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- I won the championship
in Brazil 2005 and six,.
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and I hardly remember
anything from those afternoons
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and nights, which is sad.
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- [Jake] This week on "High Performance,"
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(race car engine buzzing)
we welcome Fernando Alonso.
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- When I got to Formula One,
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Michael Schumacher was
dominating the sport,
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but I never thought that I
was slower than him in a way.
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Maybe it was just a kamikaze
approach to Formula One
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and to my start of my career,
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but, you know, I never doubt
of having the same car.
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Maybe I could challenge him.
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- Just give us a small bit of insight into
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what's going on in your mind.
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Your final thoughts as
you're closing the visor,
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what's the process at that point?
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- It's just executing the race as a robot.
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- What remains the biggest
disappointment that you used
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as fuel at the time to push you forward?
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- Winning a championship with Ferrari,
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that will be probably the
first thing that I choose
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if I can go back in time.
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2010, 2012, we were winning few laps
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to winning a championship.
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It is extremely painful
when you remove the helmet
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and you are not on the podium
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and you see others celebrating
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and you know, it is something
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that you cannot digest
sometimes for few hours.
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- What is the hidden
cost of your achievements
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of living the life that you live?
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Fernando, thank you very
much for joining us.
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- Thank you.
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- So when I say high performance,
what do you think of?
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- I think many things.
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First of all, Formula One
because it's the expression
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of high performance in motorsport,
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but I don't know, high performance,
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for me, it's maybe delivering
higher than expectations
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and having that extra
something on everything you do.
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And that probably for me
means high performance.
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- You see everyone dreams
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of delivering a little bit
extra, a little bit more.
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How do you go about finding
that little bit extra?
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- Well, I think we all try to
give that little bit extra.
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As you said, it's something
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that we all try to achieve,
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but it's a little bit relative
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and especially in a sport,
you have the comparation
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with your main competitors.
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So it's doing that little
extra compared to them
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and finding the best version of yourself,
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which is an unlimited probably search
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because every day, there is something
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that you can learn and you can improve.
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So it is a difficult
task, but it's something
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that you pursue in life
and in sport as well.
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- And is that not tiring?
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You're now 41 and you've been pursuing
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that little extra something all your life.
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- Not really, not really,
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because I think even if you are
not in a professional sport,
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you will start pursuing
something in your personal life
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or you will try to achieve different goals
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in different businesses
or different things
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that you will may start in your life
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after your motorsport career.
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So I think it's a way of living in a way,
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but it's something that is not tiring.
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It's just pure motivation, I
think to wake up every morning
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and do a little bit extra.
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- So Fernando, you started
your driving career
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at the tender age of three.
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- Yeah.
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- Tell us a little bit about your family,
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because I'm interested of
your family's motivation
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to allow you to get behind
the wheel of a go-kart
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at such a young age.
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- Yeah, my first race
was at the age of three,
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which at the moment right now
is just not legal anymore.
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I think the driver license
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for go-kart, they start at eight now.
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So that's good to don't
have, you know, kids
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at three years old behind a wheel.
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But back then, my father was
a go-kart driver, just driving
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around my region, never
on a national level
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or not international for sure.
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And yeah, more for fun than anything else.
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Created a small go-kart
handmade for my sister
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that is five years older than
me so my sister was eight.
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My sister didn't like the
go-kart on that first couple
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of days that my father tried.
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And then, yeah, eventually
he put me in the go-kart
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and, you know, I like it.
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And yeah, as I said, I did my first race
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at the age of three.
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It was a street circuit.
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I don't remember anything of
course, but I have the videos
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and the photos of that day.
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And I think the race was 15
laps and I did two of them.
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So I got lap at 13 times
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and in 15.
(Damian laughs)
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But yeah, they told me
that I won the race,
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so I was happy after all and
yeah, that's how it started.
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- But I'm interested in
their perception of risk
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and what that taught you,
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because as you say, the
rules have changed now
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when you have to be eight at least
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to get behind the wheel of a car.
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So can you remember
anything around the advice
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that they gave you?
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- Not really.
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And I think the speed of
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that go-kart obviously was
like a five or six kph.
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You could walk alongside the go-kart
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so it was not fast at all.
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and the risk maybe for
my parents were not,
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it was not a risky thing to do.
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But yeah, I think it's something
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that especially families in motorsport,
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they have to deal with it.
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They have to have a
different perception of risk
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because, you know, every time we jump
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on a racing car, you
know, anything can happen.
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You know, now the cars are very safe.
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The circuits are very safe as well.
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We are in good hands with our teams.
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The FIA, everyone is trying to protect us.
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But yeah, anything can happen.
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So I think if I put in
the shoes of my parents
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or anyone that is raising for sure,
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there is this risk factor
that you have to know how
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to deal with it.
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- So what did your parents
give you when you decided
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to make this something
you wanted to pursue?
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I mean, I love the fact
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that you didn't come
from a billionaire family
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with millions of pounds worth of backing
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from the very start, you
know, really humble origins,
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but your parents, like, they
must have done something,
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this competitive spirit, this will to win,
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even just the emotional
confidence they gave you
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to go out and try your best.
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- Yeah, it is a very interesting question
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because I spoke many times with them,
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with my parents and with
my family in general
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because they are not at all competitive.
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So I don't know how, you know,
I can be that competitive
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in everything I do.
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They still remember when we
were playing, you know, games
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at home or cards or
anything at home, you know,
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I was so competitive and
I was so upset with them.
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I could maybe not talk
to them for full one day
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if I was not winning,
all these kind of things.
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And they never understood
why, you know, I was like that
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because no one in the family,
you know, had this approach.
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So yeah, it's still unknown at the moment.
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- So what did they say
when you asked them, like,
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"How did this happen?"
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What's their answer?
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- Well, I think it was more,
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for them, it was more a fun
thing to do on the weekends.
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Obviously they had to
work on the weekdays.
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My mother on a shopping
mall, just selling perfumes
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and my father on a explosive
company just doing explosive
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for the mines in my region.
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So the weekends was kind of fun
weekend with other families.
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This motorsport enthusiasm
with the kids driving go-karts,
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but with no expectations at all
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that that could become one
day a professional thing.
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So I don't know, always started like this.
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I won the Spanish championship in '94
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and then one Italian mechanic saw me there
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in the Spanish championship
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and said, "You have to come to Italy
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and race in European Championships
and World Championships."
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And my father answered,
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"We can't afford to travel to Italy,"
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and those kind of things.
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So they said, "Okay, I
will speak with the factory
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and they can help you."
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So that is how I started.
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- So can I go back though and ask?
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Is there a particular
moment that you remember
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that you had to win?
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That that competitive
fire was inside of you?
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- From what I remember, it was
like a Spanish championship,
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I think back in '97.
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I won the Karting World
Championship in '96.
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And then I went to...
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And I stopped racing in
Spain for a few years.
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So I went back in Spain for the
Spanish championship in '97.
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And that was the first time
that I felt the pressure
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of winning or the need of winning
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because, you know, everyone expected that
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if you won the World Championship,
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how you will not win
the Spanish championship
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the following year.
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And we were not that fast that weekend
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and you know, I remember
to be a little bit tense
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or nervous before that start, you know,
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because I had to win that day.
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Eventually I did.
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But probably is my first memory
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of, "Okay, now I need to deliver.
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You know, everyone is
expecting a result from me."
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- So would you explain
a little bit then about
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how you manage that expectation
and how you channeled it,
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what your thoughts were,
how you approached it?
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- Well, it is something that
is very individual for me.
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When I have this pressure or when I feel
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that I have to deliver high expectations,
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I try to calm myself.
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I normally have a lot of self-confidence.
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I think that's very important
to have confidence on
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what you are doing, on
what you are capable of.
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That releases a little bit of pressure
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and you are able to over deliver
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if you have that confidence on yourself.
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But then, I'm a very
technical person as well
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so I want to know everything
about what I'm doing.
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When I'm not in my environment
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or in my comfort place, I
get more stress for sure.
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So one way to be calm before a race
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or whatever, is to know
everything about the strategy,
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everything about the tires,
hearing from the engineers,
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from the strategists, 2, 3, 4 times,
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what is the plan, you know?
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So that's my approach to
the race to be confident
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on what we are doing.
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Then maybe it doesn't work,
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but it's not coming from myself
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or whatever that I'm in doubt.
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But I think this is a
very individual thing,
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how we approach these moments.
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- But it sounds like your
approach is to make sure
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that when the visor goes down
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and the lights go out,
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you feel like you have done
absolutely everything possible
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to give your best in that race.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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That could be a good way to to explain it,
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but probably not only motor racing.
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It's a way of living as well.
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So when I'm at home relaxing
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and you know, I made the plan for the day
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or I go to the gym or there
is a tennis match or whatever,
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I treat that tennis match
like a Formula One Grand Prix.
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So I have to know everything
about with who I will play.
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If he's too strong, maybe I
skip that day at the tennis
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because I hate losing. (laughs)
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If he's too weak, maybe, you
know, I maybe do extra sport
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before because that tennis
match will not require too much
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of, you know, activity from myself.
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And these kind of things,
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so every day is very well
organized in my head.
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- So when do you begin planning
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then for, say you've got a rest day,
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when do you begin planning
to maximize that rest day?
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- Well, in advance, yes, I know
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and by now at 41 years
old, I know my body.
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I know my head, I know everything
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that I need to perform on my job.
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So when it becomes a long trip
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or a busy week of events
or marketing or whatever,
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I know that I will need
extra days of rest.
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So I plan everything well in advance.
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And I try to also travel
as efficient as possible
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with the calendar that we have now.
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So, you know, you learn from
your mistakes in the past
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and your previous years and experiences.
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- So this podcast has just had
50 million downloads, right?
00:14:03
And they're downloads from
people from all walks of life.
00:14:05
Young people, older people,
professionals, entrepreneurs,
00:14:08
sports people, leaders,
employees, employers,
00:14:12
everything you can imagine.
00:14:13
And I think what we can't do is sit here
00:14:15
and pretend that like you are a superhero,
00:14:17
where you plan everything,
you execute, you deliver,
00:14:20
and you win because that's
not real life, right?
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- Sure.
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- Can we have a really honest
conversation about self-doubt?
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Because I think when you're
doing well in karting
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and you're winning a lot
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and you're moving through the ranks
00:14:32
like your self-confidence grows.
00:14:35
Suddenly you end up in Formula One,
00:14:37
where you are up against the
very best people in the world.
00:14:39
So you have to create
techniques to deal with fear
00:14:44
or self-doubt or seeing others
that might have different
00:14:47
or better skills than you.
00:14:49
What is your relationship
like with self-doubt?
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- Not much.
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- [Jake] True.
00:15:01
- Yeah.
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I mean I know my limitations
00:15:05
but as I said before,
knowing my limitations,
00:15:08
I try to avoid those things, you know?
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- Yeah. So what are they then?
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Like what would you say,
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even at this age, are your limitations?
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- I mean many things.
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I don't know how to cook.
00:15:20
I don't know how to play golf.
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I don't know, you know,
there are many things
00:15:23
that I see people around me that they do,
00:15:25
and I try to avoid those things.
00:15:28
I skip those things because
I know that I'm not good at,
00:15:31
and I don't want to
compare myself against them
00:15:33
because they are better.
00:15:34
One day if I train or if one
day I do a cooking course
00:15:38
or whatever, then maybe
I cook for someone else
00:15:40
or something like that.
00:15:42
So I'm just doing let's say
what I know that I can do
00:15:47
and on that specific thing,
I don't have much self-doubt
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or I don't have many problems.
00:15:56
It's true that you arrive to
Formula One and you see...
00:16:00
When I got to Formula One,
00:16:00
Michael Schumacher was
dominating the sport,
00:16:02
but I never thought that I
was slower than him in a way.
00:16:06
Maybe it was just a kamikaze
approach to Formula One
00:16:10
and to my start of my career.
00:16:11
But, you know, I never doubt
of having the same car.
00:16:16
Maybe I could challenge him one day.
00:16:17
So that's how all my career went so far.
00:16:23
- So there's an interesting
observation here
00:16:26
that you often look at who's
the best in your field,
00:16:30
whether it's a Michelin star chef,
00:16:32
whether it's Michael
Schumacher in Formula One.
00:16:36
How does comparison work for you then?
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- I don't know.
00:16:46
As I said, even when I
stopped Formula One in 2018,.
00:16:50
I remember I have to try
different things in Motorsport
00:16:56
because my head was just
telling me that I have
00:16:59
to go a little bit out of my
comfort zone in Formula One.
00:17:03
I mean, for many years,
I was a little bit tiring
00:17:06
of traveling, tiring of, yeah,
not having the possibility
00:17:10
of win anymore.
00:17:11
And the Indy 500, the 24 Hour
Le Mans, the Dakar Rally,
00:17:16
they were all the
disciplines in motorsport
00:17:19
that I thought they were appealing
00:17:20
and in a way, self rewarding
00:17:25
because I never considered
myself a Formula one driver.
00:17:29
I just considered myself
a driver, you know,
00:17:32
in any kind of motorsport.
00:17:33
It's not just a specific
Formula One driving style.
00:17:36
So by attempting those, I
felt that I had to learn a lot
00:17:41
of things from the beginning.
00:17:43
So I went to the Le Mans 24 hour
00:17:45
and I had very experienced
teammates alongside me,
00:17:50
and I have to learn a lot from them,
00:17:52
but not publicly.
00:17:57
I have to learn, you know,
just private between them
00:18:02
and myself because everyone expected
00:18:04
that a Formula One
driver will be very fast
00:18:05
in any other car
00:18:07
but I was just not knowing
all those techniques.
00:18:10
Same with Dakar Rally.
00:18:11
Imagine from Formula One to
Saudi with a Dakar rally car.
00:18:18
It cannot be more opposite
driving styles with the left foot
00:18:21
and in the brake all the time,
all these kind of things.
00:18:24
So I have to do a lot of tests.
00:18:25
I have to learn a lot but
never doubting that I could be
00:18:30
as good as the best one in
each of the disciplines.
00:18:34
And that was just a test for me.
00:18:37
But, you know, a test that it
was rewarding and I was happy.
00:18:43
- So did you choose
those for the experience
00:18:45
or did you choose them
00:18:46
because you felt you could
be successful in them?
00:18:51
- Because I was thinking
that I could succeed, yes
00:18:54
on those categories and
because I think in motorsport,
00:19:00
there were not precedence
of those kind of challenges.
00:19:03
Maybe in the past, in the
sixties or the seventies,
00:19:06
there were Formula One drivers
00:19:08
that they were driving different cars
00:19:09
and attempting Le Mans
and things like that.
00:19:12
But now in the modern motorsport,
you develop certain skills
00:19:17
from a very young age to drive
in that specific discipline.
00:19:21
So if you are here in Europe
00:19:24
and you are interested in Formula One,
00:19:26
you're starting go-karts
00:19:27
and then Formula 4, Formula 3, Formula 2,
00:19:29
Formula One eventually,
00:19:31
which are all the same
techniques and circuits
00:19:34
and these kind of things.
00:19:36
If you are an American boy,
00:19:39
you know, you maybe develop
your skills in oval racing,
00:19:42
in dirt racing and these kind of things.
00:19:44
So it's very difficult at
the age of 30 or 25 or 35
00:19:48
to move, you know, to a new
discipline and be as quick
00:19:52
as them because they just
born into that environment.
00:19:56
So that was something that
it was appealing on my head,
00:20:01
and maybe I didn't need
that, but it was just a kind
00:20:04
of let's do something that
it could be a legacy also
00:20:08
for the future.
00:20:09
Because in a way, a driver
that cannot succeed now
00:20:14
and get to Formula One,
they cannot be frustrated
00:20:17
because they didn't make it.
00:20:18
They're just phenomenal drivers
00:20:20
that they will find, you know, their way
00:20:22
in different disciplines
00:20:23
and they still fulfill, you
know, a little bit their dreams.
00:20:28
- So what was the biggest thing
you learned about yourself
00:20:30
then when you went into
those other disciplines?
00:20:35
- That I still able to learn
00:20:39
and Formula One didn't block my senses
00:20:44
of learning things, you know,
and also the humble approach
00:20:50
to many things, which in
Formula One is very easy
00:20:52
to lose as well, because
we live in this bubble
00:20:55
that everything is good for us.
00:20:57
Everyone is taking care of us.
00:20:59
We travel in the last day, we do our job,
00:21:03
we go back home, and we
have all the privileges.
00:21:06
And then when you go in Dakar
00:21:08
and you know, you are
two weeks in the middle
00:21:10
of nothing on a tent,
obviously you are not anymore
00:21:15
in a five star hotel or you
don't have all the privilege
00:21:18
and you still need to change,
you know, your suspension,
00:21:21
your tires and cleaning your windscreen.
00:21:23
- I loved the images of you on your knees
00:21:26
at two o'clock in the morning banging away
00:21:28
at the suspension rods and stuff.
00:21:30
Why is being humble important?
00:21:33
- I think because my family
00:21:36
and coming back to my family,
this is probably the first
00:21:39
and only advice they
gave me always, you know,
00:21:42
to stay humble, to stay who
we were always in our family
00:21:47
and taking all the advantages
00:21:50
that this life can bring
us, you know, economically
00:21:53
and the status and everything
that, you know, is part
00:21:56
of Formula One circus as well.
00:21:58
But from time to time
also, I go back to Spain.
00:22:02
I spend one week with my family
00:22:05
and that week is kind
of a reset, you know,
00:22:09
of, you know, the last two weeks
00:22:10
that was an unreal life, you
know, and this was a bubble.
00:22:13
But now we go back to the base
00:22:16
and you know, we go to the
supermarket, we see friends,
00:22:19
we just chat, we play cards, whatever.
00:22:22
This is the life that
I will live, you know,
00:22:26
for the next 40 or 50 years of my life
00:22:29
and the life also that I want to live
00:22:31
in the next 40 or 50 years.
00:22:34
- So would you describe to us
then, Fernando, a little bit
00:22:37
around that inner circle,
those people that do reset you?
00:22:41
What are the kind of
characteristics and values
00:22:44
that they hold dear that
seem to resonate with you?
00:22:48
- I think they have this
humble approach of everything.
00:22:52
Yes, but also they have high discipline
00:22:54
on everything they do because they had to,
00:22:58
in the past, you know, to get their jobs,
00:23:00
to finish the universities,
to be on time on a interview
00:23:06
for a job.
00:23:08
You know, they have to
work hard for their things.
00:23:11
So that discipline, that
self-confidence as well,
00:23:16
which I think they have in their things,
00:23:21
you know, in their lives.
00:23:25
They have this confidence
of what they're doing.
00:23:32
Yeah, I think that the values
00:23:33
that we all grew up in our families,
00:23:36
that sometimes in professional
sport you can lose them
00:23:39
because as I said, you are
just living a life on a speed
00:23:44
that is unreal.
00:23:46
You know, because we go from one place
00:23:47
to the next within 24 hours.
00:23:50
We do seven or eight different
things on a single day.
00:23:54
So at the end of the day,
driving the car is the least time
00:23:59
of the day.
00:24:01
We are one hour and a
half sitting in the car
00:24:02
but then we have 14 or 15
hours of different activities,
00:24:07
acting, photo shooting, meeting
prime ministers, you know,
00:24:13
things that we are not
able to deal sometimes.
00:24:17
And at the age we get to Formula One
00:24:19
or do professional sports and these kind
00:24:22
of things are just dragging
you a lot of energy.
00:24:25
- And can you recount an incident
00:24:27
that your family have ever
had, where they've had
00:24:31
to give you feedback where they feel
00:24:33
that maybe your head has been distracted
00:24:36
by all these amazing experiences?
00:24:40
- I'm sure, yes.
00:24:42
I don't remember maybe
specifically one now,
00:24:44
but from time to time, they
are very honest with things
00:24:50
that you may think or
comments that you say
00:24:51
or you know, things that
00:24:54
for them they are not that important.
00:24:59
And you know, or even
sometimes I remember they had
00:25:02
to deal with a lot of media
attention, even at the front
00:25:08
of the door of their house
00:25:10
or paparazzi when we go summer
together with my parents
00:25:14
or whatever, these kind of things
00:25:15
that I may get the stress as well
00:25:19
because I don't want
that they get disturbed
00:25:23
by all these things.
00:25:25
But, you know, from time
to time, they tell me,
00:25:26
"Hey, this is not a problem.
00:25:28
You know, they're taking a picture.
00:25:30
You know, we are just sitting
here having good time.
00:25:34
So if they are happy with that picture,
00:25:36
you know, it's their
life and it's their job."
00:25:37
And maybe sometimes I don't
see it that way, you know,
00:25:39
because it's like they are
stealing, you know, our privacy
00:25:44
and our family time.
00:25:46
But I understand what
they're saying as well
00:25:48
because it's like, okay, this is life
00:25:50
and Fernando, calm down, you know,
00:25:52
you cannot do, you
cannot change the world,
00:25:54
you cannot make justice on on everything
00:25:57
that you see in our days.
00:25:58
You know, there are
things that are like this
00:26:00
and you have to live happy with those.
00:26:03
- But is there a piece of
wisdom or a piece of advice
00:26:06
that your parents have given you
00:26:08
that you will sometimes remind yourself of
00:26:11
when you're in the
middle of the whirlwind?
00:26:14
- Yeah, sometimes I think they have
00:26:16
because they are less, let's
say, less competitive than
00:26:19
what I am.
00:26:21
They are often, you
know, happy with anything
00:26:25
that happens on a race
weekend or in my life
00:26:29
or whatever problems that I have.
00:26:32
They normally are a good balance for me
00:26:36
because for them it's, oh, I
feel that it's less important.
00:26:39
So when I get stressed
about, you know, whatever,
00:26:41
a small thing about the race
00:26:43
or about losing two points
because we did this mistake
00:26:47
or it happened that thing or
that incident or whatever,
00:26:51
I see from them and I hear from them
00:26:53
that this is very good, still very good.
00:26:57
And I remember the first ever
race in Formula One, my debut
00:27:02
in 2001 with Minardi
that I called my father
00:27:07
on Sunday morning of the race
00:27:10
and I said, "Okay, it's
two hours to the race.
00:27:11
So yeah, let's see how it goes.
00:27:13
We start with the soft tires
00:27:15
and then we will stop in
Lap 15 for the refueling."
00:27:18
Because back then it was the
refueling in Formula One.
00:27:21
And he said, "Okay,
you know, I don't care.
00:27:24
Whatever the strategies and
the team thinks is the best
00:27:29
for sure is the best.
00:27:30
Try to enjoy because maybe
it's your last race."
00:27:34
And I said, "What do you mean?"
00:27:36
And he said, "We never know.
00:27:37
You know, this is your first race,
00:27:38
maybe you are not delivering
or you are not quick enough
00:27:41
or the team is not happy
with you at the end
00:27:44
of the race or whatever.
00:27:44
And then you will always be able to say
00:27:46
that you raced one Formula One Grand Prix.
00:27:49
You know, you are a Grand Prix driver."
00:27:53
And so that the kind of
approach that my family has
00:27:56
that sometimes for me is very valuable
00:27:58
and very helpful when I get the stress.
00:28:01
And for them, everything is just a gift.
00:28:05
It's just an extra and this is very good.
00:28:08
- I think that's really
interesting actually.
00:28:09
And probably still is useful now, right?
00:28:11
Even after all these years.
- Exactly.
00:28:13
- Can I talk about your
mindset of exploration?
00:28:17
'cause you talked about, you
know, leaving Formula One
00:28:19
to explore other areas.
00:28:20
I think also it allowed you probably
00:28:22
to see Formula One through
a completely different lens
00:28:25
that you'd seen it through,
00:28:26
for, you know, the previous 20 odd years.
00:28:29
So when you stepped away from Formula One
00:28:32
and suddenly overnight you're
no longer Fernando Alonso,
00:28:34
Formula One driver, you're
former Formula One driver,
00:28:37
and you no doubt watched the sport,
00:28:40
what did you learn that
you simply couldn't see
00:28:42
when you were in it?
00:28:44
- I saw a lot of things.
00:28:47
First was the love
00:28:50
that the people had towards
my career and my job.
00:28:54
Because when I stopped in
2018, I was tired of traveling
00:28:58
and all the things around Formula One.
00:29:00
And as I said, not being able
to compete for high things,
00:29:04
but I don't know, I
didn't have any perception
00:29:08
or anything that maybe people
thought about the sport
00:29:12
or myself in general.
00:29:13
But when I stop, the only
thing that I receive every time
00:29:18
that I was meeting people or any fan
00:29:20
or yeah, people at the
airport or in the hotels
00:29:23
or whatever it was,
00:29:25
"You need to come back.
00:29:26
You need to come back."
00:29:27
You know, this kind of thing,
00:29:27
so the people, it was a
surprise that they loved
00:29:31
what we were doing, you know,
00:29:34
because for me, the last
few years before I stopped,
00:29:37
it was like, you know, we
are nearly anonymous here.
00:29:40
You know, no one is seeing us
00:29:44
and the sport was not
maybe great as it is now
00:29:47
with all this "Drive
to Survive" on Netflix
00:29:49
and all these things.
00:29:50
So I thought that it
was much less interest,
00:29:53
but I was surprised
00:29:56
of how much love I received from people.
00:30:00
And then, yeah, I saw Formula One,
00:30:04
which is in Motorsport, very different
00:30:08
than other categories.
00:30:09
Much more selfish, much more,
yeah, glamorous in a way,
00:30:15
but fake in another way.
00:30:18
I think it was more Pure
Motorsport, Le Mans or Indy
00:30:23
or Dakar, for sure.
00:30:27
But yeah, Formula One had this appeal,
00:30:29
you know, the people want
to attend to the races,
00:30:33
wanted to watch on TV.
00:30:35
I was watching also on
TV the Formula One races.
00:30:38
I appreciate a little
bit more all the stuff
00:30:41
that as a driver I didn't like before.
00:30:44
So the national anthem, the
parade lap, having a little bit
00:30:50
more access to the media and the cameras,
00:30:53
which when you are a driver,
you hate those moments,
00:30:56
but when I was just in my living room,
00:30:59
I was missing those moments.
00:31:00
And if one or two drivers
were a little bit more smiley
00:31:05
or a little bit more accessible,
00:31:07
I think it was appreciated from home.
00:31:11
So when I came back to the
sport, I think I took a step
00:31:16
more relaxed into those things
00:31:18
and I was a bit more, or I
took care of it bit more.
00:31:23
I'm taking care of it a
bit more of fans and TV
00:31:26
and these kind of things
00:31:27
because I understand the importance of it.
00:31:29
And that was able only
because I was two years out
00:31:34
of Formula One.
00:31:35
- And what about for you personally then?
00:31:36
Because we speak to loads
of former sports people
00:31:39
who say, "I didn't take one moment
00:31:41
to enjoy my career because I
was too focused on winning."
00:31:44
- Same. (laughs)
00:31:47
Same, I regret that,
00:31:48
I regret that.
00:31:51
When I won the two
championships back in Renault,
00:31:54
my Ferrari time.
00:31:55
I mean, it was good.
00:31:57
But you are so focused on the next race,
00:31:59
on the next weekend.
00:32:01
You finish one race, you may win the race
00:32:03
and you go to the airport
00:32:04
and when you are in the
plane, you're thinking
00:32:07
about next weekend.
00:32:09
So you land at home
00:32:12
and you text your engineer,
00:32:14
"You know, we need to
test software at the rear
00:32:15
because, you know, the
traction was very bad
00:32:17
in this race, you know,
at the end of the race,"
00:32:19
these kind of things.
00:32:20
And yeah, I think with
age and now at this point
00:32:26
of my career, it is like
the podiums of this year,
00:32:28
it seems that when I
re-watch the race on TV,
00:32:31
I seem the happiest in the podium
00:32:33
and I was third and two times second.
00:32:37
But it's because I'm able
00:32:39
to enjoy more those kind of moments
00:32:42
and yeah, celebrating
every weekend is part
00:32:47
of my thing now.
00:32:49
- Did you think before
you had that time out
00:32:50
and before you had this new approach
00:32:52
that you could either
enjoy it or be successful?
00:32:56
Not both.
00:32:57
And now maybe you realize
that actually you can.
00:33:00
- Yeah, I had that feeling
00:33:02
and that if I was enjoying too much,
00:33:04
it was like I was not professional
00:33:06
or I was not wanting that success.
00:33:12
But yeah, you realize with
time and with maturity
00:33:17
that you can do both things
00:33:19
and you can work hard, you
can be very professional,
00:33:23
but at the same time you
have to give back something
00:33:26
to the people that worked
for you and the people
00:33:28
that are supporting you.
00:33:30
You know, if it's your
team or your marketing guys
00:33:34
or your media or just the
fans on the grand stands,
00:33:38
you know, they are there for you
00:33:40
and you need to give something back.
00:33:43
- So can I ask you then
around being in the cockpit,
00:33:47
because speaking to some
of your colleagues here,
00:33:51
they say that you have this
remarkable ability to be able
00:33:53
to spot details in the race,
not just related to your car,
00:33:58
but what rivals are doing or
what else is going on there.
00:34:01
And I'm interested in understanding
how do you develop that
00:34:05
ability to see details?
00:34:07
Do you see patterns or are
you looking for certain tells?
00:34:12
- I think it links a little
bit with the preparation
00:34:16
and the way that I approach things
00:34:18
and races, you know, the level of detail
00:34:20
that I need to be calm before the race.
00:34:23
Asking, you know, five
times about the strategy
00:34:26
and possible scenarios.
00:34:28
What if I lose one place at the start,
00:34:32
how this will transform our strategy.
00:34:35
What if I gain one place at the start,
00:34:37
we will stop one lap
before, one lap later,
00:34:40
which tires will be
good to have on the car
00:34:43
in that scenario, in the other scenario.
00:34:46
Because I have that quantity
of information before the race,
00:34:51
when I see that one car,
you know, had a bad stop,
00:34:55
I immediately go back to
what we saw in the morning
00:34:58
and that car, having that bad stop
00:35:01
and losing a little bit of time will maybe
00:35:03
give us the opportunity to
maybe do extra three laps
00:35:07
with this tire because
we are not under pressure
00:35:10
or there are no threats
from behind or whatever.
00:35:11
So maybe I comment that on the radio
00:35:14
and they're surprised like how, you know,
00:35:17
Fernando can, after a bad
Ferrari pit stop think
00:35:20
that we can extend three
laps our next stop.
00:35:23
It's not that I realize there
00:35:26
and I process all that information is
00:35:28
that the information was inside
already from Sunday morning
00:35:32
when we review that
strategy and possibilities.
00:35:36
And because it's a
communication between the team
00:35:39
and me, we know that we are
talking in the same page.
00:35:43
So it's not that they didn't know that
00:35:45
and they are surprised and my
suggestion is going forward.
00:35:49
Actually it was their suggestion
and it was their strategy
00:35:53
and it was their information.
00:35:54
I'm just remembering what
we saw a few hours ago.
00:35:58
- And have you at any time in 22 years
00:36:01
of doing this job ever
become lazy or complacent
00:36:05
and gone into a race without
that level of detail?
00:36:10
- No.
00:36:12
I could be a little bit lazy
or not lack of motivation,
00:36:18
but yeah, a little bit, not fully on it.
00:36:24
Maybe during the week of
the race, maybe the training
00:36:29
or the preparation.
00:36:32
Sometimes we receive a document
on the week before the race
00:36:35
about the circuit changes,
about all these things,
00:36:37
maybe I didn't read it in
detail or something like that
00:36:40
because I was not, yeah, really
motivated to that weekend.
00:36:45
But always that change
00:36:48
when I start a free practice on Friday.
00:36:50
When I start a free practice on Friday
00:36:52
and you see yourself 12,
you want to be in 10th
00:36:55
because you think that
that's maybe possible.
00:36:57
If you are seventh,
00:36:58
okay, you know, the P5
did a mega lap today.
00:37:02
He maybe don't repeat that lap tomorrow.
00:37:05
We can be top five.
00:37:06
So very easily, you get
motivated during the weekend.
00:37:10
And so by Sunday, when I close the visor
00:37:12
and the race starts, I've
been always a hundred ready.
00:37:17
- Can you just give us a
small bit of insight into
00:37:20
what's going on in your
mind, your final thoughts
00:37:22
as you're closing the visor,
as you've done the parade lap,
00:37:26
as you're pulling up on the grid,
00:37:27
what's the process at that point?
00:37:30
- It is just executing the
race as a robot, basically.
00:37:36
- [Jake] As a robot. No emotion?
00:37:37
- No emotion.
00:37:39
And just there is only one way
00:37:43
to see the checkered flag faster
than any other possibility.
00:37:50
Then drive as efficient
as possible, taking care
00:37:53
of the tires, the battery.
00:37:55
We have very complex
hybrid engines on the cars
00:37:59
and these kind of things.
00:38:00
So when I closed the visor,
I remember everything
00:38:04
that we spoke on Sunday
morning with the team,
00:38:07
with each of the areas
that are important in terms
00:38:10
of performance, the engine,
the tires, aerodynamics,
00:38:13
the strategy and just, I try to deliver
00:38:19
what they told me that
is the most efficient way
00:38:23
to see the checkered flag.
00:38:24
So they did their part,
00:38:27
they studied the strategy, the simulations
00:38:30
and all the tools we have
run millions of possibilities
00:38:34
and scenarios and we
chose one, we pick up one
00:38:38
that will be the fastest for us.
00:38:40
So I take like that
responsibility to deliver that job
00:38:45
and as the last chain in the team.
00:38:49
And yeah, I try to have no emotions.
00:38:53
Said that, you know, when you are racing
00:38:55
there is this high adrenaline,
00:38:57
there are overtaking,
00:38:59
there are things they don't go as planned
00:39:02
and in that moment, obviously,
you are very emotional
00:39:06
and you are at 180
heartbeat on your adrenaline
00:39:13
so still a human behind
and very enthusiastic about
00:39:20
what we are doing.
00:39:21
So that's the beauty of the sport,
00:39:23
that even if you want to do something
00:39:27
with no emotion, everything comes alive
00:39:31
in certain moments of the race.
00:39:33
- So what's interesting
here then is how you've had
00:39:36
to deal with the emotion that everyone has
00:39:38
which is the emotion of
disappointment or feeling let down
00:39:41
because what we've talked about
00:39:42
here is an incredible attention to detail,
00:39:45
a relentless discipline,
a laser sharp focus
00:39:48
for well over half your life for one goal,
00:39:51
which is to win a race.
00:39:53
Do you know your stats,
race entries and race wins?
00:39:56
What are they?
00:39:58
Do you know them, Michael?
- Race wins, 32.
00:40:00
- 32 wins.
00:40:01
- 360 Grand Prix or 360.
- Okay.
00:40:05
So you've lost 90% of the
Grand Prix that you've entered.
00:40:09
- Yes.
00:40:10
- You've moved to teams
as they've designed cars
00:40:12
that are disappointing
in their performance.
00:40:15
You've had moments
throughout your entire career
00:40:18
where you've been seconds
away from something incredible
00:40:20
then it hasn't happened.
00:40:23
So what advice would you
give the people listening
00:40:24
to this for how to deal
with disappointment?
00:40:29
- Well, failure is needed in life
00:40:32
and you have to have down moments.
00:40:35
You have to learn from many things.
00:40:37
And the sport in general,
00:40:39
as you said, 90% of the times,
you will not succeed or 99.
00:40:45
You know, it's easy
enough if you succeed one
00:40:47
to be worth all the things
that you've been trying
00:40:51
for many years.
00:40:52
And I think, yeah, not
winning and not delivering
00:40:56
what you will love to and
things like that are essential
00:41:02
for any human being to
really get better every time.
00:41:07
So you need to have
that level of confidence
00:41:11
and that level of discipline
as we said before,
00:41:15
to separate what is a disappointment
00:41:18
to what it can be a lesson, you know,
00:41:22
and get better for the next time.
00:41:25
- What would you tell us how you do that?
00:41:27
I like the idea of you being a robot
00:41:29
when you get in the car,
but as a human being
00:41:32
when you step out of it
00:41:33
and you go through those reflections,
00:41:35
what are the kind of
questions or processes
00:41:38
that you go through that
our listeners could use
00:41:41
and adopt in their life?
00:41:44
- Yeah, I mean you need to...
00:41:47
It is extremely painful.
00:41:49
You know, it's real pain
when you remove the helmet
00:41:54
and you are not on the podium
and you see others celebrating
00:41:59
and you know, it is something
00:42:02
that you cannot digest
sometimes for few hours
00:42:05
until you get at night at
home or you have to sleep
00:42:09
and the next morning you try
00:42:12
to process everything that happened.
00:42:14
If it was a mistake from yourself
00:42:17
or if it was a strategy mistake
00:42:19
or if it's just, you know, in our sport
00:42:21
that the car is not fast enough,
00:42:23
how to make that car as
fast as as the competition.
00:42:26
And I think it's just, you know, you need
00:42:32
to have, again, a plan
00:42:33
and you have to have
a program in your head
00:42:36
that you are willing to respect
00:42:40
and you have to start
with your self respect
00:42:43
and then to your team
and to your teammates
00:42:46
and everyone that is
working in the team, knowing
00:42:49
that, you know, there is a
plan to achieve certain goal.
00:42:53
There is a plan to get better physically.
00:42:55
There is a plan to get
better on the straights.
00:42:59
There is a plan of having
less mechanical issues
00:43:02
because we are, you know, getting stronger
00:43:04
on the reliability side.
00:43:06
We are hiring two new people.
00:43:07
We are building these
new facilities, you know,
00:43:11
to have a stronger gearbox for the future.
00:43:14
Once you get that on your
head, I think it's very easy
00:43:18
to keep going and to keep, you
know, delivering your best.
00:43:22
If you have any doubt
00:43:23
or if you don't have not
confidence on your team
00:43:26
or you lost the trust of your mechanic,
00:43:29
or if you have two bad pit stops
00:43:31
and you never talk about that
00:43:35
or you never put in plan an
improvement to the system
00:43:40
because definitely there are
some weaknesses on the system,
00:43:44
if you don't do that, for
sure, it is very difficult
00:43:47
to get the motivation or to deliver.
00:43:55
So you need to find
00:43:56
and to search for excellence
in everything you do.
00:44:00
And once you have that,
then you have to respect
00:44:03
that plan and to achieve that.
00:44:06
- But what I found
particularly interesting
00:44:08
in your earlier answer was
that you have a plan in place
00:44:12
of what you want to execute,
00:44:15
but you also seem to plan
for what could go wrong
00:44:20
and how do you mitigate against it.
00:44:22
What proportion of your
planning then is based
00:44:25
on executing successfully
and what proportion
00:44:28
of it is planning for mistakes,
for failures and errors?
00:44:32
- Yeah, 80% is is just
00:44:34
about executing everything 20% of the time
00:44:37
and in your head, it's
just plan B, plan C.
00:44:41
So you go to your plan initially,
00:44:45
but yeah, because if something goes wrong,
00:44:48
you need to have something and don't panic
00:44:51
and you have a plan but
that's not the optimum.
00:44:57
So you don't want to
to spend too much time
00:45:01
in the sub optimum.
00:45:03
- And as you reflect on your career,
00:45:06
what remains the biggest disappointment
00:45:08
that you used as fuel at the
time to push you forward?
00:45:17
- It is difficult to really say one.
00:45:22
- [Jake] Do you think much about it?
00:45:24
- No, I don't think much.
00:45:26
I will probably, yeah, if you
go back in time, you know,
00:45:31
you change things.
00:45:35
Winning a championship with Ferrari,
00:45:37
that will be probably the
first thing that I choose
00:45:40
if I can go back in time.
00:45:41
2010, 2012 we were within few laps
00:45:45
to winning a championship
00:45:46
and that probably could
have changed a little bit
00:45:50
the outcome of many things
00:45:52
and the history behind of few things.
00:45:57
And I was disappointed
for sure to miss those.
00:46:02
And then, yeah, as I said, you know,
00:46:07
because this is difficult
to change and you never know
00:46:10
and you depend of many other
people and other teams as well
00:46:14
and performance of the cars
and things, it is difficult
00:46:17
to regret something because
this is out of your hands.
00:46:21
What I regret for sure and
we touch before was not
00:46:25
to enjoy more my time, my career.
00:46:29
You know, I know that
I'm at the end of of it
00:46:32
and there is a new life,
you know, in few years time
00:46:36
for me without driving.
00:46:38
And when I will look back to
my career, I will see a lot
00:46:42
of good things and good friendships
00:46:46
and incredible experiences.
00:46:49
But it's like, I should have enjoyed more
00:46:53
and if I had the opportunity
00:46:56
to live my exact life once more,
00:47:00
maybe I don't change anything
on my teams or my choices
00:47:04
or this Ferrari maybe title or whatever.
00:47:06
I will just change
00:47:09
to live a little bit
more all those moments
00:47:13
and try to have more
memories from those moments.
00:47:17
I won the championship
in Brazil 2005 and six
00:47:20
and I hardly remember
anything from those afternoons
00:47:23
and nights, which is sad, you know.
00:47:27
So these are the kind of
things that I will change.
00:47:30
- But I actually think you can look at
00:47:33
that in a positive light.
00:47:34
Having that year out has changed the way
00:47:35
you see your career, which is brilliant.
00:47:37
So you can enjoy it more.
00:47:38
But also if you had enjoyed those,
00:47:41
you wouldn't have had the
realization at this point
00:47:44
to really, actually really
enjoy what you're doing now.
00:47:48
And I think, you know, every time I hear
00:47:50
or see an interview with you,
00:47:51
people are obsessed about
the third world title, right?
00:47:53
But when we sit here
and talk about this sort
00:47:57
of new mentality you've got
towards racing, I wonder whether
00:47:59
of course you'd love to
win a third world title,
00:48:00
but I wonder whether for
you, it is actually just
00:48:03
about enjoying the process
00:48:05
and maybe that makes you
the best driver you've been
00:48:09
in your entire career, perhaps.
00:48:10
I don't know what you think.
00:48:11
- Yeah, exactly like that.
00:48:13
I would love to win the
championship once again,
00:48:15
but it's not the highest priority.
00:48:18
I think I'm enjoying the
process of, especially now
00:48:23
with Aston Martin to become
a contender for the future.
00:48:28
I'm loving the time with the team,
00:48:30
how we are all growing up
in many different areas.
00:48:34
I will try 99% Dakar
again, which if one day
00:48:41
and that's something that is, it is not
00:48:45
that the third world title
is less of a priority.
00:48:49
It is a priority.
00:48:49
But winning Dakar one
day, it is a high priority
00:48:52
for me as well.
00:48:53
I will maybe have to attempt
that race eight, 10 years
00:48:57
or whatever until maybe
one day I got lucky
00:49:00
and I can fight for the win.
00:49:02
But if I win in Formula
One in endurance racing
00:49:07
and Dakar, that will feel
for me something special
00:49:12
as a driver and as a person.
00:49:15
So those kind of challenges
are in my head at the moment.
00:49:19
- Amazing. Right.
00:49:20
We've reached the point
00:49:22
for our final few questions,
our quickfire round.
00:49:25
So the first one is the three
non-negotiable behaviors
00:49:28
that you and the people
around you need to buy into.
00:49:36
- I would say discipline is one.
00:49:40
Integrity, yeah and confidence.
00:49:48
I like the people that has this power
00:49:52
of convincing you know, when
they talk about something
00:49:55
because they are so sure
of what they are doing
00:49:58
and this is very powerful.
00:50:01
- If you could go back to
one moment of your life,
00:50:03
what would it be and why?
00:50:08
- I will go back to my school time
00:50:15
because I don't know,
00:50:17
when you are young, you are free.
00:50:21
You have endless possibility
of, you know, doing
00:50:27
whatever you want in the
future and with your life
00:50:29
and this is kind of a feeling
00:50:32
that you miss later in
your life, you know?
00:50:33
So college, I think, is beautiful time.
00:50:36
- We've talked a lot about discipline.
00:50:38
We've talked a lot about hard
work, traveling the world,
00:50:40
becoming jaded and tired
with the relentlessness.
00:50:44
What is the hidden cost
of your achievements
00:50:47
of living the life that you live?
00:50:53
- Nothing really.
00:50:55
I think you lose your privacy.
00:50:57
This is a very important thing
and you have to deal with,
00:51:02
and we are all different in terms
00:51:05
of dealing with this thing.
00:51:08
For me, it is not easy coming
00:51:09
from where I come from and things.
00:51:12
Losing your privacy
00:51:14
and not being anonymous anymore
in any place in the world
00:51:20
and constrained yourself
to do certain things
00:51:22
at certain times or just
to avoid, you know, stress,
00:51:26
that's a high price to pay.
00:51:29
- And what about growth and
relationships, particularly away
00:51:32
from Formula One?
00:51:34
You know, you're 41.
00:51:35
Many 41 year olds are on
child one, two, maybe three,
00:51:38
wife one, maybe wife two,
00:51:41
and you're not married,
you have no children.
00:51:43
Has that been a sacrifice
you've had to make?
00:51:51
- Probably yes. Yeah.
00:51:53
Yeah, I love kids
00:51:56
and yeah, probably not being in the sport
00:51:58
and not being a Formula One driver,
00:52:01
I probably would have
my own family by now,
00:52:03
but that's something that you never know.
00:52:07
So I don't think too much on this.
00:52:09
- What's one piece of
advice you would give
00:52:11
to a young Fernando starting out?
00:52:15
- To enjoy more, as we said.
00:52:19
To take care more about, you
know, your friends, family.
00:52:28
It's not that I didn't take care,
00:52:29
but you know, it seems
that you always want
00:52:33
to spend more time with them.
00:52:37
My grandparents, that they
are not with me anymore.
00:52:41
These kind of things, you know,
00:52:44
if you could have, you
know, a conversation
00:52:46
with yourself, you know, a few years ago,
00:52:48
you will advise these kind of things.
00:52:51
- How happy are you?
00:52:53
- From what, one to 10? (laughs)
00:52:54
- [Jake] Yeah.
00:52:55
- 9, 9.5.
00:52:57
- [Damian] Oh that's good.
00:53:00
- What's the most valuable piece of advice
00:53:01
that you've ever received?
00:53:07
- On the personal life?
00:53:10
My parents are always giving
me, you know, the sense
00:53:16
of being a good person,
humble, trying to take care
00:53:24
of yourself and the others.
00:53:27
I think this is something
that I always appreciated
00:53:33
and my parents are always
giving me the best advices
00:53:37
on the professional side of things.
00:53:40
I remember when I was in go-kart, I was 13
00:53:44
or something like that
00:53:45
and I finished second in
the world championship
00:53:49
the first year that I attempted.
00:53:52
And I was so happy.
00:53:53
It was my second international
race in the podium,
00:53:57
in the world championship
that was just incredible.
00:54:00
And I arrived to the team
00:54:02
and I seemed that I
was the only one happy.
00:54:06
So the head of mechanics
back then in go-kart
00:54:10
in my team came to me and pulled me in one
00:54:13
of the side of the tent
00:54:14
and he said, "Be happy, enjoy,
00:54:16
but there is not much to celebrate.
00:54:19
Second is the first losers.
00:54:22
In a sport, you win or you don't.
00:54:26
You know, to finish second,
seventh or 11th is the same.
00:54:30
There is only one guy with
a trophy and it's not us.
00:54:33
So I understand your emotion,
00:54:35
but this is nothing to celebrate."
00:54:37
It was shocking because
I was 13 and I thought
00:54:40
that that was really,
you know, good, you know,
00:54:44
and that was really bad,
you know, for a kid.
00:54:46
But then with time I understood
00:54:49
that that was a good advice
in general, you know,
00:54:53
especially in the sports,
00:54:54
or when you are competing
00:54:55
for something, you win or you don't.
00:54:58
You know, it's not that you train
00:54:59
and you are here at the
simulator or at the races
00:55:02
or whatever to finish seventh.
00:55:04
And seventh is the same as 17th, you know,
00:55:06
there is only one guy winning.
00:55:10
- And the final question,
for the many people
00:55:13
that have listened to this
of all ages, all backgrounds,
00:55:16
what would you like to
leave ringing in their ears?
00:55:18
Your one golden rule for them
00:55:20
to find their own version
of high performance?
00:55:29
- I think self-confidence.
00:55:31
Being prepared for
everything you do in life.
00:55:36
You know, you cannot underestimate
even the easiest thing
00:55:40
in life or something that
you do every day in your job
00:55:43
or whatever and you get used to.
00:55:45
There is always something
00:55:46
that it will change one day,
00:55:49
technology will change,
something will change
00:55:51
and you have to adapt to that
00:55:53
and deliver that extra again
00:55:55
because there is a new
way of doing things.
00:55:58
And yeah, the world is
changing, you have to adapt
00:56:02
and you have to deliver something extra.
00:56:07
And so you cannot be happy with anything.
00:56:12
You have to always search
for something better.
00:56:15
- Amazing.
00:56:16
- Can I ask you one
last question, Fernando?
00:56:18
As a man that prepares for
when you play a tennis game
00:56:21
against an opponent, well in advance,
00:56:24
how much preparation did
you do for this interview?
00:56:26
- Not much, because I was in
the simulator this morning
00:56:29
and I should have prepared even more
00:56:32
but I hope it's still enjoyable.
00:56:34
- That's very good. Fantastic.
00:56:35
- Do you enjoy having these
sorts of conversations
00:56:37
'cause most of the interviews you do
00:56:38
in your career are
simply about the racing?
00:56:43
Do you like reflecting?
00:56:45
- I do like reflecting.
00:56:46
- Well listen, thanks.
00:56:47
Thank you very much.
00:56:48
You know, I think this team have got you
00:56:52
at the perfect time because I think
00:56:53
Fernando 15 years ago
wouldn't have actually cared
00:56:55
about a project, would he?
00:56:56
He would've said, "I don't care.
00:56:58
I want to win today."
00:56:59
And I think you're now a man
00:57:01
who sees the bigger
picture, sees the journey,
00:57:04
sees what you can do when
you all pull together
00:57:06
and I think it's the perfect
team at the perfect time.
00:57:09
Would you agree?
00:57:09
- I do agree and yeah,
I think it is in life.
00:57:12
It is not only in sports in general.
00:57:15
I think when you are 20
you see life in a way.
00:57:19
And when you are 40, you see it
00:57:20
in a completely different way.
00:57:22
Unfortunately, life, when
you have the experience
00:57:24
of 40, you will love to have 20
00:57:27
because you have your body ready
00:57:29
for the knowledge that you have at 40.
00:57:31
But in motorsport, I
think at the age of 40
00:57:35
and the knowledge
00:57:36
that you have at 40 is
not a big disadvantage not
00:57:40
to have the body of 20
00:57:41
because we still, you know, driving cars
00:57:43
and it's more a mental
thing and create automatism
00:57:48
on your hands, steering wheel,
all these kind of things.
00:57:51
So I think at the moment I feel good
00:57:55
because my sport is good at the age of 40
00:57:58
and that knowledge and
it's still delivering.
00:58:00
If I was a footballer or a
tennis player or whatever,
00:58:03
that will be more painful.
00:58:05
- Brilliant. Thank you so much.