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I wanted a place for people to receive
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authentic guidance and practical ways to
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awaken
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thought-provoking Paradigm shifting and
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empowering this is about expanding our
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human consciousness to create a wave of
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new possibilities I'm Dr Teresa Willard
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weich and this is quantum Minds TV
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welcome to Quantum mice TV where we take
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a deep dive into various perspectives on
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what it's going to take to create a
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shift in human consciousness on today's
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show I'm very excited to have joining me
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doctors JJ and Desiree her talk the her
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talks are social scientists futurists
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and the founders of the academy for
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future science an international NGO
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organization that bridges in the
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cooperation between science and
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spirituality through the positive use of
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Consciousness Dr JJ hertock has two phds
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not just one one from the University of
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California and the second from the
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University of Minnesota and he's
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authored several books including the end
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of suffering in collaboration with
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Russell Tark and his bestseller The Book
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of Knowledge the keys of Enoch now
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doctors JJ and Desiree her talk have
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also co-authored numerous books together
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including mind Dynamics in space and
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time in collaboration with physicist Dr
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Elizabeth rousher and they are the
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co-authors of several peer-reviewed
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articles examining how quantum physics
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works with the powers of the mind their
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most recent Publications include our
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moment of choice from 2020 which also
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contains their insights on how
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Consciousness Works along with many
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contributions from 40 other
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International respected writers such as
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Deepak Chopra and Bruce Lipton
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so welcome to Quantum Minds TV and thank
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you so much for being my distinguished
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guest today I'm really looking forward
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to this conversation
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well we're very honored to be with you
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and thank you for the overview we're
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very excited about the new evidences of
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life and universe and our role that we
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play as Consciousness beings right
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there's so much happening with the James
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Webb Telescope coming out and people are
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starting to look not only to the stars
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but to science to see what's really
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taking place in the cosmos we're at the
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cost of breaking the records of iniquity
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looking forwards and backwards at the
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same time to give us a holistic model of
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the Embrace
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well you both have been in this field
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for a very long time with you know
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trying to bridge science and
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spirituality helping to awaken human
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consciousness and you know you you have
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what like 50 years or so in in a
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lifelong career dedicated to this
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mission of helping Humanity to awaken
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and and to do so in a way that really is
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of the of the light
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because I just want to honor and
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acknowledge the fact that you have so
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much wisdom and experience to bring to
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the plate and so what have you found as
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some of the most important Keys when it
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comes to this process of Awakening human
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consciousness well there's many levels
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but I know we want to start with the
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science first and we're one of the first
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to talk about especially Dr hertak is
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that if we go back 50 years uh about a
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Multiverse that we are part of many
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universes and I know one of the things
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Dr Teresa you share with us is the fact
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of David bone who had this understanding
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that everything is in interconnected and
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so it's so important to start realizing
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the power of who we are in all of this
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that we are part of a much greater
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reality we are all interconnected and
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not only our universe but the
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multi-universes and I think that's so
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cool with what's going on with the James
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web is you know we're looking back in
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time we're going back perhaps in what
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we're seeing 400 million years on the
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start of What's called the Big Bang even
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though we feel you know that's really
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just a singularity but not alone that
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there was other universes before that
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and other universes of all come after
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that and so this is what's so amazing
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that it wasn't just chaos coming out at
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the beginning that's exactly what bone
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was talking about it was really
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something that was
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um will say hot order to it had designed
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to it and whether you call it a Divine
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Design or just something from Another
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Universe there's some sort of energy
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that made what we have today it's about
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in fact we know that there's simply four
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percent of known matter of the universe
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that we understand the rest is dark
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energy dark matter these are germs yet
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to be fully understood but there's so
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little that we do understand and now
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with new scientific tools such as the
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web uh laboratory in space we can take a
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clear look at the very beginning within
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the microseconds of life you know though
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we'll talk a little bit more about this
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I want to throw in at the very beginning
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We Believe Consciousness is behind
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everything and so it's not just signs I
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don't want to turn off some of your
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listeners thinking it's all just
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molecules and atoms you know somewhere
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now designed there's Consciousness
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behind it opposition is that mind and
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matter both come out of Consciousness
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yeah so uh you you've just already
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brought up so much there and I want to
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just take a little bit of a step back
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for a moment because not everyone
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necessarily knows who David Baum is uh
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now David Bowen was a theoretical
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physicist and in the early 1980s he
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helped to really I would say come at
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approaching this quantum physics and how
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to quantum physics and gravity you know
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what's going to be needed to to unite
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the two because this is what science
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still today is like the this is the big
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Missing Link is how do we unite quantum
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physics and gravity at that Quantum
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scale to create a unified field Theory
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but I would say that David Bowen really
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took a whole new approach like he was
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really trying to get outside the box and
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look at it from a completely different
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perspective and he said ultimately that
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whatever whatever Theory we come up with
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it needs to be more holistic it needs to
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include everything and he introduced
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this idea of what he called the
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implicate order versus the explicate
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order and the explicate order being
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what you see is what you get the things
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that we can measure the way in which we
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tend to experience and perceive our
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three-dimensional reality and so that
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was the the tangible the the
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experiential whereas the implicate order
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was something much deeper some higher
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dimensional reality that this this
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experiential 3D reality was just a
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projection of
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um and so he called that higher reality
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or that uh more multi-dimensional
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whether it's multiversal or higher
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dimensions and we can talk about that as
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well
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is uh the the greater reality and that
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our experience here is almost like a
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holographic projection not a not in a
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literal sense but in a metaphorical
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sense a holographic projection of a much
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higher reality and when you when you
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mention Consciousness
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um I would say that that really comes
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and ties into a lot of the Hermetic
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teachings and many ancient wisdom
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teachings that says the all is mind and
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that the universe is and and the
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universe is upon universes upon
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universes are like uh Creations within
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the mind of the all and even our
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Consciousness here is like a projection
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from some greater bus some higher
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spiritual being that we are uh that is
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that is uh emanating into this physical
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experiential world uh so I just wanted
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to kind of tie some of that in
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um and and I would like to ask you like
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how do you feel that bones uh implicate
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order and the hollow movement and how
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everything is more part of a greater
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whole how do you feel that that relates
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to us as humans
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well I think floam has reformulated a
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greater fluid plan going back to
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classical physics even to what the
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ancient Greek philosophers told in the
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Greek language henkaipan many in one he
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was able to conceptualize how the
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different particles and elements of the
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universe work with the Rhythm and a to
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basically a pattern of information that
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leads us into a holistic model uh bum
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was able to should we say stand of the
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sugars of Einstein and others of his
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early generation that you see Berkeley
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and other intellectual
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schools and see beyond the limitations
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of classical physics right so he was
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trying to merge relativity of course
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with quantum physics and he cited more
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of course with quantum physics and you
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have the things like
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um uh the wave particle Dynamics you
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know the physical the part and the Whey
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particles and you also have delayed
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choice and I don't know if you're
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familiar with that that was coming out
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about the same time it says what's
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interesting is the fact that
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Consciousness plays a major role in all
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of this and that's not just me playing a
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role in the universe it's all of us
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interconnected he saw that information
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was the key behind everything and of
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course whether you look at a
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god-consciousness or whether you look at
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just an evolved we'll say mind
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Consciousness there is something behind
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it the Mayans actually even look to the
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stars and they said
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there's something out there they called
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Spider Woman or rickshawkel Nook is what
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the Mayans actually called her and that
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she designed every single star in the
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Heavens to be where there she is or
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where they are and that's part of this
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Matrix of energy that is manifesting
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it's an amazing scenario if you start
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thinking about it we always thought
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again going back to that big bang
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everything just kind of flew apart and
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wherever it landed that was great and
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bone came in and said absolutely no way
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there's this implicant order there's
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this energy behind things that is
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placing things in the right
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informational relationship if I can add
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to that you know the with the science
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today with their Cosmic micro background
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radiation measurements they're even
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showing that many of the
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um the densities the pockets where the
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thing you know where stars and galaxies
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and so forth have developed seem to
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follow almost like a holographic
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mathematics and there's there is a
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structure to it that is not just random
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it's not just chaotic there's a
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structure to it and it kind of reminds
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me of
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um you know and and they say that that
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that background radiation is like a a
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snapshot if you will of what the
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variations of the densities and the
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bending of space and time that became
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the pockets of where planets and stars
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and so forth coagulated inside of uh
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it's you know it was it was there from
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the very beginning which indicates just
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what you're talking about that there was
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a pattern that was impressed upon the
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fabric of space-time itself which then
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governed where everything ultimately
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formed uh and it reminds me you know
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from an alchemical perspective it
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reminds me of almost like those those
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places where space-time has been to
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almost like a well or a valley it
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becomes like this cauldron and
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alchemical Cosmic cauldron where the
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particles and the light and you know
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everything kind of enters and and
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accumulates inside of which then allows
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it to form and then later down the line
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it becomes these Stars it becomes these
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you know solar systems these galaxies
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and so forth then there is this Cosmic
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web and this dance and from a
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metaphysical perspective also you know
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if we go to like the kabbalistic
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teachings they often talk about this
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um pattern of the tree of life somehow
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being a pattern that governs the
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creation of the universe that there was
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always a pattern there was an intention
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and a flow in terms of how creation
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ushered forth how the energies were
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emanated from that Source whether it was
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a big bang moment or whether it came out
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from a Multiverse to create this new
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universe that that there is an
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intentionality behind it let's take a
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pause from this fascinating conversation
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to enjoy a quick Consciousness break
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introduction to Kabbalah chants a
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healing meditation series for awakening
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the tree of life within
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each album in this 11 part series is
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specially tuned to musical frequencies
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soundscape and divine names that capture
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the essence of each sephira on the tree
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of life
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the music of these healing meditations
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is tuned to a 432 Hertz musical scale
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which is a pure frequency fundamental to
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the sacred geometry and Mathematics of
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the universe
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also combined with binaural B and
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isochronic brainwave entrainment
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the word Kabbalah means to receive so
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allow yourself to just receive during
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these meditations
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it is said that the ears are the gateway
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to the inner world of the Soul
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as you listen to these sacred tones and
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healing music we invite you to allow
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your soul to soar within the vast Realms
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of your true divine potential
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[Music]
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love
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[Music]
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thank you
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well bone was able to take the
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kabbalistic concept of the tree of life
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and turn it upside down to the roots of
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human consciousness where we as humans
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realize that we are a microcosm of the
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greater macrocosm in the intricate
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weavings that Desiree just spoke about
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with the Mayans basically that had a
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network of fractal geometries uh it's
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amazing that he was able to Encompass
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the past as well as the present and
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realize the Consciousness was The Matrix
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of evolution right and I just want to
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qualify once again the Hologram or
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holographic scenario he put out is
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because he felt every part was part of
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every part that's really the essence of
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the Hologram it's not the laser beam
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itself it's that every part is part of
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every part and so we do play a role and
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I think this is so interesting because
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the more and more we talk about the fact
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that there's this intelligence behind
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there that you know all this is ordered
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then what do we do here right
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I believe that we really do play a major
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role in events taking place you go back
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and I'm just going to drop down to earth
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for a minute go back to some of the
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Messiah and they say that you know if
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some things are going right on their
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Planet because uh where they are because
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of the climate or whatever it's their
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problem even though I I believe it's
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we're part of a greater universe in our
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position in the you know the Milky Way
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and the Milky Ways position and the
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larger universe is all playing a role
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but everything plays a role so I think
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that's so important to empower people to
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understand this but you know and there
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is this thing called delayed choice
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where you look at the dichotomy between
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the particle and the wave but and this
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is an experiment that wheeler had done
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where he was putting a particle through
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and sometimes it'll become a wave and
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sometimes it'll be stay a particle but
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if a person's looking at it it'll always
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be a particle and so you think well okay
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what happens if it goes through before I
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I think about about it before I before
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it even knows I'm going to look at it
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but it seems to know even in the future
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that you're going to look at it becomes
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a particle so this is just an amazing
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thing how conscious the universe is I
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don't think we can even imagine it
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because we're so limited to space and
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time and what's Happening Here what
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happened in the past we can't imagine
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the future but we've worked in in ways
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and in places like with remote viewing
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uh connected with people like Russell
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Target Stanford research and Hal put off
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and you go Swan and others that actually
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could see things into the future just a
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little bit not a lot not you know
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thousands of years or something like
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that but you know say six months nine
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months so you know why couldn't the
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particle also which is part of us also
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understand what we're going to do in the
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future even before we know what we're
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going to do right uh Target put off
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challenge the reductionistic Paradigm of
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science showing that there are things we
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don't understand
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and one of the greatest breakthroughs in
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the 20th century the latter part of
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which was the work of Stanford Research
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Institute was to show that non-locality
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is a reality we are growing up in a vast
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and Austin universe and our perceptual
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apparatus in unique ways is interwoven
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with Consciousness this is work that uh
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scientists physicists by the name of
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Dean great was able to put up when he
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wrote this book The entangled mind we
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are really rediscovering ourselves as
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part of a universal mind working on
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different frequencies
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so I think uh just you know for people
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to process the how profound this is uh
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the delayed you know choice experiments
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really show that future decisions affect
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past results and and it's really you
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know verifying that not only is
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entanglement for example which is a
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Quantum phenomenon not only is it not on
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local meaning no matter how far apart in
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space two entangled particles become
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they still instantaneously affect each
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other but it's also non-temporal meaning
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no matter how far apart in time they
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become they still instantaneously affect
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each other so the the fact that our
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future decisions can potentially affect
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our past and you know it's the key here
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is the choices that we make when we
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observe the assumptions that we make
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when we set up our you know for example
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when scientists set up our our
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experiment
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they're making certain assumptions are
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we going to assume that it's a particle
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are we going to assume that it's a wave
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and then we set up to observe according
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to our assumptions and then you know we
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get what we uh expect basically you know
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we're getting according to our
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assumptions or our biases uh so this
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when we tie this back to Consciousness
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this is like really asking us to check
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your assumptions right because
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assumptions can can often create a
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reality whether we're you know it's the
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reality we really want or not and you
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know be careful about our biases and
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expectations
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um and then realize that you know at a
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Quantum level time and space don't limit
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things they everything is here and now
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and so the choices we make now all the
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things we do now and and I like what you
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were saying to series it's you know that
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the Desiree there are
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um
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thoughts and what's going on inside of
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our mind
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affects our environment and you know
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when we look at the problems in the
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world today we see the environment is
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challenged you know there's climate
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change is is a really good example of
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this or the pollutions of the waters are
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a very good example of this a lot of
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this is the impact of human behavior and
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that is determined by human thought so
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if we want to change our environment and
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we want to you know resolve or or solve
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some of these issues that we're facing
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at a climate level or at any level of
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humanity we need to start by changing
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things within our our Consciousness so
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how would you add into that idea well
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certainly yeah everything we do affects
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everything around us and I don't think
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we even realize that that you know
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negative thoughts and thinkings attract
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negative things to ourselves it's an
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amazing phenomenon yes we can be living
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in an environment that's not positive
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you know but that doesn't mean we we
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need to flow with the negativity it
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means we need to change who we are and
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what we're doing I want to go back
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though to science for one minute because
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I know we'll be moving out of that topic
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but you know I just want to explain to
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some of your audience about non-locality
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because it also relates to what we're
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talking about so what scientists have
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done is they've taken particles and
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they've divided them so either whether
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it's photons or electrons and then
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they've moved those particles at a
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distance and they've done this in
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Switzerland and the Chinese have now
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done it to satellites and you know one
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part of the spin is always going to be
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up in the other part of the particle
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would always be down and so when they've
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changed the direction of the particle on
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Earth say for example with the Chinese
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in a satellite the other one faster than
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the speed of light actually shifts to
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the other direction so it knows what
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that other part of its particle was
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doing so that's what we call
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entanglement and non-locality those are
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the two realities that we've been able
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to prove so what does that mean to us
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well that means that we ourselves are
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able to affect everything around us very
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quickly faster even than the speed of
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light by putting thought forms out you
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know we did this years ago we worked
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with another uh we'll say scientists
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paraphysicist named Andrea boharch and
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we would do actual prayers for peace in
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parts of the world we still do that
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because we feel that really putting our
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energies there literally being there can
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make a difference we've seen this how
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did ingots
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or hello Hammond and SRI do remote
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viewing they have to remote viewed into
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the Kremlin for example Helen did that
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and she walked around the Kremlin it
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wasn't that she actually even moved her
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mind there she saw herself there she was
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literally physically there because just
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because we have a body doesn't mean our
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Consciousness cannot be like that other
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particle somewhere else even out in
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space Ingo Swan actually remote viewed
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Jupiter and he was accurated before NASA
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got there he was one of our colleagues
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in fact his art is on the book cover of
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and the suffering that Russell and I put
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together from our studies at Stanford
00:24:38
meester's Institute so what does it mean
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there's an overlay of Consciousness on
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everything
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and that
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humans are a natural
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cosmophysical reality
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we are embedded in Consciousness capital
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c
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and we're beginning to understand how
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that plays a role in the new science the
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new physics we are redefining the whole
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ontology of scientific reality what is
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scientific truth what is human nature
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are we multi-dimensional players list
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waking up and realizing this fantastic
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latent ability or is this Bible
00:25:13
speculation that will simply be part of
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let's we say more of the same of 20
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Century calculations maybe I can talk
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for one minute because I know you want
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to get into it to Dr Teresa but about
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multi-dimensional reality uh there's
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actually a group in Los Angeles I think
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it's called the quantum uh Gravity
00:25:34
Research Institute and they see that
00:25:36
even everything on this planet is from
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this other dimensional we'll say the
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fifth sixth seventh eighth dimensional
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where a reflection of our concretization
00:25:47
of what's in multi-dimensions and that
00:25:51
means that also everything here is part
00:25:54
of a multi-dimensional reality now super
00:25:56
strings as you know works with these
00:25:59
little vibrating realities and they'll
00:26:02
say The Fifth Dimension is like huddled
00:26:04
into this little nothingness but what if
00:26:06
the Fifth Dimension or the eighth
00:26:08
dimensioner will go for super strings
00:26:09
the 12th Dimension or tenths at 11 12
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depending on what theory you're looking
00:26:14
at
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um actually uh is the bigger reality and
00:26:18
that ours is one is like the line of
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two-dimensional reality only worth three
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dimensions I believe that that's what
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it's all about that and we ourselves our
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Consciousness and this is the work we
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did with uh Elizabeth rousher could
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function even in the fifth sixth seventh
00:26:36
and eighth Dimension and maybe even now
00:26:38
right now we're functioning at least
00:26:40
mentally in The Fifth Dimension that's
00:26:42
how we can be you know projecting our
00:26:45
mind to another place on the planet I
00:26:47
don't even like the word projecting
00:26:48
because that's not a real term we can be
00:26:50
in another place in the planet right now
00:26:52
because it it's in the fifth sixth
00:26:54
seventh and eighth Dimension we like
00:26:55
eighth because we're in four dimensions
00:26:57
right now uh the fourth being time third
00:26:59
being space and then we have the
00:27:01
imaginary four spaces but we call it
00:27:04
imaginary but what happens if they're
00:27:06
real actually numbers what if what if
00:27:09
those imaginary dimensions are more the
00:27:11
spiritual dimensions for example you
00:27:13
have a physical axes in your imaginary
00:27:16
axes which are maybe the realm of the
00:27:19
metaphysical or the spiritual and you
00:27:22
know when it comes to our
00:27:24
multi-dimensionality I think one key
00:27:27
when it comes to helping people expand
00:27:29
their Consciousness is to just realize
00:27:32
that they are multi-dimensional just to
00:27:34
meditate upon this idea of their
00:27:37
multi-dimensionality and that you know
00:27:40
as we start connecting into those higher
00:27:42
Dimensions uh or higher aspects of the
00:27:45
self that we are you know in our in our
00:27:49
mind in our Consciousness in our spirit
00:27:51
if you will we are infinite which is why
00:27:54
you know when something is remote viewed
00:27:57
whether it's Jupiter or you know
00:27:59
somewhere else on the planet we're not
00:28:01
going anywhere we're already there
00:28:03
because we're infinite in our size and
00:28:06
we are all one and this is where is
00:28:08
where if we can just tie it back in
00:28:10
really quickly to David Baum and the
00:28:12
implicit order he said you know when you
00:28:15
look at for example the two particles
00:28:17
that are separated
00:28:19
and yet they're entangled well if we if
00:28:22
we see it from an implicit order where
00:28:24
there's they're actually one thing
00:28:25
they're whole and they're connected so
00:28:27
they're not separate and we are all one
00:28:30
as well so when we start to view
00:28:33
ourselves as part of a greater higher
00:28:36
dimensional reality where things unite
00:28:39
this can bring us more and more to this
00:28:42
realization of our Oneness of our unity
00:28:46
and this Unity Consciousness you know
00:28:50
this recognition of our integrated
00:28:53
um you know that we are we are not
00:28:56
separate that we are intimately
00:28:59
connected with everything and everyone
00:29:02
and the whole universe and when we can
00:29:05
shift that Unity Consciousness that I
00:29:07
think really gets us to that place that
00:29:10
we want to be for creating that leap and
00:29:12
Collective consciousness
00:29:14
join us again as we continue to dive
00:29:17
deeper into this fascinating
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