Becoming As Ethical As We Think We Are | Morgan Hamel | TEDxYYC

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Summary

TLDRThis talk explores the complexities of ethical decision-making, emphasizing that what is considered ethical often depends on personal circumstances and self-interest. It uses the example of Andy Fastow from Enron, who believed himself ethical while contributing to a massive scandal, as well as the speaker's own journey with egg donation. The narrative underscores that individuals often fail to recognize the ethical dimensions of their decisions until they are personally affected. The speaker argues for a greater acknowledgment of the grey areas in ethics, especially in the fashion industry, where influencers, consumers, and brands are challenged to make better ethical choices. They advocate for a model that supports ethical consumption and production in the fashion space, ultimately leading to better decisions and outcomes for all involved.

Takeaways

  • πŸ€” Ethics is rarely black-and-white.
  • πŸ’Ό Andy Fastow's story illustrates the complexities of business ethics.
  • πŸ‘Ά Personal experiences can challenge our ethical beliefs.
  • πŸ‘— The fashion industry's ethical dilemmas are prevalent.
  • πŸ” Self-interest often overshadows ethical reasoning.
  • πŸ™ Acknowledging the grey areas in ethics can lead to better decisions.
  • πŸ‘« Building community encourages ethical behavior.
  • πŸ›οΈ Consumers often compromise ethics for convenience or desire.
  • πŸ“Š Corporate ethics need transparency and accountability.
  • 🌍 Ethical consumption can drive positive change.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker reflects on a talk given by former Enron CFO Andy Fastow, who discusses the ethical dilemmas he faced during his career that led to his involvement in a massive fraud scandal. The speaker relates their own experiences in ethics within a corporate environment and acknowledges that ethical decisions are often not clear-cut until one is personally involved in a situation, highlighting the complex nature of human motivations in ethical decision-making.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Expanding the discussion to the fashion industry, the speaker shares their journey towards a more ethical lifestyle after taking a sewing class. They founded a company aimed at promoting responsible fashion but also critique the current dynamics of influencers, consumers, and brands in the fashion economy, illustrating the challenges and compromises made due to self-interest and perception of ethics.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:16:31

    Finally, the speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing the tension between self-interest and ethical considerations. They describe how their business model aims to facilitate ethical decisions for consumers and brands alike. Concluding with their personal experience with egg donation, they illustrate how engaging with ethical questions can lead to informed choices and ultimately positive outcomes, reaffirming the notion that ethical considerations are complex but essential.

Mind Map

Video Q&A

  • Who is Andy Fastow?

    Andy Fastow is the former CFO of Enron, who was involved in the company’s financial scandal.

  • What scandal did Enron face?

    Enron faced one of the biggest business ethics scandals in history, resulting in a $40 billion downfall.

  • What did the speaker learn about ethics during their Master's program?

    The speaker learned that ethical decisions are rarely black-and-white and can be influenced by personal circumstances.

  • How does self-interest affect ethical decision-making?

    Self-interest can cloud judgment and lead individuals to make decisions that contradict their moral standards.

  • What is the focus of the garment business model mentioned?

    The garment business model focuses on connecting consumers with quality, responsibly made fashion at accessible prices.

  • What was the outcome of the speaker's journey regarding egg donation?

    After navigating their ethical concerns, the speaker successfully pursued egg donation and now has two daughters.

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    a couple of months ago I had the
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    opportunity to see Andy Fastow former
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    chief financial officer of Enron speak
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    he began his talk by saying that he was
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    raised in a very ethical home and that
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    when he was at Enron he thought he was a
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    very ethical person and he also said he
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    holds himself most responsible for
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    Enron's forty billion dollar downfall
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    arguably the biggest business ethics
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    scandal in history for his role in that
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    scandal he faced seventy eight counts of
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    fraud and spent six years in jail and he
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    began his talk by holding his trophy for
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    CFO of the year in one hand and his
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    prison card in the other and told the
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    story of how he got both in the same
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    year well some might see this is just
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    another example of the greed of big
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    business my experience tells me that
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    this leaves something out you see I too
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    used to think I was really ethical in
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    fact if there's anyone who should have
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    been at achill it was me
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    I studied ethics in University and spent
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    six years working in the ethics office
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    of a large corporation as part of my
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    role there I routinely answered
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    questions from employees I was on the
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    ethics side of the desk they were on the
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    business side and because I wasn't
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    actually in the situation it was easy
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    for me to say no and then something
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    happened that made me realize that the
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    ethical choice isn't always clear and
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    that sometimes we don't do the thing we
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    think we will do when we are actually in
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    it I went to do my Master's in Utrecht
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    University in the Netherlands we
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    routinely did case studies
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    one of these was about the ethics of egg
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    donation it was the first time I had
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    ever heard the term which for those who
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    don't know involves an intense process
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    or one woman donates her eggs to help
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    another woman conceive things are
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    relatively clear for known donors where
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    the woman is a sister or friend but when
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    it comes to the compensation of
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    anonymous donors the ethical waters get
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    muddy i sat in my classroom table
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    windmills out the window and used my
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    training and ethical theory to consider
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    all the factors I thought through the
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    possible impact to the donors fertility
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    and the risks of financial compensation
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    might have her her ability to make an
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    informed choice and in response to this
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    particular case study question about
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    whether or not it is ethical to
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    compensate an egg donor for her eggs
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    I said no fast forward six months my
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    husband and I returned from the
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    Netherlands to start our next adventure
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    starting a family when things weren't
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    going as planned I went to the doctor
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    for some tests I can still feel it the
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    feeling of dread in my stomach as we
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    waited to see the specialist a deep
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    knowing that the doctor was going to
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    confirm something I'd known intuitively
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    for some time Morgan he said tears in
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    his eyes your tests confirm the
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    diagnosis there's a less than 5% chance
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    they go get pregnant on your own and if
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    you want a baby egg donation is your
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    best option it is one thing to say
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    something is that ethical when you're
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    sitting on one side of the desk or
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    writing a case study it is something
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    entirely different
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    when ethics seems to stand between you
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    and the thing you want more than
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    anything you've ever wanted in your
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    entire life what I want to suggest is
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    that ethics is
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    rarely black-and-white and that we have
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    a better chance of making better
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    decisions if we realize this is the case
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    and I've courageously into the gray the
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    fact that Andy saw himself as ethical
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    while at Enron and that I found it easy
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    to judge situations as unethical until I
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    was in them myself teaches us something
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    important which is that as humans our
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    motivations are mixed we are both moral
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    and self-interested and this means two
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    things first we often don't see the
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    ethical aspects of our decisions and
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    second we often don't make the decision
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    we thought we would even if we do so why
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    does this matter
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    it matters because individuals and
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    corporations are making far fewer
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    tangible improvements in ethics than we
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    would be if this was understood so even
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    though it feels like we're going a world
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    away from Enron an egg donation I want
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    you to stick with me as we look at the
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    implications of this in my world which
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    is no longer ethics corporate ethics but
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    the ethics of fashion a few years after
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    returning for home from the Netherlands
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    I took a sewing class my first project
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    was a blue dress I chose the pattern cut
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    the fabric pinned and stitched it and as
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    I did so I began to think embarrassingly
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    for the first time about who made my
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    clothes this question led me to start
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    the garment a company whose mission is
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    to change the face of fashion by
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    connecting women and responsible brands
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    we search the world to find the
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    beautiful quality responsibly made
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    pieces we shoot these garments on real
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    women of all colors shapes and sizes and
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    we connect them to our community members
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    with a discount and we do almost all of
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    it on Instagram
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    Instagram is growing with shocking
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    ferocity and is in my view the new mall
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    with a strong potential to be an ethical
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    one there are hundreds of thousands of
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    people interested in buying ethical
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    things hundreds of thousands of
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    companies who consider themselves to be
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    ethical and hundreds of thousands of
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    influencers connecting them over the
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    Internet
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    this is great you might think we can use
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    this to help shift the fashion world
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    from one that is fast and excessive to
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    one that is slower and more sustainable
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    not so fast
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    think back to what we learnt at the
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    start about how difficult it is for us
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    to see the ethical aspects of our
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    decisions or make the decision we
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    thought we would even if we do so let's
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    look at the implications of this for the
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    three main players in this new fashion
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    economy influencers consumers and brands
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    first influencers last fall social media
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    influencers arrived decked out cell
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    phones in hand to a beautiful storefront
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    in Santa Monica to attend the launch of
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    a new luxury store called pale SE
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    unbeknownst to them it was actually a
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    trick and the store was filled with $35
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    payless shoes they're elegant and
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    sophisticated said one influencer
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    holding up a shoe with a $500 price tag
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    I could tell they were made from
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    high-quality material said another now I
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    don't think these influencers were
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    misleading people intentionally it's
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    just that the fancy store paired with
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    the fact that they were being
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    compensated made them actually think the
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    shoes were pretty good next let's look
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    at consumers show of hands who here
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    thinks sweatshop labor is wrong yeah me
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    too well what have I told you then it
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    all likelihood both of us are pretty
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    willing to toss that out the window when
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    we see something from a sweatshop that
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    we want in her study titled sweatshop
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    labor is wrong unless the shoes
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    cute near Oprah haria showed that we're
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    before seeing a cute pair of shoes
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    people like us simply say that sweatshop
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    labor is wrong
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    whereas afterwards they modify their
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    morals and justify the purchase they do
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    this by telling themselves that the
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    sweatshop labor results in jobs that
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    wouldn't otherwise be available to
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    people in poor countries and also in
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    products that wouldn't otherwise be
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    affordable to low income people sound
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    familiar
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    yeah I've done it too lastly let's look
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    at brands many of us are familiar with
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    the term green washing which is used to
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    describe brands that exaggerate their
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    environmental commitment in recent years
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    I have watched size washing grow this
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    appeared to be the case last year when a
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    well-known sustainable brand announced
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    their launch into the plus-size market
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    with an inclusive sizing collection the
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    move was celebrated by plus-sized women
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    around the globe
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    unfortunately perhaps due to fears about
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    the financial viability of the plus-size
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    market their commitment seemed to stop
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    there the number of plus-size dresses on
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    their website was at one point dwarfed
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    by the company's New Year's Eve dress
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    collection leaving all the women who at
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    first felt excited thinking WTF now
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    don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing
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    these three players for behaving the way
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    they do I'm only using them to show that
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    most times because of our desire to
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    either make or save money and our
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    perception that ethics is a threat to
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    that those of us who think we're pretty
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    ethical don't always live up to our own
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    standards the effect of this in the
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    fashion space is this influencers are so
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    swayed by their compensation that we
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    can't really trust them consumers will
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    only buy ethical fashion if it's cheap
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    enough and right in front of them and
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    brands make the ethical changes they
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    think they can afford and publicize the
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    hell out of it the result is that the
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    cycle of relatively poor quality
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    fast-fashion continues this is
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    discouraging and thankfully we can do
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    better
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    I built the garment on the understanding
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    that ethics is in black and white and my
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    experience tells me that we have the
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    best chance of building a better story
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    if we acknowledge the tension between
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    ethics and self-interest and dive
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    vulnerably
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    into the grey here's what this looks
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    like when I'm standing at the mall I
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    know that I'm a person who says like you
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    that's what child labor is wrong I also
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    know that the fact that these shoes are
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    cute is going to make me want to think
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    that buying them is okay simply the act
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    of realizing that my self-interest has a
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    role here can be enough to snap me out
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    of it I can remind myself of this at the
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    mall but also at the office when I'm
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    preparing my financial results or when
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    standing in a group of friends trying to
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    decide whether to speak up after someone
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    tells a racist joke or when I'm standing
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    in front of the kitchen sink trying to
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    decide whether to wash out the peanut
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    butter jar before putting it in
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    recycling if all of us acknowledge this
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    tension between ethics and self-interest
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    were in a better position to do better
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    if we have the courage to acknowledge
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    this tension in community my experience
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    tells me that it not only results in a
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    special type of human connection but
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    also an ethical ripple effect this
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    simply is impossible if we make these
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    hard decisions on our own now these
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    decisions still aren't easy but the
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    garments business model helps make them
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    just a little bit easier by making the
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    economics of ethics work when brands
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    like the New Year's Eve dress company
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    say that they can't afford more
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    inclusive sizing the garment sponsors
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    those larger patterns and helps the
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    brand's make more money and bigger
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    ethical shifts by selling those new and
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    improved larger garments to members of
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    our community when individual consumers
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    say that ethical fashion
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    is too expensive too hard to find and
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    not cute enough we find the cute quality
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    responsibly made things and connect them
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    to our community members with a discount
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    something which makes it easier for them
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    to follow through on their anti
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    sweatshop labor convictions the model
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    helps make it easier for people and
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    companies to behave the way we they want
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    to and it works
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    last year in its first corporate year
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    the government did over 1 million
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    dollars in responsible garment sales
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    I want to come back to Andy from Enron
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    intrigued by how someone as smart as
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    Andy could get himself in a situation
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    where he spent six years in prison I
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    sent him a message hi Morgan he
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    responded yes I don't think the
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    challenge is getting people to do the
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    right thing 99% of us always want to do
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    the right thing the challenge is even
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    realizing we have this decision to make
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    what we've learned here today is that
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    that's hard to see because of our
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    self-interest and that we can be better
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    when we realize this is the case
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    speaking of which you might be wondering
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    what happened with the egg donation we
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    spent the first few months after our
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    appointment with a specialist grieving
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    then I acknowledge the tension between
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    my ethical concerns for the donors
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    well-being and our self-interested
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    yearning for a baby open my heart and
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    open I emailed a friend from the
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    Netherlands who has her PhD in bioethics
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    and together we drafted a series of
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    robust questions about compensation and
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    informed consent which my husband and I
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    proceeded to ask every clinic we looked
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    at in addition to questions about ethics
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    we also asked them questions about their
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    success rates and didn't stop until we
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    found one with high levels of both and
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    in case you're wondering it cost more
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    the quality and ethical things usually
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    do so that blue dress I told you I made
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    in the sewing class it was for my
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    daughter
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    her sister now wears it
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    and because of our dive into the gray we
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    have not one wonderful daughter
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    by two
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    you
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  • Ethics
  • Enron
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