Digital Agenda 2030 (Haas, Niehaus-Langer, Bayaz, Bär, Repinski) | DLD25

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Summary

TLDREtt tal och diskussion som fokuserar på digitaliseringens betydelse för Tysklands tillväxt. Talaren framhäver att 70% av GDP-tillväxten förväntas påverkas av digitala ekosystem inom de kommande fem åren, medan Tyskland idag ligger under 20%. För att uppnå detta krävs en digital minister som kan samla alla digitaliseringsinsatser och minska byråkratin. Diskussionen betonar också vikten av att skapa en digital identitet för medborgarna och att stärker innovationer inom ny teknik. Med rätt inställning och struktur kan Tyskland återfå sin konkurrenskraft och leda inom digitalisering och ny teknologi.

Takeaways

  • 🎉 70% av GDP-tillväxt kommer att påverkas av digitala ekosystem.
  • 📉 Tyskland ligger idag under 20% i digitalisering.
  • 💻 Behövs en digital minister för att samla digitalisering.
  • 🚀 Fokus på att minska byråkrati för att främja innovation.
  • 🌐 Ett digitalt ID för medborgarna kan vara en viktig pusselbit.
  • 🔧 Trial-and-error kultur behövs för rätt reformer.
  • 🏭 Prioritera investeringar i ny teknologi som AI och kvantteknologi.
  • 📊 Tyskland måste bli mer konkurrenskraftigt på den globala marknaden.
  • 📈 Samarbete mellan politik och näringsliv är avgörande för tillväxt.
  • 🔍 En ny förståelse för dataskydd och datadelning är nödvändig.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Talaren inleder med att tacka för introduktionen och gratulerar DLD på födelsedagen. Betonar vikten av att accelerera digitaliseringen i Tyskland och Europa, med en prognos från Världsbanken som visar att 70% av BNP-tillväxten kommer att påverkas av digitala plattformar inom fem år. Tyskland och Europa ligger nu betydligt efter, vilket pekar på behovet av att 'Leap Frog' för att hänga med i utvecklingen.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Betonar nuvarande utmaningar i Tyskland och att digitaliseringen ligger under 10%. Det framhålls att vi måste dra nytta av de erfarenheter som gjorts tidigare och uppmuntrar till användning av molnlösningar och data. För att förbättra Tysklands digitalisering efterlyses en digital minister för att samordna insatserna.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Diskussionen går vidare till politiska perspektiv, där flera paneldeltagare påpekar att Tyskland behöver bekämpa byråkrati och underlätta innovation. Det identifieras som kritiskt att skapa en mer företagsvänlig miljö och sänka skatter.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Doro Be fokuserar på att Tyskland står inför stagnerad tillväxt och att det är avgörande att gå framåt med frågor om ekonomi, säkerhet och migration. Enhet och samarbete mellan partierna betonades som nödvändiga för att få till stånd förändringar.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Mari Langer diskuterar utmaningarna från framväxande ekonomier som Kina och trycket från deras innovativa teknologiserier. Hon framhäver behovet av en strategi för att stödja tyska industrier och skydda immateriella rättigheter.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:31:39

    Avslutningen av paneldiskussionen betonar vikten av att ha en digital strategi och gemensamma mål för att Tyskland ska kunna återfå sin konkurrenskraft, inklusive införandet av en digital ID som en nyckelkomponent för framtiden.

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Video Q&A

  • Vad är huvudtemat för diskussionen?

    Huvudtemat är att accelerera tillväxt och digitalisering i Tyskland och Europa.

  • Vilken andel av GDP-tillväxt förväntas påverkas av digitala ekosystem inom fem år?

    70% av GDP-tillväxt förväntas påverkas av digitala ekosystem.

  • Vad är viktigt för att kunna Leapa framåt i digitalisering?

    Att minska byråkrati och istället fokusera på digitala lösningar är viktigt.

  • Vilken typ av minister rekommenderas för att hantera digitala frågor?

    Det föreslås en särskild digital minister i Tyskland för att koordinera digitaliseringsinsatser.

  • Hur står sig Tyskland i jämförelse med andra länder när det kommer till digitalisering?

    Tyskland är inte en frontlinjespelare inom ny teknik och har låg digitalisering i olika sektorer.

  • Vilka branscher nämns som potentiella tillväxtområden?

    Branscher som AI, kvantteknologi och gröna teknologier nämns som viktiga för framtiden.

  • Vad kan göras för att stimulera tillväxt i Tyskland?

    Det föreslås att implementera skattereduceringar och göra energi billigare.

  • Vad behövs för att förbättra den offentliga sektorns digitalisering?

    Ökad användning av AI och automatisering i offentlig förvaltning behövs.

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    introduction and I think it's also from
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    my side happy birthday dld I think in
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    the last 20 years you were really
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    bringing uh new ideas to Germany you
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    were challenging you were always giving
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    a preview into the future and it's maybe
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    one of the greatest platforms and
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    networks and it's Unique thank you very
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    much and happy birthday Alesia already
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    set the tone of our panel that we are
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    going to discuss in a few minutes how
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    can we accelerate and how can we really
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    get the challenges in order to get back
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    to growth in Germany and in Europe I
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    would give like to give you one number
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    the World Bank is predicting that in 5
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    years from now 70% of GDP growth will be
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    influenced by digital ecosystems or
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    digital platforms
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    70% in Germany we are today below 20 and
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    in Europe we are below 30% so that gives
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    you an indication that clearly there's a
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    way there's a way how we need to Leap
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    Frog in order to get there but on the
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    other side it has never been so easy to
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    start digitalization because the
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    mistakes that have been made by
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    companies and governments 10 years ago
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    we don't need to make anymore we have
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    endtoend Cloud Solutions we have II
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    Solutions we have the best networks in
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    Germany in Europe that we ever had so in
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    order to start and to Leap Frog it's
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    never too late and I think also with the
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    theme of the this year's DLC future
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    positive I think to see these
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    opportunities to seize these
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    opportunities this is clearly our
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    task if you look forward I think why do
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    we stand where we stand today clearly
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    it's not news to you that Germany and
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    especially Europe is not an adoption or
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    is more not a front runner of new
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    technologies the digitalization or the
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    data in cloud in Germany is below 10%
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    10% also says a lot that 10% at the end
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    of the day we are more watching looking
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    what others are doing before we really
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    jump but once we reach the Tipping Point
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    we also in Europe can adapt and use new
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    technologies very quickly what should we
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    do concrete from my perspective and I
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    think the stars are aligning now because
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    we see on the one side with the dragy
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    report where the new European commission
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    will build on that we have investment
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    Gap that that we need to overcome that
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    we need a new data protection
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    environment in Europe that allows us to
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    clearly use anonymous data that it's not
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    uh uh forbidden to save data and use
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    data we are not talking about personal
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    data but we need to use anonymous and
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    Industrial data without any any
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    limitations in order to Leap Frog and
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    finally I think after the elections um
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    not only me uh the whole industry is
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    clearly looking for we need a digital
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    Ministry in Germany that brings together
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    all the Loose Ends that consolidates all
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    the it and digitalization islands that
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    we have today because digitalization
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    does not end at the responsibilities of
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    some Ministries we need an endtoend
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    solution if you look at countries like
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    India or east Estonia or other countries
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    uh in Europe we need one German cloud
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    and we finally need the German digital
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    ID so the passport on your smart phone
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    that would clearly be a key enabler in
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    order to bring us forward we also
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    clearly we talk about a lot of reducing
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    bureaucracy but bureaucracy reduction
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    starts first that we need to go for
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    digital only yes um we need to be very
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    clear and very brave here we cannot run
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    Legacy systems and new systems in
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    parallel digital first is the way also
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    other countries really were able to LEAP
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    frck from today's perspective where we
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    stand and we have the Technologies now
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    aware in order to really leap FR from
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    this
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    perspective to finalize and to conclude
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    from my perspective I think it has never
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    been so easy to leap frck and to become
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    at the Forefront what we want to achieve
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    and it's now really up to the European
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    commission the new European commission
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    but also to all of us here in the room
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    what can we do what do we contribute in
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    order to get Germany back to growth we
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    need G GDP growth in Germany not only in
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    the Telco and IT industry we need it
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    everywhere but clearly we need a new
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    mindset and with the mindset it starts
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    everything as said the Technologies are
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    where we have nationwide 5G networks
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    today that are not used from a
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    capability perspective we could run
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    completely uh fully automized industrial
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    um facilities we could have all data in
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    our Cloud today we could really leverage
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    and that's the basis also the benefit
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    from artificial intelligence to uh get
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    this going so from my perspective the
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    future is positive if we look to 2030
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    and if you want to comply with the 70%
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    of um digital GDP influenced growth I
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    think the biggest potential here sits in
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    Germany we just need to sign uh start
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    with the right mindsets then we will get
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    there because as said we will not make
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    the mistakes other have made if we not
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    start now and get the right sense of
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    urgency we have the best still in front
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    of us as said I I'm more positive uh in
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    these days and uh if we leverage all
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    what I've currently said the best will
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    come uh very soon and we have it still
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    in front of us thank you very much
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    [Applause]
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    [Music]
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    thank you very much Marcus har for U the
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    keynote and we're in the middle of a um
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    discussion or we're going to go into a
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    discussion that's quite logical after
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    longevity and AI we are going to discuss
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    uh the path for German's uh Eon for
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    Germany's economy but also we're are
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    looking at the the state of uh of
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    Germany a month uh before the federal
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    elections I'm very happy about uh an
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    exciting panel um that's here with
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    that's going to be here with uh us and
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    we're going to to discuss this from a
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    business standpoint as well as from a
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    politics standpoint and Marcos house is
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    already on the panel welcome again uh
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    great to have you wonderful got um
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    then I'm I'm very happy to uh um to
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    announce Mari langa uh and nothing could
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    stop us on this panel no trains no
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    Berlin airports and no personal injuries
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    a a special Applause for Mari Langer um
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    who's the who's the CEO of uh of
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    AOS uh and who's going to discuss with
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    us from the politics side I'm going to
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    uh announce dor be who's the deputy
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    chairwoman of the CDU CSU parliamentary
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    group welcome dor
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    be and last but not least Danielle bayas
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    who's the finance minister of the state
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    of B bber welcome Danel
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    [Music]
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    byas so we do have a couple of uh topics
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    and challenges uh to discuss today um
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    when we talk about competitiveness in
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    Germany we all are probably pretty
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    aligned um in the um analysis that uh we
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    could do a little better in Germany on
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    the uh business side and um and some
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    challenges and changes might be ahead of
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    us after the elections we are um coming
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    out of the second year where we had
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    negative growth in Germany and um and I
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    think it's it's time to discuss how to
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    improve that I want to start with you d
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    uh who could look at the situation you
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    know halfway from an external
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    perspective being an opposition
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    politician but who might be um taking
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    over responsibility very soon so what's
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    your analysis on what really need to be
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    done maybe in the first 100 days to
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    improve the situation in
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    Germany well thank you very much for
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    inviting me even in opposition that's
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    very kind um well I could start now
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    telling you what went wrong the last
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    three years I won't do that because we
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    are limited in time I don't have the
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    time
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    Danielle and
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    um I know I know but I think the most
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    important thing is for the last 37 days
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    till the 23rd of February that everyone
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    is fighting for their own programs I
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    think that's very important too but
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    afterwards we have to have analysis what
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    do we really need so for us it's first
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    of all economy economy economy and then
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    of course security migration those are
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    our big topics and then talking about
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    what Marcus has already said what's the
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    most important thing besides having a
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    new ministry or whatever but fighting
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    bureaucracy is one of the most important
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    things so I'm not only member of the
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    German bundestag the most important
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    thing is I'm the ambassador of German
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    Brad at the moment and so I am really
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    all over all um our bakeries in all of
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    Germany and not only the bakeries or the
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    small and medium Enterprises everyone
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    complains and they are really it's five
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    past 12 so bureaucracy is one of the
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    biggest things and yeah I think we have
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    to start with that and then cut taxes
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    and make energy cheaper and everything
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    Ides that but bureaucracy really kills
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    Innovation at the moment all that might
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    sound a little horrible to Daniel Bas
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    make energy cheaper um kill bureaucracy
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    um I'm I'm a bit provocative in that uh
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    point because those are obviously the
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    points where many people are pointing to
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    the green party and say you are the ones
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    who have made things come more
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    complicated what would you
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    reply I mean first of all I think the
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    times are too serious to point with
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    fingers at each other because we get
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    we're going to get out of this mess only
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    together
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    and let's let's have a look at the
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    economic situation Germany's not facing
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    growth since
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    2018 um we had a peace dividend because
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    we weren't involved in any conflicts in
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    the world we had a globalization
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    dividend because successful States like
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    Bavaria or the state of of B wenber were
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    selling cars all over the place and we
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    kind of leaned back and we thought we
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    had a successful business model and this
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    business model have been shocked by the
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    crisis by the economic events by War by
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    a pandemic and so on with the with the
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    last few years and the question is how
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    is a country that has been dominating
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    the Technologies of the 20th century
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    will be dominating Technologies of the
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    21st century I think this is the main
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    question and you can I mean this I don't
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    want to get over this but of course it's
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    important to understand what's happening
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    with Volkswagen what's happening with
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    tusen gr and so on but I think the music
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    especially is in current in in future
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    economic technological Fields Quantum
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    Technologies AI Green Tech biotech if we
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    want to compete on a global scale and b
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    w and Bavaria we are not competing with
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    SCH Holstein or Denmark but we are
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    competing on a global scale with shenzen
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    or or California so to say I think we
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    really have to become stronger in these
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    um uh more technological fields to
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    invest in R&D and I I I put my signature
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    under that what do said less
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    bureaucracy energy it has been an an and
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    topic we have lowered the energy prices
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    uh by now but let's face the truth
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    Germany will never be a very low cost
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    energy country it never has been and it
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    never will be so ex assuming that will
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    compete on steel and this is our
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    business model for the future for
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    example which is highly um um energy
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    intense I think this is uh not the the
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    way going forward but really dominating
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    Technologies of the 21st century I think
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    we have all the Stills that we need
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    scientific um and research um um
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    advantages highly Innovative companies
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    um from startups to big uh companies and
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    I think politics is not doing so bad I
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    think we have a lot of homework to do
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    but if we stick together I can I I'm I'm
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    imagine we will manage this and I agree
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    with um Mr hasset we still have the The
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    Best Is Yet To Come I want
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    to I want I want to take your aspect of
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    shenzen and the challenges that we are
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    facing with uh emerging economies uh
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    particularly China obviously Mari langa
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    and I met on a trip to China with the
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    chancellor uh earlier last year and um
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    the focus was very much on the
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    challenges on the of the car industry
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    obviously during that trip but um you
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    are facing your own challenges when it
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    comes to China in manufacturing but I
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    think it's pretty significant and it
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    tells quite a story about what needs to
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    happen so what's what was maybe your
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    essence of the trip and what is your
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    answer on the challenges that you are
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    facing with emerging economies like
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    China so I think it was said uh right
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    now that we had a very well functioning
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    business model that now is under attack
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    and uh uh due to many reasons for
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    example when we talk about our own
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    technology as a highly Innovative one
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    industrial 3D printing uh China and also
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    the US have very solid strong focus and
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    strategy from an industry perspective to
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    support these Technologies and to make
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    sure that they Thrive and they dominate
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    that market and uh so the the the
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    Mobility that we see now and and cars
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    coming from China we also experience it
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    of course on small levels in our
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    technology as we're not that big as the
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    car industry yet uh but we see the same
  • 00:14:40
    Tendencies and China is uh quite good we
  • 00:14:45
    can like it or not but in being very
  • 00:14:48
    clear how to develop their own economy
  • 00:14:51
    uh the US is very clear in how to make
  • 00:14:54
    sure we know it like made in the US uh
  • 00:14:57
    America first we can now from from a
  • 00:14:59
    philosophical point of view or mindset
  • 00:15:01
    point of view like it or not but this is
  • 00:15:03
    something that we're dealing with and so
  • 00:15:06
    in Europe we need to find ways to be
  • 00:15:09
    first of all super specific in uh
  • 00:15:12
    supporting Innovative technology
  • 00:15:14
    especially uh areas were said in other
  • 00:15:17
    areas but now looking at my domain
  • 00:15:20
    manufacturing technology because that
  • 00:15:22
    was always a backbone of our um of our
  • 00:15:26
    country here in Germany and there's so
  • 00:15:29
    many we have Trump we have uh us we have
  • 00:15:33
    slm there are like three players in the
  • 00:15:35
    3D printing area that are super strong
  • 00:15:38
    um and uh there can be really done way
  • 00:15:41
    more to really make sure how do we for
  • 00:15:43
    example in the defense area we can again
  • 00:15:45
    like it or not there's so much to gain
  • 00:15:48
    the US is uh putting so much money into
  • 00:15:51
    highly Innovative Technologies for
  • 00:15:53
    Industries like defense um we know we
  • 00:15:57
    need to be able to defend ourselves so
  • 00:15:59
    why don't we make sure that we also
  • 00:16:00
    connect that with really developing
  • 00:16:03
    highly Innovative Technologies we can
  • 00:16:05
    also look at Medicine of course we can
  • 00:16:06
    look at um space um SpaceX blue origin
  • 00:16:11
    um all the companies in the US who
  • 00:16:13
    really very well equipped um and now try
  • 00:16:16
    to enter Europe so what we really need
  • 00:16:19
    to do is having our own strategy to
  • 00:16:22
    maybe yes be more protective and I love
  • 00:16:25
    the global idea of um of working
  • 00:16:29
    together but it doesn't seem to work and
  • 00:16:31
    it doesn't seem to work with players
  • 00:16:33
    that we're facing right now so that's
  • 00:16:35
    why I think we really need to be aware
  • 00:16:37
    that Chinese companies are selling in
  • 00:16:39
    super certified markets in Germany their
  • 00:16:43
    technology and the companies don't care
  • 00:16:47
    because they have so much price pressure
  • 00:16:49
    in this recession that they go for lower
  • 00:16:52
    cost they don't go for higher quality
  • 00:16:54
    and they they risk that their IP is
  • 00:16:57
    going to China because we're not
  • 00:16:59
    supporting and protecting our own
  • 00:17:01
    markets and that I think is really
  • 00:17:03
    something we have to do and by the way
  • 00:17:05
    on the Travel the green party was
  • 00:17:08
    supporting that making sure that if
  • 00:17:11
    China wants to sell here we also need to
  • 00:17:13
    be able to sell there or at least they
  • 00:17:15
    need to understand that then we also
  • 00:17:17
    will regulate these markets more so um I
  • 00:17:20
    really feel that there has been a lot of
  • 00:17:23
    problems the last years but also good
  • 00:17:25
    good contributions and now also on the
  • 00:17:27
    political side we just need to make sure
  • 00:17:29
    to all work together to get this done
  • 00:17:33
    those are the
  • 00:17:37
    challenging those are the challenges in
  • 00:17:39
    in manufacturing that uh we've discussed
  • 00:17:42
    um uh in in largely last year and we
  • 00:17:45
    will continue to do so but there's a
  • 00:17:48
    level uh of maybe lacking Innovation or
  • 00:17:52
    lacking infrastructure that is also
  • 00:17:54
    quite significant we you have talked
  • 00:17:56
    about it um uh which is digital ization
  • 00:17:59
    and the question how can we uh as
  • 00:18:01
    Germany go back to the front of of the
  • 00:18:05
    innovation in that sector what would be
  • 00:18:07
    your expectation or maybe also what
  • 00:18:09
    makes you optimistic that we will go
  • 00:18:12
    back to to uh the top
  • 00:18:14
    position well first of all we have all
  • 00:18:17
    what we need it's not that we lack uh
  • 00:18:20
    resources I think we need to be bolder
  • 00:18:23
    because um we have now this example with
  • 00:18:26
    the electronic electron actors or with
  • 00:18:29
    the new um Health uh data platform
  • 00:18:32
    that's been built it's not perfect but
  • 00:18:34
    at least you need to get things started
  • 00:18:36
    and once you start you can implement it
  • 00:18:39
    and I think to this try and error we
  • 00:18:42
    need because it's not like in the 50s
  • 00:18:44
    where you build a car and it's super
  • 00:18:46
    perfect and you never need to go to the
  • 00:18:48
    to the facilities and maintenance
  • 00:18:50
    anymore we in a new world I think we
  • 00:18:52
    need to develop things and then things
  • 00:18:54
    get start momentum builds momentum and I
  • 00:18:57
    think we are as I said we not the Front
  • 00:18:59
    Runners in new tech adopting new
  • 00:19:00
    technologies in Europe and especially
  • 00:19:02
    not in Germany but I think that's the
  • 00:19:05
    way we will not turn back the clock the
  • 00:19:07
    world is getting digital things will be
  • 00:19:09
    in 10 years all data will be in the
  • 00:19:11
    cloud and we can now still wait and look
  • 00:19:14
    if there's a better or a safer solution
  • 00:19:16
    but if we don't get things started it
  • 00:19:18
    will not happen and yes there might also
  • 00:19:20
    go things wrong we will see backdrops
  • 00:19:23
    but this is what every country sees do
  • 00:19:25
    we believe that the Indian Cloud was
  • 00:19:27
    perfect from the first stay or in
  • 00:19:29
    Estonia no they also had issues and
  • 00:19:31
    problem it's a bumpy road but we need to
  • 00:19:34
    start in the mindset to get things going
  • 00:19:36
    and this is the only way to get rid of
  • 00:19:38
    the bureaucracy is that we really go
  • 00:19:41
    digital only and then you will find
  • 00:19:43
    solution that it's getting simpler and
  • 00:19:45
    this is why is not 50% of the success
  • 00:19:48
    will be
  • 00:19:49
    mindset I think that's a wonderful Point
  • 00:19:52
    um that I would like to hand over to to
  • 00:19:53
    D the mindset also means uh I guess
  • 00:19:57
    after the the elections and when a new
  • 00:19:59
    government comes in I think we you might
  • 00:20:02
    agree that we need a mindset that is
  • 00:20:04
    open for reform and open to change
  • 00:20:07
    things and maybe not be scared of an
  • 00:20:09
    immediate uh debate that that might
  • 00:20:12
    follow but still really stick to what's
  • 00:20:15
    important and what's uh what needs to be
  • 00:20:17
    done what what's your take on that do
  • 00:20:19
    you think um politics can get back to
  • 00:20:23
    the stage of being courageous in in what
  • 00:20:27
    uh what needs to be done
  • 00:20:29
    I think we have to because otherwise you
  • 00:20:31
    just have to take um the few over to
  • 00:20:34
    Austria what happens if you don't do it
  • 00:20:37
    if you don't address all of the
  • 00:20:39
    elephants in the building in the room
  • 00:20:42
    and I'm really grateful what Marcus has
  • 00:20:44
    said just do it so of course the APO
  • 00:20:47
    will not be perfect at the beginning but
  • 00:20:49
    the fear our people are having oh I
  • 00:20:51
    don't trust my government um I'd rather
  • 00:20:54
    put all my data on some American
  • 00:20:57
    companies I trust them way more than my
  • 00:20:59
    German government and when we had the
  • 00:21:01
    so-called Corona Varn app so um I was in
  • 00:21:04
    charge back then um as one of the
  • 00:21:07
    players in the government back then it
  • 00:21:09
    was really a big big discussion what are
  • 00:21:11
    they doing with my data and is it really
  • 00:21:13
    only for the warning um in the corona
  • 00:21:17
    app and so I think it's important to
  • 00:21:20
    just begin I I like the American
  • 00:21:23
    sentence do it now say sorry later and
  • 00:21:27
    maybe we have too many people people who
  • 00:21:29
    studied law in the government or in the
  • 00:21:31
    parliaments sorry for all of you um who
  • 00:21:35
    did that I just married someone um so I
  • 00:21:39
    think we really have to do it quicker
  • 00:21:41
    faster and then I'm I'm sure we can do
  • 00:21:45
    that and I'm sitting next to a party in
  • 00:21:48
    the government who really wants to go
  • 00:21:51
    back in the 40s of the last
  • 00:21:54
    century and that's why I think it's so
  • 00:21:57
    important that our country is working
  • 00:21:59
    that it's running that we are having the
  • 00:22:01
    growth that we are having success
  • 00:22:03
    because otherwise now it's not the
  • 00:22:05
    problem 2025 but 2029 will be a bigger
  • 00:22:08
    problem otherwise I I want
  • 00:22:13
    to I want to ask a question that surely
  • 00:22:15
    is not your favorite question but I have
  • 00:22:17
    to ask it because if we are thinking
  • 00:22:20
    about working together Daniel bayas I
  • 00:22:23
    take your your statement of saying we
  • 00:22:25
    need to get things done together why do
  • 00:22:29
    politicians maybe also in Bavaria um
  • 00:22:32
    waste so much time on discussing what
  • 00:22:34
    Coalition is not possible in a
  • 00:22:38
    situation in a situation where where
  • 00:22:42
    where maybe even if there are
  • 00:22:44
    significant difference differences those
  • 00:22:47
    positions need to be overcome and why is
  • 00:22:50
    it for journalists the most important
  • 00:22:52
    question because because it answers what
  • 00:22:54
    kind of government will face the
  • 00:22:56
    challenges that we've been discussing
  • 00:22:58
    here
  • 00:22:59
    I don't think so I really I have to
  • 00:23:01
    really disagree because the most
  • 00:23:03
    important thing first of all is that we
  • 00:23:05
    are all fighting for our programs and no
  • 00:23:09
    one in my party or in our um CDU CSU
  • 00:23:13
    Committee in the parliament wanted to be
  • 00:23:15
    in opposition but I think we adopted the
  • 00:23:17
    opposition quite well and it was good
  • 00:23:19
    for us I'm a very positive person it was
  • 00:23:22
    very good for us because we could make
  • 00:23:24
    clear over the over the last three years
  • 00:23:27
    what would we do with a 100% CDU CSU
  • 00:23:31
    program and in my constituency for
  • 00:23:33
    example I'm not asked every day who are
  • 00:23:36
    you going with and the election starts
  • 00:23:40
    on February 8th or 9th when you are
  • 00:23:43
    allowed to go voting um the the last two
  • 00:23:48
    weeks before the election takes place
  • 00:23:50
    and then it depends of all of you who
  • 00:23:53
    are you going to vote for and then later
  • 00:23:56
    on so the only thing we said is no none
  • 00:23:59
    of our parties will ever do a coalition
  • 00:24:02
    with the right with the far far right
  • 00:24:05
    and um not with the um other far right
  • 00:24:08
    on the left BSW on the national level
  • 00:24:12
    but the other things for us in Bavaria
  • 00:24:14
    are quite clear of course we talked with
  • 00:24:17
    each other so Daniel and I we were
  • 00:24:19
    together in Parliament and I can admit
  • 00:24:21
    that that we like each other and we are
  • 00:24:23
    discussing with each other but at the
  • 00:24:25
    moment from The Experience over the last
  • 00:24:28
    three years my party leader said not
  • 00:24:30
    with those greens at the moment the
  • 00:24:33
    party leader of our sister party says it
  • 00:24:35
    in a different way but that after an
  • 00:24:38
    election everyone has to sit together
  • 00:24:41
    and talk to each other is the one thing
  • 00:24:43
    but I think you can say who you prefer
  • 00:24:45
    and who do you not prefer absolutely but
  • 00:24:47
    uh I'm asking this to you too because
  • 00:24:49
    you are younger generation
  • 00:24:52
    politicians who you who are no but I
  • 00:24:55
    mean let's let's let's face this who who
  • 00:24:57
    who also create a new culture maybe of
  • 00:25:00
    collaboration and this is also some a
  • 00:25:03
    point of our idea Daniel Bas um if you
  • 00:25:06
    would create a sort of 100 day program
  • 00:25:09
    and you know immediate uh measurements
  • 00:25:12
    that uh would need to be done what would
  • 00:25:14
    be maybe the two or three major
  • 00:25:17
    points let me be honest on this one I've
  • 00:25:20
    been now in office for three years on an
  • 00:25:23
    executive job and I got rid of these 100
  • 00:25:27
    day programs because the first 100 day I
  • 00:25:30
    wanted kind of I I wanted to kind of
  • 00:25:32
    survive and understand what my job is
  • 00:25:35
    because you're raising the bar and if if
  • 00:25:37
    politics is raising the bar each time we
  • 00:25:40
    will we will we will not succeed but um
  • 00:25:44
    because this something that wol gang
  • 00:25:45
    scho was passed away a year ago and who
  • 00:25:48
    I admire a lot has said politics is not
  • 00:25:52
    we let me let me quote it in German or
  • 00:25:56
    better called in badish yeah um he he
  • 00:26:07
    said but you go there um uh where really
  • 00:26:12
    really people are being drawn into
  • 00:26:13
    responsibility because we need all of
  • 00:26:15
    you with with this politics won't solve
  • 00:26:18
    it h politics won't solve it on its own
  • 00:26:20
    so we have to uh form the guidelines but
  • 00:26:23
    we need of course um the power of
  • 00:26:25
    companies of the Civil Society civil
  • 00:26:27
    societ and so on but to answer your
  • 00:26:30
    question um I as I mentioned I think we
  • 00:26:33
    have an um economic crisis we have a
  • 00:26:35
    structural crisis Germany has all the
  • 00:26:38
    tool all the tools on the table we are
  • 00:26:40
    still a very successful country right
  • 00:26:44
    and still I think we need to work on our
  • 00:26:46
    business model so a big reform package
  • 00:26:49
    when it comes to Social Security on
  • 00:26:52
    taxes on work incentives R&D and new
  • 00:26:56
    technologies and and we have mentioned
  • 00:26:59
    this earlier I think we have to innovate
  • 00:27:01
    our government and our Administration
  • 00:27:03
    from the inside so I'm the I'm the boss
  • 00:27:05
    so to say I'm so to I'm I'm the boss so
  • 00:27:08
    to say of a a tax uh Administration
  • 00:27:11
    20,000 people a third of them will
  • 00:27:14
    retire in the next eight years this is
  • 00:27:16
    basically the day after tomorrow so uh
  • 00:27:20
    we we will only catch up if we uh use
  • 00:27:22
    more AI you more automation if we use
  • 00:27:26
    more data and not only in the text
  • 00:27:28
    Administration but also in the healthc
  • 00:27:29
    care system um in in heidleberg my
  • 00:27:32
    hometown there is the the The deut Cribs
  • 00:27:35
    foring Center German Center of cancer
  • 00:27:37
    research brilliant researchers but they
  • 00:27:41
    are say saying we are being hindered by
  • 00:27:43
    German data protection but we want to
  • 00:27:45
    fight uh to fight cancer I mean this is
  • 00:27:47
    the next moonshot of tomorrow so if you
  • 00:27:50
    want to keep up with the speed out there
  • 00:27:52
    in the world and Maria's pointed out
  • 00:27:54
    that correctly I think we need to
  • 00:27:56
    innovate the government from the inside
  • 00:27:57
    and this starts with the culture of
  • 00:28:00
    trial and error because our current
  • 00:28:02
    culture and actually we as politicians
  • 00:28:04
    we are not so we we we are doing it
  • 00:28:07
    unfortunately the very same way we're
  • 00:28:09
    having a negative way of trial and error
  • 00:28:12
    if you make an error the first question
  • 00:28:14
    somebody asked in Germany whose fault is
  • 00:28:16
    it whose head need to be cut off rather
  • 00:28:19
    than asking how do we fix it how do we
  • 00:28:22
    do it better tomorrow and I think we can
  • 00:28:24
    learn from each other and let me qu let
  • 00:28:25
    me um finish up with one quote I'm as I
  • 00:28:28
    mentioned I'm from the city of
  • 00:28:29
    heidleberg the philosopher g once said a
  • 00:28:33
    good
  • 00:28:38
    conversation and if this is would be
  • 00:28:40
    like the political style I think we
  • 00:28:42
    would be way further in achieving these
  • 00:28:45
    goals this is this is almost a wonderful
  • 00:28:47
    finishing we need to stop in a few
  • 00:28:50
    minutes because Doro be needs to jump on
  • 00:28:52
    a train uh and and we will respect that
  • 00:28:55
    so very very short questions uh to to
  • 00:28:57
    you Mari langa and to you Marcos H I
  • 00:29:00
    would be interested if your expectation
  • 00:29:03
    or your assumption would be that
  • 00:29:06
    politics could deliver better policies
  • 00:29:09
    with a digit Ministry for digital
  • 00:29:11
    Affairs that we only had halfway um uh
  • 00:29:16
    this time and uh and Marcus has also
  • 00:29:19
    maybe your question what your
  • 00:29:21
    expectation would be for for politics
  • 00:29:24
    with for the new government for the
  • 00:29:26
    first steps that need to be taken we
  • 00:29:28
    need really a short answer because
  • 00:29:29
    otherwise do need to jump off stage
  • 00:29:32
    before okay so to be really quick of
  • 00:29:34
    course digitization is something super
  • 00:29:36
    important so they need to be uh uh
  • 00:29:38
    competent people taking care of that
  • 00:29:40
    also in in on the government but my wish
  • 00:29:43
    would be and I touched baseed on that
  • 00:29:45
    very early on and it fits very well to
  • 00:29:48
    what you just said like let's not focus
  • 00:29:50
    on who did what and why and whatever we
  • 00:29:54
    have like it's it's it's really yes
  • 00:29:57
    there's a lot of opportunity unties
  • 00:29:58
    going forward but we really have to get
  • 00:30:00
    the next one right we know this in our
  • 00:30:02
    businesses and we know it for politics
  • 00:30:05
    so now it's really about collaborating
  • 00:30:07
    it's not about who gets voted who gets
  • 00:30:09
    the most votes it's just about let's
  • 00:30:11
    make sure that this populists out there
  • 00:30:13
    don't get it whoever else I don't care
  • 00:30:17
    but then let's do the job and maras your
  • 00:30:21
    final word for a wish maybe for the next
  • 00:30:24
    government well a big Lighthouse could
  • 00:30:25
    be that we all get a digital ID by the
  • 00:30:28
    end of the year I think the industry has
  • 00:30:30
    worked very close but we never really
  • 00:30:32
    did it because there have been still
  • 00:30:33
    been concerns because everybody would
  • 00:30:35
    see any everybody who gets a a digital
  • 00:30:38
    ID that something is really happening in
  • 00:30:40
    the country and we really mean it
  • 00:30:42
    serious that we want to bring the
  • 00:30:44
    country to the next level thank you so
  • 00:30:46
    much um I want to thank you I want to
  • 00:30:48
    say this is uh this has not been a
  • 00:30:50
    discussion that could cover all the
  • 00:30:52
    aspects that would need to be discussed
  • 00:30:54
    but rather it is a starting point for
  • 00:30:56
    discussions that maybe you
  • 00:30:58
    can continue now um I thank you so much
  • 00:31:00
    for coming here on tight chain schedules
  • 00:31:04
    dor be I thank you Daniel Bas Mari langa
  • 00:31:07
    and maros Har for a discussion that I
  • 00:31:09
    think had some optimism in it and uh the
  • 00:31:12
    idea of of bringing together things that
  • 00:31:13
    maybe need to be brought together to
  • 00:31:15
    tackle the challenges that are ahead of
  • 00:31:17
    us thank you so much for listening and
  • 00:31:19
    hope to discuss very soon
  • 00:31:21
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