00:44:18
call me lady anytime you like I wouldn't
00:44:21
do that to you no I really wouldn't I I
00:44:24
think that and that's part of the
00:44:25
problem is a total lack of awareness and
00:44:29
what sexism amounts to and how much you
00:44:32
contribute to the sexism that keeps you
00:44:36
where you are it's not like where I am
00:44:39
lady
00:44:43
get up with this whole bunch of garbage
00:44:45
just brown-eyed people's are no
00:44:48
different than we are I hate to tell
00:44:51
them that they have these false
00:44:52
delusions and such are they being
00:44:54
erected no you trained them very well I
00:44:59
think that's what they did with the
00:45:01
stormtroopers in Germany also you guys
00:45:02
do a real good job sitting where do I
00:45:11
think I am the Jews after a break for
00:45:25
lunch Jane Elliott helped the
00:45:26
corrections department employees analyze
00:45:28
what had happened did you learn anything
00:45:32
this morning I was powerless there was a
00:45:37
sense of hopelessness I was angry I
00:45:41
wanted to speak up and yet I at times I
00:45:43
knew if I spoke up I'll be back in a
00:45:46
powerless situation I'd be attacked a
00:45:49
sense of hopelessness had you had you
00:45:54
experienced that before I realized this
00:45:56
morning that there are very few times in
00:45:58
my life that I've ever been
00:45:59
discriminated against very few and you
00:46:01
are this uncomfortable in an hour and a
00:46:03
half I was amazed at how uncomfortable I
00:46:06
was in the first 15 minutes can you
00:46:08
empathize it all then with blacks
00:46:11
minority group members in this country
00:46:12
I'm hoping better than before we tried
00:46:17
to argue with you you you would use just
00:46:20
the mere argument as the reason for us
00:46:23
being lesser than the brown-eyed folks
00:46:26
you know you couldn't win don't we do
00:46:28
that every day I think I think some do
00:46:31
yeah but I would hope that I never get
00:46:34
so unreasonable I died
00:46:35
you know the statements you were making
00:46:37
were groundless and such and yet we
00:46:39
couldn't argue with them because if we
00:46:40
argued then we were argumentative and
00:46:42
you know not listening and and getting
00:46:47
out of our place and all that stuff and
00:46:49
and that was frustrating to me and then
00:46:52
frustrating to me was the other
00:46:53
little green tags who are sitting on
00:46:55
their hands my group here was I didn't
00:46:58
think the boisterous enough in our
00:47:00
opposition to the whole thing why didn't
00:47:02
you people support one another why
00:47:06
didn't the blue-eyed people who I people
00:47:08
on this side just sat there and let's
00:47:11
face it you're covered your asses right
00:47:16
why did you just sit there I think that
00:47:21
symptomatic of the problem as a whole we
00:47:23
see that you know in society in general
00:47:25
you see a few people who are making a
00:47:27
lot of noise and the rest of people
00:47:29
sitting back waiting to see what they're
00:47:30
going to do okay as long as I was
00:47:32
picking on you to him I was leaving you
00:47:33
alone right right I'd say a lot of
00:47:35
people accept that they let have a few
00:47:37
people do their fighting form and they
00:47:39
stand back and and if this person's
00:47:41
gonna win then they'll get on this side
00:47:43
if that person's not gonna win they'll
00:47:45
stay back over here you know that's just
00:47:48
how it works if you were in a real
00:47:50
situation where you had to do something
00:47:52
about racism well just would you stand
00:47:55
up and be counted
00:47:56
what I would do I don't know it would
00:47:57
depend on the existing I couldn't go
00:48:00
home tonight and face my kids if I
00:48:03
didn't how did you brown eyed people
00:48:05
feel while this was going on did you
00:48:11
have the right color eyes absolutely I
00:48:15
really understood at least I felt that I
00:48:18
understood what it was like to be in the
00:48:20
minority why are you angry first of all
00:48:24
because it was unreasonable secondly
00:48:28
because I felt discriminated against
00:48:29
thirdly I think that all of us everyone
00:48:32
in this room has dealt with
00:48:33
discrimination on both sides you don't
00:48:36
have to be black or Jewish or Mexican or
00:48:40
anything else to have felt
00:48:41
discrimination in your life and as you
00:48:44
become an adult you learn to deal with
00:48:47
those feelings within yourself you learn
00:48:49
to handle those and when you feel
00:48:51
yourself in a situation that you can't
00:48:54
get out of which we couldn't we were a
00:48:57
captive audience and it was not a normal
00:48:59
situation because normally aren't
00:49:01
badgered what if you had to spend the
00:49:04
rest of your life this way
00:49:05
I don't know how to answer that you
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don't wake up every morning knowing that
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you're different you wake up as a white
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woman who is going to her job at 8
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o'clock whatever where a black person is
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going to wake up knowing for a minute
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they get up out of the bed and look in
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the mirror they're black and they have
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to deal with the problems they've had to
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deal with ever since they were young and
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realize that I am different and I have
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to deal with life differently things are
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different for me and I don't think you
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can really say that you have felt maybe
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it felt some sort of discrimination but
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you haven't felt what it is like for a
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black woman to go through the daily
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experiences of arguing and saying listen
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to me my point of view is good you know
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what I have to offer here is good and no
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one wants to listen because white is
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right that's the way things are I think
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the necessity for this exercise is a
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crime no I don't want to see it used
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more widely I want to see it's the
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necessity for it wiped out and I think
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if educators were determined that we
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could be very instrumental in wiping out
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the necessity for this exercise but I
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want to see something used I'd like to
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see this exercise used with all teachers
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all administrators but certainly not
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with all students unless unless it's
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done by people who are doing it for the
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right reasons and in the white right way
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I think you could damage a child with
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this exercise very very easily and I
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would never suggest that everybody
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should use it I think you could have
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training classes for teachers bring them
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in put them through the thing explain
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what happened do the debriefing and then
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practice doing this until teachers until
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a group of teachers were able to do it
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on their own and I'd that teachers are
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not disabled learners they could learn
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to do this obviously if I can do it most
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anyone can do it it doesn't take a super
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teacher to do this exercise what began
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in a third-grade classroom has spread
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from students to teachers to corrections
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officers at the center is still a single
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teacher determined to inoculate her
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students both young and old
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against the virus of bigotry after you
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do this exercise when the debriefing
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starts when the pain is over and you're
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all back together and you're all one
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again you find out how society could be
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if we really believed all this stuff
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that we preach if we really acted that
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way you can feel as good about one
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another's those kids feel about one
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another after this exercise is over you
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create instant cousins I thought maybe
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that lasted just while they were in my
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classroom because of my superior
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influence but indeed these kids still
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feel that way about one another they
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said yesterday over and over the remark
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was made we're kind of like a family now
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they found out how to hurt one another
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and they found out how it feels to be
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hurt in that way and they refused to
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hurt one another that way again and they
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said we're kind of like a family now and
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indeed we were
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