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ACCOUNTABILITY LIKE THIS
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ULTIMATELY BE A DETERRENT IN
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MASS SHOOTINGS HERE AT THE
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TABLE WITH US IN NEW YORK LAST
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NIGHT ON THIS VERY SHOW,
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SITTING RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE
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LAST NIGHT, MONTEL WILLIAMS,
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WITHOUT KNOWING ANY OF THIS,
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WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THIS
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WEAPON WASN'T JUST IN THE
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HOUSE, BUT IT WAS GIVEN TO THIS
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KID. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID SURE.
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>> HOLD THESE PARENTS
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ACCOUNTABLE. LET'S START
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LOCKING THOSE PARENTS UP BY 15,
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20 YEARS. THEN WE'RE GOING TO
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START SEEING AT LEAST
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RESPONSIBILITY AND THE GUN
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OWNERSHIP WORLD THAT IS THE
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QUESTION. TONIGHT. FOUR COUNTS,
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NOT NOT YOU KNOW MANSLAUGHTER
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HE NEEDS NOT JUST MANSLAUGHTER
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BECAUSE HE'S FACING FOUR
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INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, BUT
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HE'S ALSO CHASING FACING
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MURDER CHARGES STRAIGHT UP
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MURDER CHARGES WILL THIS MAKE A
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DIFFERENCE?
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>> I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, IT
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DOES IN SOME WAYS AND LET ME
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JUST I DON'T HAVE KIDS. RIGHT.
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OKAY. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT
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YOU HAVEN'T KIDS ARE NOT HAVING
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KIDS MEANS THAT YOU CAN'T BE A
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PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. BUT
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THE PART THAT I WORRY ABOUT THE
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MOST IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A
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SLIPPERY SLOPE, I THINK IN THIS
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CASE, THE CHARGES ARE FAIR
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BECAUSE EVEN IF THIS WAS THE
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MOST RESPONSIBLE CHILD OF ALL
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TIME WHY WOULD BUYING A
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MILITARY STYLE WEAPON BE A GOOD
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IDEA TO PUT IN THE HANDS OF A
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14-YEAR-OLD, ANY 40. OKAY. IF
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THEY GOT STRAIGHT A'S, I DON'T
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CARE IF THEY COME HOMO TAB THEY
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VEGGIES SAY THEY PRAYERS. IT
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DOESN'T MATTER. THAT IS NOT
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THE TYPE OF WEAPON THAT BELONG
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IN THAT BELONGS IN AT CHILD'S
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HANDS? BUT I DO THINK THAT I
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THINK ABOUT HOW POTENTIALLY
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SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD BE
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WEAPONIZED AGAINST THE MOST
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VULNERABLE PARENTS AND THAT'S
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WHERE I GET A LITTLE BIT
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CONCERNED, BUT I THINK IN CASES
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OF OBVIOUS NEGLECT WITH THIS,
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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CASE
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OF MICHIGAN WITH THE CRUMBLEYS
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AND THE SCHOOL SHOOTING THERE
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YES, THAT MAKES SENSE. WHEN YOU
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ARE KNOWINGLY PUTTING THE
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SELF-DESTRUCTIVE THINGS IN THE
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HANDS OF CHILDREN AND YOU KNOW,
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THEY HAVE PROBLEMS AS A PARENT,
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YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO THAT.
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I'M JUST NOT SURE IF THE
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BLANKET ANSWER IS ALL PARENTS
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NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT
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THEIR CHILDREN DO KNOWINGLY
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PART IS THE KEY PART HERE
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BECAUSE THE POLICE CAME TO THIS
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FAMILY AND SAID WE REPORTS THAT
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YOUR SON MIGHT BE PLOTTING AN
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ATTACK ON A SCHOOL ATTACKED
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BASICALLY LIKE THE ONE THAT
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HAPPENED. AND THEN MONTHS
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LATER, YOU GO OUT AND YOU BUY A
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WEAPON I PUT MY KIDS ON THE BUS
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TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY OF
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SCHOOL AND I WAS THINKING TO
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MYSELF, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR
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EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES.
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>> I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW MY
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KINDERGARTENER IS GOING TO
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BEHAVE IN CLASS TODAY, RIGHT?
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I'M HOPING THESE NICE TO THE
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FELLOW KIDS. I'M HOPING THAT
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HE BEHAVES. I'M HOPING IS ON A
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BULLY. IF I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR
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THAT, THEN OF COURSE I'M
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RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE
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THIS AND WHETHER THAT ENDS AT
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17 OR 18, OR 19, THERE'S
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INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE
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ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE CUTOFF
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IS. BUT FOR A 14-YEAR-OLD IT
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SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR.
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>> I MEAN, LOOK, I I JUST
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WONDER TO JAMIL'S POINT IN
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TERMS OF CULPABILITY, DOES IT
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STOP? BEGIN END WITH THE
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PARENTS. WHAT ABOUT THE FBI
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VISITED THE PARENTS? COULD THEY
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HAVE DONE MORE? WHAT ABOUT THE
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SCHOOL'S OBLIGATION TO PROTECT
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OTHER STUDENTS SHOULD THEY HAVE
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DONE MORE WOULD ABOUT LAW
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ENFORCEMENT? I MEAN, THERE ARE
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SO MANY QUESTIONS HERE, ABBY
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AND I GET MANTEL'S POINT, BUT
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THERE ARE A LOT OF RESPONSIBLE
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GUN OWNERS IN THIS COUNTRY.
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I'M FROM THE SOUTH, MANY
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PEOPLE THAT I KNOW HAVE KIDS
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WHO ARE VERY YOUNG WHO ARE
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COMPETITIVE SHOOTERS, PISTOLS,
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SHOTGUNS, ARS THEY'RE
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PERFECTLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT I
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DON'T WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE
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BETWEEN THE RESPONSE THAT YOU
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CAN BE. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND
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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT BUT
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BUT BUT A CHILD I DON'T KNOW
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THAT EVEN A CHILD WHO IS MAYBE
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YOU DO COMPETITIVE SHOOTING OR
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HUNTING OR WHATEVER. I DON'T
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KNOW THAT YOU COULD SAY THAT
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CHILD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT
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HE DO WITH THAT WEAPON ERROR
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SCENARIOS.
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>> IT'S A CONTROLLED SCENARIO,
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RIGHT? SO I WANT I WANT CLARITY
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THERE. BUT I'M JUST SIMPLY
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SAYING I JUST DON'T WANT TO
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DEMONIZE EVERY SINGLE PERSON
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WITH AN AR 15 OR WHAT GUNS
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GENERALLY SPEAKING. BUT AGAIN,
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BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT IN
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TERMS OF CULPABILITY, WHERE
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DOES IT BEGIN? WHERE DOES IT
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END? AND COULD THE OTHER
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ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THIS
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PROCESS, SHOULD THEY? THEY HAVE
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DONE MORE AND I DON'T THINK WE
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HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
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>> I THINK THAT THAT'S A
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REALLY FAIR POINT. IT'S WHERE
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DOES THE CULPABILITY LIE AND
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WHERE IS THE STRUCTURE FOR IT?
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BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN STATES
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THAT HAVE BEGUN TO PASS SOME
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LEGISLATION ABOUT PARENTS BEING
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MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR
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CHILDREN'S ACTIONS. AND I
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THINK TO YOUR POINT AS WELL,
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WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT
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THOSE MOST VULNERABLE MY ALSO
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GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS THERE.
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I'M SURE THERE ARE PLENTY OF
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PARENTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE BEEN
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SOUNDING THE ALARM, BEGGING FOR
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HELP WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND
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JUST NOT ABLE TO ACCESS
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RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GET
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THEIR CHILDREN ON THE RIGHT
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PATH. MY CONCERN AS WELL WOULD
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BE IS YES, BEARS WILL BE A
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PAPER TRAIL YOUR RECORD.
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>> HOWEVER, THIS LEGISLATION IS
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WRITTEN BECAUSE I'M SURE MANY
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THESE STATES WILL BEGIN LOOKING
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AT THIS MORE AGGRESSIVELY NOW,
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IS THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO
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SET THOSE STANDARDS FOR
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PARENTS. IS IT DOES IT START
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WITH YOUR CHILD, BEAT UP
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SOMEONE AT SCHOOL. SO NOW
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YOU'RE RELIABLE FOR THE
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VIOLENT ACT OR FOR VIOLENT ACTS
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LIKE, WHERE ARE THESE LINES AND
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THESE GRAVES? THESE ARE ALWAYS
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THE TOUGHEST THINGS TO
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MILITARIES WILL DECIDE THAT'S
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WHAT WORKED IN THE CRUMBLEY
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CASE. BUT THE JURIES. DO YOU DO
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YOU STILL GOING UP TO BLACK
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MOTHERS WHO HAVE YOUNG SONS WHO
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MAY FIND THEMSELVES IN TROUBLE
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IN THE STREET, DO PROSECUTORS,
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MOSTLY WHITE, ARE GOING AFTER
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THEM BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE A
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PROBLEM WITH IT. NOW, WHERE
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THIS PARTY LIVED THROUGH THAT,
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WHEN BLACK FAMILIES WERE
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PROSECUTED UNDER THE NOTION OF
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THE DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY.
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>> SO WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN
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AND IT DOESN'T WORK IN EFFECT.
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THEY'VE WAY I DON'T THINK WE
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CAN TALK ABOUT THIS IN AN
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ISOLATED SOLUTION. I'M A FORMER
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TEACHER. IF I KNEW AND I TAUGHT
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SPECIAL EDUCATION AND I HAD
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CHILDREN THAT WERE EMOTIONALLY
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DISTURBED. AND IF I HAD KNOWN
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THAT ONE OF MY PARENTS BOUGHT
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ONE OF MY CHILDREN GUN AND I
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CALL THEM MY CHILDREN BECAUSE
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THEY WERE MY STUDENTS. I WOULD
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BE TERRIFIED. I WILL BE CALLING
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SO TO EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'D
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NOBODY KNEW THAT. BUT FOR A
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PARENT TO DO THAT FOR A CHILD
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THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT
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SAYING THAT IF YOU LISTEN TO
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THE AUDIO, THE FATHER SAYS,
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I'M OFF TO KNOW THAT MY SON
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WAS TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL
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SHOOTING. SO IF YOU'RE OFF TO
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KNOW THAT YOUR SON IS TALKING
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ABOUT A SCHOOL SHOOTING. I'M
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OFF THAT YOU BOUGHT HIM THE GUN
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THE PARENTS NOW HAVE WE HAVE
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PARENTS WHO WILL NEVER SEE
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THEIR CHILDREN. AGAIN, WE HAVE
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A WHOLE 2000 STUDENTS WHO WERE
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TRAUMATIZED PROBABLY FOR THE
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REST OF THEIR LIVES WITH PTSD.
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IF YOU LISTEN TO THE STUDENTS
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THAT MANY OF OUR ANCHORS WERE
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IN REPORTERS WERE INTERVIEWING,
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THEY WERE TREMBLING WITH FEAR,
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JUST HAVING TO RELIVE THAT. BUT
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I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT
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THE PARENTS BEING RESPONSIBLE.
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I THINK THAT THIS INSTANCES THE
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RIGHT CASE, AND I THINK THE
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CRUMBLEY CASE WAS THE RIGHT
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DECISION. WHY DID THEY HAVE AN
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AR 15? AND THIS GOES BACK TO
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WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE MENTAL
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HEALTH SERVICES. WE ALWAYS WANT
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TO GO TO A ONE-SHOT SOLUTION
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VERSUS WHAT USING THE WORD
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POORLY. BUT A ONE STOP SOLUTION
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WHEN WE KNOW THAT THESE ISSUES
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ARE MORE COMPLICATED. AND I
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JUST I'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT
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ABOUT LIKE, WHAT WOULD I DO IF
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I WAS ALIVE 50 YEARS AGO. BUT I
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ALSO THINK LIKE, WHAT WILL
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PEOPLE THINK ABOUT US IN 100
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YEARS WHEN THEY SEE CHILDREN
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YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR
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GETTING MURDERED IN SCHOOLS AND
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U.s. ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER OR
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NOT WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE
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WEAPONS AWAY FROM THEM. I JUST
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I WONDER WHAT THE ANSWER, BUT I
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WANT TO PLAY WHAT J.D. VANCE,
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THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, NOMINEE
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FOR VICE PRESIDENT, SAID ABOUT
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THIS WHEN HE WAS ASKED EARLIER
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TONIGHT THE KAMALA HARRIS
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ANSWER TO THIS IS TO TAKE LAW
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ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS GUNS
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AWAY FROM WHAT YOU'VE GOT SOME
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STATES WITH VERY STRICT GUN
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LAWS AND YOU'VE GOT SOME
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STATES. THEY DON'T HAVE STRICT
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GUN LAWS AT ALL. IN THE STATES
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WAS STRICT GUN LAWS. THEY HAVE
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A LOT OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. AND
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THE STATES WITHOUT STRICT GUN
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LAWS, SOME OF THEM HAVE SCHOOL
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SHOOTINGS TO SO CLEARLY STRICT
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GUN LAWS IS NOT THE THING THAT
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IS GONNA SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
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>> WELL, THAT'S QUITE AN
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ANSWER AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE
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PART OF THE GENERAL APATHY OF
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THIS. LIKE WE HAVE BECOME THE
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NATION OF LIGHT WHILE WE JUST
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CAN'T DO ANYTHING, WE, YOU
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KNOW, WE HAVE MORE GUNS TWICE
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AS MANY GUNS AS PEOPLE HEAR.
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THAT'S THAT'S THE REALITY OF
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WHERE WE AREN'T TO YOUR POINT
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IT'S, LIKE WHEN YOU THINK
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ABOUT, IF YOU'RE IN A TIME
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CAPSULE, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK NOW
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AT THIS TIME AND WHAT WE WOULD
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HAVE DONE, THE ANSWER WOULD
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HAVE BEEN NOTHING THAT WOULD
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JUST SPINNING THE INERTIA.
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FIRST OF ALL, VICE PRESIDENT
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HARRIS DIDN'T SAY SHE WANTED
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TO TAKE ALL THE GUNS AWAY, SO
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HE STARTED WITH A LAB RIGHT
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AWAY AND PEOPLE THINK THE
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SLIGHTEST BIT OF REGULATION,
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LIKE CAN WE ALL AGREE, NOT A
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GOOD IDEA IF YOU'RE UNDER FOR
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18 TO HAVE AN ASSAULT RIFLE,
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NOT A GOOD IDEA. DON'T CARE WHO
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YOU ARE. IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA
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TO DO THIS. THERE ARE VERY
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SIMPLE THINGS THAT I THINK I'D
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LIKE TO THANK THE RATIONAL PART
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OF OUR BRAINS WOULD SAY IT'S
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PROBABLY NOT GOOD THAT YOU CAN
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PURCHASE A HIGHLY POWERFUL
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WEAPON BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY
