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the sanctions are not working today's
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economic report from Russia bears that
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out the economy has been hit with 16 a
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half thousand sanctions targeting energy
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Finance defense Logistics Aviation but
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it outp outperformed Europe and the
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United States in 2023 growing by
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3.6% direct Imports to Russia from
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Europe and the us obviously fell but
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Russia has found new suppliers in Asia
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and the Middle East to fill the Gap in
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Imports 10% of GDP is coming from War
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related fiscal stimulus the Polish
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foreign minister says the whole economy
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is now on a war
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footing Russia may have
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suffered over 350 casualties both dead
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and wounded but as we know in
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dictatorships human life is cheap Putin
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has crushed dissidents murdered Alexa
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Naval moved the country's economy to a
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war footing boosted production of
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artillery shells
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and around the clock Russia has started
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building more factories and running
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running its existing plants on Triple
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shifts during my last trip to Kiev in
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December ukrainians described how the
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Invaders were so much better equipped
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that they fired eight artillery rounds
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for every one that the ukrainians can
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Master that's not a way to
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win let's bring in Maxim Katz he's an
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opposition activist and political
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strategist in Russia he's here uh in the
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UK I think um Maxim I actually don't
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know where you are maybe we shouldn't
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probably say where you are but let's uh
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let's talk about what we heard at the
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European Parliament today uh Julia said
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that Alex's work will
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continue who carries the Batton who is
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going to do
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that I think it's it's very good that
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she said that she will continue his work
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it's very important because the Russian
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opposition will have a leader we we had
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some thoughts what what we will do now
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because Alex Nal was leader of Russian
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opposition but now she said that she
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will continue his his work so yeah yeah
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but Alexi naly didn't just oppose
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Vladimir Putin he exposed him he lifted
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a lid on the corruption and the
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criminality are there those kind of
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people within the movement who can show
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the Russian people what he's up
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to I think this process of showing the
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Russian people uh is mostly is already
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done by Alexi naal his H movie about the
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Palace of that Putin built to himself ER
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has about 140 million views on YouTube
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which is almost the same number as the
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population of Russia so I think
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everybody knows that Russian government
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is corrupted the next steps are making a
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political action together as the the the
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main struggle is to bring together at
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least the opposition and the people who
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oppose Putin to act to make a political
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action together and I hope Julia will
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will be able to do that I I don't know
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but I hope so one presumes that she
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won't be able to go to the funeral on
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Friday what sort of event is that going
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to be and and what is the risk to those
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who
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attend we don't know this yet the
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Russian government try to do everything
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that it can that this won't be a big
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public event they they tried to pressure
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the mother of Alexa naal uh so she will
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agree to a quiet Family Funeral some
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kind of things like this she didn't
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agree to that um I I don't know yet what
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will happen there now the Russ Moscow
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police started to issue fines and
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even time in jail like two weeks in jail
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for people who came to to put flowers on
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the memorials in in the day of death of
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Alex naal these kind of things can
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happen also for those who who will come
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to funeral but we don't know
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yet that figure um on our screens at the
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moment the economy growing by 3.6% I
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think that will surprise a lot of people
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her message today is that sanctions
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aren't working the European
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parliamentarians are not doing enough
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why why are they not
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working this is a long conversation to
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to put to put it short I I think there
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is the sanctions have no goal no
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strategy and no plan Europe and the
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Western countries try to I don't know
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hel hold accountable Russia and Putin
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and and things like this but there is no
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practical plan what these sanctions will
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do and how they it it will affect
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Russian economy and in
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consequences the West continue to send
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huge amounts of money to Russia to Putin
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there is no sanctions on buying things
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from Russia mostly not buying gas buying
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oil well there are some sanctions but
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still huge amounts of money is flowing
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into Russia and Putin using Putin using
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this money for the war and for for
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keeping his economy running Russian
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economy running in the other hand uh no
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effort to uh make a brain drain from
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Russia is made because a lot of people
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want to leave Russia it's very important
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people for Russian economy uh but uh not
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a lot of effort is being done to to
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offer these people a possibility to exit
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Russia and live in some somewhere else
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so in my opinion these sanctions has no
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uh firm strategy no Western leader
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leader can say what is the strategy and
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what are the practical steps that these
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sanctions need to achieve not the moral
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part of this story not the internal
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politics part of the story to show your
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constituency that you tough on Russia
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but the Practical how it will affect
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Russian econ no it was nobody never
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discussed even in
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even publicly well practically speaking
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I mean practically speaking what they of
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course have to do is is to stop the
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high-tech equipment getting into Russia
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which is being used to to resupply the
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Armed Forces so there was a a Committee
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hearing yesterday before the Senate
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armed services Committee in Washington a
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dossier handed over 21 American
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manufactured high-tech products uh were
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were used to kill ukrainians on the
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battle field so American components in
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them major US companies um Intel Texas
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Instruments IBM the chip manufacturer
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AMD all of their kit is getting to
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Russia how is it getting there and do
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they know it's getting there yes it it
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is getting there because Russia has a
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lot of money in in the modern world and
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modern economy of the 2024 you cannot
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stop things FL blowing anywhere if this
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PL have money to buy it you you can take
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as an example the War on Drugs huge
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amount of money is a huge huge prison
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terms are are given to those who who
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bringing drugs for the for example to
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the United States but the drugs still
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flowing in because there are people who
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has money and want to buy them and you
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cannot do nothing with this the only
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thing you can do with this with in in in
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the case of Russia is making sure that
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Putin won't have this money if you're
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sending him dollars and Euros to and
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buying gas and oil from him and other
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other different stuff he will be able to
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get this money all this modern equipment
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and you won't won't be able to do
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anything with but the problem
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with but the problem with that is he's
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finding Alternative Market drain this is
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two things he's finding alternative
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markets to sell his oil and gas there
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are Asian markets that he's turned to we
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know we've documented it on the BBC that
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oil which comes out of Russia is refined
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in third countries and then shipped to
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Western markets so there are easy ways
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around the sanctions that are in place
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so what is the answer is it is it
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tougher penalties for oil companies for
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High-Tech companies so that they do
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their own detective work to stop some of
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that materials going in I I don't know
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the H answer about that uh but uh the
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way through uh India or through China is
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uh much more complicated for Russia and
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they get rupees or Yuans for this and
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not euros and dollars which must
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complicated the story to get it into
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into Western Equipment so uh even if you
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if you will if if the West will will
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stop the flow of dollars and Euros it
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will be a very big deal brain drain and
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money drain this is this is two things
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that the can do in terms of sanction
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Russia practical things not not not Mor
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things or big big
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important uh committee that will decide
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that we will hold Russian e two
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practical things brain drain and money
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drain this is two things that that is
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possible to do and should be done and
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then Putin won't have the money to buy
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this stuff and then he won't have it
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just a final one um the commission
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president on Del has said tonight that
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Europe should look very firmly at the
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money that is frozen in uh in European
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Bank and in Western Banks about 300
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billion euros of Russian funds that are
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frozen she says that should be used and
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converted to buy arms for Ukraine you
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are a Russian opposed to the regime but
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this is Russia's money uh which could do
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an awful lot of good uh in your country
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how do you feel about that the frozen
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assets that are in
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Banks this money won't do any good to to
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my country today if it will be in the
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hands of Putin it can be it can do some
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good in the future if Putin W be in
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power in Russia however about this money
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I don't know if if it's practically
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possible to to to use it for something
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but this is a whole different internal
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story of Europe and courts in Europe
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that I I cannot comment on this because
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I don't know enough Maxim Kat it's
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lovely to talk to you thank you very
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much for coming on the program this
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