#30 Economics | H.H.Al Sayyid Dr. Adham bin Turki Al Said | dome_podcast
Summary
TLDRPodkastens vert, Hatim Alabdisalam, intervjuer Dr. Adam bin Turki, en økonomiprofessor, om betydningen av nasjonale visjoner for økonomisk utvikling, med fokus på Omans Visjon 2040. De diskuterer hvordan økonomi og sosial fremgang er tett koblet, og hvordan nasjoner må navigere endringer og justere strategier for å oppnå sine mål. Dr. Adam forklarer også grunnleggende økonomiske begreper som inflasjon, økonomisk vekst og arbeidsledighet. Det blir også påpekt hvordan offentlig finans og nasjonale budsjetter spiller en kritisk rolle i å realisere visjoner, spesielt når det kommer til håndtering av nasjonal gjeld og offentlige utgifter. Gjennom samtalen understrekes viktigheten av fleksibilitet og inkludering av samfunnet i utformingen og gjennomføringen av langsiktige mål.
Takeaways
- 📈 Økonomi handler om beslutninger og valg.
- 🏢 Visjoner gir en retning for nasjonal utvikling.
- 🛠️ Fleksibilitet er avgjørende for tilpasning til endringer.
- 🗣️ Offentlig engasjement er viktig for visjoners suksess.
- 🏛️ Offentlig finans påvirker statens evne til å realisere mål.
- 💸 Inflasjon påvirker kjøpekraft og økonomisk helse.
- 🌐 Globalisering skaper gjensidig avhengighet mellom nasjoner.
- ⏳ Økonomisk vekst er en indikator på velstandsutvikling.
- 👔 Arbeidsledighet er en sentral økonomisk utfordring.
- 🌍 Kriser kan endre nasjonale strategiske prioriteringer.
Timeline
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The episode begins with a discussion on how people often end up in careers different from their field of study, and how visions are communicated dryly. Inflation is explained as rising costs of goods over time, and the conversation touches on infrastructural comparisons between countries and public understanding of national visions.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Host welcomes guest Dr. Adam Bin Turkey, an economist, to the podcast for an episode focused on economics. They start with the importance of a nation's vision, specifically Oman's Vision 2040, and discuss how such visions are determined and implemented.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Dr. Adam explains to the listeners that economics might seem non-vital to students, but it's crucial to understand how it affects decisions at many levels. Economics is laid out as a decision-making science, stressing how our choices, whether individual or collective, are central to economics.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
The conversation delves into the historical progression of Oman and other nations' economic planning, noting past reliance on short-term plans. These plans were aimed at wealth creation through various economy types like agriculture and industrialization, emphasizing capital value at earlier times.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Moving to modern economic thinking, Dr. Adam highlights how countries use visions to plan long-term, citing development plans since the 70s in Oman. These plans were initially short-term but have evolved, emphasizing a necessity for strategies like Vision 2040 to steer national growth purposefully.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Vision 2020's objectives were reducing hydrocarbon dependence and boosting private sector dynamism. Oman aligned its plans with the vision, but reliance on government spending showed unsustainability. The upcoming 2040 vision targets this, requiring evaluations and adaptations for shifting dynamics.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Dr. Adam and Hatim explore how visions adapt to changes, stressing vision flexibility over rigidity. Oman’s Vision 2040 priorities reflect consensus, aiming to place Oman among advanced economies. Elements include governance, environment, private sector involvement, and fostering a knowledge-based economy.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
The conversation covers the public's understanding of national visions. Though individuals focus on personal economic situations, visions can seem abstract without clear communication. People tend to connect visions to tangible improvements, like income and living standards, which can be misunderstood.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
Discussion shifts to economics as more than theories, involving numbers and key indicators like GDP, inflation, and unemployment rates. GDP is analogous to groceries where quantity and price matter to overall spending; similarly, economies gauge success through growing domestic production, adjusted for inflation effects.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Inflation is further explained as a measure beyond transient price changes (e.g., tomatoes) and seeks consistent average basket price increases indicating true inflationary trends over time. Supply-demand imbalances, impacted by global crises like COVID-19, deeply affect inflation and general living costs.
- 00:50:00 - 00:55:00
Response to inflation involves shifts in consumer spending priorities, with potential impacts on lower-income households most reliant on essentials. The dialogue elaborates on subsidies' role in Oman to manage inflation impact on standards of living, pondering accountability and public finance strategies.
- 00:55:00 - 01:00:00
Unemployment, public finance, and debt management are explored, with unemployment defined in terms of active job seeking. Discussions pivot to budgeting in public finance, contrasting spending against income, from local challenges up to managing national debt in an international financial ecosystem.
- 01:00:00 - 01:05:00
The latter part of the discussion describes Oman's debt profile, managing deficits through loans, bonds, or reserve drawdowns. There's emphasis on sustainable borrowing amid fluctuating revenue streams, primarily hydrocarbon-related, ensuring long-term fiscal stability amidst complex global economic ties.
- 01:05:00 - 01:11:32
Dr. Adam concludes with insights into balancing economic choices realistically, between need-driven and development-driven spending, acknowledging individuals' roles in this broad economic landscape. The episode wraps up with gratitude and hopes for insightful viewer takeaways on economic understanding.
Mind Map
Frequently Asked Question
Hva er inflasjon?
Inflasjon er når det koster mer i gjennomsnitt å kjøpe de samme varene sammenlignet med en tidligere periode.
Hva handler Omans Visjon 2040 om?
Omans Visjon 2040 handler om å forbedre økonomien, redusere avhengigheten av hydrokarboner, utvikle privat sektor og involvere flere borgere i arbeidsstyrken.
Hvordan påvirker økonomiske kriser nasjonale visjoner?
Økonomiske kriser kan kreve at nasjoner må justere sine mål og strategier i nasjonale visjoner.
Hvordan påvirker individuelle beslutninger økonomien?
Individuelle beslutninger påvirker økonomien ved å bestemme hvordan ressurser brukes og hvilke produkter og tjenester som etterspørres.
Er visjoner faste eller kan de endres?
Visjoner er fleksible og kan endres for å tilpasse seg nye omstendigheter eller globale økonomiske endringer.
Hva er offentlig finans?
Offentlig finans refererer til hvordan staten styrer sine inntekter og utgifter, inkludert skatt, lån og utgifter.
Hvorfor er det viktig å ha en nasjonal visjon?
Det gir retning for fremtidig økonomisk, sosial og politisk utvikling, og hjelper til med å koordinere innsats mot felles mål.
Hva betyr økonomisk vekst?
Økonomisk vekst refererer til en økning i produksjonen av varer og tjenester i en økonomi over tid.
Hvordan kan enkeltpersoner relatere seg til en nasjonal visjon?
Enkeltpersoner kan relatere seg ved å forstå hvordan nasjonale mål påvirker deres liv og muligheter, og ved å aktivt delta i samfunnet.
Hvordan påvirker globalisering økonomier?
Globalisering skaper gjensidig avhengighet mellom land, som kan føre til både fordeler og utfordringer i handelsbalansen.
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- 00:00:00and the majority of us we graduate in an
- 00:00:03area and then we end up doing something
- 00:00:04else Visions are often communicated in a
- 00:00:07very dry way you you focus more on what
- 00:00:10you need than what you want inflation
- 00:00:14very simply is
- 00:00:15it costs you more on average to buy the
- 00:00:18same Goods compared to a previous period
- 00:00:20you look at the neighboring countries
- 00:00:22and you see all these skyscrapers and
- 00:00:25you say oh they have a very strong
- 00:00:27economy that we will double the standard
- 00:00:29of living
- 00:00:31people say what do you mean is it going
- 00:00:32to change my income is it going to add
- 00:00:35more money in my pocket do you think the
- 00:00:38General Public
- 00:00:39understand the vision what do you want
- 00:00:42to be
- 00:00:43in 20 years from now where are you now
- 00:00:45and how are you going to get there are
- 00:00:47you in a in a position to change some of
- 00:00:50the aspects or the goals in your vision
- 00:00:52[Music]
- 00:00:58dear brothers and sisters welcome to
- 00:01:01dome podcast and I'm your host hatim
- 00:01:03alabdisalam and today we have an
- 00:01:06honorable guest Our Guest Is His
- 00:01:08Highness assayed Dr Adam bin turkey I'll
- 00:01:12say
- 00:01:13how are you today welcome to dome
- 00:01:17podcast thank you very much for having
- 00:01:18me Dr Adam is an assistant professor of
- 00:01:22Economics at Solvang couples University
- 00:01:24and is he is also the co-founder of the
- 00:01:28firm for business and economic
- 00:01:31Consulting welcome Victor again to the
- 00:01:33show and today we're gonna talk about a
- 00:01:36very interesting topic which is
- 00:01:37economics I believe that economics is
- 00:01:41very important to everybody and for the
- 00:01:45young people and college students as
- 00:01:48well the one you're teaching economics
- 00:01:51is a vital part of their lives and it's
- 00:01:54important to understand some of the
- 00:01:55aspects of it so we're going to start
- 00:01:58off by talking about the vision yeah the
- 00:02:01vision of a man is 2040 but
- 00:02:05why this why is it important for a
- 00:02:07nation to have a vision and how is the
- 00:02:10term
- 00:02:11I mean the period of the vision is
- 00:02:14determined some Nations they have 10
- 00:02:16years Vision five years Vision 30 years
- 00:02:19Vision how is that determined and how do
- 00:02:22we implement the vision so how to move
- 00:02:25us a very important question about
- 00:02:27visions and how we design them and their
- 00:02:30purpose but let me go back a little bit
- 00:02:32to the comment you said about how
- 00:02:34students perceive economics and I think
- 00:02:37most of them would probably disagree
- 00:02:39with you that it is not vital in any way
- 00:02:42except for them to complete their degree
- 00:02:45however I do try in many ways to bring
- 00:02:48them closer to the concepts and why they
- 00:02:51really matter and how they might affect
- 00:02:52our lives some of these concepts are
- 00:02:54obviously abstract in many ways but most
- 00:02:57of the time if one is successful the
- 00:02:59appreciation of it
- 00:03:01what is economics economics is a
- 00:03:04behavioral science meaning it affects us
- 00:03:06as individuals as organizations as
- 00:03:09governments as countries as the world
- 00:03:11itself the globe and most of what we
- 00:03:15look at in economics is how do our
- 00:03:18decisions get made why do we choose a
- 00:03:20versus B and that's really economics 101
- 00:03:23as complex as people think it is it's
- 00:03:26really all about decisions collectively
- 00:03:28or individually and this brings us to
- 00:03:31the discussion about visions
- 00:03:33when we think of countries on a timeline
- 00:03:37countries generally are thought of as
- 00:03:39decades rather than simply one year
- 00:03:41after another or five years
- 00:03:43and
- 00:03:45to a to be able to operate
- 00:03:47any economy you either do it blindly as
- 00:03:50we'd say in Arabic yes and make
- 00:03:52decisions on the go and maybe that was
- 00:03:55the the past Nations they used to do
- 00:03:57that they didn't have a vision they just
- 00:03:59go based on what they have and they're
- 00:04:02but they're guiding principles yeah so
- 00:04:04if you think of back in the day when you
- 00:04:07had say any type of economy the ultimate
- 00:04:11goal was to create as much wealth as
- 00:04:13possible yes aggregarian economies that
- 00:04:16depend on agriculture and fishing
- 00:04:18usually meant that you are able to
- 00:04:20sustain yourself so much of the effort
- 00:04:22went into that
- 00:04:23industrial economies
- 00:04:26ended up having capitalists or some sort
- 00:04:28of capital owners that invested created
- 00:04:33value through that investment and
- 00:04:36workers started not to work for
- 00:04:37themselves but for others so the guilds
- 00:04:40blended into Factory workers and sort of
- 00:04:44producers of goods and services but not
- 00:04:47necessarily for themselves for others
- 00:04:50so scaling up your cobbler your Baker's
- 00:04:53job into mass production
- 00:04:56and as that progressed the economics
- 00:05:00Dynamics had to change the way we think
- 00:05:02about trade had to change trade was
- 00:05:04always thought of for example as a
- 00:05:06win-lose situation mercantilism
- 00:05:09uh the sort of the Machiavellian
- 00:05:12approach I can only be better off by
- 00:05:15reducing your wealth and your income
- 00:05:17because that comes to me later on we've
- 00:05:20seen that move into the win-win
- 00:05:21situation and the idea of trade benefits
- 00:05:25everyone that's the idea of
- 00:05:26specialization Adam Smith and really
- 00:05:29that's where economics today builds a
- 00:05:32lot of the understanding that we need
- 00:05:34each other there is interdependence and
- 00:05:37hence globalization was a big thing in
- 00:05:41the last few decades yes then we
- 00:05:42realized that some of those benefits may
- 00:05:45be more one-sided
- 00:05:47rather than completely equitable
- 00:05:51so Visions come into this whole story by
- 00:05:54countries trying to position themselves
- 00:05:55and societies into how do we benefit
- 00:05:59from this whole story of production uh
- 00:06:03Social Development Economic Development
- 00:06:05and even political development for a
- 00:06:09country like Amman the story of
- 00:06:10development started in the 70s at least
- 00:06:13if we think of the Contemporary era and
- 00:06:16with the village
- 00:06:20coming into
- 00:06:23power at the time there was a necessity
- 00:06:26to lift a man from where it was to where
- 00:06:28it is today
- 00:06:30so in 76 a man endeavored on his first
- 00:06:32development plans and many countries at
- 00:06:34that time were looking at these
- 00:06:36five-year development plans and that's
- 00:06:38what we remember from the days of school
- 00:06:40we used to hear The Five-Year Plan
- 00:06:42absolutely and these five-year plans
- 00:06:44really were the way
- 00:06:46governments organized themselves into
- 00:06:49setting agendas and strategies on what
- 00:06:53is needed so that's five-year plans
- 00:06:54really uh in in hindsight look a bit
- 00:06:58short-sighted today because we're
- 00:06:59looking at Future decades into the
- 00:07:02future today when we think of things
- 00:07:03like climate change and the effects of
- 00:07:05how AI might affect us
- 00:07:07but many of these organizations whether
- 00:07:10they were in the Communist era within
- 00:07:12the capitalist era more so in the
- 00:07:15planned economies
- 00:07:16um Collective economies the planning
- 00:07:19where the state was very heavily
- 00:07:20involved
- 00:07:22where there's a lot of development
- 00:07:23needed infrastructure development for
- 00:07:26the betterment of the whole economy so
- 00:07:28government led the role put out these
- 00:07:30plans on what is going to happen in the
- 00:07:33next five years how I'm going to spend
- 00:07:35my any income I have whether it's from
- 00:07:38selling hydrocarbons or taxation or fees
- 00:07:42whatever source of income and what are
- 00:07:44the ultimate goals development of
- 00:07:47private sector for example by engaging
- 00:07:49them into these projects creating job
- 00:07:51opportunities developing infrastructure
- 00:07:54that
- 00:07:55supports all of these economic
- 00:07:57activities
- 00:07:59in oman's Story by 1990 early 90s we
- 00:08:03realized that is not sufficient anymore
- 00:08:04you mean The Five-Year Plan Five-Year
- 00:08:07Plan so they're ongoing and they acted
- 00:08:10as your medium term planning tool but we
- 00:08:14needed a bit of a purpose if you like
- 00:08:16where are we going
- 00:08:18so the development of the first Vision
- 00:08:20in Oman Vision 2020 and ironically at
- 00:08:24the time Vision 2020 also applies
- 00:08:27Clarity in the vision so in 1995 after
- 00:08:30much deliberation at the technical level
- 00:08:32and a national Symposium at that time at
- 00:08:36a much smaller scale compared today
- 00:08:39developed a document that basically
- 00:08:41looked at how would Emma look like in
- 00:08:442020
- 00:08:45what do we want and that was a key
- 00:08:47question with visions often we think of
- 00:08:49businesses vision is we are going to be
- 00:08:51this or that so countries today might
- 00:08:54choose to be leaders in a specific type
- 00:08:57of Industry leaders in a specific type
- 00:09:00of economy very open Dynamic Talent
- 00:09:03creating
- 00:09:04there are multiple options there is no
- 00:09:06unique proposition that all countries
- 00:09:09must follow through so back then a man
- 00:09:13was very focused on producing its
- 00:09:15dependence on hydrocarbons
- 00:09:17creating a dynamic private sector
- 00:09:20um creating more involvement for
- 00:09:22Nationals in the workforce which are
- 00:09:24ultimately the same goals we still seek
- 00:09:25today
- 00:09:27how well we've achieved those goals are
- 00:09:29not 3D dependent on what plans did we
- 00:09:32need to have in place
- 00:09:34in cycles of five years to focus on
- 00:09:36different elements and what tools did we
- 00:09:39use to improve exactly and goals much of
- 00:09:42what we've seen in that period for a man
- 00:09:44at least was the alignment of the
- 00:09:47five-year plans to the overall vision
- 00:09:49but the challenge was always how to get
- 00:09:52your accounting mind mindset into an
- 00:09:55economic development mindset yes it it's
- 00:09:59very easy for governments anywhere in
- 00:10:00the world
- 00:10:01to think how much can I spend
- 00:10:04and how much revenue do I make that will
- 00:10:06support that spending that's the
- 00:10:08accounting mindset that's the Public
- 00:10:10Finance mindset the development mindset
- 00:10:13is based on what kind of outcomes am I
- 00:10:15going to get some of them are intangible
- 00:10:18and some of them are very tangible so if
- 00:10:20I'm going to spend more on education and
- 00:10:22and also setting the priorities right
- 00:10:24their priorities back then the
- 00:10:26priorities were
- 00:10:27I wouldn't say simpler but less complex
- 00:10:29so
- 00:10:32we've achieved some of the targets that
- 00:10:34we wanted for vision 2020 like improving
- 00:10:36the standard of living which is often
- 00:10:38measured by average income overall in
- 00:10:42the economy and we'll talk more about
- 00:10:43that a bit later but that Improvement
- 00:10:46meant that our spending capability our
- 00:10:49purchasing power in the local economy
- 00:10:50has improved but what we've noticed at
- 00:10:53that period much of that was driven by
- 00:10:55government employment
- 00:10:57that meant that although we improved
- 00:10:59standard of living it was highly
- 00:11:00connected to government spending
- 00:11:02government jobs and later on to how much
- 00:11:05revenue can the government generate so
- 00:11:07that model was not sustainable
- 00:11:10so in the 2000s
- 00:11:13once we got closer to 2020 it was
- 00:11:16necessary not only just to evaluate the
- 00:11:18progress which I must say in some areas
- 00:11:21it was good in some areas it was lacking
- 00:11:23it was a bit of a challenge we had a few
- 00:11:27crises along the way in the 90s and then
- 00:11:30those are also Global crisis Global
- 00:11:32crisis what Global crises do to your
- 00:11:34Visions is them give them a good shake
- 00:11:36up where your objectives will have to be
- 00:11:40realigned and readjusted those
- 00:11:41mechanisms were not in place
- 00:11:43the engagement so that brought us up to
- 00:11:47the early 2000s and I'd say in the teen
- 00:11:51years where it was necessary to revisit
- 00:11:54our vision again
- 00:11:55I'm sorry I will interrupt you in terms
- 00:11:58of the the goals that you set in the
- 00:12:01vision sometimes changes happen because
- 00:12:04you you took us through the the gradual
- 00:12:07change in the the economy yeah from
- 00:12:12agriculture to Industrial and so on and
- 00:12:14uh
- 00:12:15are you in a in a position to change
- 00:12:18some of the aspects or the goals in Your
- 00:12:20Vision based on the global changes or is
- 00:12:24it fixed now for example now we have the
- 00:12:262040 vision and we already have the
- 00:12:29elements absolutely yeah but things do
- 00:12:31change maybe the priorities the economy
- 00:12:35the global economy is going to change so
- 00:12:37are we in a position to change or to you
- 00:12:40know adjust the the vision absolutely I
- 00:12:44think one of the critical things is
- 00:12:45Visions are subject to change
- 00:12:48and if they're not then you've got a
- 00:12:50rigid Vision that does not suit the
- 00:12:52times if we've been planning Visions in
- 00:12:55our part of the world for at least two
- 00:12:58decades ahead
- 00:12:59which means we're looking 20 years into
- 00:13:01the future yes and you know we you do
- 00:13:03this strategy kind of approach what do
- 00:13:06you want to be in 20 years from now
- 00:13:08where are you now and how are you going
- 00:13:10to get there
- 00:13:11so in a man's experience in visioning
- 00:13:15for 2040 it started in about 2016 or so
- 00:13:18where we're 15 or before where I was
- 00:13:22fortunate to be engaged earlier on with
- 00:13:24a group of people into how would we
- 00:13:27Vision before talking about the vision
- 00:13:29and one should be mindful that Visions
- 00:13:32are really high level
- 00:13:34we should be careful not to set too many
- 00:13:36targets and Visions because those will
- 00:13:38quickly go Wayward because as you've
- 00:13:40correctly pointed out changes are going
- 00:13:42to happen
- 00:13:43so in the process of the visioning which
- 00:13:46involved thousands of Armani's and
- 00:13:48residents in our man
- 00:13:50youth elderly middle age young people
- 00:13:54into what do we want that was the first
- 00:13:56question
- 00:13:57so you know everyone had a lot of
- 00:14:00perspectives and a lot of Demands of
- 00:14:02what this Vision should be but
- 00:14:03ultimately for a man that boiled down to
- 00:14:0712 National priorities and this is where
- 00:14:09I come back to the point you've
- 00:14:10mentioned about priorities so if you're
- 00:14:12going to have a vision for your country
- 00:14:13whatever that vision is a man is going
- 00:14:15to be amongst the advanced economies in
- 00:14:18the world and that's the slogan that we
- 00:14:19have
- 00:14:20what does it mean to be amongst
- 00:14:22do you want to be number one that's a
- 00:14:24broad statement exactly so the 12
- 00:14:27priorities came to Anchor those
- 00:14:30expectations what do we want for
- 00:14:33um our governance as a government as a
- 00:14:36service provider as a planner as a
- 00:14:40social protector if you like all of
- 00:14:42these elements meant that there were
- 00:14:44some elements required of the
- 00:14:45institutions so governance became very
- 00:14:48important what do we want for our
- 00:14:49environment sustainability became an
- 00:14:52important element what do we want for a
- 00:14:54private sector further participation
- 00:14:57obviously there are numbers put out
- 00:14:58there but I'm wary of numbers because
- 00:15:00change means those numbers would have to
- 00:15:02adjust and they will adjust yes what do
- 00:15:04you want for a labor market what do we
- 00:15:06want for Education our health
- 00:15:08so those 12 priorities which are
- 00:15:11National consensus and it isn't simply
- 00:15:13because a decision maker decided or an
- 00:15:16academic or a technical person or an
- 00:15:18economist or a social scientist decided
- 00:15:20this is how it should be
- 00:15:21there are strategic directions which
- 00:15:24means what that this is what we want
- 00:15:27um we've got four pillars in Oman
- 00:15:29institutions the environment people and
- 00:15:32society and the economy the economy gets
- 00:15:36the Lion's Share of these priorities
- 00:15:37because it's interacting with all of the
- 00:15:39other ones so from the 12 there's about
- 00:15:4160 percent of them involved in labor
- 00:15:44market foreign direct investment uh
- 00:15:47trade all of these aspects why they're
- 00:15:51critical because under them there are a
- 00:15:53number of strategic goals and these are
- 00:15:55open-ended in some ways we're going to
- 00:15:58better manage our environment
- 00:15:59our use of Natural Resources is going to
- 00:16:02be more balanced
- 00:16:04these need to be open-ended because from
- 00:16:06when we've set the vision and launched
- 00:16:09it his Majesty's
- 00:16:11in 2020 approved the launch of the the
- 00:16:17vision itself and the adoption of it
- 00:16:19we needed to have Direction
- 00:16:22is Oman going to continue using
- 00:16:23hydrocarbons for energy for example
- 00:16:25within the vision there were targets set
- 00:16:28for about 40 percent of our energy in
- 00:16:31our mind when we produce from Renewables
- 00:16:33by when 2014 inshallah how are we going
- 00:16:36to do that are we going to use solar are
- 00:16:38we going to use wind are we going to use
- 00:16:40we have an alternative
- 00:16:42what comes after are policies that
- 00:16:45support those National priorities and
- 00:16:47strategic Direction
- 00:16:49if the change today as it is today the
- 00:16:51Tilt towards green hydrogen as a source
- 00:16:54of energy in the next 20 years that's
- 00:16:56what Herman's positioning itself
- 00:16:58let's say 10 years down the road green
- 00:17:00hydrogen is viable but there are other
- 00:17:02new technologies at amankan that
- 00:17:05flexibility is there is there and that
- 00:17:08gets applied in those five-year plans
- 00:17:10so what we've seen in the five-year
- 00:17:12plans today
- 00:17:13is the 10th plan is focusing on the
- 00:17:16pillars of the vision itself and mapping
- 00:17:20many of the programs many of the
- 00:17:22projects not just physically building
- 00:17:23things projects to improve education in
- 00:17:27the science and math for example
- 00:17:29uh projects to improve access to
- 00:17:31Universal Health uh Financial inclusion
- 00:17:34these are all Cod projects but not
- 00:17:37physically projects they're projects to
- 00:17:39access electronic payments all feedback
- 00:17:41into the ultimate goal a society that is
- 00:17:44creative a society that is innovative a
- 00:17:46society that is able to generate more
- 00:17:49knowledge be a knowledge-based economy
- 00:17:51Etc so the Visions are really what you
- 00:17:54want to do you set yourself a goal but a
- 00:17:56very long-term goal but the path to it
- 00:17:59isn't a straight line we find for many
- 00:18:01countries including Aman you have to
- 00:18:03navigate those changes the ups and a
- 00:18:06pandemic through a wrench into their
- 00:18:08whole works nobody expected it nobody
- 00:18:10expected but what it taught us is how do
- 00:18:13we manage such crises
- 00:18:15do we have the systems do we have the
- 00:18:18social safety nets do we have the right
- 00:18:21support
- 00:18:22do we are we able to manage it not just
- 00:18:25as governments as individuals are we
- 00:18:27able to leverage on the lessons learned
- 00:18:30Visions don't give you those answers the
- 00:18:32Visions remind you that once you've
- 00:18:34tripped and got up again hang on that is
- 00:18:38still the right direction we're headed
- 00:18:39to but now we need to think differently
- 00:18:41about it
- 00:18:43now Dr Adam do you think the General
- 00:18:47Public
- 00:18:48understand the vision
- 00:18:51or they can comprehend with what is
- 00:18:53going on
- 00:18:54I think one of the things that all of us
- 00:18:57as Citizens
- 00:18:59is we're a bit detached
- 00:19:02from the general sort of
- 00:19:06government dialogue because we tend to
- 00:19:09be consumed in our own lives yes we're
- 00:19:11very concerned with waking up going to
- 00:19:14our university schools and jobs earning
- 00:19:17a living you know spending all of those
- 00:19:21things that naturally every citizen in
- 00:19:24any country is focused on that sort of
- 00:19:27what you might describe as a very small
- 00:19:28Locus circle of friends or families and
- 00:19:31that's that's your life so when
- 00:19:33governments talk about visions
- 00:19:36they this tends to be a very abstract
- 00:19:38thing when I tell you that we will
- 00:19:40double the standard of living
- 00:19:42people say what do you mean is it going
- 00:19:44to change my income is it going to add
- 00:19:47more money in my pocket am I going to
- 00:19:49have a bigger house are my children
- 00:19:51going to be in a better school what does
- 00:19:53it what does it mean exactly so standard
- 00:19:56of living is one of the trickiest things
- 00:19:57that people use and in Arabic we say
- 00:20:00Rafa
- 00:20:03and probably you know this better than I
- 00:20:05do the context means luxury yes but when
- 00:20:09we talk about welfare and well-being
- 00:20:11we're talking about standard of livings
- 00:20:14on how well you live
- 00:20:16that means there is no lack of
- 00:20:21opportunity there is no lack of choice
- 00:20:23there is no lack of ability to act on
- 00:20:27your decisions freely within the law
- 00:20:29meaning think some of them some of the
- 00:20:32things will be tangible and some of the
- 00:20:34things will be intangible one of the
- 00:20:36interesting things I like about when you
- 00:20:38talk about development and development
- 00:20:40economics is it is a saying that
- 00:20:42defining it people Define it by you know
- 00:20:45having
- 00:20:47highways and cars and high rises and
- 00:20:51whatever it is and you say hang on
- 00:20:52that's economic development but the most
- 00:20:55basic definition that I like is the
- 00:20:58ability to act on opportunities the
- 00:21:02ability to make those choices unhindered
- 00:21:06in such a way that you can better your
- 00:21:09own so no one is doing it for you but
- 00:21:12your ability to do so so if we compare
- 00:21:14countries across the world and we think
- 00:21:16about this Economic Development idea in
- 00:21:19some countries you're unable to start up
- 00:21:21your own business
- 00:21:23not because it's impossible but you
- 00:21:25don't have the resources or the ability
- 00:21:27to get to the right
- 00:21:29process if you like yes there is no
- 00:21:33internet access which means you're
- 00:21:35unable to communicate with potentially
- 00:21:38would-be customers there is no telephone
- 00:21:40there is no payments available to you
- 00:21:43there's no the the infrastructure to to
- 00:21:46facilitate you exactly and the
- 00:21:49infrastructure is not just as tangible
- 00:21:50as you've pointed out the intangible one
- 00:21:53that is but the fact that you're able to
- 00:21:56makes a whole lot of difference
- 00:21:59then when you say yes we have high rises
- 00:22:02but I can't live in them because they're
- 00:22:05either too expensive
- 00:22:06they're not designed suitably for mice
- 00:22:08standard of living
- 00:22:11um
- 00:22:11or they're empty they look nice they're
- 00:22:14glittery and whatnot and this is the
- 00:22:16mistake we fall into sometimes you look
- 00:22:19at the neighboring countries and you see
- 00:22:21all these skyscrapers and you say oh
- 00:22:24they have a very strong economy
- 00:22:26based on what you see and this is one of
- 00:22:29the tricks that often I mean have it
- 00:22:32driving down here
- 00:22:33um I see a lot of these apartment
- 00:22:35buildings yes
- 00:22:37wow these haven't been here before
- 00:22:39because every time you come to one area
- 00:22:41and you see more high rises or or
- 00:22:43apartment buildings the assumption is
- 00:22:45there's more happening behind the scenes
- 00:22:48there could be a lot of debt driving
- 00:22:49that
- 00:22:50building and that that perhaps not
- 00:22:52always paid back and honestly when you
- 00:22:54come in the evening the it's total
- 00:22:56darkness it's not empty
- 00:22:58interesting that you've said Darkness
- 00:23:00one of the indicators of Economic
- 00:23:02Development
- 00:23:03is how much electricity is being used
- 00:23:06and visible at night
- 00:23:09and a lot of satellite images show you
- 00:23:12these night sort of area images exactly
- 00:23:15if you compare any country over time you
- 00:23:17see the area lit up area grow or time
- 00:23:20this is not necessarily the case in
- 00:23:23every country just because you have more
- 00:23:24if no one is living in those areas no
- 00:23:26one is using those roads and no
- 00:23:28electricity will be wasted in that area
- 00:23:30so you'll find a lot of it is shut down
- 00:23:32interesting it's not an economic
- 00:23:34indicator in the sense of numbers it's
- 00:23:36just simply a visual indicator but
- 00:23:39we mix up a lot of the what we see and
- 00:23:41what we assume you know you go to a
- 00:23:43model you see a lot of people walk in
- 00:23:44the mall you think Oh Hang on we're okay
- 00:23:46what are you talking about bad Economic
- 00:23:48Times well most of them are window
- 00:23:49shopping exactly and you see this in
- 00:23:52every country around where people are
- 00:23:54very careful how much they spend and how
- 00:23:56much now
- 00:23:58going back to that question of
- 00:24:00are we aware of visions
- 00:24:02for all those reasons of what we see
- 00:24:04around us and assume that there's good
- 00:24:08things happening or bad things happening
- 00:24:10we don't really see the big picture
- 00:24:12because Visions are often communicated
- 00:24:14in a very dry way
- 00:24:16we often say we will do this and we'll
- 00:24:18be very Rosy about how we do it which is
- 00:24:21nice but what we've tried to do here in
- 00:24:24Amman is not only put out the vision
- 00:24:27which a lot of people were involved with
- 00:24:29but those were
- 00:24:31who are not directly involved with it
- 00:24:33often receive it either as a document
- 00:24:35that is to them too long to read or the
- 00:24:38language isn't preferably I wouldn't say
- 00:24:41readable but you user-friendly yeah it
- 00:24:44is absolutely I mean the production of
- 00:24:46the document itself is very easy to read
- 00:24:48I use it for my students and then when
- 00:24:50I forced them to read it and then I tell
- 00:24:53them listen you guys have to read this
- 00:24:54because I'm going to ask you about it
- 00:24:55and I find they never complain about the
- 00:24:57readability because it's both in Arabic
- 00:24:59and English but also the way it's set
- 00:25:01out even the process the problem is how
- 00:25:03we use that tool to say
- 00:25:06for example here in your channel you're
- 00:25:09saying I've created the channel I'm
- 00:25:10doing all of this because of the vision
- 00:25:14where do you fit into this big picture
- 00:25:18so yeah I don't know I'm just doing my
- 00:25:20job I'm educating people I'm engaging
- 00:25:22people I'm like no no where are you
- 00:25:25fitted in this whole big picture
- 00:25:28we've done a bit of work not the
- 00:25:30academic but on a Consulting side with
- 00:25:33organizations that look to align
- 00:25:34themselves to the vision
- 00:25:37and we ask a very simple question are
- 00:25:39you aware of it some will say yes some
- 00:25:41will say no so we go down to
- 00:25:43where is this where did it come from why
- 00:25:45is it important for you I was like yeah
- 00:25:47I'm a TV channel I'm a podcast Channel
- 00:25:50I'm a internet Channel
- 00:25:51this has nothing to do with me I was
- 00:25:53like no no you're part of it
- 00:25:55when we talk about the identity element
- 00:25:57of Oman Vision 2040 one of the key
- 00:26:00elements for society is
- 00:26:02individuals or citizens who are proud of
- 00:26:04their identity
- 00:26:06like yeah we're all proud we're wearing
- 00:26:09our clothing we're wearing our houses
- 00:26:10economic visioning and
- 00:26:13part of your belongingness or belonging
- 00:26:16to a nation is the ability to be
- 00:26:20productive and add value to that Nation
- 00:26:22whether do you do it in culture whether
- 00:26:24you do it in business whether you do it
- 00:26:26in anything you're being an active
- 00:26:28member
- 00:26:29if you don't sense that belonging if you
- 00:26:31don't have that sense of belonging you
- 00:26:34are less likely to work less likely to
- 00:26:36save less likely to spend because you're
- 00:26:39constantly feeling the fear of this is
- 00:26:42not home this I'm not settled I'm not
- 00:26:44part of all of this and you don't feel
- 00:26:47that you're contributing to exhibition
- 00:26:49yourself so
- 00:26:50this is a very small element of the big
- 00:26:52picture if you're going to have a sense
- 00:26:55of belonging and we're able to instill
- 00:26:57that how do we instill sets of belonging
- 00:26:59do we chant
- 00:27:00rhetorics do we get people involved
- 00:27:05people engaged
- 00:27:07all of that means that someone has to do
- 00:27:09this if it's not going to be the
- 00:27:10government it's going to be us as
- 00:27:11individuals and each one of us is going
- 00:27:13to take it upon himself for herself to
- 00:27:15do so as individuals it's easy to say
- 00:27:18listen I relate to The Vision by doing
- 00:27:19one two three but as organizations you
- 00:27:22need to take a more structured role
- 00:27:24that's why you need to understand if I'm
- 00:27:27an institution in education I need to
- 00:27:29decide which part am I gonna I can't fit
- 00:27:32the whole bill
- 00:27:33I'm going to help create more Innovation
- 00:27:35through research fair enough
- 00:27:37how are you going to fund that research
- 00:27:39Government funding
- 00:27:41through private sector exactly I'm going
- 00:27:43to engage with industry to solve
- 00:27:45Solutions
- 00:27:47um I'm going to align myself with other
- 00:27:50partners who are going to help me get to
- 00:27:51that level International and local once
- 00:27:55you get that that's when you start to
- 00:27:56become relevant the vision becomes
- 00:27:58relevant to you and you start to add
- 00:28:01value as individuals we're a bit more
- 00:28:03removed from all that picture
- 00:28:06but if I'm not aware of it if I am not
- 00:28:11in my generation and the Next Generation
- 00:28:13the one after feel connected to it the
- 00:28:16sense of purpose is lost to all of us
- 00:28:18many people believe that governments are
- 00:28:20the only ones who lead the visions
- 00:28:24the leadership is there
- 00:28:26but when the government says I want to
- 00:28:29change all of my services into
- 00:28:31electronically delivered Services it
- 00:28:33impacts everybody exactly but as Society
- 00:28:36if we do not accept that
- 00:28:39how do we reach those ultimate goals of
- 00:28:42better service provision better
- 00:28:44transparency reduction in corruption all
- 00:28:47of the things that we Society want
- 00:28:49but listen I don't wanna you know I
- 00:28:52don't want to use e-payments I want to
- 00:28:53pay cash
- 00:28:55there's a small business that is very
- 00:28:58easy of using cash because it might get
- 00:29:00lost misplaced or whatever it rather
- 00:29:02does all of its systems electronically
- 00:29:05easier to pick or the small business is
- 00:29:08a bit wary of using all of these
- 00:29:10Technologies and really likes the cash
- 00:29:13business you know cash on delivery and
- 00:29:15and you know it's a cash basis it's much
- 00:29:17easier there's less of a headache how
- 00:29:19are we going to move these smaller
- 00:29:21businesses or mid-sized businesses into
- 00:29:23better performing better service
- 00:29:25providers whatever they do if they do
- 00:29:28not accept going on to this journey yes
- 00:29:32so I think for individuals the relevance
- 00:29:35will always be how do I conduct my life
- 00:29:38around these services
- 00:29:40and how do I take advantage of what is
- 00:29:44available
- 00:29:45in less of a hassle if you like
- 00:29:48improving going back to that definition
- 00:29:50of improving my ability
- 00:29:53to achieve all of the things I want to
- 00:29:56because this whole system Now is better
- 00:29:58than what it used to be prior you know 5
- 00:30:0110 20 30 40 years ago as part of this
- 00:30:04journey towards the bigger Vision if you
- 00:30:06allow me we're gonna take a short break
- 00:30:08and then come back and discuss more
- 00:30:11topics about economics
- 00:30:14[Music]
- 00:30:18dear brothers and sisters welcome back
- 00:30:20to dome podcast and my honorable guest
- 00:30:23Is His Highness assayed Dr Adam al-side
- 00:30:27welcome back doctor thank you now Victor
- 00:30:29how do we understand economics in
- 00:30:33general
- 00:30:34now
- 00:30:35moving away from theories because you
- 00:30:38know no one likes theories
- 00:30:39um we often when we want to understand
- 00:30:41any economy we look at numbers
- 00:30:44and
- 00:30:46today we have so many ways of thinking
- 00:30:48about those numbers and how they affect
- 00:30:50us but often more than none when you
- 00:30:52read the newspapers and when you look at
- 00:30:54any sort of trade journals
- 00:30:56economists generally look at very high
- 00:30:58level indicators to start with yes so we
- 00:31:01think of the gross domestic product
- 00:31:03which is the output produced in economy
- 00:31:05we think of inflation as the cost of
- 00:31:07living and we think of unemployment sort
- 00:31:10of the fraction of people who are able
- 00:31:13to work and want to work but cannot find
- 00:31:15jobs yes and then the other elements
- 00:31:18that we also focus on is Public Finance
- 00:31:20government revenues government spending
- 00:31:24and the gap between those two so we talk
- 00:31:26about things like deficits government
- 00:31:28debts and how that might be met
- 00:31:32and finally we look at the external
- 00:31:34factors we look at trade exports and
- 00:31:37imports we look at exchange rates and
- 00:31:40the balance of payments which divides
- 00:31:42itself into trade balance the difference
- 00:31:45between importing and exporting and the
- 00:31:48current account now the first three are
- 00:31:51what we often think of as the vital
- 00:31:52signs I often when I describe these I
- 00:31:55tell people
- 00:31:57um when La cadilla you go to the doctor
- 00:31:59yes they often take you to triage just
- 00:32:02before you you kind of go in and they
- 00:32:04check your temperature they check your
- 00:32:06weight they check your height they check
- 00:32:07your blood pressure these are initial
- 00:32:10indicators of whether you are unwell
- 00:32:13at least visibly and they're able to get
- 00:32:18a feel for where you are you know
- 00:32:20health-wise you know if you're a bit
- 00:32:22overweight for your height you know your
- 00:32:23age or so and so but those are never
- 00:32:26enough
- 00:32:27doctors will always move on to the next
- 00:32:29thing have more investment exactly
- 00:32:31physical pathologies and whatnot
- 00:32:34but if you were to diagnose economies
- 00:32:36based on the three indicators very
- 00:32:38clearly you just don't look at them at
- 00:32:39one point in time you have to look at
- 00:32:41them over time and see whether this
- 00:32:45gross domestic product the output how
- 00:32:47much was produced in your
- 00:32:49General geographical borders
- 00:32:51you produced in the simplest forms three
- 00:32:54apples two computers and three visits to
- 00:32:58the dentist yes there's a service
- 00:33:00there's an output and there's you know
- 00:33:02the output is food and then technology
- 00:33:05but if that keeps increasing over time
- 00:33:08that's a positive sign
- 00:33:10but does it increase because it costs
- 00:33:12more or does it increase because you're
- 00:33:13just simply producing because we're
- 00:33:15using our manuals dollars or Euros
- 00:33:18numbers which makes it much easier the
- 00:33:21best example to think of this is
- 00:33:22whenever you go to grocery shopping and
- 00:33:25you pick up that very long receipt total
- 00:33:27waste of paper but you know you read
- 00:33:29through it and you find all of the items
- 00:33:31listed their price quantity
- 00:33:35all of that adds up to a single number
- 00:33:37so did you spend more on your grocery
- 00:33:39this month
- 00:33:41there's no way for you to know you might
- 00:33:43have bought two bananas there's no
- 00:33:44comparison no comparison but when you
- 00:33:46look at those receipts you look at the
- 00:33:48numbers and say hang on I just spent
- 00:33:49another 10 reals
- 00:33:51more than last month yes
- 00:33:54but that 10 reals did it buy you more
- 00:33:58or buy the same quantity really depends
- 00:34:01on whether it cost you more to buy those
- 00:34:03groceries or not so the value of the the
- 00:34:05product has increased exactly so often
- 00:34:08many people read the newspaper and say
- 00:34:10the output of our country increased by
- 00:34:1330 percent from say a year ago
- 00:34:1730 percent is a huge output think of it
- 00:34:20this way last year you produced what's
- 00:34:22worth 10 reals this year you produce
- 00:34:25something worth about 13 rails
- 00:34:28a 13 reals
- 00:34:30when you took it in the country that's
- 00:34:31in billions oman's output today is about
- 00:34:3430 billion plus or minorials in dollars
- 00:34:37if you multiply by 2.5 that's about 75
- 00:34:40to 80 billion dollars if you compare
- 00:34:43this to a decade ago it's by far much
- 00:34:45larger if you compare it to five decades
- 00:34:47ago it's
- 00:34:49many many times over
- 00:34:51this means that over time a man's
- 00:34:53capability to produce more things has
- 00:34:55increased which is a positive sign but
- 00:34:57economists don't stop there they go back
- 00:34:59and say what was it last year the year
- 00:35:00before and the year before and we will
- 00:35:03notice that it's been going up and down
- 00:35:05so economies go through Cycles
- 00:35:08and these Cycles mean that at certain
- 00:35:10times you're producing more
- 00:35:12at certain times you're producing less
- 00:35:14at certain times you're producing the
- 00:35:16same roughly the same amount but there's
- 00:35:19a price hike
- 00:35:21such as we've seen in 2022 in oil prices
- 00:35:24yes so a man's economy is roughly
- 00:35:28divided about 35 to 40 percent oil and
- 00:35:30gas and the rest is Services Public
- 00:35:33Services wholesale retail tourism Etc
- 00:35:36all of these things put together
- 00:35:38education and health and whatnot
- 00:35:40so when the 40 Value
- 00:35:43just in dollars goes up with the same
- 00:35:45production of say about a million
- 00:35:47barrels per day goes up say from sixty
- 00:35:50dollars to seventy dollars
- 00:35:52Aman's economy suddenly unknown in
- 00:35:55numbers increases
- 00:35:57and were quite pleasantly happy about
- 00:35:59that the problem when you go back and
- 00:36:01look at it we say did we produce more no
- 00:36:04the same quantity the same quantity and
- 00:36:06hence we are careful that sometimes
- 00:36:09inflated prices can be a bit tricky and
- 00:36:12send the wrong signal so economists will
- 00:36:15often use the word real output
- 00:36:19means physical outputs so if you're like
- 00:36:21how many fingers do I have in my hand
- 00:36:22like they're four fingers yeah and I was
- 00:36:25like all right now if I add the thumb to
- 00:36:27it now I have five fingers that's a real
- 00:36:29change in numbers physical change as
- 00:36:32you've pointed correctly two baskets
- 00:36:34from year one to year two are going to
- 00:36:36be very different
- 00:36:37so when we hear in the news 30 increase
- 00:36:40in our output we should ask where did
- 00:36:43this change come from if it's in prices
- 00:36:46at least from the economic perspective
- 00:36:48that worries us because it means there's
- 00:36:51no more activity than there was before
- 00:36:54it's just that it costs more now for
- 00:36:56whomever is buying that out so it means
- 00:36:58there's no development there's no like
- 00:37:00increase in production or growth I would
- 00:37:02rather rather than say development I'll
- 00:37:03use the word growth
- 00:37:06in the last couple of years especially
- 00:37:08is that has been modest growth
- 00:37:11it's about one to two percent uh or a
- 00:37:14little bit more in non-oil activities
- 00:37:17which is the better gauge for our type
- 00:37:19of economy
- 00:37:20but in any economy when you look at
- 00:37:22change you want to see did we produce
- 00:37:24more apples and computers and dentist
- 00:37:27Services among many other things or are
- 00:37:30they the same
- 00:37:31but if
- 00:37:33the cases for an economy that there's no
- 00:37:36change in physical output but a higher
- 00:37:38price we shift to the other indicator
- 00:37:40which is inflation yes inflation people
- 00:37:43think yeah I went out today and I'll use
- 00:37:46a very rudimentary example and bought
- 00:37:48myself some tomatoes and they cost
- 00:37:52twice as much as they did last month
- 00:37:55there must be inflation
- 00:37:57the cost of living has gone up
- 00:38:00economists will say wait a minute
- 00:38:03did all of the other items you buy
- 00:38:05increase in price
- 00:38:07it's like no no it was just the tomatoes
- 00:38:10economists will classify that as
- 00:38:12Tomatoes prices have gone up
- 00:38:15I said no no it cost me more to buy my
- 00:38:17groceries or more it's like yeah but
- 00:38:19tomatoes are perhaps a fraction of your
- 00:38:22food budget
- 00:38:24in fact I don't think many people buy
- 00:38:25them on a regular basis or whatever it
- 00:38:28is depending on the need exactly so you
- 00:38:31could switch from Tomatoes if they're
- 00:38:33too expensive
- 00:38:34and still maintain your budget
- 00:38:36so when we think of inflation we think
- 00:38:38of it as a basket of products that you
- 00:38:40as an individual or business even buy
- 00:38:44and then how does this basket change
- 00:38:46over time now this basket is not simply
- 00:38:48tomatoes and
- 00:38:50you know coffee and tea whatever it is
- 00:38:52it's everything that you buy so how to
- 00:38:54goes every month and spends 10 reals two
- 00:38:56reals are going to be spent on or 2.5 on
- 00:38:58food another 2.5 on Transportation One
- 00:39:02real on entertainment another you know
- 00:39:04500 bases on health and another 250
- 00:39:08basis on education these all become
- 00:39:10little fractions of the bigger 10 reals
- 00:39:13that you've spent you buy the same thing
- 00:39:16every month and you spend the same
- 00:39:18amount of phone calls internet
- 00:39:20everything services and goods but now
- 00:39:22you pay 11 reals next month yes so on
- 00:39:26average you're paying more for the same
- 00:39:27basket
- 00:39:30someone say hang on
- 00:39:31what's going on it's costing me more to
- 00:39:33buy things so in very simple terms
- 00:39:36inflation doesn't look at just the 11
- 00:39:39reals it looks at the percentage
- 00:39:41increase from the 10 Rials to the 11
- 00:39:43reals and says your basket has just gone
- 00:39:47up by 10 percent
- 00:39:49someone will say wow 10 that's a lot of
- 00:39:51increase right
- 00:39:53if it's 100 years if it's a thousand
- 00:39:55reals ten percent it goes up so you do
- 00:39:58we have inflation now the answer is yes
- 00:40:00how is it different from the Tomato
- 00:40:02example
- 00:40:03inflation very simply is
- 00:40:05it costs you more on average to buy the
- 00:40:08same Goods compared to a previous period
- 00:40:11last month last year what we've seen
- 00:40:14around the world in the last few years
- 00:40:16is that the price of food the price of
- 00:40:21Essentials has gone up significantly for
- 00:40:24two main reasons is it because of the
- 00:40:26demand and Supply perfect
- 00:40:28one of the things that drives prices
- 00:40:32is wanting to buy more of the same
- 00:40:35products and there's limited quantity
- 00:40:36yes
- 00:40:38this is what we often describe as demand
- 00:40:40driven or demand to push inflation we as
- 00:40:43consumers are the cause think of real
- 00:40:45estate real estate is always limited it
- 00:40:47takes time to build more stuff so if
- 00:40:50everyone wants to live in a specific
- 00:40:51area and they have the resources and the
- 00:40:53means to buy so the prices that shoot up
- 00:40:55will shoot up
- 00:40:57like why is someone being greedy
- 00:40:59is someone trying to charge more if we
- 00:41:02have a market that's very open you can
- 00:41:04charge
- 00:41:0520 over the price what should be and
- 00:41:08everyone say no we're not buying from
- 00:41:09you so they normally there's no cap for
- 00:41:13the people just yeah but someone who
- 00:41:14said uh example of nfts yes
- 00:41:18when they first started the numbers were
- 00:41:19crazy we're talking tens of thousands if
- 00:41:21not more
- 00:41:23Than People realize very quickly hang on
- 00:41:25there's too few of these they started
- 00:41:26producing more of theirs the markets
- 00:41:28will adjust as long as nothing is
- 00:41:30stopping them but when the capacity to
- 00:41:33to make more or make more available
- 00:41:35build more or provide more of a service
- 00:41:37or a good but there's still more Demand
- 00:41:40on that because there's more income in
- 00:41:42our pockets we're able to buy more
- 00:41:44suddenly we'll find that the prices will
- 00:41:47pick up to meet that demand so less
- 00:41:49people will be able to buy compared to
- 00:41:51before at a higher price
- 00:41:53often people think of this as Merchants
- 00:41:55being greedy and whatnot but the
- 00:41:57merchants have limited Supply in their
- 00:41:59storage naturally to meet that extra
- 00:42:02demand to produce more they have to pay
- 00:42:05more wages they have to pay more
- 00:42:06electricity they have to pay more fuel
- 00:42:08all of these costs me and the price will
- 00:42:10eventually now here we're assuming and
- 00:42:13the word assuming is always problematic
- 00:42:15that this is a free market there's no
- 00:42:18control over the product or service and
- 00:42:21everyone who sees an opportunity can
- 00:42:23enter the market example is the Shale
- 00:42:26gas industry in the US yes to set up the
- 00:42:29setup you need money but the setup is
- 00:42:31much easier to create a rig for Shale
- 00:42:34gas compared to a rig for proper gas
- 00:42:37that we have in our part of the world
- 00:42:39not that they didn't get hurt but you
- 00:42:42could see the numbers changing by the
- 00:42:43hundreds if not thousands when the
- 00:42:45prices shot up to the hundred dollar for
- 00:42:48oil because the opportunity was there
- 00:42:49yes so that's one side of the story the
- 00:42:53other side of the story is when we've
- 00:42:54had supply chain effects where shutdowns
- 00:42:57and lockdowns in 2020 and parts of 21
- 00:43:00and even up to more recently in China
- 00:43:03the challenge was before reopening was
- 00:43:06that many factories might be shut down
- 00:43:08suddenly because of the zero covet
- 00:43:10policy now that they've abandoned it we
- 00:43:13hope that that would reduce the pressure
- 00:43:15on the supply chains but many businesses
- 00:43:17went out and they lost in Oman in the
- 00:43:20rest of the world that meant that your
- 00:43:22provider of say the coffee for your cup
- 00:43:25of coffee or tea is suddenly out of
- 00:43:27business I need to find a new supplier
- 00:43:29that new supplier is engaged with other
- 00:43:32retailers and wholesalers they cannot
- 00:43:34provide you today so your business today
- 00:43:37has a problem
- 00:43:39how do I make use of the existing coffee
- 00:43:41that I have
- 00:43:43the price has to go up otherwise I
- 00:43:45cannot get any more coffee later on so
- 00:43:47the supply Side Story means that there
- 00:43:50is less available and the price
- 00:43:52eventually goes up because the demand is
- 00:43:54there is not being met there's not
- 00:43:56enough there so inflation happens on
- 00:43:59both sides
- 00:44:00we as consumers just sense the final
- 00:44:03price
- 00:44:04so how how do we deal with that we just
- 00:44:07have to Fork out more money or make
- 00:44:09decisions on what to delay or differ in
- 00:44:12our payments for these products you
- 00:44:15might think hang on I'm paying too much
- 00:44:17money for entertainment I'm going to
- 00:44:18cancel some of my subscriptions so
- 00:44:21you're prioritizing your spending so you
- 00:44:24you focus more on what you need than
- 00:44:27what you want
- 00:44:29now here's the biggest challenge I've
- 00:44:31just made a huge assumption that a you
- 00:44:34will make those substitutions
- 00:44:36and B
- 00:44:39some of your spending is
- 00:44:42called ancillary or subject to that
- 00:44:45those changes but where it hits hard if
- 00:44:4960 of your budget 70 of your budget goes
- 00:44:53to housing and food
- 00:44:56and the other goes to your kids
- 00:44:57education
- 00:44:59where the margins are so small that
- 00:45:02a one real difference could break the
- 00:45:05budget
- 00:45:06a five real here or it's not the luxury
- 00:45:08of getting your coffee from a gourmet
- 00:45:10coffee place or you know necessarily
- 00:45:14that you are paying extremely high fees
- 00:45:17for a very luxurious education for your
- 00:45:19kids otherwise luxurious doesn't work
- 00:45:21very well with education thank you but
- 00:45:24you know you're
- 00:45:26a better Education Service exactly
- 00:45:28sometimes better sometimes you know that
- 00:45:31in itself is a different story but
- 00:45:35many people don't have that luxury
- 00:45:37and their budgets are living on the edge
- 00:45:41they've got commitments they've got
- 00:45:43loans and they've got you know all of
- 00:45:45those challenges so inflation can be
- 00:45:47very problematic that's why for example
- 00:45:49a man the government tries to reduce the
- 00:45:52impact by using subsidies on fuels they
- 00:45:56were meant to be removed electricity and
- 00:45:58yeah the bills in general many and you
- 00:46:00still find those in our in our bills you
- 00:46:01see what percentage has been covered the
- 00:46:04food items the Staples are being
- 00:46:06supported so the wholesalers are being
- 00:46:08paid to compensate them for the
- 00:46:10international prices yes because they
- 00:46:12have to pay those there's no option if
- 00:46:14you're going to bring rice and rice is
- 00:46:15more expensive
- 00:46:17someone has to pay the difference to
- 00:46:18bring the price down in the local market
- 00:46:20yeah so it becomes a huge challenge in
- 00:46:242022 we paid more than a billion reals
- 00:46:27collectively for all of that support
- 00:46:31a billion reals out of a budget of about
- 00:46:3312 billion reals
- 00:46:35that's about eight to nine percent it's
- 00:46:37a lot it's a lot of money a lot of money
- 00:46:39that's not producing anything
- 00:46:41it's just gauging us because
- 00:46:43alhamdulillah we've been fortunate that
- 00:46:44we're able to do this otherwise we'd
- 00:46:46have seen the prices increase much
- 00:46:47higher
- 00:46:48than what they have they've increased
- 00:46:50about three to four percent over the
- 00:46:51last couple of years again not all
- 00:46:54prices it's not the price of coffee no
- 00:46:55one cares about you know product X you
- 00:46:59know fancy coffee going up by another
- 00:47:00200 bases it is
- 00:47:03you know I'll go back to the tomatoes if
- 00:47:04the tomatoes was a staple yes and it
- 00:47:07goes up by two three hundred bases it
- 00:47:10will affect you you know if your
- 00:47:12children's education goes up by another
- 00:47:13100 reals it will affect you and you
- 00:47:16have six children that's six it's a
- 00:47:17necessity exactly and that's where
- 00:47:20inflation is
- 00:47:21this kind of seeps into the story of
- 00:47:24unemployment
- 00:47:26so we have output changing up or down
- 00:47:28we're producing more or less
- 00:47:31price is affecting not only consumers
- 00:47:33but producers because when producers
- 00:47:35have to pay more they pass on the prices
- 00:47:38the protection Max that we have here is
- 00:47:40consumer protection does not allow you
- 00:47:42to change your prices immediately it has
- 00:47:45to be approved so businesses have to
- 00:47:47absorb some of those costs yeah some
- 00:47:50businesses to some extent can but when
- 00:47:53you're on your own business you cannot
- 00:47:54keep absorbing these extra costs
- 00:47:57some of the extra costs come from wages
- 00:48:01when you're mandated to pay a minimum
- 00:48:05wage
- 00:48:06which in our mind is around 325 Rials
- 00:48:09per month well maybe the income value is
- 00:48:11coming to the company is not sufficient
- 00:48:12enough to cover the the wages sub May
- 00:48:15deem 325 not sufficient yes which
- 00:48:18arguably it isn't but as a 23 year old
- 00:48:22graduate from University with zero
- 00:48:25experience
- 00:48:26you find it challenging to find a job
- 00:48:28easily because of the experience lack of
- 00:48:30if you're a school dropout for whatever
- 00:48:32reason if you're a university Dropout
- 00:48:35for whatever reason
- 00:48:37where can you find employment at that
- 00:48:39stage it's extremely difficult
- 00:48:41because you're deemed either
- 00:48:43unqualified or uncapable or unskilled
- 00:48:47so minimum wage was meant to have an
- 00:48:49introduction
- 00:48:50it's not for someone who has experience
- 00:48:53it shouldn't be for a first time entrant
- 00:48:55into the job market with some
- 00:48:57qualifications some basic skills
- 00:49:00uh I would often say it is the job that
- 00:49:03determines the wage and not your
- 00:49:04qualification that determines the wage
- 00:49:06yes but experience and skill is an
- 00:49:09add-on it's a bonus that you would carry
- 00:49:11forward and raise those wages but anyhow
- 00:49:15so for businesses the more I Mandate of
- 00:49:17them to pay higher wages uh direct laws
- 00:49:22or indirect kind of pressure
- 00:49:25this means that their costs go up
- 00:49:27now if this business cannot sustain that
- 00:49:31what happens to the people working in
- 00:49:34that business
- 00:49:35they may lose their jobs
- 00:49:37and that's what we have seen during
- 00:49:39discovered as well right and we're
- 00:49:41talking about people who are working and
- 00:49:43suddenly become unemployed
- 00:49:46when we measure these numbers we look at
- 00:49:49the head count how many people are
- 00:49:51working today public private sector how
- 00:49:55many people from those you know added on
- 00:49:57to those people who form what we call
- 00:49:59the labor force
- 00:50:01who are wanting to work but cannot find
- 00:50:03a job maybe they had a job or maybe
- 00:50:06their first time entrant and they're
- 00:50:07willing and able to seriously find a job
- 00:50:10so the economic definition tends to be a
- 00:50:12bit removed from the social
- 00:50:13sensitivities
- 00:50:15it's very black and white
- 00:50:17hatim are you looking for a job
- 00:50:19you say no I'm employed I'm
- 00:50:21self-employed I work for myself or I
- 00:50:24work for someone yes
- 00:50:26so I had him check he's employed
- 00:50:29at him are you working I was like you
- 00:50:31know Are you seriously looking for a job
- 00:50:33I'm not interested at the moment I'm
- 00:50:35studying I'm writing a book and I don't
- 00:50:37want anyone to bother me yes Adam is out
- 00:50:40of the equation equation he's not even
- 00:50:42in the labor force because he is not
- 00:50:44looking for a job and it's not
- 00:50:46interested and not interested and he's
- 00:50:49not working
- 00:50:50so he's doing his own thing
- 00:50:52now there's a third person
- 00:50:55he or she wants to work is capable of
- 00:50:58working but cannot find the opportunity
- 00:51:00whatever that opportunity is
- 00:51:03he or she will become unemployed so the
- 00:51:07statistics will include it so amongst
- 00:51:10the three of us I'm out of the labor
- 00:51:12force part of the bigger population
- 00:51:13those retired those who don't want to
- 00:51:16work
- 00:51:17those who cannot work by law under 15s
- 00:51:20or under 16s yes homemakers
- 00:51:23you know men or women who stay at home
- 00:51:25and care for someone else for example
- 00:51:26all of those but the labor force is made
- 00:51:29up of hatim and this other person
- 00:51:32now when we come up with a statistic
- 00:51:34the labor force made up of two people
- 00:51:36one of them is working and one of them
- 00:51:37is not working yes so the unemployment
- 00:51:39rate as we calculated would be 50
- 00:51:42percent
- 00:51:43because half of the labor force
- 00:51:45is not working but remember how many
- 00:51:47people are in the labor force two people
- 00:51:49two people so the statistics can be a
- 00:51:51bit tricky when you don't understand
- 00:51:52them so you said it's not linked to the
- 00:51:54social aspect of the social aspect let's
- 00:51:57say I want to work but I'm not looking
- 00:52:00for a job yes
- 00:52:02officially we call you a job Seeker you
- 00:52:05know man
- 00:52:06now when you record that person as a job
- 00:52:09Seeker suddenly there's a social
- 00:52:11expectation that you will find me a job
- 00:52:13somewhere
- 00:52:14there has to be
- 00:52:16now
- 00:52:17when the statistics have come out if
- 00:52:20you're not seriously looking for a job
- 00:52:21if you're not registered if you're not
- 00:52:23actively updating if you haven't been to
- 00:52:25an interview we exclude you from that
- 00:52:27rate of unemployment yes
- 00:52:30but someone said no no but I want to
- 00:52:32work but the C the question is
- 00:52:35and I'll use this word very carefully
- 00:52:37here because are you serious because
- 00:52:39everyone wants to get some income but
- 00:52:42how do we go about it do I wait at home
- 00:52:45for the job to come to me or do I go and
- 00:52:49seek the job hence the the word job
- 00:52:51Seeker
- 00:52:53and this becomes a challenge
- 00:52:55because there are some people who have
- 00:52:57been looking for a job for say two three
- 00:52:59years
- 00:53:00and they're unable to find the job and
- 00:53:02they suddenly stop looking
- 00:53:04they will drop out of the statistic
- 00:53:08but so that's why they are asked from
- 00:53:11time to time to update exactly that's
- 00:53:13why we call updated in the system that
- 00:53:14they are still looking for so the
- 00:53:16ministry will say uh
- 00:53:18active the word is active
- 00:53:22but in this day and age it's a bit
- 00:53:24complex because when I say a bit
- 00:53:25different from the social expectation
- 00:53:27because see I've registered in the
- 00:53:28system why aren't I receiving invites to
- 00:53:30interviews
- 00:53:32notice how you're waiting for the
- 00:53:34opportunity to come to you while others
- 00:53:36would say listen I've been to three four
- 00:53:38interviews I haven't been successful
- 00:53:39I've got a second interview with this
- 00:53:41and and I'm still having a challenge
- 00:53:44um I'm qualified in geology but there
- 00:53:47are no jobs out there
- 00:53:49this is where the complications become
- 00:53:51the expectations of a job Seeker
- 00:53:54remember I said right at the beginning
- 00:53:55economics is about choices yes and how
- 00:53:58we choose to engage in the labor market
- 00:53:59is a personal choice no one can force me
- 00:54:01to do something I don't want it's part
- 00:54:04of being in a society that gives you
- 00:54:06opportunity you're responsible for
- 00:54:07making those opportunities
- 00:54:09what are your opportunities today
- 00:54:11if there's a job that is not in your
- 00:54:13qualification and you can apply to you
- 00:54:16can apply to it nothing stops you from
- 00:54:17doing so
- 00:54:18the business on the other side might see
- 00:54:20you favorably or unfavorably because
- 00:54:22they think hang on this person doesn't
- 00:54:24fit the bill yeah he's uh yeah his field
- 00:54:27his area is geologist and I want an
- 00:54:29economist so exactly which is a
- 00:54:31fundamental problem with our labor
- 00:54:33market there's a lot of
- 00:54:34compartmentalization
- 00:54:37Adam is an economist he cannot do
- 00:54:39anything else so I tell my students no
- 00:54:42one has stamped something on your
- 00:54:43forehead that says you are one two or
- 00:54:46three and you cannot do anything else
- 00:54:48and the majority of us we graduate in an
- 00:54:51area and then we end up doing something
- 00:54:53else exactly but you say the majority
- 00:54:55example I am a graduate of accounting
- 00:54:57and finance and I'm in media now which
- 00:55:00has nothing to do which is a prime
- 00:55:01example of our capacity to do things to
- 00:55:04to be creative to be productive
- 00:55:07but Society does not see it that way
- 00:55:10there's been a recent appointment in an
- 00:55:12official position and I think you know
- 00:55:14who I'm talking about yeah yeah and
- 00:55:15there was a lot of controversial about
- 00:55:17that exactly and one of the things
- 00:55:20that people you know positively said is
- 00:55:22you know you need new blood
- 00:55:25you need a new way of thinking
- 00:55:28and executive physicians may not
- 00:55:31necessarily need expert matter so do you
- 00:55:34need an economist to always make
- 00:55:36economic policy or do you need an
- 00:55:39economist and others
- 00:55:42so you bring in sensibilities but others
- 00:55:44will help make those decisions in such a
- 00:55:46way so in media I'm sure you need
- 00:55:49professionals who do sound
- 00:55:51absolutely there's a lot going behind
- 00:55:53the scenes exactly we're just doing the
- 00:55:55easy part right I've moderated many
- 00:55:57sessions uh we were talking before this
- 00:56:00right about panel discussions but I'm
- 00:56:03not a subject matter in those issues but
- 00:56:06being able to find a way to comfortably
- 00:56:10moderate and ask the right questions and
- 00:56:13learn has
- 00:56:15helped me
- 00:56:18be better at that
- 00:56:20can't say I'm perfect at it but it's
- 00:56:22like what does an economist do in
- 00:56:23moderating sessions about the
- 00:56:25environment
- 00:56:27it's like well
- 00:56:29I'm aware of the big issue I'm able to
- 00:56:31use that knowledge to ask perhaps
- 00:56:34sometimes I like to say naive questions
- 00:56:36yes so what stops a physicist physics
- 00:56:40graduate from doing sales or doing any
- 00:56:44type of service it might demeaning to
- 00:56:47say listen I'm a graduate and you know I
- 00:56:49can't do this I said hang on
- 00:56:51you couldn't have just studied physics
- 00:56:53for four or five years there were other
- 00:56:54things that you would have done you
- 00:56:56might have led your Society physics
- 00:56:58Society you might have been in this
- 00:57:00student council at that stage you might
- 00:57:02have engaged in other activities
- 00:57:04creative activities those skills cannot
- 00:57:08just fall off
- 00:57:10I did a small exercise with some of my
- 00:57:12students
- 00:57:13on this very issue I asked them
- 00:57:15and these were senior students I said
- 00:57:17listen I want you to do a very simple
- 00:57:18exercise take a piece of paper
- 00:57:20white sheet write your name date of
- 00:57:23birth
- 00:57:24and then list all of the things that
- 00:57:27you've done up to this point that make
- 00:57:28you employable
- 00:57:31and how did that go I never saw any
- 00:57:34papers unfortunately but the interesting
- 00:57:36part was there were a lot of
- 00:57:38soul-searching looks around there's like
- 00:57:41because we all know the answer to that
- 00:57:43when we were in their place
- 00:57:46we had nothing to add to that piece of
- 00:57:47paper
- 00:57:49unless you've been very active from very
- 00:57:51young
- 00:57:52many of them haven't tried a single job
- 00:57:54myself included until I've done my
- 00:57:56internship
- 00:57:57I wasn't exposed to any job that I had
- 00:58:00to be there on time
- 00:58:02there's expectation whether it's a pay
- 00:58:04job or unpaid job but you know
- 00:58:07it's the way you raise the way you the
- 00:58:09opportunities you want to take I had a
- 00:58:12student who was doing part-time work and
- 00:58:15studying so I very quickly said hang on
- 00:58:18how are you doing this
- 00:58:20I was like I've got it sorted I've got
- 00:58:22my schedule sorted I've you know
- 00:58:25um you know it was a family business he
- 00:58:27was working in as a sort of a small
- 00:58:28family business but I was like
- 00:58:31that's inspiring to me that people are
- 00:58:34doing that so
- 00:58:35can this be translated for the rest of
- 00:58:37the community
- 00:58:40I would say no it's a personal Drive
- 00:58:42yeah we our expectations are set very
- 00:58:46high for job Seekers that they should be
- 00:58:48able to start their own businesses they
- 00:58:49should be able to do that but the issue
- 00:58:52of unemployment there's always the data
- 00:58:55reality and between them the Gap is
- 00:58:57expectations
- 00:58:59of not only job Seekers but businesses
- 00:59:02employers and policy makers that expect
- 00:59:06that sometimes certain policies will
- 00:59:09necessarily yield we forget that we're
- 00:59:12human beings yes and our expectations
- 00:59:15affect our decisions
- 00:59:17so let me move on to the other part of
- 00:59:19how we look at the economy which is
- 00:59:21Public Finance something that we hear a
- 00:59:23lot about yes but a few of us I wouldn't
- 00:59:26say comprehend appreciate enough maybe
- 00:59:28this is going to be the last part of our
- 00:59:31interview
- 00:59:33the Public Finance is a very important
- 00:59:36aspect and so many of us are wondering
- 00:59:39about it you know uh so if you could
- 00:59:42tell us a little bit about it sure and
- 00:59:44then inshaallah we will come to entry
- 00:59:46end of the show so Public Finance quite
- 00:59:49simply means how does the government
- 00:59:51manage its revenues and expenditures
- 00:59:56so when we talked about divisions and
- 00:59:57the five-year plans yes right one of the
- 01:00:00executive tools if you like is the
- 01:00:03annual budgets
- 01:00:05annual budgets are very simply the
- 01:00:07government has just released one in the
- 01:00:09first of January of every year where the
- 01:00:12government says I'm going to spend this
- 01:00:13much money
- 01:00:15for the purposes of providing the basic
- 01:00:18services and on top of that there are
- 01:00:21certain projects that I wish to execute
- 01:00:24this year and this is all part of The
- 01:00:27Five-Year Plan
- 01:00:29and this is the same as you do on a
- 01:00:31individual budget if you budget
- 01:00:33for a company saying next year we're
- 01:00:35going to spend this on marketing on
- 01:00:36development most of the companies they
- 01:00:38have exactly so budgets are just
- 01:00:40basically saying I expect this much
- 01:00:42money to come in
- 01:00:43and this is how I'm going to spend it
- 01:00:44whether you get that much money or not
- 01:00:46that's subject to your revenues yes
- 01:00:49which for us in Amman primarily 70 of
- 01:00:52them come from the sale of oil and gas
- 01:00:54another 30 come from government service
- 01:00:57fees and taxes in Oman which are limited
- 01:01:00to two main taxes yes one is the
- 01:01:02corporate tax which is at fifteen
- 01:01:04percent from your profits yes all
- 01:01:08businesses except small businesses
- 01:01:09registered with the Authority for SME
- 01:01:12development they Exempted right yeah
- 01:01:14they pay about three percent if they
- 01:01:16make any profit yeah and then there is
- 01:01:18the value added tax which is a
- 01:01:20consumption based 75 exactly which means
- 01:01:22five percent on all the products you
- 01:01:25wish to buy yes it's very important to
- 01:01:27put the word wish to buy because you can
- 01:01:29choose to change the type of product you
- 01:01:31buy cheaper products would mean less or
- 01:01:34you could choose to not buy them at all
- 01:01:37if that is the case and then there are
- 01:01:39certain products that are exempt from
- 01:01:40that so government makes roughly a I
- 01:01:43think the estimates for this year I
- 01:01:44think between 10 to 11 billion are many
- 01:01:47reals from those sources
- 01:01:49those are estimates
- 01:01:51when the government spends that money
- 01:01:54it may realize mid-year that it does not
- 01:01:56have enough Revenue
- 01:01:58so the government has been very active
- 01:02:00the Ministry of Finance in producing
- 01:02:02monthly reports how much revenue came in
- 01:02:04where did it come from and generally how
- 01:02:07it's spent at the end of every year I
- 01:02:10think we'll see it in the next three
- 01:02:11months or maybe two months a closing
- 01:02:15account for what was spent last year
- 01:02:17like a report exactly every business
- 01:02:19will do this in closing governments also
- 01:02:21do this so we'll know where we've spent
- 01:02:23more where we've spent less compared to
- 01:02:25what we plan to so in before 2022
- 01:02:31oil prices obviously since 2014 have
- 01:02:33dropped sharply yes so the government
- 01:02:35revenues have fallen to about 8
- 01:02:37billionaires compared to our spending at
- 01:02:39the time was about 14 billion
- 01:02:42deficit there was a huge gap and the
- 01:02:44deficit means that your revenues uh are
- 01:02:47less so given the numbers I don't have
- 01:02:49the numbers right now but any difference
- 01:02:51between how much you need to spend not
- 01:02:54choose to spend need to spend because
- 01:02:55when your revenues collapse then the
- 01:02:58only way you can do it is cut back on
- 01:03:00all of the extra and be on the bare
- 01:03:02minimum which is paying salaries and
- 01:03:04critical services so that deficit meant
- 01:03:08that you don't have the money to cover
- 01:03:10those expenditures so what do you do if
- 01:03:12you have any reserves you draw down on
- 01:03:14those reserves and then if you can
- 01:03:16borrow domestically you would put out
- 01:03:19what we call bonds and bonds are away a
- 01:03:22promise to pay back
- 01:03:23but with interest or if they're so cook
- 01:03:26then you pay repair so this is you get
- 01:03:30the financing from from the public or
- 01:03:33the industry or other institutions even
- 01:03:35International institutions or you go out
- 01:03:37and borrow from Banks International
- 01:03:38Banks yes or offer the same bonds but
- 01:03:41internationally in dollars okay
- 01:03:44okay so the limit the obligation there
- 01:03:46is that you have to pay that percentage
- 01:03:48that you promised to pay every year and
- 01:03:50that's services or the the coupon rate
- 01:03:52as we call it so if it's five percent or
- 01:03:55six percent you borrowed 100 reals every
- 01:03:59year you pay six reals until the date
- 01:04:01where you have to pay back the original
- 01:04:03100 okay so that's a commitment so the
- 01:04:07more you borrow your debt goes up
- 01:04:09and the interest goes up and the service
- 01:04:11of that obviously will go up we reach to
- 01:04:13a point
- 01:04:14where we're paying
- 01:04:16almost more than a billion reals I think
- 01:04:19it was 20 or 21 if I'm not mistaken or
- 01:04:21so or this year
- 01:04:23almost a billion Reals in repayments and
- 01:04:26the service the service is not repaying
- 01:04:28the principal payment it's just the
- 01:04:31interest or the depending because a man
- 01:04:33has the two tools available to it yes
- 01:04:35and some bonds and these range from five
- 01:04:38years
- 01:04:39some of them to 30 years
- 01:04:41so public debt means that whatever
- 01:04:44government revenue comes some of it has
- 01:04:47to be allocated to that
- 01:04:50the problem with that is what that that
- 01:04:52is unproductive use of the money it has
- 01:04:55to be paid but it cannot go towards
- 01:04:57health education infrastructure or any
- 01:05:00development research yeah and that's the
- 01:05:02problem with debt just like your income
- 01:05:04when you're receiving your paying your
- 01:05:05car loan or your home loan
- 01:05:08you have to repay that so that that is
- 01:05:10not generating anything you're not
- 01:05:12enjoying anything you're just wearing
- 01:05:14down that asset that you're using
- 01:05:16and this is where public debt could be
- 01:05:18dangerous because if it picks up to a
- 01:05:19point where you can't repay it as a
- 01:05:21government
- 01:05:22you may default
- 01:05:24and if you cannot pay a new default
- 01:05:27the outstanding loan cannot be repaid
- 01:05:29back and no one's going to give you any
- 01:05:31money
- 01:05:31to finance yourself
- 01:05:34Credit Agencies like Moody's and Fitch
- 01:05:37and standard and poor assess each
- 01:05:39country's ability to pay back their
- 01:05:42debts that's how you're rated and the
- 01:05:45ratings are complex I don't claim to
- 01:05:46understand them when I look at the
- 01:05:48tables it's fantastic why it's capital A
- 01:05:50and Captain and plus here in minus
- 01:05:53because we're used in Academia a plus a
- 01:05:56and whatnot but their systems are based
- 01:05:58on government's ability to pay back
- 01:06:00outstanding debt say when they say 80
- 01:06:02percent of your GDP is dead so let's say
- 01:06:06your GDP is 100 reals
- 01:06:08and your outstanding debt is 80 reals
- 01:06:12so your economy produces this has
- 01:06:14nothing to do directly with government
- 01:06:15Finance at the moment it's just a
- 01:06:17measure yeah is it really bad are you
- 01:06:19able to pay so what we're saying is if
- 01:06:22you didn't do anything with that output
- 01:06:23and only repaid back your loans
- 01:06:26as a country you'll be left with 20
- 01:06:29years and that's not how it works
- 01:06:31the government will be paying back from
- 01:06:34about 80 reals maybe every year five
- 01:06:36reals
- 01:06:38but where does it come from from the
- 01:06:40sale of oil or gas from the fees or the
- 01:06:44taxes that it pays so technically the
- 01:06:47debt
- 01:06:48not only is the government responsible
- 01:06:49for we are responsible for that debt yes
- 01:06:52so you're here in the U.S for example
- 01:06:53the debt is in trillions of dollars
- 01:06:56who's going to pay back that debt
- 01:06:58if the government prints more money
- 01:07:01that's going to cause a catastrophe
- 01:07:02because more money is like adding more
- 01:07:05water to the tub is going to overflow
- 01:07:07that's going to create more inflation
- 01:07:09and all sorts of problems
- 01:07:12the taxpayers have to pay it so at some
- 01:07:14point in time certain countries will say
- 01:07:16we're going to charge more tax to pay
- 01:07:17down our debt this is what happened in
- 01:07:20the UK last few years
- 01:07:22now where do countries position
- 01:07:24themselves from this debt is a control
- 01:07:26the deficit if you can so cut back the
- 01:07:29unnecessary and I'll use this word
- 01:07:31Loosely unnecessary spending
- 01:07:34because what's necessary for one country
- 01:07:36might be unnecessary for another yes
- 01:07:38what's necessary today might not be
- 01:07:40necessary tomorrow or yesterday the
- 01:07:43other part is try and find ways to
- 01:07:45borrow sustainably so for example we
- 01:07:48have a debt management unit that's
- 01:07:50responsible for
- 01:07:51what type of debt do we take how long
- 01:07:54should we go to Banks or should we offer
- 01:07:56the international markets two different
- 01:07:58tools do we need emergency do we have
- 01:08:00Reserve should we draw all of them down
- 01:08:02today or gradually use our strategic
- 01:08:05funds
- 01:08:06for a smaller parts so our mind has been
- 01:08:08managing this carefully for the last few
- 01:08:10years and is adding more tools to better
- 01:08:13management so we borrow 15 maximum
- 01:08:17locally along with drawdown on our
- 01:08:19reserves and this is all in the budget
- 01:08:21to say for example three four hundred
- 01:08:23million from a man investment fund which
- 01:08:25is responsible for providing for
- 01:08:28short-term and long-term Financial
- 01:08:30liquidity for Oman
- 01:08:33the rest where we're going to get it
- 01:08:34from if we need to we go to
- 01:08:35International markets but they're
- 01:08:36looking at our ratings which
- 01:08:37alhamdulillah improved after falling
- 01:08:39sharply
- 01:08:40where our ability today primarily
- 01:08:43because of oil prices and better
- 01:08:45management of our expenditures
- 01:08:46alhamdulillah has improved to stable and
- 01:08:49sometimes a little bit positive meaning
- 01:08:51if we go to International markets
- 01:08:53there's a premier that we usually get
- 01:08:56charged as a small country like our man
- 01:08:57with highly volatile revenues to say
- 01:09:00listen if you're going to borrow
- 01:09:01normally under six percent we're going
- 01:09:04to charge you
- 01:09:05seven or eight percent more
- 01:09:08because you may default investors
- 01:09:11compensate themselves and this applies
- 01:09:13to any type of right whether it's rip
- 01:09:15under Islamic sort of sharia compliant
- 01:09:18tools or not these risks are included
- 01:09:20because lending money is a risky
- 01:09:22business yes but
- 01:09:24the better ratings you get
- 01:09:27this premium becomes small doesn't mean
- 01:09:28we can borrow on the cheap
- 01:09:30so public finances becomes critical
- 01:09:32because it means all of our plans our
- 01:09:34Visions all of the things that we depend
- 01:09:36on government either to drive the
- 01:09:38process or provide basic services to
- 01:09:40make sure that those Services reach the
- 01:09:42standard we want may not be possible if
- 01:09:45we drive a ridiculously high debt what
- 01:09:48is the cutoff
- 01:09:50some say 60 of your output some say more
- 01:09:53or less
- 01:09:53primarily it's on your ability to pay
- 01:09:56back
- 01:09:57and I hope inshaallah one day will be
- 01:10:00able to pay back our alhamdulillah we've
- 01:10:02done great stuff in in the in 2022 we've
- 01:10:04repaid back almost three to four billion
- 01:10:07reals worth of debt from those which
- 01:10:10meant what it helps us reduce the costs
- 01:10:13in the future position there is as
- 01:10:15individuals
- 01:10:17there are times where you have to borrow
- 01:10:19do you borrow to go on a trip
- 01:10:23luxury pleasure for the necessities
- 01:10:26necessities education building a home
- 01:10:28because there is equity in your house
- 01:10:30you need to go for health reasons
- 01:10:33whatever it is those are the choices we
- 01:10:35need to make as a government as a
- 01:10:37society but the more informed the better
- 01:10:39decisions we can make
- 01:10:41your highness Dr Adam
- 01:10:44thank you very much for being with us on
- 01:10:46the show there's a lot to talk about
- 01:10:48when it comes to economics but I hope
- 01:10:50today we were able to cover the
- 01:10:53Necessities about economics and I hope
- 01:10:56it was fruitful for our viewers and
- 01:10:59listeners and hope to see you soon thank
- 01:11:02you very much for having me and I wish
- 01:11:03you all the best inshallah thank you
- 01:11:04dear brothers and sisters thank you very
- 01:11:06much for watching and listening to dome
- 01:11:09podcast I'm your host hatim lab Salam
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