The Big Four - Accounting firms under scrutiny | DW Documentary

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Summary

TLDRThe video investigates the roles and potential conflicts within the Big Four auditing firms—Ernst & Young, KPMG, PwC, and Deloitte—highlighting the Wirecard scandal which exposed systemic flaws in corporate financial auditing. It questions the independence and effectiveness of these auditors, who also provide consulting services, leading to potential conflicts of interest. Historical parallels are drawn to past accounting scandals like Enron and Lehman Brothers, noting that similar issues persist today, emphasizing the complex relationship between auditors and corporations. Suggestions for reform include stricter separation between auditing and consulting roles and involving mid-sized auditors to enhance accountability. The involvement of regulatory bodies like the EU and Germany's BaFin is deemed crucial, yet often hampered by insufficient enforcement and pervasive influence from large auditing firms. Despite legislation aimed at preventing such scandals, concerns remain about the adequacy of current oversight mechanisms and their ability to protect against financial fraud.

Takeaways

  • 📉 The Wirecard scandal highlights failed auditing by EY.
  • 💼 Big Four firms have significant influence in global markets.
  • ⚖️ There's a conflict of interest between auditing and consulting.
  • 🔍 Historical scandals reveal persistent auditing issues.
  • 🛡️ Effective auditing is needed to protect market integrity.
  • 📊 Independence of auditors from clients is critical.
  • 🌍 Regulatory enforcement varies greatly among countries.
  • 🔄 Reforms aim to separate auditing and consulting roles.
  • 🔒 Public trust in financial information is vital.
  • 📁 Oversight and accountability are ongoing challenges.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The big four accounting firms Ernst Young, KPMG, PwC, and Deloitte, are noted for their influence on market economies, auditing corporate financial statements. The Wirecard scandal in Germany highlighted failures in their auditing processes as they failed to uncover fraud over many years. This raises questions about their effectiveness and the systemic issues within auditing. Meanwhile, ordinary investors like Thomas Haggert were misled, losing savings invested in seemingly secure firms like Wirecard.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The concept of statutory audits was introduced during the Great Depression in 1931 to ensure transparency and prevent financial misreporting. The big four firms, a result of mergers and expansions, dominate the audit industry. Despite their role, these firms have been criticized for failing to detect major frauds like Wirecard, suggesting potential systemic issues in their auditing practice.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Auditors are legally required to verify annual financial statements with professional skepticism. Yet, they often miss errors in financial statements, possibly due to conflicts of interest since companies hire and pay their auditors. Furthermore, the firms offer both audit and consultancy services, which muddies their independence, as audit quality is potentially compromised by their consultancy profits, leading to conflicted interests within corporate auditing practices.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Consultancy now constitutes a majority of income for the big four firms. This dual role raises conflicts of interest, as firms may prioritize lucrative consulting agreements over independent auditing, potentially affecting audit quality and independence. This conflict has historical precedence such as Enron's scandal that led to Arthur Andersen's collapse, highlighting the risks of overlapping audit and consultancy functions.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Efforts to reform the auditing system, such as separation of audit and consultancy practices, faced considerable political lobbying, diluting proposed EU reforms. Countries like Germany introduced reforms with exceptions, allowing auditing firms to act as consultants to their audit clients, perpetuating potential conflicts of interest within the industry's structure.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The influence of big four firms extends to legislative processes as they provide consultancy and have ties with governmental institutions. This positioning makes them highly influential, often allegedly impacting legislation to their advantage. Such instances raise questions about the integrity and independence of the auditing process and regulatory oversight.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    In cases like Wirecard, auditors from EY failed to act decisively despite internal doubts about the company's integrity, continuing to issue unmodified opinions. Investigations revealed that auditors may have ignored warning signs, eroding trust and resulting in reputational damage. The practice of supporting consulting revenues seems to have overshadowed the auditing mandate, compromising firm independence.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:42:24

    Despite regulatory reforms like Germany's Financial Market Integrity Strengthening Act (FISG), which introduced stricter separation between auditing and consultancy, skepticism remains about their effectiveness given the concentration of power in large firms and ongoing conflicts of interest. Critics argue for deeper systemic changes, including public oversight and separation of audit and consultancy services to restore trust.

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Video Q&A

  • What is the main focus of the video?

    The influence and effectiveness of the Big Four auditing firms, especially in light of the Wirecard scandal.

  • Who are the Big Four auditors?

    Ernst Young, KPMG, PwC, and Deloitte.

  • What scandal is highlighted as significant in the video?

    The 2020 Wirecard scandal.

  • What are some criticisms mentioned against the Big Four?

    Conflict of interest, ineffective auditing, and a lack of independence from their clients.

  • What historical event led to the introduction of statutory audits?

    The Great Depression starting in 1929.

  • What changes were suggested to improve auditing accountability?

    Stricter separation of auditing and consulting services and including more mid-sized auditors.

  • What does the term 'unmodified opinion' refer to in auditing?

    A statement that the financial statements are free of material misstatements.

  • What legal action was taken against auditors after the Wirecard scandal?

    Munich state prosecutors opened an investigation into EY partners who audited Wirecard.

  • What was the result of the EU auditing reform propositions?

    Some reforms were implemented, but heavily diluted after lobbying, allowing auditors to still consult companies they audit.

  • What is the role of BaFin in Germany?

    BaFin is responsible for overseeing the financial markets, including monitoring small banks and securities trading.

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    they've been called the watchdogs of
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    capitalism
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    the conscience of the free market and
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    the pinstripe mafia
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    the big four
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    auditors ernst young kpmg
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    pwc and deloitte the big four are
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    incredibly
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    influential in our market economy
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    they are indispensable experts with an
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    in-depth knowledge of companies and tax
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    law
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    they're much too powerful they influence
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    politics and legislation
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    it can't work without the big four
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    have an important role
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    auditing corporate financial statements
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    it's extremely important for us as
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    consumers and for people who are
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    investors to trust
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    the information we are given
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    but are they doing their job
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    in 2020 the wirecard scandal shook
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    germany
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    never before has there been such a
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    plummet in the dax
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    ernst young audited wirecard's financial
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    results for years
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    without uncovering the fraud this candy
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    mistakes from 90 years ago which led to
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    our profession should not have repeated
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    you don't have to be an angel
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    in order to make a good audit you just
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    have to be independent
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    each new scandal put the big auditors in
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    the spotlight
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    are they taking shortcuts
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    are they overwhelmed
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    or is the system at fault
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    thomas haggard is retired his passion is
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    building guitars
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    with a pension of just under 2 000 euros
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    the former high school teacher says he
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    is enough to live comfortably
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    but he's also managed to put a little
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    aside
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    if you put money in a checking account
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    inflation takes it
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    instead he invested most of his savings
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    in a promising german company
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    i'm not a risk taker
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    which is why i didn't buy just any stock
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    i bought wirecard active
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    it had seemed a safe bet but then the
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    company suddenly crashed along with its
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    shares
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    a fraud so big that the stock would
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    become almost worthless i didn't think
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    it was possible
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    wirecart lost a total of 10 billion
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    euros in market capitalization
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    raising many questions
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    how could it go unnoticed for so long
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    that the payment processing company was
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    fudging its balance sheets the finance
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    ministry blames the private auditors
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    a small investor like me can't check
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    whether wirecard's statements are true
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    thomas herget has joined a class action
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    lawsuit against wirecard's auditor
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    they carry some blame they should have
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    been more careful
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    but who are thomas hagert and the other
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    small investors up against
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    ernst young or ey became the sole
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    auditor of wirecard in 2011.
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    together with pwc kpmg and deloitte ey
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    is one of the big four the four largest
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    accounting firms
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    together they employ 1.1 million in and
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    around 150 countries
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    and they ordered the financial
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    statements of almost all major companies
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    is doing her phd at copenhagen business
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    school
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    she's been researching the big four and
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    the role they play in the economy and
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    society for years
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    auditing is something that is required
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    this is something that is extremely
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    important for a well-functioning market
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    economy
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    every medium or large company is
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    required to have its annual financial
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    results reviewed by an independent
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    auditor
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    for a market economy
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    it's extremely important for
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    us as consumers and for people who are
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    investors to trust
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    the information we are given
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    and our only weapon
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    really is the audit
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    in 1929 the start of the great
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    depression companies and banks around
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    the world rushed to hide their financial
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    problems
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    and countless people lost their jobs and
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    savings including hundreds of thousands
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    in germany
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    this was the context in which
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    legislators introduced statutory audits
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    for stock companies in 1931
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    globalization accelerated the economy
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    companies grew quickly and formed
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    international networks
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    auditors grew too
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    in the 1980s eight accounting firms
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    dominated the international industry
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    they expanded and merged
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    forming the big six
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    then it became the big five
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    and just a short while later the big
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    four
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    kpmg
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    ey
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    deloitte and pwc
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    in germany the institute of public
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    auditors or idw helps influence auditing
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    rules
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    the privately run organization
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    represents the interests of more than a
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    thousand public auditing firms in
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    germany including the big four
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    class peter naumann says the job of an
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    auditor is clearly defined
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    auditors are required by law to
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    carefully verify annual financial
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    statements
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    they are also supposed to maintain
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    professional skepticism toward the
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    companies they audit and follow a
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    specific procedure
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    an audit is designed to detect errors in
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    financial statements
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    whether due to fraud or not is
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    irrelevant
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    when a company opens its books its
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    business is laid bare in numbers
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    order to see where money flows in
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    and where it then flows out
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    bank accounts marketing costs
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    operating expenses and acquisitions
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    the bigger the company the more
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    complicated this flow of money can be
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    auditors generally cannot examine a
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    company in its entirety
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    they instead choose an area to focus on
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    the one where they suspect the highest
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    risk
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    they compare the company's statements
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    with the actual financial transactions
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    to gain an understanding of each of the
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    transactions
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    if the auditor finds no fault in the
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    company's annual financial statement
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    they give what's called an unmodified
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    opinion a seal of approval for the
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    company
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    the auditor's verdict on wirecard was
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    trusted for many years
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    and to this day ey maintains an audited
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    wirecard to the best of its knowledge
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    and according to protocol
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    if companies like that bluff and
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    auditors don't notice
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    it's over because then we can no longer
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    rely on the very foundation of business
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    namely the numbers
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    fabio dumasi co-chaired germany's
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    wirecard parliamentary inquiry committee
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    together with parliamentarians from all
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    political parties dimasi began
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    investigating the german company's
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    collapse in october 2020.
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    the committee questioned 110 witnesses
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    over nine months
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    one of the key questions
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    did ey make mistakes
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    the wirecard scandal was not the first
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    time the big auditors had to face
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    criticism
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    for five years horizontal boring machine
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    company flotex inflated its results with
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    fake sales
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    and kpmg didn't notice then either
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    leading to damages of more than 5
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    billion deutsche marks
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    the biggest white collar crime ever in
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    germany
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    in the u.s energy company enron inflated
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    its profits for years its auditor arthur
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    anderson was one of the big five back
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    then and once again the auditor failed
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    to detect the fraud enron filed for
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    bankruptcy in 2001
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    and senior anderson employees destroyed
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    company documents without permission
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    following the scandal the auditor
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    surrendered its license to audit listed
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    companies
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    but it never recovered and was
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    eventually dissolved
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    in 2008 it was investment bank lehman
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    brothers filing for bankruptcy
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    lehman had used accounting tricks to
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    hide its financial situation for years
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    and ey kept approving their cooked books
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    markets are in shock stocks are
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    plummeting
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    lehman brothers eventually collapsed
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    under massive debt in 2008 triggering
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    the largest financial and economic
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    crisis since the second world war
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    taxpayer money was used to save banks
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    around the world 59 billion euros in
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    germany alone
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    escaped
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    these are isolated cases of corporate
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    fraud that auditors failed to detect
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    and each case has won too many
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    but can we say that because of these 10
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    scandals in 90 years auditing which
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    checks thousands of financial statements
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    every year doesn't work
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    auditors rarely help uncover corporate
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    scandals
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    one possible explanation is that there
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    are conflicts of interest
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    companies hire and pay their auditors
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    themselves a practice based on a
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    government assumption that companies
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    have an interest in being properly
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    audited
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    then the workshops perform
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    is different auditing boosts the
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    public's trust in a company and its
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    finances
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    often from underneath
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    karolo rinka is an expert on financial
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    statements and a consultant
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    she says the fact that companies pay
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    their auditors is problematic
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    if we agree on a deadline and i don't
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    meet it increasing costs then the client
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    might say see that you stay within it or
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    next year we'll hire another auditor
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    antoine delta is all too familiar with
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    this pressure he worked as a junior
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    auditor at pwc in luxembourg for two
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    years
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    if an auditor sees something it's
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    against his interest to speak up
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    especially if they don't want to correct
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    it it's impossible to audit well
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    and there's an additional factor
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    complicating the order to company
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    relationship
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    next to auditing the big four also offer
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    consulting
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    they advise clients on digitalization
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    sustainability
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    and taxes
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    the big four are incredibly
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    influential in our market economy they
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    have
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    a lot of services that really impact how
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    business is done
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    silas styles home says this creates yet
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    another conflict of interest
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    you cannot see someone as a
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    your client and then also investigate
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    them critically as the regulator you
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    have to be on one side or the other
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    the big four's core business used to be
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    auditing but now it only accounts for
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    around a third of their revenue
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    around two-thirds comes from consultancy
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    when it's not revised if i know the
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    auditing market is limited and fees are
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    essentially stagnant and consultancy is
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    the opposite then it makes sense to
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    offer the latter
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    night
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    virginia
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    doing well financially ensures quality
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    at the auditing firm
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    i'd like to add that doing well
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    financially also secures financial
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    independence
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    and anyone who isn't financially
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    independent is probably most likely to
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    look the other way for a client they're
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    auditing when they shouldn't
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    profit made from consulting ensures
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    auditors can remain independent
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    at least according to class peter
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    nullman
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    but is this theory true
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    are auditors independent from their
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    clients
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    another former pwc employee shared his
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    experience in the u.s
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    our robota worked as an auditor at pwc
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    for 18 years
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    the problem is that many companies that
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    i experienced
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    didn't have the competency in-house
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    to document the complexity of the
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    transactions that they were doing
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    but instead of hiring third-party
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    consultants to do that for them the
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    auditors was doing it for them because
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    again
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    once you do that
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    management likes you the auditor is not
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    supposed to do that because the auditor
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    should audit if the auditor ends up
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    doing it then who audits the auditors
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    bottle repeatedly reported his findings
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    to his superiors
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    since i started to report those things
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    internally my performance rating started
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    to
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    gradually decline and i was not allowed
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    to work on jobs progressively
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    this is how maura water sees it
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    records show that his superior said
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    bottle was too critical of his clients
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    management tend to hire comp auditors
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    that are more friendly or that are less
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    inclined to
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    give negative control opinions which
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    meant that if we alone were the one that
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    were giving adverse control opinion when
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    the other three did not
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    we would not have been hired in the
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    market
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    marrow bottle was fired in 2017.
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    his suit for reinstatement was dismissed
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    by a california court in august 2021
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    michelle geschrei is a certified public
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    accountant and chairman of the
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    association for medium-sized company
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    auditing
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    he says the big four of forcing smaller
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    auditing firms out of the market just
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    one of the reasons why he's been
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    campaigning for years for a strictest
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    separation between auditing and
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    consulting
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    [Music]
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    you just can't trace what effect
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    consulting has on the independence of
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    the auditors
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    following the financial crisis the topic
  • 00:18:45
    was put on the eu agenda in 2010.
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    eu commissioner michel barnier also felt
  • 00:18:51
    the independence of auditors was at risk
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    is it healthy for the same firms to be
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    auditing and consulting
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    is complete independence even possible
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    in that context
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    we hoped what he said would become
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    reality
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    wanted to strictly separate auditing and
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    consultancy
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    he also said companies should be
  • 00:19:25
    required to change auditors every 10
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    years
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    [Music]
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    what followed was a lobbying campaign
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    which michelle barnier correctly
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    described as the biggest campaign ever
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    in brussels
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    [Music]
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    sven gigold was the coordinator of the
  • 00:19:43
    eu committee on economic and monetary
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    affairs until 2021
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    he saw lobbyists working for large
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    auditors exert political influence in
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    brussels
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    [Music]
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    they're talking to the decision makers
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    and they're meeting them early on when
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    it's crucial at the commission or at the
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    ministries of the member states
  • 00:20:09
    in the end hardly anything remained of
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    michelle barnier's ideas
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    member states themselves got to decide
  • 00:20:15
    which eu auditing reforms they
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    introduced
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    germany introduced several exceptions
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    auditors could still act as consultants
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    to companies they audit
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    and they could order the company for
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    longer than 10 years
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    how this reform developed reveals
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    another potential conflict of interest
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    [Music]
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    we know the big four regularly get
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    lucrative consultancy contracts with
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    german ministries
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    including ey
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    even after wirecard
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    these consultancy contracts still exist
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    these problems show that the best people
  • 00:21:14
    no longer work in the ministries
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    [Music]
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    this problem also applies to the order
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    to watchdog known as apas in germany
  • 00:21:29
    apas checks whether auditors maintain
  • 00:21:31
    their independence
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    over half of its employees used to work
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    at one of the big four
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    [Music]
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    so if you have a system where there are
  • 00:21:43
    four organizations that have penetrated
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    the government institution that are
  • 00:21:47
    supposed to oversee them
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    they are essentially
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    untouchable
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    governments often have to rely on
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    external experts
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    and the big four are very happy to offer
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    their expertise
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    when it comes to the big four there's a
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    kind of conspiracy theory about how some
  • 00:22:12
    shady power influences everything
  • 00:22:14
    but that's just part of a desperate
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    search to find a physical power behind
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    global capitalism
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    in globalization
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    economic power gives them political sway
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    [Music]
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    for antoine delta getting a job at the
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    big four was a great opportunity
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    he started working for pwc in luxembourg
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    in 2008
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    i'm interested in numbers and i'm
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    analytical so this was a good fit
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    he believed auditors could positively
  • 00:23:04
    impact society
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    it's very important for auditors to be
  • 00:23:10
    independent
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    societies rely on financial data being
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    correct
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    pwc is a demanding employer with long
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    working hours and high pressure
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    over time antoine del tour began to
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    understand how luxembourg worked as a
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    financial center
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    in utah
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    some audits really shocked me because i
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    was investigating empty shell companies
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    with no employees no revenue no real
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    economic activity in luxembourg
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    were supposed to create transparency
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    about the societal benefits of working
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    as an auditor at pwc
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    he lost his motivation after two years
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    he resigned
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    but before leaving he came across
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    confidential tax returns
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    they showed that luxembourg lured
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    international companies with deals
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    tailor-made by pwc that slashed
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    corporate taxes to less than one percent
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    every tax trick just short of illegal is
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    being used to move profit made in one
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    country
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    into another country to be taxed at a
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    lower rate
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    pwc even prepared tax rulings with the
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    letterhead of luxembourg's tax
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    authorities
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    government officials just had to sign
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    pwc was practically a division of
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    luxembourg's financial administration
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    it's unreal
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    anton del toro shared the documents with
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    a french journalist
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    and he was then charged by luxembourg
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    authorities in 2014 for leaking
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    documents
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    but in 2018 he was recognized as a
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    whistleblower
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    [Applause]
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    pwc isn't the only firm selling such tax
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    strategies they bring in a lot of money
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    for kpmg ey deloitte and other tax
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    consultants all over the world
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    yeah of course that's is some extra
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    spice to the discussion on the big four
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    particularly when you think about how
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    important they are for a functioning
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    market economy it's a little bit
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    worrying that they are also
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    the ones who
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    undermine the society in some ways by
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    showing
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    businesses how they can practice a
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    tax aggressiveness
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    according to the european commission the
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    eu loses up to 70 billion euros a year
  • 00:26:22
    due to corporate tax tricks
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    around half of the eu's annual budget
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    the biggest damage is that people feel
  • 00:26:34
    like some people are above the law those
  • 00:26:37
    who get expert advice have an
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    international network and don't pay
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    their taxes
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    this lowers the entire system's
  • 00:26:44
    legitimacy
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    that's a difficult area
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    when is it morally objectionable to use
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    tax laws put in place by the legislator
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    who's the sovereign schemer
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    tax competition also causes tax
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    avoidance because
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    i mean what is an incentive for some is
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    a strategy for someone else
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    consultants are supposed to tell their
  • 00:27:15
    clients about the various opportunities
  • 00:27:25
    i don't do that then my clients can
  • 00:27:27
    later say i caused them financial damage
  • 00:27:30
    because i didn't tell them all the
  • 00:27:32
    options
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    but the big four aren't just advising
  • 00:27:42
    their clients
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    [Music]
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    what's very problematic is that many are
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    also involved in legislation and other
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    things in ministries
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    every country has its own tax laws and
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    the resulting complexity leads to a need
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    for expertise
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    exactly what the big four and their
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    international networks offer
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    viazeen by their bratung de untonimen
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    our consulting allows us to see where
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    the problems in the tax systems are
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    and we tell politicians the government
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    the finance ministry and the parliament
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    of mexico
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    it's okay to speak with experts even
  • 00:28:33
    business experts but when they're
  • 00:28:35
    practically co-writing laws without the
  • 00:28:38
    public or even parliamentarians knowing
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    that's a problem
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    spring 2021
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    ey auditors come under scrutiny by the
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    wirecard parliamentary committee
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    a team of auditors was appointed as
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    special investigators
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    the committee asked them to review ey's
  • 00:29:05
    wirecard audit
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    their findings were summarized in the
  • 00:29:11
    wambach report
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    although confidential it was leaked to
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    some journalists
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    [Music]
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    felix holtermann works for handelsblatt
  • 00:29:28
    a german financial paper and had been
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    following the wirecard case for a long
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    time his desk also got a copy of the
  • 00:29:36
    wambach
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    the report report is the first public
  • 00:29:41
    audit of one of the big four's work
  • 00:29:44
    its findings are crucial
  • 00:29:49
    the investigators looked at records from
  • 00:29:51
    2016 until 2021 and tried to ascertain
  • 00:29:54
    whether ey should have uncovered the
  • 00:29:56
    fraud earlier
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    in 2016.
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    wirecard bought a dubious indian
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    payments firm for a great deal of money
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    a suspicion arose that wirecard managers
  • 00:30:12
    made money off the deal
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    in response emy started project ring a
  • 00:30:19
    forensic audit according to the wambach
  • 00:30:21
    report
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    but there were problems
  • 00:30:30
    wirecard management didn't sufficiently
  • 00:30:32
    explain why they had overpaid for the
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    takeover
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    the one back report included a letter
  • 00:30:40
    from march 29 2017 written by the ey
  • 00:30:44
    auditor and addressed to the chairperson
  • 00:30:47
    of wirecard's supervisory board
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    if these points are not conclusively
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    clarified there may be a modified
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    opinion for the financial statements we
  • 00:31:00
    would also like to inform you that we
  • 00:31:02
    will decide whether we can continue to
  • 00:31:04
    work together based on your reaction to
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    this letter
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    e y is threatening to not give an
  • 00:31:10
    unmodified opinion
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    and to withdraw from the auditing
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    mandate
  • 00:31:18
    this would have been a disaster for
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    wirecard
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    a modified opinion alone is enough for
  • 00:31:23
    investors and banks to lose trust
  • 00:31:27
    but it would have also been a big
  • 00:31:29
    liability for the auditors
  • 00:31:35
    not even a week after this letter and we
  • 00:31:37
    don't know what happened during that
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    time
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    ey delivered its opinion
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    unmodified
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    did ey receive the information they
  • 00:31:47
    needed
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    the special investigators said the
  • 00:31:51
    following in their report
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    the information includes verbal and
  • 00:31:57
    written explanations by the management
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    board
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    a proper clarification of the open
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    points cannot be found in the documents
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    if i'm just having the board confirm
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    things then there's no point then i may
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    as well skip it i need to maintain a
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    skeptical attitude and assume something
  • 00:32:20
    is incorrect
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    [Music]
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    this isn't the only time ey spotted
  • 00:32:28
    problems at wirecard
  • 00:32:32
    in the supervisory board's notes which
  • 00:32:34
    handles blood obtained the auditors said
  • 00:32:37
    the following in 2019
  • 00:32:44
    doubts about the management's integrity
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    ey doubts the board's integrity
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    pretty much the strongest statement an
  • 00:32:50
    auditor can make
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    but in 2019 ey again gave wirecard an
  • 00:33:00
    unmodified opinion
  • 00:33:03
    but they did refer to fraud
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    investigations against wirecard
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    employees in singapore in their final
  • 00:33:09
    report ey said the following in a
  • 00:33:11
    written statement
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    very few annual financial statements of
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    dax companies have contained such
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    statements
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    this alone shows that this was an
  • 00:33:23
    unusual measure
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    but the auditor's comments received
  • 00:33:30
    little attention
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    and wirecard skillfully concealed its
  • 00:33:34
    true value in the final report
  • 00:33:37
    as a woman
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    if you look at the balance sheet
  • 00:33:40
    you see 2.7 billion euros in cash and
  • 00:33:44
    cash equivalents
  • 00:33:45
    nothing about how this also includes
  • 00:33:48
    money in escrow
  • 00:33:53
    on the financial statement it looked as
  • 00:33:55
    if wirecard was swimming in money
  • 00:33:59
    and young had an idea throughout the
  • 00:34:01
    years it was auditing
  • 00:34:03
    ernst young failed to obtain independent
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    confirmation
  • 00:34:06
    that these funds existed
  • 00:34:09
    instead ey relied on trustees
  • 00:34:13
    in a written statement ey said
  • 00:34:16
    the complex criminal web was designed to
  • 00:34:18
    deceive numerous stakeholders including
  • 00:34:21
    investors bank regulators supervisory
  • 00:34:24
    boards auditors
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    despite their diligent and extensive
  • 00:34:29
    efforts
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    [Music]
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    ey had become suspicious
  • 00:34:34
    but it seems they nonetheless continue
  • 00:34:36
    to trust wirecard's management board in
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    key moments
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    [Music]
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    ey relied on board statements while
  • 00:34:44
    simultaneously doubting its integrity
  • 00:34:48
    even as an external observer
  • 00:34:50
    that makes you wonder how ey could have
  • 00:34:52
    issued audit certificates all those
  • 00:34:54
    years
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    [Music]
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    to this day it's unclear why ey auditors
  • 00:35:00
    did not heed the many warning signals
  • 00:35:04
    the damage to their reputation is
  • 00:35:06
    considerable
  • 00:35:08
    clients such as commerce bank deutsche
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    telekom and kfw a government bank ended
  • 00:35:14
    their auditing agreements with ey
  • 00:35:18
    in 2020 munich state prosecutors opened
  • 00:35:21
    investigation into the partners at ey
  • 00:35:23
    who audited wirecard
  • 00:35:30
    june 2021 the parliamentary inquiry
  • 00:35:34
    committee presented its final report on
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    wirecard
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    [Music]
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    this fraud should have been stopped
  • 00:35:43
    early on ladies and gentlemen
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    [Applause]
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    the auditors should have verified
  • 00:35:50
    whether the 1.9 billion euros one-third
  • 00:35:53
    of the balance sheet was actually in a
  • 00:35:55
    philippines escrow account
  • 00:36:07
    according to the committee it was not
  • 00:36:08
    only the auditors who failed
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    the case has exposed a radical failing
  • 00:36:14
    by authorities especially by bar finn
  • 00:36:19
    barfin is germany's financial
  • 00:36:21
    supervisory authority
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    responsible for monitoring small banks
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    insurance companies and securities
  • 00:36:28
    trading
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    when in 2019 fresh fraud allegations
  • 00:36:35
    against wirecard caused a steep drop in
  • 00:36:37
    its share price
  • 00:36:39
    finn banned investors from betting
  • 00:36:41
    against the company without verifying
  • 00:36:43
    whether there were problems with
  • 00:36:45
    wirecard's balance sheet
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    the financial regulator claimed that was
  • 00:36:50
    outside its responsibilities
  • 00:36:55
    if i'm not responsible for something
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    it's not my fault
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    olaf schultz was finance minister at the
  • 00:37:03
    time and the head of barfin
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    he held that position from 2018 to 2021
  • 00:37:11
    schultz told the parliamentary committee
  • 00:37:13
    he didn't feel barfin had protected
  • 00:37:15
    wirecart
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    but he conceded that state controls to
  • 00:37:20
    prevent and detect financial fraud were
  • 00:37:22
    insufficient
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    that's why it's so important for us to
  • 00:37:28
    do everything by ensuring our powers and
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    rules are strong to prevent a repeating
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    the german act to strengthen financial
  • 00:37:43
    market integrity or fisk was passed in
  • 00:37:46
    june 2021
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    the law was supposed to help strengthen
  • 00:37:51
    confidence in the german financial
  • 00:37:53
    market
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    and place more comprehensive rules on
  • 00:37:56
    auditors
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    with fisk germany implemented the eu
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    auditing reform proposed by michelle
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    barnier in 2011
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    the obligation to separate the auditing
  • 00:38:09
    and consulting for major companies was
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    taken seriously
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    [Music]
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    auditors are now no longer allowed to
  • 00:38:18
    audit a publicly traded company for more
  • 00:38:20
    than 10 years
  • 00:38:21
    and auditors also have more liability
  • 00:38:24
    related to audits under civil law
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    listed stock companies must have
  • 00:38:29
    effective internal controls
  • 00:38:32
    and barfin has more power and is
  • 00:38:35
    directly responsible for monitoring
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    balance sheets
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    some parts of this law are useful but
  • 00:38:49
    when it comes to auditing it doesn't go
  • 00:38:52
    far enough
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    i would have liked a stronger separation
  • 00:38:55
    of auditing and consulting
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    [Music]
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    but it won't improve the quality of
  • 00:39:05
    audits
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    in the end
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    the fisk may lead to an even more
  • 00:39:11
    concentrated audit market
  • 00:39:15
    more rules means more bureaucracy which
  • 00:39:18
    often goes beyond the capacities of
  • 00:39:20
    smaller firms
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    sven gigold says the fisk doesn't
  • 00:39:27
    address the actual problem
  • 00:39:35
    stricter public supervision
  • 00:39:38
    but if the thousands of auditors have
  • 00:39:40
    conflicts of interest
  • 00:39:43
    then just adding supervision on top is
  • 00:39:45
    attacking from the wrong end
  • 00:39:53
    let's be honest
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    [Music]
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    was an opportunity missed
  • 00:40:06
    thomas haggett is disappointed
  • 00:40:09
    the law hasn't restored his trust
  • 00:40:14
    venezuela
  • 00:40:17
    since they say pensions aren't safe
  • 00:40:20
    and that everyone should fend for
  • 00:40:22
    themselves
  • 00:40:24
    the government and politicians have to
  • 00:40:26
    make sure that auditors keep an eye on
  • 00:40:28
    things
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    and catch fraud before it happens
  • 00:40:39
    [Music]
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    what would need to happen for that to be
  • 00:40:44
    guaranteed by auditing
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    [Music]
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    i believe that in every country the
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    auditing job should be done by the
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    governments not by private companies
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    private corporations have always the
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    for-profit as a goal
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    and
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    the conflict that exists as far as
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    independence it will never be solved
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    fabio de marzi would like to see radical
  • 00:41:12
    changes to the market system
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    auditing and consultancy need to be
  • 00:41:18
    strictly separated
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    we need to break up the big players and
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    we need to require the inclusion of
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    mid-sized auditors
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    when it comes to incorrect balance
  • 00:41:33
    sheets class peter naumann says the
  • 00:41:35
    companies are primarily responsible
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    the supervisory board has to ensure
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    compliance if the board isn't doing its
  • 00:41:44
    job authorities must intervene and
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    baffin needs more rights
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    how much public involvement you would
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    want in any solution and how much
  • 00:41:55
    market-based involvement you would want
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    in any solution
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    that is a political
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    question wirecard shows once again that
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    audits cannot offer sufficient
  • 00:42:05
    protection against financial fraud
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    markets need reliable monitoring free of
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    conflicts of interest
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    you
Tags
  • Big Four
  • auditing
  • consultancy
  • Wirecard scandal
  • conflict of interest
  • financial fraud
  • auditing reform
  • independence
  • accountability
  • regulation