Rabbi Vigler: “It’s TIME to tell the World…”

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Resumo

TLDRThis video delves into the Jewish understanding of the Messiah, focusing on the question of whether a Reb could be the Messiah. It addresses the misconception that a Messiah cannot be someone who has died, a view historically used to counter Christian claims about Jesus. The speaker cites the Talmud, which suggests that the Messiah can either be living or resurrected from the dead. The conversation highlights the complexities faced by Jews during medieval debates with Christians, where they carefully navigated theological arguments without offending rulers or being forced to convert. The video also references historical figures considered potential Messiahs and discusses the role of miracles, stressing that Maimonides did not require miracles for someone to be recognized as the Messiah. Additionally, it clarifies that Gehenna, in Jewish thought, is a temporary holding place rather than a permanent afterlife location.

Conclusões

  • 🧐 Discusses if a Reb could be the Messiah.
  • 🤔 Explains misconceptions about the Messiah's death.
  • 📜 References Talmud's view on living vs. resurrected Messiah.
  • 🗣️ Describes historical debates with Christians.
  • 📚 Cites Maimonides: No need for miracles.
  • ✡️ Comments on medieval Jewish-Christian relations.
  • 👥 Discusses historical false Messiahs.
  • 🔍 Clarifies Gehenna's role in Jewish belief.
  • 🔄 Analyzes Messiah's qualifications.
  • ⚖️ Explores the balance in theological arguments.

Linha do tempo

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:22

    The speaker discusses the misconceptions about the criteria for being the Messiah (Moshiach). They argue against the belief that the Messiah cannot be someone who has died, a misunderstanding propagated during debates with Christians in the Middle Ages. Historically, Jewish scholars claimed the Messiah couldn't be someone who died to counter Christian arguments that Jesus could be the Messiah. However, Talmudic texts suggest that the Messiah could potentially come from the dead as well as the living, citing figures like Rabbi Yehuda the Prince and Daniel as possibilities. The speaker argues that someone who died could still be qualified as the Messiah and criticizes the historical debates that forced Jews to navigate delicate religious discussions under pressure. Ultimately, the speaker acknowledges the challenge of identifying a current Messiah but asserts a strong personal belief in the Rebbe as the most fitting candidate, emphasizing the nature of the Messiah's emergence as unpredictable and non-dependent on miraculous signs according to Maimonides' teachings.

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Perguntas frequentes

  • Can someone who dies be the Messiah?

    Yes, it's a misconception that the Messiah cannot be someone who has died. This belief was historically used in debates with Christians.

  • Why was it argued that Jesus couldn't be the Messiah?

    Historically, Jews argued that Jesus couldn't be the Messiah because he died, although this was more a strategy for debating with Christians.

  • What does the Talmud say about the Messiah?

    The Talmud states that the Messiah could be from the living or the dead, acknowledging the possibility of resurrection.

  • Who was considered as potential Messiahs historically?

    Figures like Baraza were considered Messiahs despite their deaths, although it's noted that he was killed for sins.

  • Is it necessary for miracles to happen before someone is declared the Messiah?

    No miracles need to occur for someone to be declared the Messiah, according to Maimonides.

  • What is the role of controversies in the Messiah debate?

    Debates and misconceptions about the Messiah have historically been used to navigate religious tensions between Jews and Christians.

  • Why is there confusion about the Messiah's requirements in Jewish thought?

    The confusion arises from historical debates and misconceptions propagated to counter Christian assertions about Jesus.

  • Can the Messiah emerge from any profession or public figure?

    Yes, the Messiah could potentially come from any background or profession.

  • What is Gehenna and its role in Jewish eschatology?

    Gehenna is considered a waiting area for souls before resurrection, not a final place in Jewish eschatology.

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    track 998a what does the Tom would say
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    Messiah right and
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    miracles of Mia I want to say this if
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    candidate to be mashiach
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    Messiah there has to to be a person in
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    the living if it's from the
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    room for The Souls of the deceased to
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    wait for the resurrection but but but
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    you we have to learn about this and I'm
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    I'm sorry if I whatever let let me just
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    not correct IMI said so explicitly not a
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    single Miracle needs to happen
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    in order for mhia to to to be declared
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    the mhia but by the way he does continue
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Etiquetas
  • Messiah
  • Reb
  • Judaism
  • Christianity debates
  • Medieval Jewish history
  • Talmud
  • Maimonides
  • Resurrection
  • Gehenna