Fernando Alonso Exclusive: Inside The Mind Of A World Champion

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Summary

TLDRIn a candid interview, Formula One driver Fernando Alonso discusses the ups and downs of his illustrious career. Growing up in a non-competitive family, Alonso began karting at age three, inspired by his father's fascination with motorsport. Despite early struggles, his competitive spirit led him to become one of the fastest drivers on the track. In Formula One, Alonso speaks to the need for relentless self-discipline and the ability to manage expectations, often approaching each race with robotic precision. Despite achieving success, Alonso regrets not savoring his victories enough, prompting a new appreciation for the value of enjoying the journey, not just the result. He shares insights on managing self-doubt, learning from failures, and the importance of humility, instilled by his family. As Alonso eyes future goals, like winning a third world title or a victory in the Dakar Rally, he stresses the significance of staying grounded and focused while staying open to new challenges and experiences.

Takeaways

  • 🏆 Focus on high performance by exceeding expectations.
  • 🏎️ Approach racing with robotic precision and thorough preparation.
  • 🇮🇹 Regret missing out on a championship with Ferrari in 2010 and 2012.
  • 🌍 Gained new perspective on Formula One after stepping away temporarily.
  • 😌 Uses humility, instilled by family, to stay grounded.
  • 🔥 Competitive spirit developed naturally, not learned from family.
  • 🎯 Failures are stepping stones to future success.
  • 🧠 Self-confidence and technical knowledge are key to handling pressure.
  • 🔄 Constantly learning, even from other racing disciplines.
  • 🏁 Enjoying the process is as important as the result.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Fernando Alonso reflects on his early career, recalling his lack of memories from winning championships in Brazil in 2005 and 2006. He discusses the self-belief he had entering Formula One at the time when Michael Schumacher was dominant, and his approach to racing with a "kamikaze" mindset, suggesting he never doubted his ability to compete given equal equipment. The conversation sets the stage for a discussion of his insights on performance and motivation.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Alonso shares his perspective on high performance, associating it with Formula One and delivering beyond expectations. He emphasizes the importance of finding 'a little extra' compared to competitors, and pursuing continuous self-improvement. Despite turning 41, he doesn't find this pursuit tiring, seeing it as a lifelong way of living driven by pure motivation. Family ties hint at an early beginning to his racing career and the unlikely push from his non-competitive family background, which remains a mystery to him.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Alonso recounts his first experience in a go-kart at age three, reflecting on early perceptions of risk within his family. He discusses the motorsport family's unique risk tolerance and parallels this with the progression into higher-stakes racing contexts, acknowledging the critical support from his humble family background. Alonso hints at motivation derived from necessity, given their humble financial beginnings, and the pivotal moments that propelled him to international racing.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Alonso opens up about the pressure that accompanied expectations during his career, specifically recalling a critical moment in 1997 when prior success prompted an intense need to perform well. He describes his method of managing pressure through self-confidence and an intricate knowledge of the technical and strategic elements surrounding a race, which provides a comforting sense of control. His approach underscores preparation as a key to confidence and delivering performance.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Discussing his meticulous preparation routine, Alonso explains how detailed race-day plans enable him to operate with robotic precision, minimizing emotion and focusing on executing strategies to see the checkered flag first. This thorough pre-race understanding allows him to quickly adapt to unexpected scenarios during races, showcasing how preparation helps transcend surprises and maintain focus under pressure.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Alonso touches upon his career longevity and evolution, revealing how his methodical planning extends to both racing and personal life. His approach facilitates maintaining motivation and extracting optimum performance, even in a demanding sport like Formula One. Acknowledging the influence of perception from his temporary retreat from Formula One, Alonso reflects on the importance of gratitude and maintaining awareness of the sport's broader role beyond personal endeavor.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Alonso discusses the stark differences he observed between Formula One and other motorsport disciplines, praising the pure nature of endurance racing, like Le Mans, and the cultural aspects of events like the Dakar Rally. He reflects on stepping away from Formula One, noting how public perception and his self-awareness of the sport's allure evolved, leading to a more open and appreciative interaction with fans and media upon his return.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Alonso admits to a lack of enjoyment earlier in his career due to an intense focus on performance and progression, a perspective altered by his break from the sport. Now, he embraces celebration and derives more satisfaction from achievements, recognizing the dual capacity to enjoy competition while remaining committed to excellence. He acknowledges the potential impact of such an attitude on his performance.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Alonso offers insights into his in-race cognitive processing, emphasizing the importance of comprehensive preparation for identifying and exploiting opportunities during races. His awareness of rivals' actions stems from an internalized strategic framework, enabling quick assessments and decisions. This cognitive agility is rooted in an ongoing commitment to refine and apply personal and technical prowess.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Reflecting on managing disappointments throughout his career, Alonso highlights the necessity of failures as learning tools that fuel future successes. He stresses the importance of planning, self-awareness, and team trust to ensure growth, indicating that dealing with failure requires dedication to personal and team improvement strategies. Past struggles, while difficult, are viewed as integral to fortifying competitive resilience.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:58:07

    Alonso recognizes that his failure to clinch a championship with Ferrari represents a significant moment of disappointment, but he regrets more his lack of enjoyment throughout his career. Although he views these disappointments as learning experiences, he emphasizes a desire to relish each moment more fully moving forward. Balancing professional ambition with personal happiness, Alonso focuses on potential future pursuits, such as racing in the Dakar Rally, while maintaining enjoyment of the present.

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Video Q&A

  • How does Fernando Alonso handle self-doubt?

    Alonso claims he has little self-doubt, maintaining high self-confidence. He acknowledges his limitations but avoids activities where he feels less competent.

  • What did Alonso learn when he stepped away from Formula One?

    He realized the love and support from fans and gained a broader perspective on the sport's appeal. He learned the importance of enjoying the experience and understanding the value of fan interaction.

  • What does Alonso consider his biggest career disappointment?

    His biggest disappointment was not winning a championship with Ferrari, particularly in 2010 and 2012 when he was very close.

  • How does Alonso prepare for a race?

    He prepares meticulously, memorizing strategies and scenarios to become like a "robot" during the race, focusing solely on executing the plan for the fastest result.

  • How did Alonso start his racing career?

    Alonso started racing go-karts at the age of three. His father, a former go-kart driver, helped him begin his career by building a small kart for him.

  • Why does Alonso emphasize humility?

    Alonso values humility as it is a lesson passed down from his family, keeping him grounded despite his success and fame.

  • What motivates Alonso to improve daily?

    Alonso sees high performance as achieving beyond expectations and constantly finding ways to improve, seeing it as a lifelong pursuit beyond motorsport.

  • How does Alonso deal with failures?

    He views failures as necessary for growth, using disappointments as lessons to improve for future challenges.

  • What has Alonso gained from trying other motorsport disciplines?

    He learned to adapt and sharpen his skills, appreciating the pure motorsport elements found in disciplines like Le Mans and Dakar.

  • How does Alonso manage external expectations?

    By maintaining self-confidence and staying well-prepared with thorough knowledge of every aspect of the race, allowing him to manage pressure effectively.

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  • 00:00:00
    - I won the championship in Brazil 2005 and six,.
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    and I hardly remember anything from those afternoons
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    and nights, which is sad.
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    - [Jake] This week on "High Performance,"
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    (race car engine buzzing) we welcome Fernando Alonso.
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    - When I got to Formula One,
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    Michael Schumacher was dominating the sport,
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    but I never thought that I was slower than him in a way.
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    Maybe it was just a kamikaze approach to Formula One
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    and to my start of my career,
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    but, you know, I never doubt of having the same car.
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    Maybe I could challenge him.
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    - Just give us a small bit of insight into
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    what's going on in your mind.
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    Your final thoughts as you're closing the visor,
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    what's the process at that point?
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    - It's just executing the race as a robot.
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    - What remains the biggest disappointment that you used
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    as fuel at the time to push you forward?
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    - Winning a championship with Ferrari,
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    that will be probably the first thing that I choose
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    if I can go back in time.
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    2010, 2012, we were winning few laps
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    to winning a championship.
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    It is extremely painful when you remove the helmet
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    and you are not on the podium
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    and you see others celebrating
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    and you know, it is something
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    that you cannot digest sometimes for few hours.
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    - What is the hidden cost of your achievements
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    of living the life that you live?
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    Fernando, thank you very much for joining us.
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    - Thank you.
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    - So when I say high performance, what do you think of?
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    - I think many things.
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    First of all, Formula One because it's the expression
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    of high performance in motorsport,
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    but I don't know, high performance,
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    for me, it's maybe delivering higher than expectations
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    and having that extra something on everything you do.
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    And that probably for me means high performance.
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    - You see everyone dreams
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    of delivering a little bit extra, a little bit more.
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    How do you go about finding that little bit extra?
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    - Well, I think we all try to give that little bit extra.
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    As you said, it's something
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    that we all try to achieve,
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    but it's a little bit relative
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    and especially in a sport, you have the comparation
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    with your main competitors.
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    So it's doing that little extra compared to them
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    and finding the best version of yourself,
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    which is an unlimited probably search
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    because every day, there is something
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    that you can learn and you can improve.
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    So it is a difficult task, but it's something
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    that you pursue in life and in sport as well.
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    - And is that not tiring?
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    You're now 41 and you've been pursuing
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    that little extra something all your life.
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    - Not really, not really,
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    because I think even if you are not in a professional sport,
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    you will start pursuing something in your personal life
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    or you will try to achieve different goals
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    in different businesses or different things
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    that you will may start in your life
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    after your motorsport career.
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    So I think it's a way of living in a way,
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    but it's something that is not tiring.
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    It's just pure motivation, I think to wake up every morning
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    and do a little bit extra.
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    - So Fernando, you started your driving career
  • 00:04:01
    at the tender age of three.
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    - Yeah.
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    - Tell us a little bit about your family,
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    because I'm interested of your family's motivation
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    to allow you to get behind the wheel of a go-kart
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    at such a young age.
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    - Yeah, my first race was at the age of three,
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    which at the moment right now is just not legal anymore.
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    I think the driver license
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    for go-kart, they start at eight now.
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    So that's good to don't have, you know, kids
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    at three years old behind a wheel.
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    But back then, my father was a go-kart driver, just driving
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    around my region, never on a national level
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    or not international for sure.
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    And yeah, more for fun than anything else.
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    Created a small go-kart handmade for my sister
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    that is five years older than me so my sister was eight.
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    My sister didn't like the go-kart on that first couple
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    of days that my father tried.
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    And then, yeah, eventually he put me in the go-kart
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    and, you know, I like it.
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    And yeah, as I said, I did my first race
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    at the age of three.
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    It was a street circuit.
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    I don't remember anything of course, but I have the videos
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    and the photos of that day.
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    And I think the race was 15 laps and I did two of them.
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    So I got lap at 13 times
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    and in 15. (Damian laughs)
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    But yeah, they told me that I won the race,
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    so I was happy after all and yeah, that's how it started.
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    - But I'm interested in their perception of risk
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    and what that taught you,
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    because as you say, the rules have changed now
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    when you have to be eight at least
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    to get behind the wheel of a car.
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    So can you remember anything around the advice
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    that they gave you?
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    - Not really.
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    And I think the speed of
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    that go-kart obviously was like a five or six kph.
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    You could walk alongside the go-kart
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    so it was not fast at all.
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    and the risk maybe for my parents were not,
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    it was not a risky thing to do.
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    But yeah, I think it's something
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    that especially families in motorsport,
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    they have to deal with it.
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    They have to have a different perception of risk
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    because, you know, every time we jump
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    on a racing car, you know, anything can happen.
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    You know, now the cars are very safe.
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    The circuits are very safe as well.
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    We are in good hands with our teams.
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    The FIA, everyone is trying to protect us.
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    But yeah, anything can happen.
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    So I think if I put in the shoes of my parents
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    or anyone that is raising for sure,
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    there is this risk factor that you have to know how
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    to deal with it.
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    - So what did your parents give you when you decided
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    to make this something you wanted to pursue?
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    I mean, I love the fact
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    that you didn't come from a billionaire family
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    with millions of pounds worth of backing
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    from the very start, you know, really humble origins,
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    but your parents, like, they must have done something,
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    this competitive spirit, this will to win,
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    even just the emotional confidence they gave you
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    to go out and try your best.
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    - Yeah, it is a very interesting question
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    because I spoke many times with them,
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    with my parents and with my family in general
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    because they are not at all competitive.
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    So I don't know how, you know, I can be that competitive
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    in everything I do.
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    They still remember when we were playing, you know, games
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    at home or cards or anything at home, you know,
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    I was so competitive and I was so upset with them.
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    I could maybe not talk to them for full one day
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    if I was not winning, all these kind of things.
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    And they never understood why, you know, I was like that
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    because no one in the family, you know, had this approach.
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    So yeah, it's still unknown at the moment.
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    - So what did they say when you asked them, like,
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    "How did this happen?"
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    What's their answer?
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    - Well, I think it was more,
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    for them, it was more a fun thing to do on the weekends.
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    Obviously they had to work on the weekdays.
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    My mother on a shopping mall, just selling perfumes
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    and my father on a explosive company just doing explosive
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    for the mines in my region.
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    So the weekends was kind of fun weekend with other families.
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    This motorsport enthusiasm with the kids driving go-karts,
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    but with no expectations at all
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    that that could become one day a professional thing.
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    So I don't know, always started like this.
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    I won the Spanish championship in '94
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    and then one Italian mechanic saw me there
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    in the Spanish championship
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    and said, "You have to come to Italy
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    and race in European Championships and World Championships."
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    And my father answered,
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    "We can't afford to travel to Italy,"
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    and those kind of things.
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    So they said, "Okay, I will speak with the factory
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    and they can help you."
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    So that is how I started.
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    - So can I go back though and ask?
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    Is there a particular moment that you remember
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    that you had to win?
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    That that competitive fire was inside of you?
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    - From what I remember, it was like a Spanish championship,
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    I think back in '97.
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    I won the Karting World Championship in '96.
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    And then I went to...
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    And I stopped racing in Spain for a few years.
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    So I went back in Spain for the Spanish championship in '97.
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    And that was the first time that I felt the pressure
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    of winning or the need of winning
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    because, you know, everyone expected that
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    if you won the World Championship,
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    how you will not win the Spanish championship
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    the following year.
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    And we were not that fast that weekend
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    and you know, I remember to be a little bit tense
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    or nervous before that start, you know,
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    because I had to win that day.
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    Eventually I did.
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    But probably is my first memory
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    of, "Okay, now I need to deliver.
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    You know, everyone is expecting a result from me."
  • 00:10:28
    - So would you explain a little bit then about
  • 00:10:30
    how you manage that expectation and how you channeled it,
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    what your thoughts were, how you approached it?
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    - Well, it is something that is very individual for me.
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    When I have this pressure or when I feel
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    that I have to deliver high expectations,
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    I try to calm myself.
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    I normally have a lot of self-confidence.
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    I think that's very important to have confidence on
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    what you are doing, on what you are capable of.
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    That releases a little bit of pressure
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    and you are able to over deliver
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    if you have that confidence on yourself.
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    But then, I'm a very technical person as well
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    so I want to know everything about what I'm doing.
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    When I'm not in my environment
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    or in my comfort place, I get more stress for sure.
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    So one way to be calm before a race
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    or whatever, is to know everything about the strategy,
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    everything about the tires, hearing from the engineers,
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    from the strategists, 2, 3, 4 times,
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    what is the plan, you know?
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    So that's my approach to the race to be confident
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    on what we are doing.
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    Then maybe it doesn't work,
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    but it's not coming from myself
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    or whatever that I'm in doubt.
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    But I think this is a very individual thing,
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    how we approach these moments.
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    - But it sounds like your approach is to make sure
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    that when the visor goes down
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    and the lights go out,
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    you feel like you have done absolutely everything possible
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    to give your best in that race.
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    - Yeah, I think so.
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    That could be a good way to to explain it,
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    but probably not only motor racing.
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    It's a way of living as well.
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    So when I'm at home relaxing
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    and you know, I made the plan for the day
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    or I go to the gym or there is a tennis match or whatever,
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    I treat that tennis match like a Formula One Grand Prix.
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    So I have to know everything about with who I will play.
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    If he's too strong, maybe I skip that day at the tennis
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    because I hate losing. (laughs)
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    If he's too weak, maybe, you know, I maybe do extra sport
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    before because that tennis match will not require too much
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    of, you know, activity from myself.
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    And these kind of things,
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    so every day is very well organized in my head.
  • 00:13:06
    - So when do you begin planning
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    then for, say you've got a rest day,
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    when do you begin planning to maximize that rest day?
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    - Well, in advance, yes, I know
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    and by now at 41 years old, I know my body.
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    I know my head, I know everything
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    that I need to perform on my job.
  • 00:13:31
    So when it becomes a long trip
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    or a busy week of events or marketing or whatever,
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    I know that I will need extra days of rest.
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    So I plan everything well in advance.
  • 00:13:46
    And I try to also travel as efficient as possible
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    with the calendar that we have now.
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    So, you know, you learn from your mistakes in the past
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    and your previous years and experiences.
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  • 00:14:08
    sports people, leaders, employees, employers,
  • 00:14:12
    everything you can imagine.
  • 00:14:13
    And I think what we can't do is sit here
  • 00:14:15
    and pretend that like you are a superhero,
  • 00:14:17
    where you plan everything, you execute, you deliver,
  • 00:14:20
    and you win because that's not real life, right?
  • 00:14:23
    - Sure.
  • 00:14:24
    - Can we have a really honest conversation about self-doubt?
  • 00:14:28
    Because I think when you're doing well in karting
  • 00:14:30
    and you're winning a lot
  • 00:14:31
    and you're moving through the ranks
  • 00:14:32
    like your self-confidence grows.
  • 00:14:35
    Suddenly you end up in Formula One,
  • 00:14:37
    where you are up against the very best people in the world.
  • 00:14:39
    So you have to create techniques to deal with fear
  • 00:14:44
    or self-doubt or seeing others that might have different
  • 00:14:47
    or better skills than you.
  • 00:14:49
    What is your relationship like with self-doubt?
  • 00:14:57
    - Not much.
  • 00:15:00
    - [Jake] True.
  • 00:15:01
    - Yeah.
  • 00:15:03
    I mean I know my limitations
  • 00:15:05
    but as I said before, knowing my limitations,
  • 00:15:08
    I try to avoid those things, you know?
  • 00:15:11
    - Yeah. So what are they then?
  • 00:15:12
    Like what would you say,
  • 00:15:14
    even at this age, are your limitations?
  • 00:15:17
    - I mean many things.
  • 00:15:18
    I don't know how to cook.
  • 00:15:20
    I don't know how to play golf.
  • 00:15:21
    I don't know, you know, there are many things
  • 00:15:23
    that I see people around me that they do,
  • 00:15:25
    and I try to avoid those things.
  • 00:15:28
    I skip those things because I know that I'm not good at,
  • 00:15:31
    and I don't want to compare myself against them
  • 00:15:33
    because they are better.
  • 00:15:34
    One day if I train or if one day I do a cooking course
  • 00:15:38
    or whatever, then maybe I cook for someone else
  • 00:15:40
    or something like that.
  • 00:15:42
    So I'm just doing let's say what I know that I can do
  • 00:15:47
    and on that specific thing, I don't have much self-doubt
  • 00:15:53
    or I don't have many problems.
  • 00:15:56
    It's true that you arrive to Formula One and you see...
  • 00:16:00
    When I got to Formula One,
  • 00:16:00
    Michael Schumacher was dominating the sport,
  • 00:16:02
    but I never thought that I was slower than him in a way.
  • 00:16:06
    Maybe it was just a kamikaze approach to Formula One
  • 00:16:10
    and to my start of my career.
  • 00:16:11
    But, you know, I never doubt of having the same car.
  • 00:16:16
    Maybe I could challenge him one day.
  • 00:16:17
    So that's how all my career went so far.
  • 00:16:23
    - So there's an interesting observation here
  • 00:16:26
    that you often look at who's the best in your field,
  • 00:16:30
    whether it's a Michelin star chef,
  • 00:16:32
    whether it's Michael Schumacher in Formula One.
  • 00:16:36
    How does comparison work for you then?
  • 00:16:43
    - I don't know.
  • 00:16:46
    As I said, even when I stopped Formula One in 2018,.
  • 00:16:50
    I remember I have to try different things in Motorsport
  • 00:16:56
    because my head was just telling me that I have
  • 00:16:59
    to go a little bit out of my comfort zone in Formula One.
  • 00:17:03
    I mean, for many years, I was a little bit tiring
  • 00:17:06
    of traveling, tiring of, yeah, not having the possibility
  • 00:17:10
    of win anymore.
  • 00:17:11
    And the Indy 500, the 24 Hour Le Mans, the Dakar Rally,
  • 00:17:16
    they were all the disciplines in motorsport
  • 00:17:19
    that I thought they were appealing
  • 00:17:20
    and in a way, self rewarding
  • 00:17:25
    because I never considered myself a Formula one driver.
  • 00:17:29
    I just considered myself a driver, you know,
  • 00:17:32
    in any kind of motorsport.
  • 00:17:33
    It's not just a specific Formula One driving style.
  • 00:17:36
    So by attempting those, I felt that I had to learn a lot
  • 00:17:41
    of things from the beginning.
  • 00:17:43
    So I went to the Le Mans 24 hour
  • 00:17:45
    and I had very experienced teammates alongside me,
  • 00:17:50
    and I have to learn a lot from them,
  • 00:17:52
    but not publicly.
  • 00:17:57
    I have to learn, you know, just private between them
  • 00:18:02
    and myself because everyone expected
  • 00:18:04
    that a Formula One driver will be very fast
  • 00:18:05
    in any other car
  • 00:18:07
    but I was just not knowing all those techniques.
  • 00:18:10
    Same with Dakar Rally.
  • 00:18:11
    Imagine from Formula One to Saudi with a Dakar rally car.
  • 00:18:18
    It cannot be more opposite driving styles with the left foot
  • 00:18:21
    and in the brake all the time, all these kind of things.
  • 00:18:24
    So I have to do a lot of tests.
  • 00:18:25
    I have to learn a lot but never doubting that I could be
  • 00:18:30
    as good as the best one in each of the disciplines.
  • 00:18:34
    And that was just a test for me.
  • 00:18:37
    But, you know, a test that it was rewarding and I was happy.
  • 00:18:43
    - So did you choose those for the experience
  • 00:18:45
    or did you choose them
  • 00:18:46
    because you felt you could be successful in them?
  • 00:18:51
    - Because I was thinking that I could succeed, yes
  • 00:18:54
    on those categories and because I think in motorsport,
  • 00:19:00
    there were not precedence of those kind of challenges.
  • 00:19:03
    Maybe in the past, in the sixties or the seventies,
  • 00:19:06
    there were Formula One drivers
  • 00:19:08
    that they were driving different cars
  • 00:19:09
    and attempting Le Mans and things like that.
  • 00:19:12
    But now in the modern motorsport, you develop certain skills
  • 00:19:17
    from a very young age to drive in that specific discipline.
  • 00:19:21
    So if you are here in Europe
  • 00:19:24
    and you are interested in Formula One,
  • 00:19:26
    you're starting go-karts
  • 00:19:27
    and then Formula 4, Formula 3, Formula 2,
  • 00:19:29
    Formula One eventually,
  • 00:19:31
    which are all the same techniques and circuits
  • 00:19:34
    and these kind of things.
  • 00:19:36
    If you are an American boy,
  • 00:19:39
    you know, you maybe develop your skills in oval racing,
  • 00:19:42
    in dirt racing and these kind of things.
  • 00:19:44
    So it's very difficult at the age of 30 or 25 or 35
  • 00:19:48
    to move, you know, to a new discipline and be as quick
  • 00:19:52
    as them because they just born into that environment.
  • 00:19:56
    So that was something that it was appealing on my head,
  • 00:20:01
    and maybe I didn't need that, but it was just a kind
  • 00:20:04
    of let's do something that it could be a legacy also
  • 00:20:08
    for the future.
  • 00:20:09
    Because in a way, a driver that cannot succeed now
  • 00:20:14
    and get to Formula One, they cannot be frustrated
  • 00:20:17
    because they didn't make it.
  • 00:20:18
    They're just phenomenal drivers
  • 00:20:20
    that they will find, you know, their way
  • 00:20:22
    in different disciplines
  • 00:20:23
    and they still fulfill, you know, a little bit their dreams.
  • 00:20:28
    - So what was the biggest thing you learned about yourself
  • 00:20:30
    then when you went into those other disciplines?
  • 00:20:35
    - That I still able to learn
  • 00:20:39
    and Formula One didn't block my senses
  • 00:20:44
    of learning things, you know, and also the humble approach
  • 00:20:50
    to many things, which in Formula One is very easy
  • 00:20:52
    to lose as well, because we live in this bubble
  • 00:20:55
    that everything is good for us.
  • 00:20:57
    Everyone is taking care of us.
  • 00:20:59
    We travel in the last day, we do our job,
  • 00:21:03
    we go back home, and we have all the privileges.
  • 00:21:06
    And then when you go in Dakar
  • 00:21:08
    and you know, you are two weeks in the middle
  • 00:21:10
    of nothing on a tent, obviously you are not anymore
  • 00:21:15
    in a five star hotel or you don't have all the privilege
  • 00:21:18
    and you still need to change, you know, your suspension,
  • 00:21:21
    your tires and cleaning your windscreen.
  • 00:21:23
    - I loved the images of you on your knees
  • 00:21:26
    at two o'clock in the morning banging away
  • 00:21:28
    at the suspension rods and stuff.
  • 00:21:30
    Why is being humble important?
  • 00:21:33
    - I think because my family
  • 00:21:36
    and coming back to my family, this is probably the first
  • 00:21:39
    and only advice they gave me always, you know,
  • 00:21:42
    to stay humble, to stay who we were always in our family
  • 00:21:47
    and taking all the advantages
  • 00:21:50
    that this life can bring us, you know, economically
  • 00:21:53
    and the status and everything that, you know, is part
  • 00:21:56
    of Formula One circus as well.
  • 00:21:58
    But from time to time also, I go back to Spain.
  • 00:22:02
    I spend one week with my family
  • 00:22:05
    and that week is kind of a reset, you know,
  • 00:22:09
    of, you know, the last two weeks
  • 00:22:10
    that was an unreal life, you know, and this was a bubble.
  • 00:22:13
    But now we go back to the base
  • 00:22:16
    and you know, we go to the supermarket, we see friends,
  • 00:22:19
    we just chat, we play cards, whatever.
  • 00:22:22
    This is the life that I will live, you know,
  • 00:22:26
    for the next 40 or 50 years of my life
  • 00:22:29
    and the life also that I want to live
  • 00:22:31
    in the next 40 or 50 years.
  • 00:22:34
    - So would you describe to us then, Fernando, a little bit
  • 00:22:37
    around that inner circle, those people that do reset you?
  • 00:22:41
    What are the kind of characteristics and values
  • 00:22:44
    that they hold dear that seem to resonate with you?
  • 00:22:48
    - I think they have this humble approach of everything.
  • 00:22:52
    Yes, but also they have high discipline
  • 00:22:54
    on everything they do because they had to,
  • 00:22:58
    in the past, you know, to get their jobs,
  • 00:23:00
    to finish the universities, to be on time on a interview
  • 00:23:06
    for a job.
  • 00:23:08
    You know, they have to work hard for their things.
  • 00:23:11
    So that discipline, that self-confidence as well,
  • 00:23:16
    which I think they have in their things,
  • 00:23:21
    you know, in their lives.
  • 00:23:25
    They have this confidence of what they're doing.
  • 00:23:32
    Yeah, I think that the values
  • 00:23:33
    that we all grew up in our families,
  • 00:23:36
    that sometimes in professional sport you can lose them
  • 00:23:39
    because as I said, you are just living a life on a speed
  • 00:23:44
    that is unreal.
  • 00:23:46
    You know, because we go from one place
  • 00:23:47
    to the next within 24 hours.
  • 00:23:50
    We do seven or eight different things on a single day.
  • 00:23:54
    So at the end of the day, driving the car is the least time
  • 00:23:59
    of the day.
  • 00:24:01
    We are one hour and a half sitting in the car
  • 00:24:02
    but then we have 14 or 15 hours of different activities,
  • 00:24:07
    acting, photo shooting, meeting prime ministers, you know,
  • 00:24:13
    things that we are not able to deal sometimes.
  • 00:24:17
    And at the age we get to Formula One
  • 00:24:19
    or do professional sports and these kind
  • 00:24:22
    of things are just dragging you a lot of energy.
  • 00:24:25
    - And can you recount an incident
  • 00:24:27
    that your family have ever had, where they've had
  • 00:24:31
    to give you feedback where they feel
  • 00:24:33
    that maybe your head has been distracted
  • 00:24:36
    by all these amazing experiences?
  • 00:24:40
    - I'm sure, yes.
  • 00:24:42
    I don't remember maybe specifically one now,
  • 00:24:44
    but from time to time, they are very honest with things
  • 00:24:50
    that you may think or comments that you say
  • 00:24:51
    or you know, things that
  • 00:24:54
    for them they are not that important.
  • 00:24:59
    And you know, or even sometimes I remember they had
  • 00:25:02
    to deal with a lot of media attention, even at the front
  • 00:25:08
    of the door of their house
  • 00:25:10
    or paparazzi when we go summer together with my parents
  • 00:25:14
    or whatever, these kind of things
  • 00:25:15
    that I may get the stress as well
  • 00:25:19
    because I don't want that they get disturbed
  • 00:25:23
    by all these things.
  • 00:25:25
    But, you know, from time to time, they tell me,
  • 00:25:26
    "Hey, this is not a problem.
  • 00:25:28
    You know, they're taking a picture.
  • 00:25:30
    You know, we are just sitting here having good time.
  • 00:25:34
    So if they are happy with that picture,
  • 00:25:36
    you know, it's their life and it's their job."
  • 00:25:37
    And maybe sometimes I don't see it that way, you know,
  • 00:25:39
    because it's like they are stealing, you know, our privacy
  • 00:25:44
    and our family time.
  • 00:25:46
    But I understand what they're saying as well
  • 00:25:48
    because it's like, okay, this is life
  • 00:25:50
    and Fernando, calm down, you know,
  • 00:25:52
    you cannot do, you cannot change the world,
  • 00:25:54
    you cannot make justice on on everything
  • 00:25:57
    that you see in our days.
  • 00:25:58
    You know, there are things that are like this
  • 00:26:00
    and you have to live happy with those.
  • 00:26:03
    - But is there a piece of wisdom or a piece of advice
  • 00:26:06
    that your parents have given you
  • 00:26:08
    that you will sometimes remind yourself of
  • 00:26:11
    when you're in the middle of the whirlwind?
  • 00:26:14
    - Yeah, sometimes I think they have
  • 00:26:16
    because they are less, let's say, less competitive than
  • 00:26:19
    what I am.
  • 00:26:21
    They are often, you know, happy with anything
  • 00:26:25
    that happens on a race weekend or in my life
  • 00:26:29
    or whatever problems that I have.
  • 00:26:32
    They normally are a good balance for me
  • 00:26:36
    because for them it's, oh, I feel that it's less important.
  • 00:26:39
    So when I get stressed about, you know, whatever,
  • 00:26:41
    a small thing about the race
  • 00:26:43
    or about losing two points because we did this mistake
  • 00:26:47
    or it happened that thing or that incident or whatever,
  • 00:26:51
    I see from them and I hear from them
  • 00:26:53
    that this is very good, still very good.
  • 00:26:57
    And I remember the first ever race in Formula One, my debut
  • 00:27:02
    in 2001 with Minardi that I called my father
  • 00:27:07
    on Sunday morning of the race
  • 00:27:10
    and I said, "Okay, it's two hours to the race.
  • 00:27:11
    So yeah, let's see how it goes.
  • 00:27:13
    We start with the soft tires
  • 00:27:15
    and then we will stop in Lap 15 for the refueling."
  • 00:27:18
    Because back then it was the refueling in Formula One.
  • 00:27:21
    And he said, "Okay, you know, I don't care.
  • 00:27:24
    Whatever the strategies and the team thinks is the best
  • 00:27:29
    for sure is the best.
  • 00:27:30
    Try to enjoy because maybe it's your last race."
  • 00:27:34
    And I said, "What do you mean?"
  • 00:27:36
    And he said, "We never know.
  • 00:27:37
    You know, this is your first race,
  • 00:27:38
    maybe you are not delivering or you are not quick enough
  • 00:27:41
    or the team is not happy with you at the end
  • 00:27:44
    of the race or whatever.
  • 00:27:44
    And then you will always be able to say
  • 00:27:46
    that you raced one Formula One Grand Prix.
  • 00:27:49
    You know, you are a Grand Prix driver."
  • 00:27:53
    And so that the kind of approach that my family has
  • 00:27:56
    that sometimes for me is very valuable
  • 00:27:58
    and very helpful when I get the stress.
  • 00:28:01
    And for them, everything is just a gift.
  • 00:28:05
    It's just an extra and this is very good.
  • 00:28:08
    - I think that's really interesting actually.
  • 00:28:09
    And probably still is useful now, right?
  • 00:28:11
    Even after all these years. - Exactly.
  • 00:28:13
    - Can I talk about your mindset of exploration?
  • 00:28:17
    'cause you talked about, you know, leaving Formula One
  • 00:28:19
    to explore other areas.
  • 00:28:20
    I think also it allowed you probably
  • 00:28:22
    to see Formula One through a completely different lens
  • 00:28:25
    that you'd seen it through,
  • 00:28:26
    for, you know, the previous 20 odd years.
  • 00:28:29
    So when you stepped away from Formula One
  • 00:28:32
    and suddenly overnight you're no longer Fernando Alonso,
  • 00:28:34
    Formula One driver, you're former Formula One driver,
  • 00:28:37
    and you no doubt watched the sport,
  • 00:28:40
    what did you learn that you simply couldn't see
  • 00:28:42
    when you were in it?
  • 00:28:44
    - I saw a lot of things.
  • 00:28:47
    First was the love
  • 00:28:50
    that the people had towards my career and my job.
  • 00:28:54
    Because when I stopped in 2018, I was tired of traveling
  • 00:28:58
    and all the things around Formula One.
  • 00:29:00
    And as I said, not being able to compete for high things,
  • 00:29:04
    but I don't know, I didn't have any perception
  • 00:29:08
    or anything that maybe people thought about the sport
  • 00:29:12
    or myself in general.
  • 00:29:13
    But when I stop, the only thing that I receive every time
  • 00:29:18
    that I was meeting people or any fan
  • 00:29:20
    or yeah, people at the airport or in the hotels
  • 00:29:23
    or whatever it was,
  • 00:29:25
    "You need to come back.
  • 00:29:26
    You need to come back."
  • 00:29:27
    You know, this kind of thing,
  • 00:29:27
    so the people, it was a surprise that they loved
  • 00:29:31
    what we were doing, you know,
  • 00:29:34
    because for me, the last few years before I stopped,
  • 00:29:37
    it was like, you know, we are nearly anonymous here.
  • 00:29:40
    You know, no one is seeing us
  • 00:29:44
    and the sport was not maybe great as it is now
  • 00:29:47
    with all this "Drive to Survive" on Netflix
  • 00:29:49
    and all these things.
  • 00:29:50
    So I thought that it was much less interest,
  • 00:29:53
    but I was surprised
  • 00:29:56
    of how much love I received from people.
  • 00:30:00
    And then, yeah, I saw Formula One,
  • 00:30:04
    which is in Motorsport, very different
  • 00:30:08
    than other categories.
  • 00:30:09
    Much more selfish, much more, yeah, glamorous in a way,
  • 00:30:15
    but fake in another way.
  • 00:30:18
    I think it was more Pure Motorsport, Le Mans or Indy
  • 00:30:23
    or Dakar, for sure.
  • 00:30:27
    But yeah, Formula One had this appeal,
  • 00:30:29
    you know, the people want to attend to the races,
  • 00:30:33
    wanted to watch on TV.
  • 00:30:35
    I was watching also on TV the Formula One races.
  • 00:30:38
    I appreciate a little bit more all the stuff
  • 00:30:41
    that as a driver I didn't like before.
  • 00:30:44
    So the national anthem, the parade lap, having a little bit
  • 00:30:50
    more access to the media and the cameras,
  • 00:30:53
    which when you are a driver, you hate those moments,
  • 00:30:56
    but when I was just in my living room,
  • 00:30:59
    I was missing those moments.
  • 00:31:00
    And if one or two drivers were a little bit more smiley
  • 00:31:05
    or a little bit more accessible,
  • 00:31:07
    I think it was appreciated from home.
  • 00:31:11
    So when I came back to the sport, I think I took a step
  • 00:31:16
    more relaxed into those things
  • 00:31:18
    and I was a bit more, or I took care of it bit more.
  • 00:31:23
    I'm taking care of it a bit more of fans and TV
  • 00:31:26
    and these kind of things
  • 00:31:27
    because I understand the importance of it.
  • 00:31:29
    And that was able only because I was two years out
  • 00:31:34
    of Formula One.
  • 00:31:35
    - And what about for you personally then?
  • 00:31:36
    Because we speak to loads of former sports people
  • 00:31:39
    who say, "I didn't take one moment
  • 00:31:41
    to enjoy my career because I was too focused on winning."
  • 00:31:44
    - Same. (laughs)
  • 00:31:47
    Same, I regret that,
  • 00:31:48
    I regret that.
  • 00:31:51
    When I won the two championships back in Renault,
  • 00:31:54
    my Ferrari time.
  • 00:31:55
    I mean, it was good.
  • 00:31:57
    But you are so focused on the next race,
  • 00:31:59
    on the next weekend.
  • 00:32:01
    You finish one race, you may win the race
  • 00:32:03
    and you go to the airport
  • 00:32:04
    and when you are in the plane, you're thinking
  • 00:32:07
    about next weekend.
  • 00:32:09
    So you land at home
  • 00:32:12
    and you text your engineer,
  • 00:32:14
    "You know, we need to test software at the rear
  • 00:32:15
    because, you know, the traction was very bad
  • 00:32:17
    in this race, you know, at the end of the race,"
  • 00:32:19
    these kind of things.
  • 00:32:20
    And yeah, I think with age and now at this point
  • 00:32:26
    of my career, it is like the podiums of this year,
  • 00:32:28
    it seems that when I re-watch the race on TV,
  • 00:32:31
    I seem the happiest in the podium
  • 00:32:33
    and I was third and two times second.
  • 00:32:37
    But it's because I'm able
  • 00:32:39
    to enjoy more those kind of moments
  • 00:32:42
    and yeah, celebrating every weekend is part
  • 00:32:47
    of my thing now.
  • 00:32:49
    - Did you think before you had that time out
  • 00:32:50
    and before you had this new approach
  • 00:32:52
    that you could either enjoy it or be successful?
  • 00:32:56
    Not both.
  • 00:32:57
    And now maybe you realize that actually you can.
  • 00:33:00
    - Yeah, I had that feeling
  • 00:33:02
    and that if I was enjoying too much,
  • 00:33:04
    it was like I was not professional
  • 00:33:06
    or I was not wanting that success.
  • 00:33:12
    But yeah, you realize with time and with maturity
  • 00:33:17
    that you can do both things
  • 00:33:19
    and you can work hard, you can be very professional,
  • 00:33:23
    but at the same time you have to give back something
  • 00:33:26
    to the people that worked for you and the people
  • 00:33:28
    that are supporting you.
  • 00:33:30
    You know, if it's your team or your marketing guys
  • 00:33:34
    or your media or just the fans on the grand stands,
  • 00:33:38
    you know, they are there for you
  • 00:33:40
    and you need to give something back.
  • 00:33:43
    - So can I ask you then around being in the cockpit,
  • 00:33:47
    because speaking to some of your colleagues here,
  • 00:33:51
    they say that you have this remarkable ability to be able
  • 00:33:53
    to spot details in the race, not just related to your car,
  • 00:33:58
    but what rivals are doing or what else is going on there.
  • 00:34:01
    And I'm interested in understanding how do you develop that
  • 00:34:05
    ability to see details?
  • 00:34:07
    Do you see patterns or are you looking for certain tells?
  • 00:34:12
    - I think it links a little bit with the preparation
  • 00:34:16
    and the way that I approach things
  • 00:34:18
    and races, you know, the level of detail
  • 00:34:20
    that I need to be calm before the race.
  • 00:34:23
    Asking, you know, five times about the strategy
  • 00:34:26
    and possible scenarios.
  • 00:34:28
    What if I lose one place at the start,
  • 00:34:32
    how this will transform our strategy.
  • 00:34:35
    What if I gain one place at the start,
  • 00:34:37
    we will stop one lap before, one lap later,
  • 00:34:40
    which tires will be good to have on the car
  • 00:34:43
    in that scenario, in the other scenario.
  • 00:34:46
    Because I have that quantity of information before the race,
  • 00:34:51
    when I see that one car, you know, had a bad stop,
  • 00:34:55
    I immediately go back to what we saw in the morning
  • 00:34:58
    and that car, having that bad stop
  • 00:35:01
    and losing a little bit of time will maybe
  • 00:35:03
    give us the opportunity to maybe do extra three laps
  • 00:35:07
    with this tire because we are not under pressure
  • 00:35:10
    or there are no threats from behind or whatever.
  • 00:35:11
    So maybe I comment that on the radio
  • 00:35:14
    and they're surprised like how, you know,
  • 00:35:17
    Fernando can, after a bad Ferrari pit stop think
  • 00:35:20
    that we can extend three laps our next stop.
  • 00:35:23
    It's not that I realize there
  • 00:35:26
    and I process all that information is
  • 00:35:28
    that the information was inside already from Sunday morning
  • 00:35:32
    when we review that strategy and possibilities.
  • 00:35:36
    And because it's a communication between the team
  • 00:35:39
    and me, we know that we are talking in the same page.
  • 00:35:43
    So it's not that they didn't know that
  • 00:35:45
    and they are surprised and my suggestion is going forward.
  • 00:35:49
    Actually it was their suggestion and it was their strategy
  • 00:35:53
    and it was their information.
  • 00:35:54
    I'm just remembering what we saw a few hours ago.
  • 00:35:58
    - And have you at any time in 22 years
  • 00:36:01
    of doing this job ever become lazy or complacent
  • 00:36:05
    and gone into a race without that level of detail?
  • 00:36:10
    - No.
  • 00:36:12
    I could be a little bit lazy or not lack of motivation,
  • 00:36:18
    but yeah, a little bit, not fully on it.
  • 00:36:24
    Maybe during the week of the race, maybe the training
  • 00:36:29
    or the preparation.
  • 00:36:32
    Sometimes we receive a document on the week before the race
  • 00:36:35
    about the circuit changes, about all these things,
  • 00:36:37
    maybe I didn't read it in detail or something like that
  • 00:36:40
    because I was not, yeah, really motivated to that weekend.
  • 00:36:45
    But always that change
  • 00:36:48
    when I start a free practice on Friday.
  • 00:36:50
    When I start a free practice on Friday
  • 00:36:52
    and you see yourself 12, you want to be in 10th
  • 00:36:55
    because you think that that's maybe possible.
  • 00:36:57
    If you are seventh,
  • 00:36:58
    okay, you know, the P5 did a mega lap today.
  • 00:37:02
    He maybe don't repeat that lap tomorrow.
  • 00:37:05
    We can be top five.
  • 00:37:06
    So very easily, you get motivated during the weekend.
  • 00:37:10
    And so by Sunday, when I close the visor
  • 00:37:12
    and the race starts, I've been always a hundred ready.
  • 00:37:17
    - Can you just give us a small bit of insight into
  • 00:37:20
    what's going on in your mind, your final thoughts
  • 00:37:22
    as you're closing the visor, as you've done the parade lap,
  • 00:37:26
    as you're pulling up on the grid,
  • 00:37:27
    what's the process at that point?
  • 00:37:30
    - It is just executing the race as a robot, basically.
  • 00:37:36
    - [Jake] As a robot. No emotion?
  • 00:37:37
    - No emotion.
  • 00:37:39
    And just there is only one way
  • 00:37:43
    to see the checkered flag faster than any other possibility.
  • 00:37:50
    Then drive as efficient as possible, taking care
  • 00:37:53
    of the tires, the battery.
  • 00:37:55
    We have very complex hybrid engines on the cars
  • 00:37:59
    and these kind of things.
  • 00:38:00
    So when I closed the visor, I remember everything
  • 00:38:04
    that we spoke on Sunday morning with the team,
  • 00:38:07
    with each of the areas that are important in terms
  • 00:38:10
    of performance, the engine, the tires, aerodynamics,
  • 00:38:13
    the strategy and just, I try to deliver
  • 00:38:19
    what they told me that is the most efficient way
  • 00:38:23
    to see the checkered flag.
  • 00:38:24
    So they did their part,
  • 00:38:27
    they studied the strategy, the simulations
  • 00:38:30
    and all the tools we have run millions of possibilities
  • 00:38:34
    and scenarios and we chose one, we pick up one
  • 00:38:38
    that will be the fastest for us.
  • 00:38:40
    So I take like that responsibility to deliver that job
  • 00:38:45
    and as the last chain in the team.
  • 00:38:49
    And yeah, I try to have no emotions.
  • 00:38:53
    Said that, you know, when you are racing
  • 00:38:55
    there is this high adrenaline,
  • 00:38:57
    there are overtaking,
  • 00:38:59
    there are things they don't go as planned
  • 00:39:02
    and in that moment, obviously, you are very emotional
  • 00:39:06
    and you are at 180 heartbeat on your adrenaline
  • 00:39:13
    so still a human behind and very enthusiastic about
  • 00:39:20
    what we are doing.
  • 00:39:21
    So that's the beauty of the sport,
  • 00:39:23
    that even if you want to do something
  • 00:39:27
    with no emotion, everything comes alive
  • 00:39:31
    in certain moments of the race.
  • 00:39:33
    - So what's interesting here then is how you've had
  • 00:39:36
    to deal with the emotion that everyone has
  • 00:39:38
    which is the emotion of disappointment or feeling let down
  • 00:39:41
    because what we've talked about
  • 00:39:42
    here is an incredible attention to detail,
  • 00:39:45
    a relentless discipline, a laser sharp focus
  • 00:39:48
    for well over half your life for one goal,
  • 00:39:51
    which is to win a race.
  • 00:39:53
    Do you know your stats, race entries and race wins?
  • 00:39:56
    What are they?
  • 00:39:58
    Do you know them, Michael? - Race wins, 32.
  • 00:40:00
    - 32 wins.
  • 00:40:01
    - 360 Grand Prix or 360. - Okay.
  • 00:40:05
    So you've lost 90% of the Grand Prix that you've entered.
  • 00:40:09
    - Yes.
  • 00:40:10
    - You've moved to teams as they've designed cars
  • 00:40:12
    that are disappointing in their performance.
  • 00:40:15
    You've had moments throughout your entire career
  • 00:40:18
    where you've been seconds away from something incredible
  • 00:40:20
    then it hasn't happened.
  • 00:40:23
    So what advice would you give the people listening
  • 00:40:24
    to this for how to deal with disappointment?
  • 00:40:29
    - Well, failure is needed in life
  • 00:40:32
    and you have to have down moments.
  • 00:40:35
    You have to learn from many things.
  • 00:40:37
    And the sport in general,
  • 00:40:39
    as you said, 90% of the times, you will not succeed or 99.
  • 00:40:45
    You know, it's easy enough if you succeed one
  • 00:40:47
    to be worth all the things that you've been trying
  • 00:40:51
    for many years.
  • 00:40:52
    And I think, yeah, not winning and not delivering
  • 00:40:56
    what you will love to and things like that are essential
  • 00:41:02
    for any human being to really get better every time.
  • 00:41:07
    So you need to have that level of confidence
  • 00:41:11
    and that level of discipline as we said before,
  • 00:41:15
    to separate what is a disappointment
  • 00:41:18
    to what it can be a lesson, you know,
  • 00:41:22
    and get better for the next time.
  • 00:41:25
    - What would you tell us how you do that?
  • 00:41:27
    I like the idea of you being a robot
  • 00:41:29
    when you get in the car, but as a human being
  • 00:41:32
    when you step out of it
  • 00:41:33
    and you go through those reflections,
  • 00:41:35
    what are the kind of questions or processes
  • 00:41:38
    that you go through that our listeners could use
  • 00:41:41
    and adopt in their life?
  • 00:41:44
    - Yeah, I mean you need to...
  • 00:41:47
    It is extremely painful.
  • 00:41:49
    You know, it's real pain when you remove the helmet
  • 00:41:54
    and you are not on the podium and you see others celebrating
  • 00:41:59
    and you know, it is something
  • 00:42:02
    that you cannot digest sometimes for few hours
  • 00:42:05
    until you get at night at home or you have to sleep
  • 00:42:09
    and the next morning you try
  • 00:42:12
    to process everything that happened.
  • 00:42:14
    If it was a mistake from yourself
  • 00:42:17
    or if it was a strategy mistake
  • 00:42:19
    or if it's just, you know, in our sport
  • 00:42:21
    that the car is not fast enough,
  • 00:42:23
    how to make that car as fast as as the competition.
  • 00:42:26
    And I think it's just, you know, you need
  • 00:42:32
    to have, again, a plan
  • 00:42:33
    and you have to have a program in your head
  • 00:42:36
    that you are willing to respect
  • 00:42:40
    and you have to start with your self respect
  • 00:42:43
    and then to your team and to your teammates
  • 00:42:46
    and everyone that is working in the team, knowing
  • 00:42:49
    that, you know, there is a plan to achieve certain goal.
  • 00:42:53
    There is a plan to get better physically.
  • 00:42:55
    There is a plan to get better on the straights.
  • 00:42:59
    There is a plan of having less mechanical issues
  • 00:43:02
    because we are, you know, getting stronger
  • 00:43:04
    on the reliability side.
  • 00:43:06
    We are hiring two new people.
  • 00:43:07
    We are building these new facilities, you know,
  • 00:43:11
    to have a stronger gearbox for the future.
  • 00:43:14
    Once you get that on your head, I think it's very easy
  • 00:43:18
    to keep going and to keep, you know, delivering your best.
  • 00:43:22
    If you have any doubt
  • 00:43:23
    or if you don't have not confidence on your team
  • 00:43:26
    or you lost the trust of your mechanic,
  • 00:43:29
    or if you have two bad pit stops
  • 00:43:31
    and you never talk about that
  • 00:43:35
    or you never put in plan an improvement to the system
  • 00:43:40
    because definitely there are some weaknesses on the system,
  • 00:43:44
    if you don't do that, for sure, it is very difficult
  • 00:43:47
    to get the motivation or to deliver.
  • 00:43:55
    So you need to find
  • 00:43:56
    and to search for excellence in everything you do.
  • 00:44:00
    And once you have that, then you have to respect
  • 00:44:03
    that plan and to achieve that.
  • 00:44:06
    - But what I found particularly interesting
  • 00:44:08
    in your earlier answer was that you have a plan in place
  • 00:44:12
    of what you want to execute,
  • 00:44:15
    but you also seem to plan for what could go wrong
  • 00:44:20
    and how do you mitigate against it.
  • 00:44:22
    What proportion of your planning then is based
  • 00:44:25
    on executing successfully and what proportion
  • 00:44:28
    of it is planning for mistakes, for failures and errors?
  • 00:44:32
    - Yeah, 80% is is just
  • 00:44:34
    about executing everything 20% of the time
  • 00:44:37
    and in your head, it's just plan B, plan C.
  • 00:44:41
    So you go to your plan initially,
  • 00:44:45
    but yeah, because if something goes wrong,
  • 00:44:48
    you need to have something and don't panic
  • 00:44:51
    and you have a plan but that's not the optimum.
  • 00:44:57
    So you don't want to to spend too much time
  • 00:45:01
    in the sub optimum.
  • 00:45:03
    - And as you reflect on your career,
  • 00:45:06
    what remains the biggest disappointment
  • 00:45:08
    that you used as fuel at the time to push you forward?
  • 00:45:17
    - It is difficult to really say one.
  • 00:45:22
    - [Jake] Do you think much about it?
  • 00:45:24
    - No, I don't think much.
  • 00:45:26
    I will probably, yeah, if you go back in time, you know,
  • 00:45:31
    you change things.
  • 00:45:35
    Winning a championship with Ferrari,
  • 00:45:37
    that will be probably the first thing that I choose
  • 00:45:40
    if I can go back in time.
  • 00:45:41
    2010, 2012 we were within few laps
  • 00:45:45
    to winning a championship
  • 00:45:46
    and that probably could have changed a little bit
  • 00:45:50
    the outcome of many things
  • 00:45:52
    and the history behind of few things.
  • 00:45:57
    And I was disappointed for sure to miss those.
  • 00:46:02
    And then, yeah, as I said, you know,
  • 00:46:07
    because this is difficult to change and you never know
  • 00:46:10
    and you depend of many other people and other teams as well
  • 00:46:14
    and performance of the cars and things, it is difficult
  • 00:46:17
    to regret something because this is out of your hands.
  • 00:46:21
    What I regret for sure and we touch before was not
  • 00:46:25
    to enjoy more my time, my career.
  • 00:46:29
    You know, I know that I'm at the end of of it
  • 00:46:32
    and there is a new life, you know, in few years time
  • 00:46:36
    for me without driving.
  • 00:46:38
    And when I will look back to my career, I will see a lot
  • 00:46:42
    of good things and good friendships
  • 00:46:46
    and incredible experiences.
  • 00:46:49
    But it's like, I should have enjoyed more
  • 00:46:53
    and if I had the opportunity
  • 00:46:56
    to live my exact life once more,
  • 00:47:00
    maybe I don't change anything on my teams or my choices
  • 00:47:04
    or this Ferrari maybe title or whatever.
  • 00:47:06
    I will just change
  • 00:47:09
    to live a little bit more all those moments
  • 00:47:13
    and try to have more memories from those moments.
  • 00:47:17
    I won the championship in Brazil 2005 and six
  • 00:47:20
    and I hardly remember anything from those afternoons
  • 00:47:23
    and nights, which is sad, you know.
  • 00:47:27
    So these are the kind of things that I will change.
  • 00:47:30
    - But I actually think you can look at
  • 00:47:33
    that in a positive light.
  • 00:47:34
    Having that year out has changed the way
  • 00:47:35
    you see your career, which is brilliant.
  • 00:47:37
    So you can enjoy it more.
  • 00:47:38
    But also if you had enjoyed those,
  • 00:47:41
    you wouldn't have had the realization at this point
  • 00:47:44
    to really, actually really enjoy what you're doing now.
  • 00:47:48
    And I think, you know, every time I hear
  • 00:47:50
    or see an interview with you,
  • 00:47:51
    people are obsessed about the third world title, right?
  • 00:47:53
    But when we sit here and talk about this sort
  • 00:47:57
    of new mentality you've got towards racing, I wonder whether
  • 00:47:59
    of course you'd love to win a third world title,
  • 00:48:00
    but I wonder whether for you, it is actually just
  • 00:48:03
    about enjoying the process
  • 00:48:05
    and maybe that makes you the best driver you've been
  • 00:48:09
    in your entire career, perhaps.
  • 00:48:10
    I don't know what you think.
  • 00:48:11
    - Yeah, exactly like that.
  • 00:48:13
    I would love to win the championship once again,
  • 00:48:15
    but it's not the highest priority.
  • 00:48:18
    I think I'm enjoying the process of, especially now
  • 00:48:23
    with Aston Martin to become a contender for the future.
  • 00:48:28
    I'm loving the time with the team,
  • 00:48:30
    how we are all growing up in many different areas.
  • 00:48:34
    I will try 99% Dakar again, which if one day
  • 00:48:41
    and that's something that is, it is not
  • 00:48:45
    that the third world title is less of a priority.
  • 00:48:49
    It is a priority.
  • 00:48:49
    But winning Dakar one day, it is a high priority
  • 00:48:52
    for me as well.
  • 00:48:53
    I will maybe have to attempt that race eight, 10 years
  • 00:48:57
    or whatever until maybe one day I got lucky
  • 00:49:00
    and I can fight for the win.
  • 00:49:02
    But if I win in Formula One in endurance racing
  • 00:49:07
    and Dakar, that will feel for me something special
  • 00:49:12
    as a driver and as a person.
  • 00:49:15
    So those kind of challenges are in my head at the moment.
  • 00:49:19
    - Amazing. Right.
  • 00:49:20
    We've reached the point
  • 00:49:22
    for our final few questions, our quickfire round.
  • 00:49:25
    So the first one is the three non-negotiable behaviors
  • 00:49:28
    that you and the people around you need to buy into.
  • 00:49:36
    - I would say discipline is one.
  • 00:49:40
    Integrity, yeah and confidence.
  • 00:49:48
    I like the people that has this power
  • 00:49:52
    of convincing you know, when they talk about something
  • 00:49:55
    because they are so sure of what they are doing
  • 00:49:58
    and this is very powerful.
  • 00:50:01
    - If you could go back to one moment of your life,
  • 00:50:03
    what would it be and why?
  • 00:50:08
    - I will go back to my school time
  • 00:50:15
    because I don't know,
  • 00:50:17
    when you are young, you are free.
  • 00:50:21
    You have endless possibility of, you know, doing
  • 00:50:27
    whatever you want in the future and with your life
  • 00:50:29
    and this is kind of a feeling
  • 00:50:32
    that you miss later in your life, you know?
  • 00:50:33
    So college, I think, is beautiful time.
  • 00:50:36
    - We've talked a lot about discipline.
  • 00:50:38
    We've talked a lot about hard work, traveling the world,
  • 00:50:40
    becoming jaded and tired with the relentlessness.
  • 00:50:44
    What is the hidden cost of your achievements
  • 00:50:47
    of living the life that you live?
  • 00:50:53
    - Nothing really.
  • 00:50:55
    I think you lose your privacy.
  • 00:50:57
    This is a very important thing and you have to deal with,
  • 00:51:02
    and we are all different in terms
  • 00:51:05
    of dealing with this thing.
  • 00:51:08
    For me, it is not easy coming
  • 00:51:09
    from where I come from and things.
  • 00:51:12
    Losing your privacy
  • 00:51:14
    and not being anonymous anymore in any place in the world
  • 00:51:20
    and constrained yourself to do certain things
  • 00:51:22
    at certain times or just to avoid, you know, stress,
  • 00:51:26
    that's a high price to pay.
  • 00:51:29
    - And what about growth and relationships, particularly away
  • 00:51:32
    from Formula One?
  • 00:51:34
    You know, you're 41.
  • 00:51:35
    Many 41 year olds are on child one, two, maybe three,
  • 00:51:38
    wife one, maybe wife two,
  • 00:51:41
    and you're not married, you have no children.
  • 00:51:43
    Has that been a sacrifice you've had to make?
  • 00:51:51
    - Probably yes. Yeah.
  • 00:51:53
    Yeah, I love kids
  • 00:51:56
    and yeah, probably not being in the sport
  • 00:51:58
    and not being a Formula One driver,
  • 00:52:01
    I probably would have my own family by now,
  • 00:52:03
    but that's something that you never know.
  • 00:52:07
    So I don't think too much on this.
  • 00:52:09
    - What's one piece of advice you would give
  • 00:52:11
    to a young Fernando starting out?
  • 00:52:15
    - To enjoy more, as we said.
  • 00:52:19
    To take care more about, you know, your friends, family.
  • 00:52:28
    It's not that I didn't take care,
  • 00:52:29
    but you know, it seems that you always want
  • 00:52:33
    to spend more time with them.
  • 00:52:37
    My grandparents, that they are not with me anymore.
  • 00:52:41
    These kind of things, you know,
  • 00:52:44
    if you could have, you know, a conversation
  • 00:52:46
    with yourself, you know, a few years ago,
  • 00:52:48
    you will advise these kind of things.
  • 00:52:51
    - How happy are you?
  • 00:52:53
    - From what, one to 10? (laughs)
  • 00:52:54
    - [Jake] Yeah.
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    - 9, 9.5.
  • 00:52:57
    - [Damian] Oh that's good.
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    - What's the most valuable piece of advice
  • 00:53:01
    that you've ever received?
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    - On the personal life?
  • 00:53:10
    My parents are always giving me, you know, the sense
  • 00:53:16
    of being a good person, humble, trying to take care
  • 00:53:24
    of yourself and the others.
  • 00:53:27
    I think this is something that I always appreciated
  • 00:53:33
    and my parents are always giving me the best advices
  • 00:53:37
    on the professional side of things.
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    I remember when I was in go-kart, I was 13
  • 00:53:44
    or something like that
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    and I finished second in the world championship
  • 00:53:49
    the first year that I attempted.
  • 00:53:52
    And I was so happy.
  • 00:53:53
    It was my second international race in the podium,
  • 00:53:57
    in the world championship that was just incredible.
  • 00:54:00
    And I arrived to the team
  • 00:54:02
    and I seemed that I was the only one happy.
  • 00:54:06
    So the head of mechanics back then in go-kart
  • 00:54:10
    in my team came to me and pulled me in one
  • 00:54:13
    of the side of the tent
  • 00:54:14
    and he said, "Be happy, enjoy,
  • 00:54:16
    but there is not much to celebrate.
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    Second is the first losers.
  • 00:54:22
    In a sport, you win or you don't.
  • 00:54:26
    You know, to finish second, seventh or 11th is the same.
  • 00:54:30
    There is only one guy with a trophy and it's not us.
  • 00:54:33
    So I understand your emotion,
  • 00:54:35
    but this is nothing to celebrate."
  • 00:54:37
    It was shocking because I was 13 and I thought
  • 00:54:40
    that that was really, you know, good, you know,
  • 00:54:44
    and that was really bad, you know, for a kid.
  • 00:54:46
    But then with time I understood
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    that that was a good advice in general, you know,
  • 00:54:53
    especially in the sports,
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    or when you are competing
  • 00:54:55
    for something, you win or you don't.
  • 00:54:58
    You know, it's not that you train
  • 00:54:59
    and you are here at the simulator or at the races
  • 00:55:02
    or whatever to finish seventh.
  • 00:55:04
    And seventh is the same as 17th, you know,
  • 00:55:06
    there is only one guy winning.
  • 00:55:10
    - And the final question, for the many people
  • 00:55:13
    that have listened to this of all ages, all backgrounds,
  • 00:55:16
    what would you like to leave ringing in their ears?
  • 00:55:18
    Your one golden rule for them
  • 00:55:20
    to find their own version of high performance?
  • 00:55:29
    - I think self-confidence.
  • 00:55:31
    Being prepared for everything you do in life.
  • 00:55:36
    You know, you cannot underestimate even the easiest thing
  • 00:55:40
    in life or something that you do every day in your job
  • 00:55:43
    or whatever and you get used to.
  • 00:55:45
    There is always something
  • 00:55:46
    that it will change one day,
  • 00:55:49
    technology will change, something will change
  • 00:55:51
    and you have to adapt to that
  • 00:55:53
    and deliver that extra again
  • 00:55:55
    because there is a new way of doing things.
  • 00:55:58
    And yeah, the world is changing, you have to adapt
  • 00:56:02
    and you have to deliver something extra.
  • 00:56:07
    And so you cannot be happy with anything.
  • 00:56:12
    You have to always search for something better.
  • 00:56:15
    - Amazing.
  • 00:56:16
    - Can I ask you one last question, Fernando?
  • 00:56:18
    As a man that prepares for when you play a tennis game
  • 00:56:21
    against an opponent, well in advance,
  • 00:56:24
    how much preparation did you do for this interview?
  • 00:56:26
    - Not much, because I was in the simulator this morning
  • 00:56:29
    and I should have prepared even more
  • 00:56:32
    but I hope it's still enjoyable.
  • 00:56:34
    - That's very good. Fantastic.
  • 00:56:35
    - Do you enjoy having these sorts of conversations
  • 00:56:37
    'cause most of the interviews you do
  • 00:56:38
    in your career are simply about the racing?
  • 00:56:43
    Do you like reflecting?
  • 00:56:45
    - I do like reflecting.
  • 00:56:46
    - Well listen, thanks.
  • 00:56:47
    Thank you very much.
  • 00:56:48
    You know, I think this team have got you
  • 00:56:52
    at the perfect time because I think
  • 00:56:53
    Fernando 15 years ago wouldn't have actually cared
  • 00:56:55
    about a project, would he?
  • 00:56:56
    He would've said, "I don't care.
  • 00:56:58
    I want to win today."
  • 00:56:59
    And I think you're now a man
  • 00:57:01
    who sees the bigger picture, sees the journey,
  • 00:57:04
    sees what you can do when you all pull together
  • 00:57:06
    and I think it's the perfect team at the perfect time.
  • 00:57:09
    Would you agree?
  • 00:57:09
    - I do agree and yeah, I think it is in life.
  • 00:57:12
    It is not only in sports in general.
  • 00:57:15
    I think when you are 20 you see life in a way.
  • 00:57:19
    And when you are 40, you see it
  • 00:57:20
    in a completely different way.
  • 00:57:22
    Unfortunately, life, when you have the experience
  • 00:57:24
    of 40, you will love to have 20
  • 00:57:27
    because you have your body ready
  • 00:57:29
    for the knowledge that you have at 40.
  • 00:57:31
    But in motorsport, I think at the age of 40
  • 00:57:35
    and the knowledge
  • 00:57:36
    that you have at 40 is not a big disadvantage not
  • 00:57:40
    to have the body of 20
  • 00:57:41
    because we still, you know, driving cars
  • 00:57:43
    and it's more a mental thing and create automatism
  • 00:57:48
    on your hands, steering wheel, all these kind of things.
  • 00:57:51
    So I think at the moment I feel good
  • 00:57:55
    because my sport is good at the age of 40
  • 00:57:58
    and that knowledge and it's still delivering.
  • 00:58:00
    If I was a footballer or a tennis player or whatever,
  • 00:58:03
    that will be more painful.
  • 00:58:05
    - Brilliant. Thank you so much.
Tags
  • Fernando Alonso
  • Formula One
  • Motorsport
  • Racing Career
  • High Performance
  • Self-discipline
  • Humility
  • Learning from Failure
  • Competitive Spirit
  • Career Reflections