Westside Barbell Podcast #21 - Louie Simmons reveals how he overcame his injuries to succeed

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Summary

TLDRIn the Westside Barbell podcast, the hosts discuss Louis Simmons's extensive list of injuries and the innovative recovery methods he developed over the years. Simmons, a renowned strength coach, particularly highlights his back injuries, focusing on the 1973 L5 vertebra fracture. Unable to find effective professional treatments, Simmons invented the reverse hyperextension exercise, which significantly aided his recovery and later proved beneficial in preventing back injuries in others. Throughout the podcast, Simmons emphasizes the importance of learning from injuries, training correctly, and staying mentally tough. He shares anecdotes about overcoming adversities, including other injuries, such as torn biceps, patellar tendon rupture, and shoulder issues, often without surgical intervention. Simmons's experiences inspire a training philosophy that prioritizes adaptability, using exercises like reverse hypers, static abs, and integrated body work to build strength and resilience. He encourages those dealing with injuries to innovate and persist rather than rely solely on typical medical advice. His story is a testament to the resilience and ingenuity required to overcome physical setbacks, providing valuable lessons for athletes and trainers worldwide.

Takeaways

  • πŸ‹οΈβ€β™‚οΈ Importance of reverse hyperextension for recovery.
  • 🧠 Mental resilience is key in overcoming injuries.
  • πŸ€Έβ€β™‚οΈ Correct training techniques prevent injuries.
  • πŸ”„ Adaptability can lead to innovative solutions.
  • 🦴 Avoid unnecessary surgical interventions.
  • πŸ€Όβ€β™‚οΈ Static abs and other exercises improve flexibility.
  • πŸ‘¨β€πŸ« Learning from personal experience is crucial.
  • πŸ‹οΈβ€β™€οΈ High repetition training enhances tissue recovery.
  • πŸ₯‹ Specialized exercises benefit athletes in various sports.
  • πŸ’‘ Ingenuity helps solve complex recovery challenges.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The podcast begins with a review of Louis Simmons's injuries and recovery methods. He begins discussing his major injuries, starting with a 1973 injury of an L5 fracture and SI joint.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    In 1973, after achieving significant lifting successes, Simmons injured himself losing concentration during good mornings exercise, leading to seeking self-recovery methods due to unsuccessful treatments.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Simmons describes an innovative reverse hyper exercise he began using for recovery, which eventually led to the development of machines based on this exercise, which yielded patents for him.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Even after repeating the injury in 1981, Simmons refused surgery and instead relied on reverse hypers, acupuncture, and stretching to recover, proving resilient by lifting competitively even later in his life.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Simmons emphasizes a strong foundation through oblique work and static abs while introducing methods like belt squats for powerful but safe training, highlighting a chiropractor using a belt squat as the 'spinal liner'.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    He elaborates on the mechanism and success of the reverse hyper in training, mentioning impressive stats of lifters without back injuries, attributing success to the reverse hyper machine's high volume load.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Simmons describes how the reverse hyper aids training by correcting muscle imbalances, essential for explosive power in athletics, though often misunderstood by educational systems focused on single-joint exercises.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    In overcoming severe injuries, Simmons used creative methods, such as doing exercises in reverse like reverse hyper, maintaining training intensity while ensuring safety through self-devised techniques.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Concerns around exercises perceived as dangerous are countered with points on safely pushing limits with the right technique and gradual increase in load, using the reverse hyper as an example of misunderstood but effective training.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Simmons continues to emphasize the importance of high-rep training and adapting workouts to handle larger volumes safely, showcasing notable examples in athletic performance improvements through these ideas.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    While confronting myths about exercise dangers, Simmons emphasizes proper spinal training through exercises like reverse hyper to mitigate injuries, while training to develop safe, strong lifting capabilities.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:00:00

    Training resilience and adaptation are highlighted, discussing how to push through personal thresholds without injury by understanding body mechanics and applying them into advancing athletic performance.

  • 01:00:00 - 01:05:00

    Simmons elaborates on his neck injury and subsequent shoulder replacement and how he created a recovery path using tools like the bandbell bar, emphasizing large volumes of light training over time.

  • 01:05:00 - 01:10:00

    He credits his recovery from surgery using controlled progressive exercises, including bandbell bar and heat therapy. He achieved a full range of motion after surgery beyond typical recovery expectations.

  • 01:10:00 - 01:15:00

    Simmons shares an unconventional but successful approach using high reps and consistency in muscle stimulation to facilitate recovery, which included the bandbell bar and other unique exercises.

  • 01:15:00 - 01:20:00

    The importance of posterior chain development is reiterated with focus on high repetitions of exercises like reverse hyper for muscle endurance and injury management, supported by his personal rehabilitation experiences.

  • 01:20:00 - 01:25:00

    Techniques such as using modified equipment for specific muscle training are explored as Simmons recounts recovery from various injuries, drawing on his own extensive experience and experimentation.

  • 01:25:00 - 01:32:00

    In conclusion, Simmons’s unyielding attitude towards overcoming injury has led to innovations like the reverse hyper and novel training methods that not only boosted his recoveries but transformed how injuries could be approached in strength sports.

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Video Q&A

  • What is the main topic of the podcast?

    The podcast reviews Louis Simmons's injuries and the methods he used to recover.

  • What was one of Louis Simmons's significant injuries?

    In 1973, Simmons suffered a fracture of L5 and injuries to his SI joint.

  • How did Simmons recover from his L5 fracture?

    He developed the reverse hyperextension exercise, aiding his recovery.

  • What is the benefit of the reverse hyperexercise?

    It aids spinal recovery and helps prevent future back injuries.

  • What philosophy does Simmons follow for recovery?

    He promotes adapting and learning from injuries, focusing on correct training techniques.

  • Did Simmons have any surgeries for his injuries?

    Simmons avoided surgeries whenever possible, opting for exercises and techniques he developed.

  • What kind of exercises did Simmons focus on?

    He emphasizes reverse hypers, static abs, and flexibility exercises.

  • Why does Simmons not trust advice from all professionals?

    Simmons believes personal experience and problem-solving helped him more than conventional medical advice.

  • How did injuries help Simmons?

    His injuries led to the development of training methods that keep athletes injury-free.

  • What advice does Simmons offer for those recovering from injuries?

    To learn correct training techniques and stay mentally resilient.

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  • 00:00:01
    welcome to the Westside barell podcast
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    today's topic is a review of Louis
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    Simmons's injuries and the methods he
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    used to recover from them Lou's injuries
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    is a double-edged sword because due to
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    all that he put his body through has
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    allowed us to train pretty much 99.9%
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    injury free now Lou this is a long list
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    of injuries we can go through um but I'd
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    like to start off I think really at in
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    73 that's possible with um you had a L5
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    fracture and a sux SI joint so take us
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    through when that happened how it
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    occurred and what you did to recover
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    from that injury okay Tom uh remember
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    guys this is what I did to recover
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    myself I'm not telling you to do any of
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    this uh but it's worked great for me it
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    enabled me to make top 10 in the world
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    for 34 years I was a national regular
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    holder 1971 national champion in 2000 in
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    2004 I was in the bench when I was 57 I
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    was 10th in the deadlift and um you know
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    I did it out of learning how to train
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    correctly after banging myself up so
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    basically I will start back in 73 in
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    1973 I just made a 1655 total at that
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    time at 180 lbs there was two hours
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    weins no gear of any kind wasn't even
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    allowed to wear wrist trp in 1973 ipf
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    had just been started Olympic weight
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    lifting belt no power belts is around no
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    no suits no rapid War things that that's
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    it uh in the worlds in in November 72 to
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    I Was Won by um Bob McGee he totaled
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    1635 so I actually hit 20 lbs more than
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    what had just won the World
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    Championships I just jumped in from
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    November uh in 72 I had done
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    1555 and so in three months later I
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    jumped 100 pounds of my total basically
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    by doing a lot of mental training but um
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    I lived on good mornings I was able to
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    do 435 for five in the benover good
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    morning I pyramided all the way up and I
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    pyramided all the way back down and at
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    3:15 I worked up in five reps segments
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    but then going back down when I hit 315
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    it was 10 reps and then 275 for 10 2 and
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    A4 for 10 and then 20 18 185 and 20 135
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    well the good morning was the key to all
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    my success but I lost my concentration
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    and that's when I occurred this injury
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    and uh so I was going to all kind of
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    people no one no one seemed to be able
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    to fix me at all so I I was going to
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    have to fix myself I was on crutches for
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    10 months I couldn't St on ear lay
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    because of stica and I mean no matter
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    what I did I couldn't do it I couldn't
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    do good mornings back Rays side bins I
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    lived on that 180 lb side bins I also
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    had a 670 lb deadlift in that contest I
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    couldn't squatter dead couldn't do
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    anything couldn't work so one day I you
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    know I was trying to do back raises and
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    just by applying pressure to my ankles
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    to raise my torso it would kill me so I
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    was thinking one day by myself what if I
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    did it in reverse so I decided take my
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    go home and get in the power rack I
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    trained in my garage actually at that
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    time my basement um I put up um a couple
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    two by tens on the safety pins in the
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    power rack and got up and I swung my
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    feet under and um lifted my feet to the
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    RAR in no pain for the first time in
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    basically a year and it also pumped up
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    my back so I knew I had something so
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    that's that was how I started reverse
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    hyper exercise I'm sure people were
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    doing this over in Europe uh you know a
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    hundred years before this but I didn't
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    know it and uh you know I just come ACR
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    Cent and that it it saved me nowadays
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    we've had actually six United States
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    patents and international patents on
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    this machine um so basically that's how
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    it started and then in 19 um so how I
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    recovered was basically by doing the
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    reverse hypers doing reverse hypers and
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    abs and trying to stretch I recovered
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    and actually to the point back in in um
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    you know by 1978 I was back to top 10
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    fourth in the dead I pulled 710 at 195
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    and uh so I I made a pretty good
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    recovery but unfortunately U I broke it
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    again in 1981 early
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    1981 and I I knew knew that I'd done it
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    but I didn't want to admit it to myself
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    so I just kept training right up the end
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    of the year and I finally got smashed
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    and so I went and saw a surgeon here in
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    Columbus Ohio um the surgeon wanted to
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    uh remove two discs take off bone spurs
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    and fuse my lower back he told me to
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    come back in a couple days and we would
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    talk more about I said okay doc I never
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    went back uh I basically said no way
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    Jose I'm not doing this and um uh so I I
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    went home and I started doing I went
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    back to doing reverse hypers oh by the
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    way I couldn't lay down this time for 17
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    weeks I could not lean myself backwards
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    he hurt too bad so um I believe I broke
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    my upper back the same time but no one
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    paid attention to that but basically I
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    went back and I started doing reverse
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    hypers acupuncture and ACU pressure I
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    had a really good acupuncture sh at the
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    time and and then stretching um and and
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    again so I recovered to the point I was
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    in 1971 in 200 2005 or 6 when I was 57 I
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    pulled a 715 dead Point 217
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    and uh also in um when I was 63 years
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    old I pulled 675 in the me at 2117 so I
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    fully recover there nothing wrong my
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    back today I mean I I learned how to
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    prevent a bad back you know there's so
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    many EX uh experts out there experts on
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    uh you know bad backs I think I'm an
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    expert on a healthy back so I think you
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    ought to look for someone knows how to
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    keep a back healthy instead of go in and
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    and have do nothing for you cuz that's
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    exactly what this the the spot I was in
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    back in 197 3 and I didn't go to anyone
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    1981 I did it myself so anyhow that's
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    how my you know my back started so I
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    realize also at that time you have to do
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    a lot of ABS I started doing a lot of
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    standup ABS sta static ABS your your
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    rectus abdominals you're not doing
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    setups when you live they have to be
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    very strong especially the obliques this
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    is all for all sports but particularly
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    for ours where you stand with massive
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    weights on your back so a lot of oblique
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    work a lot of abdominal work static
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    stuff I do it as standup abs in a lap
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    machine I do a lot of just static stuff
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    almost like Ping with someone and uh
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    also nowadays what we do uh is a lot of
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    reverse hypers of course and belt squats
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    we stand the belt squat machine there's
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    a chiropractor here in town who use belt
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    squat he calls it the spinal liner both
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    these exercises you can do enormous
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    amount of tonnage in and at the same
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    time they're traction devices and a few
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    other things I do make sure you um have
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    a couple traction U machines in your gym
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    I have a traction machine in verse table
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    a know a good one from the chiropractor
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    I have a neck traction machine so uh we
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    do a lot of that and you know why I'm on
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    the why I'm on the subject too um Tom
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    you saw my Mr eyes my neck and my upper
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    back it's just basically fused together
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    and I can never get an arch and a bench
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    or a squat and so I found out by taking
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    this
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    ball and I put this in my lower back and
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    how a lot of people bench prush you've
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    seen it where they pull their heels up
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    under you drive their feet down and you
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    know keep a B on the bench and Arch this
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    this brought back my lower back um um
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    flexibility where I could Arch then I
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    just thought well my upper back is so
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    bad why not start rolling it up so I
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    rolled it into to the thoracic and on on
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    up and I would get on a bench put it on
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    my back and my shoulders would be about
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    that far off the bench I load up a bar
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    in P in a bench press put up on it and
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    literally forc my traps down to the to
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    the bench that's how I gain range of
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    motion and get my range of motion back
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    in my upper spine and I really highly
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    recommended it
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    not only uh does this work it also
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    stretches out the Seas and one thing U
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    John can may maybe come up with why
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    reverse hypers work we do a lot I have a
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    a dual pens of reverse hypers we do a
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    lot of one-legged reverse hypers and
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    basically when you get on the machine
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    and do this it'll stretch out the so as
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    it's an open chain exercise and John I
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    could you just explain briefly about
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    what it does yeah the the reverse effer
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    does a lot of
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    stuff uh one of the big things except
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    especially for lifters that it does is
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    it enables it gets back functionality
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    back into the spine and by functionality
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    I mean the actual uh joint segments of
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    the lumbar spine so a lot of times when
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    you're deadlifting when you're squatting
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    there's an isometric contraction in the
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    lumbar spine and you're trying not to
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    move it right well what happens is the
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    as you become very good at is holding
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    the isometric contraction it's going to
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    create a lot of uh compression on the
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    disc especially if you're loading it in
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    a squat stuff like that what the uh
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    reverse hyper does
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    when you're in the bent pendulum
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    especially it drives you into uh hip
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    flexion even more in a traction position
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    and it enables the uh discs uh or the
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    the spinal joints to start to segment
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    and when I mean segment Envision like a
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    train going over a track if you got if
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    you each cart you want to go over one at
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    a time and what that is is very it's
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    very therapeutic for the disc while at
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    the same time you're training the disc
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    to increase the biological capacity of
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    what those discs and do so you're really
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    mitigating injury it's very therapeutic
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    and it's it's going to enable you to
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    lift a lot longer um you know currently
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    we have 24 800lb deadlifters getting
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    ready be number 25 our top 10 deadlift
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    average is 866 lb our top five is 890 lb
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    we have no back injuries we live on
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    reverse hypers our formula for uh
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    basically training is the volume of your
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    squat if you well you know how we do the
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    volume of squat we do 25 squ you you
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    multiply that and then you come up with
  • 00:09:31
    the total volume but our reverse hypers
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    is four times the volume of our squats
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    and it's done twice a week on speed day
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    on speed strength day and Max effort day
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    so we do enormous amount of reverse
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    hypers I'm talking 60,000 lounds and
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    more so and why do we do that it's a
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    single joint motion uh like John was
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    talking about it it rotates it rotates
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    the sacrum am I right yeah uh builds the
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    spinal rectors the glutes and the
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    hamstrings it builds them all together
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    so you do not have any muscle imbalances
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    too many people have tremendously strong
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    backs and but no glutes they can't lock
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    out weights they want why they get up
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    their legs are bent they can't lock it
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    out because their glutes are weak so
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    this is a a tremendous glute Builder as
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    well and you know basically all you
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    traff Elites out there a lot of top
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    track guys will do a lot of isolation
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    isometrics on the glute muscles so
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    that's exactly what we do so um uh
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    that's why it's so important to do that
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    and we also do it in the belt Squad and
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    the hamstrings too because if you look
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    at the hamstrings you're training the
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    hamstrings from an open chain yes cuz
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    the reverse hypers if you look at the uh
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    the fibers of the hamstring they're
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    rather linear right and so a lot of
  • 00:10:35
    people like for instance the inverse leg
  • 00:10:36
    curl was a closed chain one to train the
  • 00:10:38
    hamstrings but the reverse hyper would
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    be a complement of a open chain to also
  • 00:10:43
    train the hamstrings so you capture both
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    open and closed chain movements uh years
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    ago I had a lady here she ran track for
  • 00:10:49
    Ohio State the Nast West and then
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    decided so I worked with her for track
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    and helped the track times out
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    enormously but um she ended up being a
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    holding world record in squat years with
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    barely any gears quad 567 163 they they
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    had her go to Ohio State and exercise
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    Fizz lab and tell her hamstering quad
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    ratio her hamstring were 60 quad 40 it's
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    supposedly one it's highest to ever
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    rested High state by a mile and they
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    Wonder know how I done it and I told
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    them well come on down I got 10 people
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    test like this why because of the the
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    nature of how we train all posterior
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    train change posterior trains everything
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    so it's all reverse hypers uh glued ham
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    iners curls once we get into in a little
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    bit but that's how we protect oursel
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    from injuries remember
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    single joint why why all you College
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    people out there and you go into class
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    your exercise Fist and you're only
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    allowed to do single joint exercises for
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    your thesis because they consider
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    multijoint exercise like daily Squad
  • 00:11:42
    bench too dangerous P clean so they want
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    you to work one joint and um and uh a
  • 00:11:48
    lot of times on sideb machine at that so
  • 00:11:50
    that's exactly I follow this we work we
  • 00:11:52
    train in single joint that way whatever
  • 00:11:54
    the weakest portion of your back is or
  • 00:11:56
    or I mean your body we can put the most
  • 00:11:59
    emphas in to decrease muscle and
  • 00:12:01
    balances and that's why we don't have
  • 00:12:02
    any injuries now Louis when you were
  • 00:12:06
    overcoming your injuries in 73 and 81
  • 00:12:08
    there were surely some exercises that
  • 00:12:10
    you found that were no go especially in
  • 00:12:13
    in the rehabilitation of lower back was
  • 00:12:15
    there any I could not do any I could not
  • 00:12:18
    squat I could not deadlift I lived I did
  • 00:12:20
    180 lb side deadlifts I could not do
  • 00:12:23
    side V period um back raises I I use 135
  • 00:12:27
    for sets of five in the back rais could
  • 00:12:29
    not begin to do a back race soon as I
  • 00:12:31
    put pressure on my heels my lower back
  • 00:12:32
    would kill me and I mean I couldn't work
  • 00:12:35
    I I mean I was out I was gone and I mean
  • 00:12:38
    there's literally no exercise I could do
  • 00:12:41
    and uh so like I said by in my opinion
  • 00:12:44
    pure luck but you know I just thought of
  • 00:12:46
    a simple way what if I did a back raise
  • 00:12:48
    in reverse and that's how it works I'm
  • 00:12:50
    doing the reverse hyper you know it's
  • 00:12:52
    it's it's a everyday staple here at West
  • 00:12:54
    site but are you doing a disservice and
  • 00:12:57
    we talk about a stomach if you don't
  • 00:12:58
    train your stomach as much as you do the
  • 00:13:00
    reverse hyper no the stomach in my
  • 00:13:02
    opinion your stomach has to be the
  • 00:13:03
    strongest mus in the body you know when
  • 00:13:05
    you're born you're connected to your
  • 00:13:06
    mother through your stomach and then
  • 00:13:09
    when you anyone that picks up a weight
  • 00:13:11
    or pushes what do you
  • 00:13:12
    do right first thing you do you better
  • 00:13:15
    take a gulp of air and hold it and uh
  • 00:13:18
    and you you want to hold it in your
  • 00:13:19
    stomach not in your chest you want to
  • 00:13:21
    hold it in your stomach so that's um
  • 00:13:24
    that's why I believe the stomach is so
  • 00:13:25
    important that's why I mentioned doing
  • 00:13:26
    um um just stand up ABS I do a lot of
  • 00:13:29
    static abs and if you talk to a lot
  • 00:13:31
    again like talk tra people they think
  • 00:13:33
    any ab exercise is [Β __Β ] except for
  • 00:13:35
    side bands and static ABS that's all
  • 00:13:37
    they think you should do so I mean I
  • 00:13:40
    just by what me I do that but I also do
  • 00:13:42
    a lot of leg raises to me it's Mobility
  • 00:13:45
    I lay down and pull my my feet over my
  • 00:13:46
    head and um bent leg straight leg with
  • 00:13:49
    weights years ago Matt demo was one of
  • 00:13:51
    our is our first world record hor in a
  • 00:13:53
    squad did th10 it held up back with
  • 00:13:55
    party inie gar H up for seven years and
  • 00:13:58
    Matt would do great leg setups with his
  • 00:14:00
    feet with a barbell behind his back a
  • 00:14:02
    barbell he could just set up 115 lbs now
  • 00:14:05
    Paul chers is right behind that and Paul
  • 00:14:07
    end up squ doing better gears Paul squ
  • 00:14:09
    around 1160 and Paul I think was doing
  • 00:14:11
    them with like 100 or a little more but
  • 00:14:14
    you got but you know as John would tell
  • 00:14:16
    you your hip flexors is going to be
  • 00:14:17
    involved in all this you want to build
  • 00:14:18
    all the muscle groups but um a lot of
  • 00:14:21
    ABS you got to train your abs every day
  • 00:14:22
    I mean I I believe you should go in the
  • 00:14:24
    gym here's how I warm up I I I don't
  • 00:14:28
    think anyone should ever stret before
  • 00:14:29
    day train stretching should be another
  • 00:14:31
    workout on the squat and bench days on
  • 00:14:33
    the two days a week I Comm in I would do
  • 00:14:35
    two sets reverse hypers and
  • 00:14:37
    abs that's how I warmed up or I pulled a
  • 00:14:40
    sled and I would do a couple set abs and
  • 00:14:43
    I was ready to go that was my I was
  • 00:14:45
    ready I would squat I'm I'm my activity
  • 00:14:47
    squatting I'm warming up in squat
  • 00:14:49
    deadlift I'm going warm up in the
  • 00:14:50
    deadlift my deadlift I would start I
  • 00:14:52
    mean I'm not the greatest you know but I
  • 00:14:53
    would start my dead list with 345 and
  • 00:14:55
    turn 20 lb of band tension I didn't put
  • 00:14:58
    a plate on and plate I started with that
  • 00:15:00
    weight with 220 lb of band tension you
  • 00:15:02
    know I I mean I was I could pull over
  • 00:15:03
    700 pretty easy you know in my 50s and
  • 00:15:06
    uh but that's how I did it so I never
  • 00:15:08
    had an injury never hurt myself one done
  • 00:15:11
    um what's the correct way to execute a
  • 00:15:14
    reverse hyper how to do it I know a lot
  • 00:15:16
    of people do it incorrect but um should
  • 00:15:19
    you try limit the range of motion should
  • 00:15:21
    you go through a full range of motion
  • 00:15:23
    should go fast should go slow is there a
  • 00:15:25
    correct way to do it they have to be
  • 00:15:27
    controlled and I think I'm just going to
  • 00:15:29
    let John explain why you have to take
  • 00:15:31
    your get the feet underneath I mean
  • 00:15:33
    that's actually why a lot of our patents
  • 00:15:35
    are patented the range of motion and
  • 00:15:37
    I'll let John explain why how to do a
  • 00:15:39
    reverse hyper and why we do it that way
  • 00:15:42
    yeah from uh I think you can use the
  • 00:15:45
    reverse hyper it's a good machine
  • 00:15:47
    because you can use it in a multitude of
  • 00:15:49
    ways from a therapeutic perspective if
  • 00:15:51
    you're trying to enhance spinal
  • 00:15:53
    functionality you want to take it
  • 00:15:55
    through the full range with a load that
  • 00:15:57
    is safe right right so all biological
  • 00:16:00
    tissues have a load absorbing capacity
  • 00:16:03
    right and as long as you stay under that
  • 00:16:05
    capacity you're not going to injure
  • 00:16:07
    yourself right now in order to increase
  • 00:16:10
    the capacity of any tissues you got to
  • 00:16:12
    stress them meaning you have to go into
  • 00:16:14
    those dangerous ranges and you got to
  • 00:16:17
    actually train them when I do a reverse
  • 00:16:20
    hyper to try to increase the
  • 00:16:21
    functionality of my spine I basically
  • 00:16:24
    contracts my glutes and my hamstrings uh
  • 00:16:27
    and I go up to almost parallel
  • 00:16:29
    or there about doesn't have to be
  • 00:16:31
    exactly parallel but you want to get
  • 00:16:33
    Motion in the vertebrae right in a
  • 00:16:35
    straight line in a straight line right
  • 00:16:37
    and so then what happens is I let it go
  • 00:16:39
    under however I control it as it goes
  • 00:16:41
    under so it's a controlled Ecentric but
  • 00:16:44
    for me personally I try to take my legs
  • 00:16:47
    as far under as possible because that's
  • 00:16:50
    I think really where the magic of the
  • 00:16:52
    machine happens right because now you
  • 00:16:54
    know if you look at all these studies
  • 00:16:56
    where they say spinal flexions dangerous
  • 00:16:58
    spinal flexions d dangerous well if
  • 00:17:00
    spinal flexion is dangerous and we know
  • 00:17:02
    that we don't have capacity in those
  • 00:17:03
    ranges as lifters or athletes or just
  • 00:17:06
    everyday humans you want to go into
  • 00:17:08
    those ranges start to capture those
  • 00:17:10
    ranges increase capacity in those ranges
  • 00:17:12
    so that you start to mitigate injury so
  • 00:17:14
    I let I let it go under and I try to
  • 00:17:16
    take it under using basically my hip
  • 00:17:18
    flexor my soaz quadron Bor iliac like
  • 00:17:21
    that whole soaz complex try and actually
  • 00:17:23
    take it under but I I want to control it
  • 00:17:25
    the entire time and the entire time I'm
  • 00:17:28
    also I have my hands on the handle and
  • 00:17:31
    I'm trying to traction your thco lumbar
  • 00:17:34
    fascia your lats all that stuff so that
  • 00:17:36
    you get a very good mechanical force
  • 00:17:38
    into those tissues so you get
  • 00:17:40
    functionality into those tissues so that
  • 00:17:42
    now you have a good functioning spine
  • 00:17:44
    now let's go load the spine what John
  • 00:17:47
    was saying is exactly I do when I go
  • 00:17:49
    underneath I actually slide off the
  • 00:17:50
    machine and then when I come up I pull
  • 00:17:53
    myself back up I slide out pull back up
  • 00:17:55
    slide out pull back up yeah and and he
  • 00:17:58
    brought up the point point he said
  • 00:17:59
    eccentrically the reverse hyper people
  • 00:18:02
    swing the reverse hyper it has Ecentric
  • 00:18:04
    concentric and a static portion and if
  • 00:18:06
    you do it totally correctly think this
  • 00:18:09
    guys you start the action with your
  • 00:18:11
    heels you start to pull with your heels
  • 00:18:14
    contract you of course your calves and
  • 00:18:15
    your hamstrings and your glutes and your
  • 00:18:17
    spinal recors to that direction but
  • 00:18:19
    start with the heel let it um circulate
  • 00:18:22
    up into the low back and and the glutes
  • 00:18:24
    right and the cool part about that is so
  • 00:18:26
    that's the way that I do it to increase
  • 00:18:27
    spinal functionality yes right but then
  • 00:18:30
    the what he what Lou was talking about
  • 00:18:32
    earlier about actually loading the spine
  • 00:18:34
    and really increasing it so that you
  • 00:18:36
    don't get uh uh out of balance from all
  • 00:18:39
    the deadlifts and the squats now on that
  • 00:18:41
    one you're probably going to shorten the
  • 00:18:42
    range and not go under as
  • 00:18:44
    much but we go under pretty far I mean
  • 00:18:47
    I've actually got guys they use 50% of
  • 00:18:49
    her Squat and i' I've had two 1200lb
  • 00:18:51
    squatters that do the math yeah yeah you
  • 00:18:54
    know like the day we got a new kid he
  • 00:18:56
    was using 400 lb for 35 reps all right
  • 00:18:59
    he's a he he can de about 810 right now
  • 00:19:02
    so and he's a his a squats 940 he's tall
  • 00:19:06
    built a deadlift but we're going to
  • 00:19:08
    raise those lifts up so we do remember
  • 00:19:10
    four times of volume that's how much we
  • 00:19:11
    pay attention and also um years ago
  • 00:19:14
    coach joa at the time he was Minnesota
  • 00:19:16
    and he bought three reverse hypers I
  • 00:19:17
    told him he could train his lower back 5
  • 00:19:19
    days a week he said nobody could train
  • 00:19:21
    your lower back 5 days a week I said I'm
  • 00:19:22
    telling you you can do it a month later
  • 00:19:24
    he bought three more machines then I got
  • 00:19:26
    a phone call from Minnesota min soda
  • 00:19:29
    exercise Fizz lab and they want to know
  • 00:19:30
    if I knew why you could use the machine
  • 00:19:33
    five times a week because they were
  • 00:19:34
    doing just that and I go be honest with
  • 00:19:35
    you I don't I don't and they told me it
  • 00:19:38
    open it opens up the disc andow the
  • 00:19:39
    spine will float into the spine every
  • 00:19:41
    time you use it so we do them no less
  • 00:19:43
    than four times a week two very heavy
  • 00:19:46
    high volume very heavy and and two about
  • 00:19:48
    50% of that particular I like them on
  • 00:19:50
    the bench press day or after you Squad
  • 00:19:52
    deal if go back in the next day and do
  • 00:19:53
    them again it takes all your soreness
  • 00:19:55
    anybody sits at the desk just walk in do
  • 00:19:58
    a set of reverse hypers and your Pain's
  • 00:19:59
    all
  • 00:20:01
    gone so what what do you say to those
  • 00:20:04
    that think the reverse hyper is
  • 00:20:06
    dangerous well
  • 00:20:09
    they're they're um unn knowledgeable
  • 00:20:12
    they've never used it you know there's a
  • 00:20:13
    lot I hear a lot of guys talk about
  • 00:20:14
    reverse hyper I'll guarantee you they've
  • 00:20:16
    never used one and everybody knows about
  • 00:20:18
    Westside but they never been here you
  • 00:20:21
    got to come to Westside everybody T all
  • 00:20:24
    they they can train a West Side don't
  • 00:20:25
    they until they show up and what happens
  • 00:20:27
    to them they're on
  • 00:20:29
    needs they can't I mean and and we never
  • 00:20:32
    I would never try to do that they cannot
  • 00:20:33
    do the training it takes a month or two
  • 00:20:36
    it actually takes 10 months to acquire
  • 00:20:37
    the ability to do the volume that we do
  • 00:20:40
    that's why we broke way over 100 World
  • 00:20:42
    Records right around 140 world and yeah
  • 00:20:45
    we're still breaking World Records right
  • 00:20:48
    we just broke one two three weeks ago
  • 00:20:50
    yeah and I think as long as you have the
  • 00:20:52
    prerequisites required and you know how
  • 00:20:54
    to load your tissues you know your
  • 00:20:56
    threshold you know where you're at it's
  • 00:20:58
    not not D dangerous at all the problem
  • 00:21:00
    is people don't they get in the machine
  • 00:21:02
    they have no concept of what what
  • 00:21:04
    they're supposed to be doing with it
  • 00:21:05
    they don't know the form they don't
  • 00:21:07
    understand the technique the mechanics
  • 00:21:08
    of what's going on and they don't
  • 00:21:10
    understand that you know Progressive
  • 00:21:12
    overload you need to start somewhere and
  • 00:21:14
    it's not going to be at the top you need
  • 00:21:16
    to learn how to do it then you need to
  • 00:21:17
    progressively start to overload the
  • 00:21:19
    tissues you also have to be on a real
  • 00:21:21
    reverse hyper yeah a real don't get on a
  • 00:21:24
    piece of junk that people sell you know
  • 00:21:26
    a lot of people you know one of my I
  • 00:21:28
    have a trade Mar and and it says often
  • 00:21:30
    imitated always irritated because every
  • 00:21:32
    time I turn around someone's trying to
  • 00:21:34
    copy what we're doing and you know
  • 00:21:36
    that's okay I I don't they say it's a
  • 00:21:37
    form of flattery I don't care I don't
  • 00:21:39
    even I don't care about these people I'm
  • 00:21:40
    not going to expose their name because
  • 00:21:41
    they don't deserve any credit for doing
  • 00:21:44
    anything yeah and from um a therapy
  • 00:21:48
    point of view if you had someone who
  • 00:21:50
    just committ off the street how would
  • 00:21:51
    you run them through a reverse hyper
  • 00:21:53
    protocol John yeah so I mean I work in a
  • 00:21:56
    in a medical setting uh with people that
  • 00:21:58
    have legitimate pathology uh in in the
  • 00:22:01
    spine and it it all depends on the
  • 00:22:04
    individual I mean one of the things that
  • 00:22:06
    you know uh I talk about a lot is people
  • 00:22:09
    can't they don't segment their spine
  • 00:22:11
    they the lumbar spine doesn't function
  • 00:22:13
    and that's the reason why they're having
  • 00:22:14
    issues so I need to put them in a
  • 00:22:16
    setting where I can start to get their
  • 00:22:18
    lumbar spine to segment and where we can
  • 00:22:20
    start to get it to function now a lot of
  • 00:22:23
    people uh maybe in the physical therapy
  • 00:22:25
    or therapeutic side of it will get
  • 00:22:28
    people and they'll do what's called a
  • 00:22:29
    cat camel uh which is where you're
  • 00:22:32
    trying to uh get the the spine to fully
  • 00:22:35
    flex and extend it's it's kind of like a
  • 00:22:37
    yoga thing too um that's a good thing to
  • 00:22:40
    do however the problem is there's no way
  • 00:22:42
    to progressively overload that so you're
  • 00:22:45
    you're acquiring maybe more function but
  • 00:22:48
    you're not increasing the capacity of
  • 00:22:49
    the tissues because there's no external
  • 00:22:51
    load so what I do is I use the reverse
  • 00:22:54
    hyper to pretty much do the same thing
  • 00:22:57
    uh except we have a load now so now we
  • 00:23:01
    can start to externally load those
  • 00:23:02
    tissues so that we can start to not only
  • 00:23:04
    increase the functionality of the
  • 00:23:05
    individual spine but also increase the
  • 00:23:07
    capacity of their biological tissues to
  • 00:23:09
    start to mitigate injury uh at the same
  • 00:23:12
    time yeah I want bring up a point too
  • 00:23:15
    you talk about people bending over and
  • 00:23:16
    they shouldn't bend over but migrant
  • 00:23:18
    workers bend over all the time pick up
  • 00:23:20
    fruit they have no back problems and
  • 00:23:22
    also U our biggest de of 915 with no
  • 00:23:24
    gear Chris spegel pulls 95% stiffly he
  • 00:23:28
    barely just knee flexion leg straight
  • 00:23:31
    and pulls up 9915 in uh years ago vinc
  • 00:23:34
    Tommy I know you saw pictures of V you
  • 00:23:36
    saw pole 810 I saw pole 821 uh 99%
  • 00:23:40
    straight leg bent over dead and KK the
  • 00:23:43
    great you know the great guy from
  • 00:23:44
    overseas I PS 947 how's he deadly all
  • 00:23:47
    been over you know what I mean they
  • 00:23:48
    don't have back problems they have
  • 00:23:50
    strong backs right yeah and think about
  • 00:23:53
    it and I mean it's just like we say all
  • 00:23:54
    the time is you know people you know
  • 00:23:56
    people will say hey this exercise is is
  • 00:23:58
    dangerous and that's dangerous but it's
  • 00:24:00
    only dangerous if you don't understand
  • 00:24:02
    the mechanics of it and you don't
  • 00:24:04
    understand what your capacity is the
  • 00:24:05
    only way to increase you know people can
  • 00:24:07
    say the bench press is dangerous for
  • 00:24:09
    your shoulders and bad for your s but if
  • 00:24:12
    the bench press has got prerequisites if
  • 00:24:13
    you don't have the required
  • 00:24:14
    prerequisites then yeah it is going to
  • 00:24:16
    be detrimental to you right but but
  • 00:24:18
    that's the thing is it's not dangerous
  • 00:24:20
    and technically if we know that a lot of
  • 00:24:22
    disc issues occur in uh flexion of the
  • 00:24:25
    spine then we should probably start to
  • 00:24:27
    go into flexion of the
  • 00:24:29
    and train it if you get hit in the face
  • 00:24:30
    all the time you better learn to put
  • 00:24:31
    your hands up right yeah yeah you know I
  • 00:24:35
    think the most dangerous thing in a gym
  • 00:24:37
    or in a a setting where you have to
  • 00:24:39
    train athletes as the instructor if he's
  • 00:24:41
    unn knowledgeable you have a lot of
  • 00:24:42
    injuries I I know of cases uh 40% of
  • 00:24:47
    athletes are hurt in D1 schools
  • 00:24:50
    40% yeah that is insane well it's like
  • 00:24:53
    this thing about it is let's say that
  • 00:24:55
    you get a you get a soft tissue strain
  • 00:24:57
    where you you've torn some some sort of
  • 00:24:58
    connective tissue right then people will
  • 00:25:00
    say rest that okay well realistically
  • 00:25:03
    you shouldn't be looking how to rest it
  • 00:25:05
    right you should be looking okay how can
  • 00:25:07
    I start to load this tissue right in a
  • 00:25:09
    safe setting so that I can start to get
  • 00:25:11
    good stressor inputs so that I'm going
  • 00:25:13
    to start to increase and Aid in the
  • 00:25:14
    healing process does that make sense
  • 00:25:17
    well John I know you bodybuild a lot you
  • 00:25:19
    know your legs would be sore and I know
  • 00:25:20
    the massive reps you do I helped you a
  • 00:25:22
    couple times but if you went the next
  • 00:25:23
    day in your sore what what' you do you
  • 00:25:25
    want got in leg press a few reps of
  • 00:25:26
    soreness one away right exactly it
  • 00:25:28
    didn't make a Mor sore it took it away
  • 00:25:30
    right and so you know you can't be a
  • 00:25:31
    puss all your life you actually got to
  • 00:25:33
    train uh the only way to become at a
  • 00:25:35
    high level athlete is adaptation you
  • 00:25:37
    have to do a higher volume on a on a
  • 00:25:41
    basic method of attaining that over
  • 00:25:43
    years and also taking your one rep max
  • 00:25:46
    uh percentages up slightly all the time
  • 00:25:49
    that's the key to training right so what
  • 00:25:50
    you said is it's a process it's process
  • 00:25:52
    and so that's the thing is you got to
  • 00:25:54
    invest time into the process it's not
  • 00:25:55
    something that's going to occur
  • 00:25:56
    overnight you got to learn the mechanics
  • 00:25:58
    of it you got to understand what you're
  • 00:26:00
    trying to do and you got to
  • 00:26:01
    progressively start to overload those
  • 00:26:04
    tissues and that would make it safe you
  • 00:26:06
    know what I mean right I mean tomm you
  • 00:26:08
    see how many times like I silent Joe I
  • 00:26:10
    know he probably trains no no less than
  • 00:26:12
    eight times and maybe 10 now he's he
  • 00:26:14
    trains like I did when I could train he
  • 00:26:15
    does real 8 to 10 real workouts a week
  • 00:26:19
    he's gone from uh you know basically I
  • 00:26:22
    don't know maybe 1,800 to 2235 in 2
  • 00:26:25
    years at 198 pull 7 to quarter deadlift
  • 00:26:27
    9 B squat so he's jumped way up how by
  • 00:26:31
    doing and he's massively thick very
  • 00:26:33
    muscular yeah isn't probably the the
  • 00:26:37
    most dangerous thing you can be is weak
  • 00:26:39
    that's probably well and then think
  • 00:26:41
    about what what makes you weak not
  • 00:26:43
    having stressors to come into the system
  • 00:26:45
    so that's where it always goes back to I
  • 00:26:47
    don't care how strong someone is if
  • 00:26:49
    you're deadlifting and you're trying to
  • 00:26:50
    do Max effort work or even if you're
  • 00:26:52
    doing repetition method eventually your
  • 00:26:55
    your your uh mechanics are going to fail
  • 00:26:57
    and you're going to go into more more
  • 00:26:58
    flexion now you better hope that you've
  • 00:27:01
    trained your discs to handle that that
  • 00:27:03
    load cuz if not now you're now you're
  • 00:27:05
    going to injure yourself but if you go
  • 00:27:07
    into the reverse hyper and you start to
  • 00:27:09
    build up the capacities of those tissues
  • 00:27:11
    you it now you can mitigate injury or
  • 00:27:13
    even totally prevent it from occurring
  • 00:27:16
    that's why you need great internal
  • 00:27:17
    abdominal pressure that's why you want
  • 00:27:19
    to push out on your belt I don't know
  • 00:27:21
    where people get sunking in on you know
  • 00:27:23
    sunking your stomach in it's [Β __Β ] uh
  • 00:27:26
    you have to push out in your belt the
  • 00:27:27
    more pressure you have abominal the less
  • 00:27:29
    pre on spinal cord I was in a thesis
  • 00:27:31
    back in the early ' 80s to prove that
  • 00:27:33
    for wi one in my stomach and one in my
  • 00:27:35
    thoracic area and um you know we proved
  • 00:27:38
    what a weightlifting belt does everyone
  • 00:27:39
    theorized what it did but no one knew
  • 00:27:42
    actually one of my first um athletes
  • 00:27:44
    Mariah Li PhD and exercise Fizz you know
  • 00:27:47
    it was her study and I was the first one
  • 00:27:48
    to be in the study over 20 people so
  • 00:27:52
    yeah well if we progress on
  • 00:27:55
    from your first injury of a long list of
  • 00:27:58
    injuries you've had um in 79 is that the
  • 00:28:02
    first time you tore a bicep off yeah 79
  • 00:28:05
    I mean that's a that's a small one we'll
  • 00:28:07
    go to 79 I turn my bicep off um you know
  • 00:28:10
    I had um I had a 462 bench and I opened
  • 00:28:13
    up 677 deadlift and I I pulled it easy
  • 00:28:17
    it's called the meat was called melt
  • 00:28:18
    down to Mississippi because it's so
  • 00:28:20
    humid and um a man called brother Benny
  • 00:28:23
    started adfpa he had no air conditioning
  • 00:28:26
    so everybody was dropping the bar and I
  • 00:28:27
    locked it out and before I got a down
  • 00:28:29
    Signal Company start slipping they don't
  • 00:28:31
    get me down to my bicep off now John can
  • 00:28:33
    explain what happened to my arm I have
  • 00:28:35
    no arm all right and uh but so power
  • 00:28:39
    liting us say Mike Lambert said that uh
  • 00:28:41
    in the next issue he said Louis was done
  • 00:28:43
    well I got back course on uh I got back
  • 00:28:45
    Sunday night from the Meet Mississippi
  • 00:28:48
    and I had two surgeons all set up I went
  • 00:28:50
    actually three two of them said operate
  • 00:28:52
    and the third said if you don't care
  • 00:28:53
    what it looks like don't operate well I
  • 00:28:54
    don't care what it looks like I'm not
  • 00:28:55
    the prettiest kind so I started training
  • 00:28:58
    and I immediately went out and how I
  • 00:29:00
    recovered from that oh well what I did I
  • 00:29:02
    went back in the gym and I started on a
  • 00:29:04
    high pin lifting uh 7:05 off a high pin
  • 00:29:08
    and then week after week I lowered it
  • 00:29:09
    all right and I just and and I mean I'll
  • 00:29:13
    die from Li two weeks later guys in
  • 00:29:15
    Black help one of the strongest gyms in
  • 00:29:17
    the country back then Steve Wilson hos
  • 00:29:19
    the boss and some guys came down i i r b
  • 00:29:22
    485 now on that mean I bed 460 touch you
  • 00:29:24
    go 485 my arm is still black and blue I
  • 00:29:27
    just want to see what would happened I
  • 00:29:28
    said well hell I got these guys here
  • 00:29:30
    let's find out and so 6 months later
  • 00:29:33
    when they said I was done I went to uh
  • 00:29:35
    the Y Nations which is T me with Roger
  • 00:29:37
    East being World Regular I went there
  • 00:29:39
    and one my first Nationals with a 480
  • 00:29:41
    bench I remember there's no shirts back
  • 00:29:42
    then I weighed 212 and pull a 705
  • 00:29:46
    deadlift all right so that's how I rehab
  • 00:29:49
    and also I would I realized right away
  • 00:29:51
    my arm would just go like this and it'
  • 00:29:54
    go back up and I thought well you know
  • 00:29:56
    when the guy said if he didn't care what
  • 00:29:58
    it looked like I said well there got to
  • 00:29:59
    be some scar teach or something hanging
  • 00:30:01
    on there so I started curling and you
  • 00:30:03
    know a 2 and2 lb plate and I got to a
  • 00:30:06
    10B plate and it snapped and my arm
  • 00:30:08
    never got black or blue until that point
  • 00:30:11
    and then you know this is like a week
  • 00:30:12
    after the meet then they got all black
  • 00:30:14
    and blue but I had great full range of
  • 00:30:16
    motion I could touch up here straighten
  • 00:30:17
    my arm out and I was off and run and
  • 00:30:19
    that's how I basically done it I mean
  • 00:30:22
    you got to be I remember John black and
  • 00:30:24
    know John black sh I talked about he
  • 00:30:26
    blew both kneecaps in the late '70s and
  • 00:30:29
    he had plastic kneecaps you know I think
  • 00:30:31
    is you know way now they're way better
  • 00:30:33
    but he the the Cleveland Brown surgeon
  • 00:30:35
    worked on him at the time that that
  • 00:30:37
    surgeon to Kil Browns and he said
  • 00:30:39
    therapy must be on the edge take it to
  • 00:30:41
    the very edge without falling off stop
  • 00:30:44
    and then you know repeat it the next
  • 00:30:45
    time and I've always used that advice
  • 00:30:47
    but what he said I've taken myself to
  • 00:30:49
    the very limit of getting hurt you know
  • 00:30:51
    just sensing if I go one more I'm going
  • 00:30:53
    to die and then start back over and work
  • 00:30:55
    it out 3 or four weeks to pass that
  • 00:30:56
    that's how I've always done it very
  • 00:30:58
    aggressive um you know very very
  • 00:31:01
    aggressive rehab and I rehab myself I
  • 00:31:03
    don't go to I don't go to people I don't
  • 00:31:05
    believe in them you don't have a scar
  • 00:31:07
    I'm sorry guys I don't believe you know
  • 00:31:09
    what you're doing if you ain't got flat
  • 00:31:11
    nose and and scar teue on your eyes you
  • 00:31:14
    can't teach me how to fight I just can't
  • 00:31:16
    do it when you tore off your bicep I was
  • 00:31:19
    deadling did you change your grips uh
  • 00:31:22
    Tom that's a good point no I did not I
  • 00:31:24
    watched a lot of people change Steve WIS
  • 00:31:25
    called him curl that was his Nick big
  • 00:31:27
    his arms he switch grips tore his bicep
  • 00:31:29
    right off Brett Tracy a good friend of
  • 00:31:31
    ours tore his other bicep right you know
  • 00:31:33
    so no I never S I figured there's
  • 00:31:35
    nothing to tear off why would I switch
  • 00:31:38
    and uh oh I want to go on well we'll
  • 00:31:40
    move up in 91 um when I had another a
  • 00:31:44
    catastrophic entry but a small one
  • 00:31:46
    because I was bored I'd never done any
  • 00:31:48
    real curls so I was in a leg cast which
  • 00:31:50
    we'll get to in a moment and I was doing
  • 00:31:52
    curls of a massive 145 and tore this
  • 00:31:54
    bicep off now John can tell you what
  • 00:31:56
    happened because now this one never hurt
  • 00:31:59
    at all but this one felt like is um
  • 00:32:02
    gasoline bured my arm off for 2 3 days
  • 00:32:05
    and it knotted up right here I tore a
  • 00:32:06
    bottom of that bicep off yeah and so
  • 00:32:09
    John can explain yeah so you can
  • 00:32:10
    actually see where can you guys see this
  • 00:32:13
    yeah you can actually see where the uh
  • 00:32:15
    the bicep basically came off and rolled
  • 00:32:17
    up right down to here onto the uh a rose
  • 00:32:20
    right there yeah so it's pretty uh so
  • 00:32:24
    can you see the lump of tissue I'm going
  • 00:32:26
    over yeah so there's a bunch of uh
  • 00:32:30
    connective tissue that uh is torn or was
  • 00:32:34
    torn and then uh basically that's how it
  • 00:32:36
    healed and actually uh you know it never
  • 00:32:39
    stopped me either I just kept riding on
  • 00:32:40
    got getting bigger and bigger benches
  • 00:32:43
    but I just did it uh you know very high
  • 00:32:46
    repetitions um you know like reverse
  • 00:32:48
    hypers I give my guys even heavy weights
  • 00:32:50
    they do no less than 20 with heavy
  • 00:32:52
    weights the low back is nothing but
  • 00:32:54
    basic ligaments and TS am I right yeah
  • 00:32:56
    you got a lot of musculature down there
  • 00:32:58
    but it's small dick uh it's very small
  • 00:33:01
    dense tissue MH so it needs High
  • 00:33:04
    repetition for blood supply that's why
  • 00:33:06
    you don't want to do five Tom we had an
  • 00:33:08
    email the other day about a guy asked me
  • 00:33:10
    I got a reply to him so maybe he's
  • 00:33:12
    listening about maxing out in Reverse
  • 00:33:14
    hybrid because he talk about muscle
  • 00:33:15
    types and he thinks he's doing it wrong
  • 00:33:16
    because we do 30 you don't max out for
  • 00:33:19
    single in a reverse hybrid yeah and the
  • 00:33:21
    thing is too when you look at the
  • 00:33:22
    musculature that's down into in the low
  • 00:33:24
    back uh the low back is is technically
  • 00:33:27
    there a lot of it is to actually prevent
  • 00:33:29
    motion from occurring that's why the
  • 00:33:31
    spine is process and so when stuff
  • 00:33:34
    functions more in an isometric sense
  • 00:33:36
    meaning it it's trying to inhibit a
  • 00:33:38
    motion from occurring you're going to
  • 00:33:39
    need more uh more repetitions to really
  • 00:33:42
    get it right do that you understand what
  • 00:33:44
    I'm saying because exactly why we do it
  • 00:33:46
    yeah because if it's isometrically you
  • 00:33:47
    know if you're just doing a hold right
  • 00:33:50
    and now you're trying to get that same
  • 00:33:51
    type of uh stressor in there you're
  • 00:33:53
    going to need a lot higher reps because
  • 00:33:54
    the repetitions are are significantly
  • 00:33:56
    quicker you know if kind of understand
  • 00:33:59
    what we're I come from experience and
  • 00:34:01
    trial and error that John says actually
  • 00:34:03
    why it
  • 00:34:04
    works you know I mean I tried it a
  • 00:34:06
    million ways wrong before I found a
  • 00:34:08
    right way never never be afraid to look
  • 00:34:10
    stupid either try anything until you
  • 00:34:12
    find anything that
  • 00:34:13
    works Tom you got any more questions
  • 00:34:16
    about low back um just a lot of traction
  • 00:34:19
    and a lot of ABS you cannot do too much
  • 00:34:21
    ABS cannot do them um no I want to move
  • 00:34:25
    on to uh 91 on to uh when uh you had you
  • 00:34:29
    ruptured your tendon yeah uh can you
  • 00:34:32
    just go how it happened and and then
  • 00:34:35
    what' you do afterwards actually I used
  • 00:34:37
    to run big cranes and uh I hold my foot
  • 00:34:40
    on the break on Mechanic cranes kind of
  • 00:34:42
    wor my nail and also hyp exin my Neo and
  • 00:34:43
    ice one time it's 1985 I tore this off
  • 00:34:46
    in 91 squatting but really it was due to
  • 00:34:49
    construction injury uh you know related
  • 00:34:51
    injury but I I tore it off and um I had
  • 00:34:54
    complete R for Patel and it it's a long
  • 00:34:58
    story but also while I was in the
  • 00:35:00
    hospital I I took in the hospital and
  • 00:35:01
    iared on me I'm allergic to anesthesia
  • 00:35:03
    and when I went back in 14 weeks later
  • 00:35:05
    had was taken out they they gave me shot
  • 00:35:07
    to calm me down and gave me hook me up
  • 00:35:09
    anesthesia and almost died they end up
  • 00:35:11
    cut after I didn't breathe for four
  • 00:35:12
    minutes it went and got a doctor and cut
  • 00:35:13
    my throat tra me put chest tubes in me
  • 00:35:16
    while I was rolling around that was a
  • 00:35:18
    lot of fun it's it's really destroyed
  • 00:35:19
    they believe it several cost with nerves
  • 00:35:22
    to this day I have lots of rib problems
  • 00:35:24
    rib pain but anyhow that's how I did it
  • 00:35:27
    um and gy um you know I Chuck vogo the
  • 00:35:29
    guys thank God had good spotters cuz
  • 00:35:31
    it's two weeks before the senior
  • 00:35:32
    Nationals and I was going to Pittsburgh
  • 00:35:34
    for the senior Nationals ibly gone over
  • 00:35:36
    there uh because there was no monoliths
  • 00:35:38
    and there's no safety straps to catch
  • 00:35:40
    you so I mean I'd probably come out with
  • 00:35:42
    a broken leg and everything else so
  • 00:35:43
    thank God I had good training Partners
  • 00:35:45
    but yeah I blew it off and actually um I
  • 00:35:48
    had a 821 Squad at the time and um and I
  • 00:35:52
    later I I didn't live for four or 5
  • 00:35:54
    years later cuz I thought I was 43 years
  • 00:35:56
    old I said well I'm done but then then I
  • 00:35:57
    got pulled out of retirement when I was
  • 00:35:59
    like late 48 but I come back to squat
  • 00:36:01
    920 I had the second biggest squat in
  • 00:36:03
    the country only Eddie con had a bigger
  • 00:36:04
    squat than me in 2000 in the 242s I we
  • 00:36:07
    233 now I'm not I'm just saying but
  • 00:36:10
    that's how I recovered it and it all
  • 00:36:12
    started back years ago you know um with
  • 00:36:16
    um Matt gimmel Matt rup your B tell Tor
  • 00:36:19
    quadricep T off Matt had a world record
  • 00:36:22
    110 we got him back to 905 about 90%
  • 00:36:26
    well I actually went 10% over I went
  • 00:36:29
    back 10% you know what I'm saying and um
  • 00:36:33
    Andy Bale used to be a professional
  • 00:36:34
    wrestler out there on the East Coast
  • 00:36:36
    Andy had a 900lb squat complete rupture
  • 00:36:39
    patella the sech just tell him he's done
  • 00:36:41
    he can't do nothing he calls me on the
  • 00:36:42
    phone I know Andy you know and he he
  • 00:36:44
    goes what do I do I told him what to do
  • 00:36:46
    and he had a 900 lb squat in one year
  • 00:36:50
    after surgery any contest he squatted
  • 00:36:53
    1,000 lbs now can your therapist get you
  • 00:36:56
    to that that's a good qu ask yourself
  • 00:36:58
    that no you have to get yourself to that
  • 00:37:00
    the greatest accomplishment I've ever
  • 00:37:02
    done his name is Jim hoskinson I never
  • 00:37:04
    met the man calls me on the phone he's
  • 00:37:06
    all depressed in a wheelchair and I
  • 00:37:08
    basically said don't be don't be a
  • 00:37:09
    freaking puss get I said can you get out
  • 00:37:11
    of that wheelchair he says yeah I said
  • 00:37:13
    we you got a wheelchair you can pull a
  • 00:37:14
    sled I said get the hell out of the
  • 00:37:16
    wheelchair I'm all over this guy you
  • 00:37:17
    know cuz he's all depressed he about
  • 00:37:19
    ready to cry on the phone and he gets
  • 00:37:21
    out till he pulls a sled for 6 months
  • 00:37:23
    straight in sand down in Florida that's
  • 00:37:24
    where he's at he had a 744 squat
  • 00:37:28
    this guy came back well in nine months
  • 00:37:30
    he came to my gym and then I saw him
  • 00:37:32
    International Greco wrestler 300 lb I go
  • 00:37:35
    I'm dead and uh he's a great guy you
  • 00:37:38
    know but he in my gym in nine months he
  • 00:37:41
    Squad 890 he went on to squat 11
  • 00:37:45
    11:07 after
  • 00:37:47
    7:44 so no one's done right here's what
  • 00:37:50
    gets done your it's all hen and hell is
  • 00:37:53
    right in your mind he went back and he
  • 00:37:55
    did a lot of forward and backward sled
  • 00:37:56
    dragging where I most it hurt my knee
  • 00:37:58
    for some Reas to go backwards and uh I I
  • 00:38:01
    mostly did all fourward sled draging but
  • 00:38:03
    that that's what recovered me um I give
  • 00:38:05
    you a couple things we did and and um in
  • 00:38:08
    8 weeks I had full extension I had 125
  • 00:38:11
    degrees knee I never went back and just
  • 00:38:13
    test me on side backs and never went
  • 00:38:14
    back and how did I get it I rode an
  • 00:38:16
    exercise bike backwards and I kept
  • 00:38:19
    dropping the seat to big bigger
  • 00:38:20
    rotations and so it would bend my knee
  • 00:38:22
    more and more and more now i' break the
  • 00:38:24
    scar tissue and make me a little sick
  • 00:38:25
    for four or five minutes and I just jump
  • 00:38:27
    right back and do it again and that's
  • 00:38:29
    how I that's how I brought my knee got
  • 00:38:31
    my range of motion back which you have
  • 00:38:32
    to do and also box squats um you know
  • 00:38:35
    there's a lot of athletes as those Tom
  • 00:38:37
    can tell you that uh have knee injuries
  • 00:38:40
    they can B squat but they can't full
  • 00:38:41
    squat you said way back on the box where
  • 00:38:43
    you're Shin if this is your foot and
  • 00:38:45
    this is your back your butt your Shin's
  • 00:38:47
    like this there's no preal patella at
  • 00:38:48
    all you have the leg curl to get out of
  • 00:38:50
    there so builds the hamstrings which is
  • 00:38:52
    essential for knee rehab and um and and
  • 00:38:55
    so that's how he did it but it's in um
  • 00:38:58
    you see in six less than six months I
  • 00:39:00
    Squad a 500 parallel box and it hurt my
  • 00:39:02
    hip a little bit vocol made me go up
  • 00:39:04
    past that 5 and a quter now I want to do
  • 00:39:06
    550 I come back and I did that VC takes
  • 00:39:09
    575 hurt myself again and but he drove
  • 00:39:12
    me right back I took it to the edge just
  • 00:39:14
    like John John Black did and I just kept
  • 00:39:16
    pushing and pushing and pushing and when
  • 00:39:18
    I went back and you know at um you know
  • 00:39:20
    50 years old was Squad a 920 lb yeah and
  • 00:39:23
    I think that's really good advice that
  • 00:39:24
    training and and and coming back from
  • 00:39:27
    injury is no different you know you have
  • 00:39:29
    the capacity of the tissues and you're
  • 00:39:31
    always trying to go right below or just
  • 00:39:34
    right under what your capacity is and
  • 00:39:36
    then what happens is you progressively
  • 00:39:38
    start to increase the capacity of the
  • 00:39:39
    tissue I mean it's not rock it's the
  • 00:39:42
    same it's one and the same thing one is
  • 00:39:44
    you have I guess no injuries and the
  • 00:39:46
    other one you have injuries but you're
  • 00:39:47
    treating the tissue in the same manner
  • 00:39:49
    you're trying to create adaptations
  • 00:39:51
    increased capacity of the tissue so you
  • 00:39:53
    have to keep stressors in there yeah
  • 00:39:54
    what I did because um two things once I
  • 00:39:57
    was able I pushed a were Barrel a were
  • 00:40:00
    Barrel is like a wheel with crutches you
  • 00:40:02
    know if if you uh if you gets start set
  • 00:40:04
    the damn thing down you got two handles
  • 00:40:06
    and a wheel and also like what I did was
  • 00:40:09
    I hope this makes sense I would maybe
  • 00:40:11
    recover let's say I was doing um you
  • 00:40:14
    know 75% on my good leg 25 on my bad but
  • 00:40:17
    then is and I would take long methodical
  • 00:40:19
    steps where I got one leg off the ground
  • 00:40:21
    at one time and then it went you know
  • 00:40:23
    7030 65 35 till I got it down 50/50 and
  • 00:40:27
    that that willbur was tremendous my
  • 00:40:28
    friend Jesse Kellum down in New Orleans
  • 00:40:31
    trained a lot of saints and that's he
  • 00:40:33
    told me to try that and I did it and
  • 00:40:34
    also a sled Dragon the two best things I
  • 00:40:36
    ever did now as time went on and I got
  • 00:40:39
    the sled draggon by accident from the
  • 00:40:41
    fence who pulled wood out of a u a lot
  • 00:40:44
    of lumberjacks H world record
  • 00:40:45
    deadlifters I had the world record in
  • 00:40:47
    the deadlift so my friend escal Thomason
  • 00:40:49
    a swed who moved here and stayed 10
  • 00:40:51
    years with this he went back when he
  • 00:40:52
    went back he went to Finland and asked
  • 00:40:54
    why they why they were they don't know
  • 00:40:56
    they were lumberjack they told him how
  • 00:40:58
    they pulled the wood so I really
  • 00:40:59
    stretched the sled dragging and actually
  • 00:41:02
    in my opinion and Chuck vul said the
  • 00:41:04
    same that sled pulling sleds made him
  • 00:41:08
    and I stronger than
  • 00:41:10
    weights I pulled 775 dead of straps and
  • 00:41:12
    all I was doing was pulling heavy sleds
  • 00:41:15
    so and to me it it was incredible and
  • 00:41:18
    and heavy War barrels you know heavy War
  • 00:41:19
    barrels nowadays um I know more and also
  • 00:41:22
    what I did uh I'm going to let John
  • 00:41:25
    explain this more but your cab support
  • 00:41:27
    knee on the bottom your hamstrings
  • 00:41:29
    supported on top so forget about the
  • 00:41:32
    thigh extensions cuz John you can't do a
  • 00:41:34
    thigh extension standing up am I correct
  • 00:41:36
    no yeah it's impossible so you want to
  • 00:41:38
    do the hamstrings and the and the and
  • 00:41:40
    the calves and what I found was a lot of
  • 00:41:42
    CED calf was actually more because I was
  • 00:41:44
    standing up walking all the time did a
  • 00:41:46
    lot of C Cales and I did a lot of glued
  • 00:41:48
    ham raises and band leg curls and also
  • 00:41:51
    anchor weight leg curls I've wrote about
  • 00:41:53
    several times about a world champion
  • 00:41:54
    high jump female and she do 200 leg CS
  • 00:41:57
    every day with 10B ankle weights got a
  • 00:41:59
    coach that wanted to stop doing it she
  • 00:42:01
    did she got hurt she went back and never
  • 00:42:03
    quit doing them never had an injury so
  • 00:42:05
    you got it's a hamstrings and the calves
  • 00:42:07
    that's that's what it is and uh so you
  • 00:42:10
    know a lot of glued hams a lot of band
  • 00:42:12
    leg curls leg curl just flying down um
  • 00:42:16
    what you call when you beled down we
  • 00:42:18
    have a standup leg curl machine so um
  • 00:42:22
    you you name it and also one thing that
  • 00:42:24
    really worked a soft tissue for me was I
  • 00:42:26
    would walk I didn't have sand and like
  • 00:42:29
    my friend Jim walked in sand in Florida
  • 00:42:31
    but I got a Pham pad and I walked in
  • 00:42:33
    that Pham pad and with no shoes on and
  • 00:42:37
    that really seemed to help the mobility
  • 00:42:39
    or strengthen ligament tendance of my
  • 00:42:41
    knee so we did a lot of stuff out I mean
  • 00:42:43
    here at West Side like a Tom you saw a
  • 00:42:45
    guy this morning squatted grand out of
  • 00:42:47
    sitting in phone you know in the pair of
  • 00:42:48
    breeze so we do a lot of foone squats
  • 00:42:51
    and stand in it and sit on it and it
  • 00:42:53
    really seems to build as strong as they
  • 00:42:55
    are it actually works their stabilizers
  • 00:42:57
    even more yeah so um I'll let you
  • 00:43:00
    explain a little bit you
  • 00:43:02
    know about why you have to work the
  • 00:43:05
    hamstrings in the and the Cavs for knee
  • 00:43:07
    rehab yeah or or prehab which I like to
  • 00:43:10
    do yeah so I mean a lot of like the
  • 00:43:12
    non-c contact ACL injuries that that we
  • 00:43:14
    see in you know like the NFL and some of
  • 00:43:16
    these other sports uh it's basically
  • 00:43:19
    they have too much flexibility and not
  • 00:43:20
    enough mobility and so if you look the
  • 00:43:23
    hamstrings uh basically they they start
  • 00:43:25
    on your sit bone uh uh and then they go
  • 00:43:28
    to either side of the tibia in the
  • 00:43:30
    fibula which is uh the calf or the shin
  • 00:43:34
    bone and then you have the Gast roxs uh
  • 00:43:37
    which come up and then they attach to
  • 00:43:39
    the back side of the femur and uh this
  • 00:43:42
    musculature really helps protect the
  • 00:43:44
    knee from going anteriorly forward so it
  • 00:43:47
    basically helps eccentrically break the
  • 00:43:50
    knee right because uh a muscle produces
  • 00:43:54
    uh concentric Force but also Ecentric
  • 00:43:56
    Force it's very important that the
  • 00:43:58
    hamstrings can function eccentrically to
  • 00:44:00
    slow that athlete down so that's one of
  • 00:44:03
    the reasons why I do a lot of the um the
  • 00:44:05
    inverse leg curl but I overload The
  • 00:44:08
    Eccentric phase meaning I'm literally
  • 00:44:11
    preventing motion from occurring in the
  • 00:44:13
    Ecentric phase and then someone actually
  • 00:44:15
    lifts me up in the concentric phase so
  • 00:44:18
    that I don't I don't fatigue the
  • 00:44:19
    hamstrings concentrically and then I
  • 00:44:21
    lower again eccentrically and so it
  • 00:44:23
    really builds the the gastr and the and
  • 00:44:25
    the hamstrings up in a functional
  • 00:44:27
    setting two two things Bob peoples Tom
  • 00:44:30
    you've seen Bob people's book he did a
  • 00:44:32
    lot of um um you know heavy eccentrics
  • 00:44:34
    and he had a his tractor had a PTO on it
  • 00:44:37
    power takeoff and would pick the waist
  • 00:44:38
    back up and he'd do another rip a slow
  • 00:44:40
    lowering and you know a lot of injuries
  • 00:44:42
    occur in ball uh from the deceleration
  • 00:44:45
    phase and I've seen all kind of coaches
  • 00:44:47
    work on this deceleration but they do
  • 00:44:48
    anything to strengthen it yeah and see
  • 00:44:50
    that's the thing is you got to Fig
  • 00:44:51
    figure a muscle an organ and it produces
  • 00:44:53
    Force but it also has to break it break
  • 00:44:56
    force from occurring so you have to
  • 00:44:57
    train all aspects of it you know I mean
  • 00:44:59
    and a lot of a lot of times people that
  • 00:45:01
    don't actually lift weights or they lift
  • 00:45:03
    them and they don't really pay attention
  • 00:45:05
    during the Ecentric phase they're going
  • 00:45:06
    to start to just like you know if you
  • 00:45:08
    only did bench press but no back
  • 00:45:10
    training you're going to start to create
  • 00:45:11
    some sort of imbalances and that's
  • 00:45:14
    that's when you start to see the issues
  • 00:45:15
    is is when you're too concentrically
  • 00:45:17
    strong so you can produce all this Force
  • 00:45:19
    but you can't break it so it's like
  • 00:45:21
    having a race car with you know the
  • 00:45:23
    brakes of a Honda Civic exactly right
  • 00:45:25
    you know yeah and you know uh you see so
  • 00:45:27
    many athletes non- contct injuries
  • 00:45:29
    that's pathetic I'm sorry guys that's
  • 00:45:31
    pathetic yeah you got to build them up
  • 00:45:34
    non-c contact you explain that to your
  • 00:45:36
    coach your star running back hurt
  • 00:45:37
    himself on the field by himself with no
  • 00:45:39
    contact explain that to the head coach
  • 00:45:42
    if you still got a job yeah don't be
  • 00:45:44
    afraid to make him strong like why said
  • 00:45:47
    he can explain scientifically and you're
  • 00:45:49
    talking about a gentleman who got an
  • 00:45:51
    article about it and but if you put 11
  • 00:45:53
    weak kids on the field and 11 strong
  • 00:45:55
    kids on the field and they play 11 week
  • 00:45:57
    kids are going to get hurt on that field
  • 00:45:59
    right straight up that's what it's going
  • 00:46:00
    to happen that's what separates men and
  • 00:46:03
    women athletes strength yeah I think a
  • 00:46:05
    lot of people assume that the B the body
  • 00:46:08
    is very fragile and uh you know it it is
  • 00:46:12
    fragile to an aspect of it but that's
  • 00:46:14
    what training does is it makes it
  • 00:46:15
    stronger right and so if you if if
  • 00:46:18
    you're not training you're becoming more
  • 00:46:20
    fragile if you're training you're
  • 00:46:22
    becoming more anti fragile right and so
  • 00:46:25
    that's the reason why when you get
  • 00:46:26
    injured you shouldn't be saying I need
  • 00:46:28
    to rest this you should be saying okay
  • 00:46:30
    how do I test the capacity of these
  • 00:46:32
    tissues and find their threshold and
  • 00:46:34
    then how do I start to progressively
  • 00:46:36
    overload it in a safe setting where I
  • 00:46:38
    can increase the capacity of these
  • 00:46:39
    tissues because the only reason why you
  • 00:46:41
    have an injury is because you didn't
  • 00:46:43
    have the prerequisites required to do
  • 00:46:45
    what you were trying to do meaning you
  • 00:46:48
    your physical capacity wasn't a good
  • 00:46:50
    match for the demands thus the demands
  • 00:46:52
    won so if you're going to go right back
  • 00:46:54
    into doing the same demands you better
  • 00:46:55
    increase the capacity
  • 00:46:57
    does that make sense and you have to do
  • 00:46:59
    it by putting yourself into those
  • 00:47:01
    positions and training them again that's
  • 00:47:03
    the reason why you you can't say that X
  • 00:47:05
    range is dangerous X exercise is
  • 00:47:07
    dangerous it's not D it's only dangerous
  • 00:47:10
    if if you are if you're a bad match for
  • 00:47:12
    the demands and the way that I look at
  • 00:47:14
    it is you shouldn't say like for
  • 00:47:16
    instance if somebody comes to me and
  • 00:47:17
    they go okay I have bad shoulders and
  • 00:47:18
    the reason why I have bad shoulders is
  • 00:47:20
    because of the bench press no the reason
  • 00:47:22
    why is you didn't your shoulders didn't
  • 00:47:23
    have the capacity to do what the bench
  • 00:47:25
    breads the banded and you just avoided
  • 00:47:27
    it right right and So eventually it's
  • 00:47:29
    going to wear down your shoulders does
  • 00:47:31
    that make sense it makes perfect sense
  • 00:47:33
    uh you know and again you got to do high
  • 00:47:35
    reputation training Tom you need
  • 00:47:37
    enormous amounts of Weights we live but
  • 00:47:39
    we do thousands and thousands you
  • 00:47:42
    brought this up why don't we have soft
  • 00:47:43
    tissue injuries here because we do
  • 00:47:45
    thousands of repetitions with very light
  • 00:47:47
    weights for the ligaments and tendons
  • 00:47:48
    soft the connected tissue you know if
  • 00:47:50
    you look at deformation um uh you were
  • 00:47:53
    saying it a moment ago about you know if
  • 00:47:55
    you look at deformation if you look at
  • 00:47:57
    hooks law of elasticity it all works
  • 00:47:59
    together it when a ball if I took a
  • 00:48:01
    brittle ball this ball was brittle and I
  • 00:48:03
    threw it down and it flexed it would
  • 00:48:05
    break but if this is a basketball I
  • 00:48:07
    throw it down it would have deformation
  • 00:48:09
    would flatten out the bottom and that
  • 00:48:10
    that portion of flattening would Propel
  • 00:48:13
    the ball upward and your body works the
  • 00:48:15
    very same way in the feet and so that's
  • 00:48:18
    why you got to do exercises thicken
  • 00:48:19
    ligaments and tendons no one ever
  • 00:48:21
    thought about boxers would jump rope for
  • 00:48:23
    two RS of conditioning and timing but no
  • 00:48:25
    one ever thought about ligament and TS
  • 00:48:27
    that's why they got fast feet that's one
  • 00:48:29
    of the reason they got fast feet it it's
  • 00:48:31
    a it's a a side effect of jumping rope
  • 00:48:35
    it actually made fast feet by jumping
  • 00:48:37
    rope contac and getting off the ground
  • 00:48:40
    exactly so but it's um remember if you
  • 00:48:42
    got brutal ligaments attendants that's
  • 00:48:44
    when you're an old man you're going to
  • 00:48:45
    get hurt you you have to full range of
  • 00:48:47
    motion [Β __Β ] no exercise is dangerous
  • 00:48:50
    everybody does the damn things so it
  • 00:48:52
    it's you as are dangerous if you're not
  • 00:48:54
    prepared to do it you're going to you're
  • 00:48:56
    going to prepared to get hurt people
  • 00:48:58
    have when people come to me for
  • 00:48:59
    treatment and they have an issue doing a
  • 00:49:01
    certain exercise it's interesting they
  • 00:49:03
    always seem to blame the exercise yeah
  • 00:49:06
    yeah and in that mode of thinking
  • 00:49:08
    anytime I someone comes to me and they
  • 00:49:10
    got an issue I say okay here's the
  • 00:49:11
    individual's demands and you can't meet
  • 00:49:14
    the demands I don't look at the demands
  • 00:49:16
    being the issue I look at you being the
  • 00:49:18
    issue you don't have the capacity to to
  • 00:49:21
    do the demands in a good so why don't we
  • 00:49:24
    increase performance right and that's
  • 00:49:26
    where it has to go back it's the same
  • 00:49:28
    thing you tear your bicep what does that
  • 00:49:29
    tell you that tissue wasn't biologically
  • 00:49:31
    strong enough so what do you do you
  • 00:49:33
    start to train it I mean it's it's very
  • 00:49:36
    common sense uh way of doing it and
  • 00:49:39
    that's where it's like uh the quote that
  • 00:49:41
    you said earlier of the surgeon from
  • 00:49:42
    Cleveland that said that that it's very
  • 00:49:45
    true therapy uh should be no different
  • 00:49:48
    than training and it's one in the same
  • 00:49:51
    yeah you know if you look at exercise
  • 00:49:52
    you hear about uh so many coaches do p c
  • 00:49:55
    for explosive power this is ridiculous
  • 00:49:56
    guys just how you're using 30 to 40%
  • 00:49:59
    there's no exercise there's no explosive
  • 00:50:02
    exercise you know I mean with barbells
  • 00:50:04
    it's the per it's how what the velocity
  • 00:50:06
    obtained is while you're doing it all
  • 00:50:08
    right and also there's no dangerous
  • 00:50:10
    exercises why do my guys dead of 900 lbs
  • 00:50:12
    they don't even get sore backs there's
  • 00:50:14
    no if you know how to do something
  • 00:50:16
    driving a car can be dangerous if you
  • 00:50:18
    don't know
  • 00:50:19
    how so you just got to know Howell and
  • 00:50:22
    um Tom you got more questions on uh
  • 00:50:26
    where we at my knee right we're on to uh
  • 00:50:28
    yeah from 91 we we got are we yeah I
  • 00:50:31
    fully recovered I want to bring up
  • 00:50:33
    another point now I know this is Extreme
  • 00:50:35
    but I'm kind of an extreme person um I
  • 00:50:37
    tore miniscus I did it three times H my
  • 00:50:39
    miniscus and so I I let it and I let it
  • 00:50:42
    it got okay and I trained I heard again
  • 00:50:45
    and I got okay and I trained and uh
  • 00:50:47
    right before I was going to the World
  • 00:50:48
    Cup uh over in IPA I heard it again and
  • 00:50:52
    I got mad said hell I'll just get
  • 00:50:53
    operate on it's worst thing I ever done
  • 00:50:56
    all right all right time it got into
  • 00:50:58
    surgery like a month later it was okay
  • 00:51:00
    again but uh I went in and was opera on
  • 00:51:04
    Tuesday morning come out come out of
  • 00:51:06
    recovery put the crutches on my
  • 00:51:08
    shoulders walked out of the hospital
  • 00:51:09
    went and had breakfast that Friday I
  • 00:51:10
    squatted now if you want to ask Chuck
  • 00:51:12
    vle and Dave Tate who was right there
  • 00:51:13
    with me I did a normal squat workout you
  • 00:51:16
    get guys of the operation I'm not going
  • 00:51:18
    to mention a few basketball players they
  • 00:51:19
    don't play for six months this
  • 00:51:21
    ridiculous to Masashi said to do nothing
  • 00:51:23
    about it was worthless and that's my
  • 00:51:25
    feeling I mean
  • 00:51:27
    what the hell they just took something
  • 00:51:28
    out it's not like they sold something
  • 00:51:30
    together so I had a little bit of blood
  • 00:51:31
    sees and that was it but I just went
  • 00:51:33
    right on and S right up to where I was
  • 00:51:36
    yeah and it's interesting too uh there's
  • 00:51:38
    actually been some studies done on
  • 00:51:40
    actually the specifics of the meniscus
  • 00:51:42
    surgery and it and it's interesting they
  • 00:51:44
    they've had people who actually have the
  • 00:51:46
    surgery and people that not have the
  • 00:51:48
    surgery and what they did was TR they
  • 00:51:50
    basically train they were in some sort
  • 00:51:51
    of therapeutic s Training Center where
  • 00:51:53
    they were loading tissues and they did
  • 00:51:56
    the they the results and the results
  • 00:51:58
    that have come back as I haven't this
  • 00:52:00
    was maybe like last year is the people
  • 00:52:02
    that opted to not have the surgery
  • 00:52:05
    actually did better or you know when
  • 00:52:07
    they do the questionnaires on top of it
  • 00:52:09
    so it's not just a range of motion
  • 00:52:11
    standpoint but it's also the
  • 00:52:13
    questionnaire I Wish I Never Had to
  • 00:52:15
    operate them I have no lateral I don't
  • 00:52:17
    know how Fighters
  • 00:52:18
    do I I can't move Lally you know what I
  • 00:52:21
    mean yeah never could really anyhow but
  • 00:52:23
    I definitely can't do got old yeah
  • 00:52:29
    Tom where are we at we are from 91 um on
  • 00:52:32
    the knee the inverse curl is that would
  • 00:52:37
    that be a good uh tool to have to rehab
  • 00:52:39
    your knee inverse curl is one of the
  • 00:52:41
    greatest devices I I think it's the
  • 00:52:43
    greatest hamstring machine I've ever SE
  • 00:52:45
    it makes glut hams obsolete if anyone
  • 00:52:47
    knows what a Russian leg curl is where I
  • 00:52:49
    would hold your ankles down on the
  • 00:52:50
    ground and you can curl down touch your
  • 00:52:52
    chest not fall and curl back up you're
  • 00:52:55
    one St dude we we had people do um I've
  • 00:52:58
    got a girl who does uh three sets of 10
  • 00:53:00
    all right we had a 340 lb person tell me
  • 00:53:03
    that you won or lost money on that did 9
  • 00:53:06
    and a half reps 340 he had a 900 dead we
  • 00:53:10
    also had a kid that was 320 lb did six
  • 00:53:13
    and I'm sure you know that was Jake
  • 00:53:15
    Anderson 875 deadlift he would have he
  • 00:53:17
    would have broke that if he' kept going
  • 00:53:20
    um but that's how you can go to Step One
  • 00:53:22
    never being able to do it to step 10
  • 00:53:24
    being able to do 10 reps and we and I've
  • 00:53:27
    got guys that do them hold on to a 35lb
  • 00:53:29
    plate that's why U you know um son and
  • 00:53:33
    Joe went from a 525 deadlift and
  • 00:53:35
    slightly less years to 725 deadlift at
  • 00:53:38
    193 hamstrings is essential John we're
  • 00:53:41
    talking about the inverse C and if you
  • 00:53:42
    would please explain again about the
  • 00:53:44
    knees why the inverse curl is so
  • 00:53:46
    beneficial for to keeping knees healthy
  • 00:53:49
    yeah one of the things I really like
  • 00:53:50
    about the inverse curl in in comparison
  • 00:53:53
    to maybe like a seated or lying
  • 00:53:55
    hamstring curl is a seated lstring curl
  • 00:53:58
    the only thing that you're moving
  • 00:53:59
    through time and space is your tibia
  • 00:54:02
    with the inverse leg curl you got to
  • 00:54:03
    move your torso and in athletics you're
  • 00:54:05
    moving your torso or your whole body
  • 00:54:07
    through that range uh the reason why
  • 00:54:10
    it's so good is the same thing we said
  • 00:54:12
    about the Gast rocks and the hamstrings
  • 00:54:14
    how they protect the knee how you can
  • 00:54:16
    overload the the interesting part is
  • 00:54:17
    like think about trying to overload The
  • 00:54:19
    Eccentric phase on a hamstring curl it's
  • 00:54:21
    kind of hard to do cuz someone have to
  • 00:54:22
    physically lift it up then that person
  • 00:54:25
    right because if you're trying to
  • 00:54:26
    overload you know an Ecentric or
  • 00:54:28
    concentric like you said uh remember
  • 00:54:30
    like the the individuals that were in
  • 00:54:31
    weightlifting or or track and field what
  • 00:54:34
    they would do is they pull
  • 00:54:34
    concentrically but they would drop the
  • 00:54:36
    Ecentric right because they didn't want
  • 00:54:37
    to they didn't want to get the uh
  • 00:54:39
    training adaptations from the Ecentric
  • 00:54:41
    well when you're you when you want the
  • 00:54:43
    training adaptations on the Ecentric
  • 00:54:44
    phase you want to overload it as much as
  • 00:54:46
    possible right so the inverse leg curl
  • 00:54:49
    enables me to do that and from a
  • 00:54:51
    bodybuilding perspective Ecentric phase
  • 00:54:53
    is very important and so what I like to
  • 00:54:55
    do is I like to to train my hamstrings
  • 00:54:57
    to concentric failure then as soon as
  • 00:54:59
    they're concentrically failed now the
  • 00:55:01
    work begins because now I'm working on
  • 00:55:02
    Ecentric and I'm trying to think about
  • 00:55:04
    it your hamstrings just have to be
  • 00:55:06
    strong enough to prevent you from from
  • 00:55:08
    going down and there's a really big
  • 00:55:10
    issue if you can't eccentrically control
  • 00:55:12
    your torso from going down so it's could
  • 00:55:14
    almost just be an assessment for actual
  • 00:55:16
    athletes to say hey is this person at
  • 00:55:19
    risk for a knee injury if they can't
  • 00:55:21
    eccentrically control their body on the
  • 00:55:22
    Ecentric phase I mean it it'd be
  • 00:55:25
    interesting to do a study to to see knee
  • 00:55:27
    issues with people that have that can't
  • 00:55:29
    eccentrically control themselves in that
  • 00:55:31
    setting and then see how they do in
  • 00:55:33
    whatever athletic in Denver that they're
  • 00:55:34
    in you know a lot of people Overlook the
  • 00:55:36
    point that you just brought that up
  • 00:55:38
    that's an assessment and that's what
  • 00:55:40
    that's why reverse hyper is an
  • 00:55:41
    assessment your lower back in verse girl
  • 00:55:43
    the hamstrings the belt squats the hips
  • 00:55:45
    everything we do is an assessment here
  • 00:55:47
    yeah and one of the things that I do in
  • 00:55:50
    the guys that that I train with because
  • 00:55:51
    we do the reverse hyper multiple times a
  • 00:55:53
    week same thing that that that all the
  • 00:55:55
    lifters here do and it's interesting
  • 00:55:57
    I'll get a guy in there that has back
  • 00:55:59
    pain right they're like man I have low
  • 00:56:00
    back pain I always get low back pain
  • 00:56:01
    when I when I squat you know so I can't
  • 00:56:03
    squat right or the squats bad for me
  • 00:56:06
    same thing it's like no your spine
  • 00:56:07
    doesn't have the capacity to do what is
  • 00:56:09
    required of the squat so the first thing
  • 00:56:11
    you want to do is you want to get them
  • 00:56:12
    in the reverse hyper get their spine
  • 00:56:13
    functioning again and when you talk
  • 00:56:15
    about an assessment if you get into a
  • 00:56:17
    reverse hyper and let's say that there's
  • 00:56:18
    maybe 50 pounds on there so relatively
  • 00:56:20
    lightweight and you start to get
  • 00:56:22
    impingements okay this is a clear clear
  • 00:56:25
    indicator that your spinal joints don't
  • 00:56:27
    function right so now the first thing
  • 00:56:30
    that you should do if you're a coach or
  • 00:56:32
    if you're a therapist because this is
  • 00:56:34
    one of the things that I use for people
  • 00:56:35
    that have acute situations uh or that
  • 00:56:38
    have an acute injury and now we're in
  • 00:56:40
    the actual um we're in the
  • 00:56:43
    rehabilitation uh process as I say do
  • 00:56:45
    you feel any pinch points no no pinch
  • 00:56:47
    points and you're really trying to
  • 00:56:48
    acquire a range of motion in that
  • 00:56:49
    setting where there's traction so it's
  • 00:56:51
    not the camel cow situation because in
  • 00:56:53
    the camel cow there's no traction and
  • 00:56:55
    then also there's no weight so what I'll
  • 00:56:57
    start to do is I use ankle weights to
  • 00:56:58
    start to load that extremity which
  • 00:57:00
    increases traction but also increases Us
  • 00:57:03
    loading those tissues right so think
  • 00:57:05
    about it as an assessment for uh for to
  • 00:57:08
    see if you have a functioning spine go
  • 00:57:09
    into the reverse hyper and see if you
  • 00:57:11
    can do it if you get joint pain in the
  • 00:57:12
    reverse hyper guess what your spine
  • 00:57:14
    isn't functioning how it should and you
  • 00:57:16
    probably shouldn't load the spine
  • 00:57:18
    because you got a dysfunctional joint
  • 00:57:20
    but what other exercise or what other
  • 00:57:22
    setting can you put an individual in
  • 00:57:24
    safely and get that assessment yeah n to
  • 00:57:26
    I know does that make sense so that's
  • 00:57:28
    one of the reasons why I use it is one
  • 00:57:30
    because it feels good you know what I
  • 00:57:32
    mean from from that standpoint of of
  • 00:57:35
    basically starting to get functionality
  • 00:57:36
    back into the spine but if I have a
  • 00:57:38
    pinch point right or if I have any type
  • 00:57:41
    I know I'm not I'm not going to just go
  • 00:57:42
    and then left because I'm going to do
  • 00:57:44
    damages to my disc to my joint all that
  • 00:57:46
    other stuff yeah well you know you
  • 00:57:48
    brought up a point of ankle wage too
  • 00:57:49
    because I tell people all the time just
  • 00:57:50
    wear ankle weights around Bally in bench
  • 00:57:52
    press workouts it's traction and you're
  • 00:57:54
    not even you don't even know they're on
  • 00:57:55
    there well yeah and then you had told me
  • 00:57:58
    before you had the pendulum that that's
  • 00:57:59
    what you did anyway right and when you
  • 00:58:01
    think about it the pendulum pulls you
  • 00:58:02
    under right which there's a lot of
  • 00:58:04
    benefit to that but there's a lot of
  • 00:58:06
    benefit to just coming straight down too
  • 00:58:08
    so you can technically do both at the
  • 00:58:10
    same time A lot of times I I I basically
  • 00:58:12
    do one or the other or use them in
  • 00:58:15
    combination with each other well years
  • 00:58:17
    ago when I pulled 710 at 195 I didn't
  • 00:58:20
    have reverse hyper I did them manually
  • 00:58:21
    up in a power R and at that time I did
  • 00:58:24
    10 with 200 around my ankles and I I set
  • 00:58:27
    of 10 and I got a set of eight with 200
  • 00:58:30
    yeah and I mean that's a pretty strong
  • 00:58:31
    lower back you know for about 195 lb
  • 00:58:33
    right so
  • 00:58:36
    yeah we we've talked a lot about the
  • 00:58:38
    hamstrings and how we train them on the
  • 00:58:40
    posterior what role do the quadriceps
  • 00:58:43
    training them play in your rehab if
  • 00:58:47
    any I I didn't do any you know I didn't
  • 00:58:51
    do anything to come back and you mean
  • 00:58:53
    you know to do the squats I did uh I
  • 00:58:55
    just didn't because it seemed like it
  • 00:58:57
    had sharing force on my knee yeah so
  • 00:59:00
    here's the interesting part too right
  • 00:59:02
    okay if you're not going to box squat
  • 00:59:05
    and you're not going to go full range of
  • 00:59:06
    motion squat you're shearing your knee
  • 00:59:09
    right but if you had the box now you're
  • 00:59:11
    not shearing your knee because there's
  • 00:59:13
    equal distribut in front to back of the
  • 00:59:15
    joint right for me I don't actually do a
  • 00:59:19
    lot of quad training and I actually have
  • 00:59:21
    pretty decent developed quads my
  • 00:59:22
    training partner has massive quads we do
  • 00:59:26
    maybe some single joint exercises at the
  • 00:59:28
    very end but if if if you're doing a
  • 00:59:31
    controlled uh squat repetition the
  • 00:59:34
    you're going to get your training in the
  • 00:59:36
    Ecentric phase not really concentrically
  • 00:59:38
    Ecentric I mean if you're doing your
  • 00:59:40
    squat you hear that weight lifters if
  • 00:59:42
    you're doing if you're doing your squat
  • 00:59:44
    wrong you're going to feel it in your
  • 00:59:45
    quads correct and that's why a lot of
  • 00:59:47
    people are like I feel and for me
  • 00:59:50
    there's a point where if you're doing a
  • 00:59:52
    full range of motion squat initially
  • 00:59:54
    your quads have to pull you up up to the
  • 00:59:56
    point where your hips are
  • 00:59:57
    biomechanically and then be able to
  • 00:59:59
    drive through but after that done after
  • 01:00:02
    after that phase the only time I ever
  • 01:00:05
    feel it in my my uh quads is on the
  • 01:00:07
    Ecentric phase when I'm doing full range
  • 01:00:09
    of motion squads there's there topping
  • 01:00:11
    muscles correct you know whenever we get
  • 01:00:13
    a guy oh I'm a quad squatter then I know
  • 01:00:15
    right away that he does not know how to
  • 01:00:17
    squat yeah because if you better be a
  • 01:00:19
    glut hamstring squat hips right yeah
  • 01:00:21
    because that's all the tissues on the
  • 01:00:22
    back side of the joint that's right you
  • 01:00:24
    know what I mean and that's the tissues
  • 01:00:25
    that's going to drive your hips forward
  • 01:00:26
    and end the repetition what holds a
  • 01:00:28
    house up the foundation so when you're
  • 01:00:30
    in the bottom of a squat it's the back
  • 01:00:31
    of your body holding a house up not the
  • 01:00:33
    top of your body right and see that's
  • 01:00:35
    the funny part too is that's where I use
  • 01:00:37
    the box squat for bodybuilders right
  • 01:00:39
    because a lot of them they leg press all
  • 01:00:41
    day leg press you're just moving your
  • 01:00:43
    feet right and so they they learn the
  • 01:00:45
    mechanics of a leg press and they try
  • 01:00:47
    and do those mechanics in the squat so
  • 01:00:50
    they're doing the same thing where they
  • 01:00:51
    just overload their quads so it's it's
  • 01:00:53
    horrible right but if you use the box
  • 01:00:56
    now you can actually sit back and
  • 01:00:57
    actually load the glutes and the
  • 01:00:59
    hamstrings now when you're sitting back
  • 01:01:01
    there if you use your quads to get out
  • 01:01:02
    of it it's going to look horrible
  • 01:01:03
    because your your hips are going to
  • 01:01:05
    shoot back it's you're basically leg
  • 01:01:07
    extension leg extending and then back
  • 01:01:10
    extending it up but I like to use the uh
  • 01:01:13
    the the Box because then it sets your
  • 01:01:15
    hips and then you're able to just drive
  • 01:01:17
    the hips through we're going expan box
  • 01:01:19
    quats in a coming up Podcast completely
  • 01:01:22
    why you have to do them yeah absolutely
  • 01:01:25
    um
  • 01:01:26
    well I think that covers as that cover
  • 01:01:28
    that time I just I just it just hurt my
  • 01:01:30
    knees I mean it made my knees worse i'
  • 01:01:32
    never done
  • 01:01:33
    yeah well that was 91 and I'm sure from
  • 01:01:36
    91 upwards you've encountered many more
  • 01:01:40
    injuries and developing the injury free
  • 01:01:42
    system we have today but in uh 2005 you
  • 01:01:46
    had a hemicap the soccer uh put into
  • 01:01:50
    your shoulder yes um from that can you
  • 01:01:53
    explain how quick you came back from
  • 01:01:55
    that Sur surgery and what what first
  • 01:01:58
    what caused your shoulder to give out
  • 01:01:59
    okay uh what caused my shoulder to give
  • 01:02:01
    out and I think I hope a lot of doctors
  • 01:02:03
    listen this I in my I broke my neck a 93
  • 01:02:06
    bench and drive my head in the bench so
  • 01:02:07
    I never drove my head in the bench
  • 01:02:08
    anymore I heard it snap and about four
  • 01:02:11
    or five weeks later all a sudden my like
  • 01:02:13
    I think my left shoulder start hurt real
  • 01:02:14
    bad it was stayed that way for four or
  • 01:02:16
    five months in one day it didn't hurt at
  • 01:02:18
    all for a couple of days and it went to
  • 01:02:20
    my right and it went back and forth from
  • 01:02:22
    93 to when I finally got this replaced
  • 01:02:25
    it froze up and you know late 2004 and
  • 01:02:27
    got the socket in 2005 but that's how I
  • 01:02:30
    came to get it in I believe it was a
  • 01:02:32
    vertebrae problem not a not a shoulder
  • 01:02:35
    problem it caused me frozen shoulder and
  • 01:02:38
    then I to get shoulder but what I done
  • 01:02:40
    was um uh dror Dr minan was working for
  • 01:02:43
    the Browns and I was going up there when
  • 01:02:44
    D the ear of of Davis when he was
  • 01:02:47
    coaching Miss um the Browns and I would
  • 01:02:50
    go up there so he has said he had this
  • 01:02:52
    new this um the sock that you're talking
  • 01:02:54
    about new experiment only one person
  • 01:02:55
    person some lady karate person so and
  • 01:02:58
    and so buddy Mor's Str coach good friend
  • 01:03:00
    of mine said this thing's right up your
  • 01:03:02
    alley he says he wants people to
  • 01:03:03
    experiment to literally see if you can
  • 01:03:05
    tear it out I'm I'm I'm ready to go and
  • 01:03:08
    uh I what I have to lose I mean couldn't
  • 01:03:10
    you I asked the Browns guys a trainer
  • 01:03:12
    hey I can't put my hands in my pocket
  • 01:03:14
    what would you said you wouldn't be here
  • 01:03:15
    you know you wouldn't be here so he
  • 01:03:18
    operates on it and okay this is what I
  • 01:03:21
    did remember this is what I did I'm not
  • 01:03:23
    telling you to do this but I talked to
  • 01:03:25
    another surgeon
  • 01:03:26
    and I got home and um my arm was all
  • 01:03:28
    SWAT up and the blood draining into it
  • 01:03:31
    and he said take lots of
  • 01:03:32
    anti-inflammatories so I was pushing
  • 01:03:34
    about 400 milligram of volaran day I I
  • 01:03:37
    was I've been on voltarian since 91 when
  • 01:03:39
    I got tra and all so I pushed up the a
  • 01:03:42
    massive amount of volaran in a few days
  • 01:03:44
    the sing rapidly came out then I used
  • 01:03:47
    heat he told me to use heat so I got in
  • 01:03:50
    hun to 7 days after surgery I I called
  • 01:03:54
    Paul ters but he said what should I do
  • 01:03:56
    he says get range of motion touch your
  • 01:03:57
    chest put a bar in back I said okay so I
  • 01:03:59
    took a broom stick and I I touched my
  • 01:04:02
    chest in seven days started bench in
  • 01:04:04
    that broomstick low my on my belly high
  • 01:04:06
    on my belly across my throat or whatever
  • 01:04:08
    and fighting it behind my head okay then
  • 01:04:11
    so I started attaching small weights on
  • 01:04:13
    that broom but wouldn't hold much so we
  • 01:04:15
    have a bandbell bar uh Tony Ramos
  • 01:04:17
    actually came up with Hing kettle bells
  • 01:04:19
    to a bar belt and then a friend of mine
  • 01:04:21
    Jimmy CER actually came up made a barn
  • 01:04:23
    it vibrates uh with the hooking K Bel
  • 01:04:25
    doell the mini bands to it so I started
  • 01:04:27
    using a bar like that and I did 50 reps
  • 01:04:31
    a set I would do between three and uh uh
  • 01:04:34
    three and four sets every day 150 to 200
  • 01:04:37
    reps start adding more and more weight
  • 01:04:39
    more more you know just little weights
  • 01:04:40
    at a time and in 3 months in a with a
  • 01:04:43
    regular bar I bench 300 all right now
  • 01:04:46
    normally in 3 months you you're still in
  • 01:04:48
    the cash they want you be on arcast so
  • 01:04:51
    that's the progress I made and I did it
  • 01:04:53
    by using the bandbell bar with all the
  • 01:04:55
    vibrations I'm not sure no one's ever
  • 01:04:57
    told me but I believe it puts Maxum
  • 01:04:59
    contractions in the soft tissue I think
  • 01:05:01
    that's why it works now I came back with
  • 01:05:04
    that to um uh I had a 405 raw bench with
  • 01:05:08
    the socket in and I could do 270 for
  • 01:05:11
    nine with that bar all right now I
  • 01:05:12
    watched Dave Hof you know strongest guy
  • 01:05:15
    he was doing 335 for 10 but I mean so as
  • 01:05:18
    stronger I got with the vibrating bar
  • 01:05:20
    the stronger I got with a regular bar
  • 01:05:22
    and at 63 I benched 505 and I did it 6
  • 01:05:26
    with that socket but that's basically
  • 01:05:28
    how I did it I started out with the band
  • 01:05:30
    bar all right and a lot of external
  • 01:05:33
    rotation just a band like this you know
  • 01:05:35
    pulled it apart started light work my
  • 01:05:37
    way up all right and that's I did that
  • 01:05:41
    and High Reps and I also use very light
  • 01:05:43
    dumbbells I I I had 10B dumbbells I
  • 01:05:46
    would do 50 I mean I have done 200 reps
  • 01:05:49
    with 25b dumbbells in one set and I I
  • 01:05:52
    mean I'm old I got nothing else to do
  • 01:05:53
    you know what I mean but I did that just
  • 01:05:55
    the to blow me up and and put the the
  • 01:05:57
    blood in the ligament the tendons and it
  • 01:05:59
    work and you know dumbbells you can turn
  • 01:06:01
    your arm if you look you see that well
  • 01:06:04
    where they cut me John can explain
  • 01:06:05
    that's the high as that arm goes so I
  • 01:06:08
    got I got a big discrepancy there so
  • 01:06:10
    that's why I use dumbest and um but that
  • 01:06:13
    bandar brought me back uh completely and
  • 01:06:15
    then three months when I bench the 300
  • 01:06:17
    also had this shoulder scoped and um you
  • 01:06:20
    know so anyhow all in all I totally
  • 01:06:22
    recovered from it I mean a four or five
  • 01:06:23
    bench with a fake shoulders is not bad
  • 01:06:24
    it's raw and uh but that's what I did a
  • 01:06:27
    lot of dumbbells a lot of band bars and
  • 01:06:30
    um a lot of High Reps so if you want to
  • 01:06:33
    mention anything about the band bar and
  • 01:06:34
    what you've done with it yeah I used the
  • 01:06:36
    band bar pretty regularly he just came
  • 01:06:38
    out with a newer bar I don't know if you
  • 01:06:39
    guys have messed around with it the
  • 01:06:41
    Rhino Bar where you actually load the
  • 01:06:42
    plates on there have you guys messed
  • 01:06:44
    yeah I I like it a little bit better
  • 01:06:46
    it's it's I can use more actual weight
  • 01:06:48
    on the bar but yeah I mean I love the
  • 01:06:50
    band I think what it what it does uh
  • 01:06:53
    from a perspective is I kind of use it
  • 01:06:56
    as an assessment so if someone's using a
  • 01:06:58
    a regular bench press bar and they get
  • 01:07:00
    pain right kind of how I look at it is
  • 01:07:03
    it's a discrepancy in the the large
  • 01:07:06
    muscles right so so like the pecs are
  • 01:07:10
    actually too strong for more of the
  • 01:07:12
    muscles that are guiding the force to
  • 01:07:14
    that joint does that make sense right so
  • 01:07:17
    what I have those individuals do is then
  • 01:07:19
    a lot of bandbell uh type work so they
  • 01:07:22
    can start to really uh emphasize the
  • 01:07:24
    smaller stabilizing muscles but at the
  • 01:07:26
    same time still train their Prime movers
  • 01:07:29
    does that make sense and it really helps
  • 01:07:30
    with like the uh joint integrity and how
  • 01:07:33
    the joint actually functions because you
  • 01:07:36
    know you can train you know internal
  • 01:07:37
    external rotation like this all day long
  • 01:07:40
    but that's not going to really that's
  • 01:07:41
    not very applicable to a bench press no
  • 01:07:43
    you know what I mean well you know uh we
  • 01:07:45
    have the biggest full meat bencher in
  • 01:07:47
    the world Dave Hall a, F and we have uh
  • 01:07:51
    uh Jason Coker holds two World Records
  • 01:07:54
    998 and 771 and 181 um those guys use
  • 01:07:58
    that bar all the time we a whole gym use
  • 01:08:01
    that bar all the time am I right Tom
  • 01:08:02
    that a lot of times I see Jason warm up
  • 01:08:04
    with the bar and or many times when
  • 01:08:06
    they're done they'll finish with the bar
  • 01:08:08
    yeah and I was talking to Jim about this
  • 01:08:10
    if you if you think about it like it's
  • 01:08:11
    kind of like that foam right you're
  • 01:08:13
    walking on the foam like when you think
  • 01:08:15
    about a regular barbell it really
  • 01:08:16
    doesn't adapt to you so all that Force
  • 01:08:18
    goes into the joints in this bar the bar
  • 01:08:21
    actually adapts right so so it's not as
  • 01:08:24
    hard on your joints does that make sense
  • 01:08:27
    well yes because someone has to explain
  • 01:08:29
    to me if you took a bench press and lost
  • 01:08:31
    it dump it you hurt yourself This Bar
  • 01:08:33
    you could go on your belly it could flop
  • 01:08:35
    across your neck and I've never seen a
  • 01:08:36
    guy get hurt now I'd like to get some
  • 01:08:38
    physiologist here to tell me why yeah
  • 01:08:40
    you know they need to come here and
  • 01:08:41
    learn that's how the Russians got so
  • 01:08:44
    strong they said scientists to their
  • 01:08:46
    weight programs and they and they side
  • 01:08:48
    by side that's where exercise and
  • 01:08:49
    science actually meet not in America
  • 01:08:52
    well and see that's it's got a fancy
  • 01:08:53
    name but it does there's no correlation
  • 01:08:55
    with doing exercise and science sorry
  • 01:08:57
    guys that's the funny part is generally
  • 01:08:59
    all the evidence-based stuff comes from
  • 01:09:01
    someone doing it before there was any
  • 01:09:03
    study oh yeah of course and then they
  • 01:09:04
    figure out that something works let's
  • 01:09:05
    study it and figure out why it works
  • 01:09:07
    there's people so all these people that
  • 01:09:09
    are like I'm only evidence-based well
  • 01:09:10
    guess what they didn't just randomly
  • 01:09:12
    pick that study for no apparent reason
  • 01:09:14
    it's because someone was actually
  • 01:09:15
    applying something and they said hey I'm
  • 01:09:17
    getting results let's research this and
  • 01:09:19
    figure out what it's doing yeah Tommy
  • 01:09:20
    how many search papers have you seen on
  • 01:09:22
    bands and chains and I've been doing
  • 01:09:24
    these things for freaking 20 years you
  • 01:09:26
    know but they're doing them now and they
  • 01:09:27
    think it's revolutionary that's what you
  • 01:09:29
    know man whatever they 25 years late but
  • 01:09:32
    better late than never yeah you know one
  • 01:09:34
    thing about the band bar too I would use
  • 01:09:36
    numerous grips I started real close
  • 01:09:38
    worked my way out every said I would use
  • 01:09:40
    a different grip and also I put the bar
  • 01:09:42
    down on my belly like a lot of shirt
  • 01:09:44
    benchers would and a lot of it call MERS
  • 01:09:46
    across my throat so I moved the bar up
  • 01:09:48
    and down in and out I hit every angle I
  • 01:09:51
    possibly could and it works real good on
  • 01:09:53
    inclines and declines as well it works
  • 01:09:55
    tremendous for tricep extensions upright
  • 01:09:58
    rows upright rows I could never do an
  • 01:09:59
    upright row but I could do upright row
  • 01:10:01
    with that bar I mean these are the
  • 01:10:02
    things I want to know why right regular
  • 01:10:05
    barbell would kill my shoulders that bar
  • 01:10:06
    I could do it I amazes me yeah it's uh
  • 01:10:10
    that bar has been a a life sa of Love
  • 01:10:11
    Are Fighters and Grapplers just uh for
  • 01:10:14
    joint integrity and um for keeping their
  • 01:10:17
    shoulders healthy and it's actually
  • 01:10:19
    helped them reduce tendonitis especially
  • 01:10:21
    from people when you miss a punch you
  • 01:10:23
    lock out that arm it's been I mean oh
  • 01:10:26
    it's been huge yeah how there's tons of
  • 01:10:28
    injuries for overextension in boxing and
  • 01:10:30
    uh another thing that I found to it help
  • 01:10:32
    uh build up the upper body endurance is
  • 01:10:35
    the Quasi isometrics we did with the the
  • 01:10:37
    bamb bell bar we do that for time from 1
  • 01:10:39
    minute to two minutes to three minutes
  • 01:10:41
    the bar yeah and um but you hold it for
  • 01:10:43
    different positions all the way through
  • 01:10:45
    it's I mean and thankfully touch wood
  • 01:10:48
    we've had very
  • 01:10:49
    little injuries yeah because you use
  • 01:10:52
    isometrics a lot in training with your
  • 01:10:53
    Fighters especially the spa
  • 01:10:55
    especially the ABS and all that other
  • 01:10:57
    stuff and that's the interesting part
  • 01:10:58
    that's the setting that I use it in from
  • 01:11:00
    a therapeutic way right because when you
  • 01:11:02
    think about an isometric and you start
  • 01:11:04
    to think of all the advantages of that
  • 01:11:05
    contraction right you got to figure you
  • 01:11:09
    know one there's no joint sharing
  • 01:11:10
    because there's no motion two there's no
  • 01:11:12
    tissue Glide so those are the two
  • 01:11:14
    mechanical properties that create
  • 01:11:15
    inflammation right and so you don't have
  • 01:11:18
    that then all the physiological
  • 01:11:20
    adaptations from actually doing the
  • 01:11:21
    contraction occurs 10 to 15 degrees
  • 01:11:24
    above and below that specific angle so
  • 01:11:26
    you're really able to start to acquire
  • 01:11:29
    these end ranges or these beginning
  • 01:11:31
    ranges that you never go into does that
  • 01:11:33
    make sense and that's generally where
  • 01:11:34
    the injuries occur so it's like it's
  • 01:11:36
    like it's like remember when we were
  • 01:11:37
    eating with Dan uh Dan from Melbourne
  • 01:11:39
    storm and he was talking about you know
  • 01:11:42
    training is figuring out how to distort
  • 01:11:44
    something so that you can distort it
  • 01:11:46
    then overload it well look at isometrics
  • 01:11:48
    that's exactly what it is right so you
  • 01:11:50
    can train your Fighters or you can train
  • 01:11:52
    the lifters in this safe setting and you
  • 01:11:54
    could start to overload and capture
  • 01:11:55
    something that they don't have we do
  • 01:11:57
    quite a few isometrics and also what
  • 01:11:59
    Tom's doing you know uh you can do I
  • 01:12:01
    mean he does it for 1 2 3 minutes 5
  • 01:12:03
    minutes uh why because you can breathe
  • 01:12:06
    same thing in a bell squat you can get
  • 01:12:07
    in a bell Squat and get in a skater pose
  • 01:12:09
    or any kind of pose and you can breathe
  • 01:12:11
    uh you know you can only hold your
  • 01:12:12
    breath so long I mean that's one uh
  • 01:12:14
    problem with isometrics if you pull
  • 01:12:16
    maximum hold your breath uh but I've saw
  • 01:12:19
    Studies by the old Soviets and they said
  • 01:12:21
    that exactly what Tom's doing by using
  • 01:12:23
    submaximal isometric t for a long period
  • 01:12:26
    of time is just as effective as pulling
  • 01:12:27
    maximally yeah and see that's the funny
  • 01:12:29
    part too is like one of the fighters
  • 01:12:31
    that was having backs spasms that we
  • 01:12:32
    were working with right the first thing
  • 01:12:34
    that we do is if you're having if you're
  • 01:12:36
    having that neurological issue you need
  • 01:12:37
    to go into that range and you need to
  • 01:12:39
    start getting good inputs in that range
  • 01:12:40
    not rest it yeah do you I mean because
  • 01:12:43
    the spasm or the neurological issu is
  • 01:12:45
    occurring because of some input so you
  • 01:12:47
    need to get another input in there to
  • 01:12:48
    start to show that hey no it's safe to
  • 01:12:51
    function there there's too much neural
  • 01:12:52
    drive going into the tissues and so it's
  • 01:12:54
    the same thing where Tom was able to put
  • 01:12:56
    these guys in the reverse hyper and
  • 01:12:57
    start to isometrically load them in the
  • 01:12:59
    reverse hyper at specific angles so
  • 01:13:02
    think about that if if you're worried
  • 01:13:03
    about the any sort of uh Mo uh Motion in
  • 01:13:07
    your spine on a reverse hyper you can go
  • 01:13:09
    there it's an open chain setting you can
  • 01:13:11
    apply manual Force into that range and
  • 01:13:14
    start to acquire those ranges very
  • 01:13:15
    safely what about when someone trying to
  • 01:13:17
    arm bar you and you're trying to hold it
  • 01:13:18
    out and you know you got to you got to
  • 01:13:20
    be able to be real strong in those weird
  • 01:13:22
    positions you know where my arm will
  • 01:13:24
    never even get or even risk control
  • 01:13:26
    isometrically you know you I got good
  • 01:13:28
    rist control on you you know it's a
  • 01:13:29
    fight to get bust that rist loosen well
  • 01:13:31
    do you notice the difference in
  • 01:13:33
    individuals who squat so a squat is an
  • 01:13:35
    isometric contraction in your spine you
  • 01:13:37
    want all the motion to come from your
  • 01:13:38
    hips yeah right so when you start to see
  • 01:13:40
    someone coming back and forth what does
  • 01:13:41
    that show you they don't have isometric
  • 01:13:43
    capacity in their spine right so what do
  • 01:13:45
    you do go to the reverse hyper
  • 01:13:47
    isometrically contract the tissue a
  • 01:13:49
    friend of M what's the exercise called a
  • 01:13:51
    cobra what is it you know get on your
  • 01:13:53
    stomach my friend go oh I do cobras and
  • 01:13:56
    I go what I said what about well you
  • 01:13:58
    can't do a Cobra on hyperextension why
  • 01:14:01
    don't you lift the weight up and hold it
  • 01:14:02
    to the
  • 01:14:03
    rear my friend and he goes oh I never
  • 01:14:07
    thought of that you could do that with
  • 01:14:10
    we said resistance you know I want to go
  • 01:14:11
    back to the shoulder though two things
  • 01:14:13
    um I bought this right away couldn't use
  • 01:14:15
    it in the beginning so I just did
  • 01:14:16
    partials you know just partials High
  • 01:14:18
    rips in here just rep after rep after
  • 01:14:21
    rep hitting my shoulder any way any kind
  • 01:14:23
    of Direction I could you know both ways
  • 01:14:26
    you know like this and then then I
  • 01:14:27
    finally got thrown up just like a normal
  • 01:14:29
    human
  • 01:14:30
    just just pop that thing all kind of
  • 01:14:33
    ways I do a lot like
  • 01:14:36
    this and and it build up build up my
  • 01:14:38
    shoulder my anterior adults and so forth
  • 01:14:40
    this has been a life saver and I got a
  • 01:14:42
    stronger one I can finally use now and
  • 01:14:44
    uh but also um straight arm poers now I
  • 01:14:48
    could not do straight on Polar in the EV
  • 01:14:50
    like most people but I get in my lap
  • 01:14:51
    machine and and Tom's done this with the
  • 01:14:54
    guys and I sat down on lap machine
  • 01:14:56
    facing away from with lightweight and
  • 01:14:57
    let it pull my arms over my head I'm
  • 01:14:59
    getting that weight resistance for to
  • 01:15:02
    gain range of motion now weight
  • 01:15:03
    resistance is the greatest way to build
  • 01:15:05
    flexibility you know if you ever had a
  • 01:15:07
    5-in camera bar you can't touch it put
  • 01:15:09
    more weight on it but you're going to
  • 01:15:10
    get it down it's extreme but that's the
  • 01:15:13
    theory I do a lot of straight arm real
  • 01:15:15
    close grip real wide grip getting
  • 01:15:17
    because you told me to put a you know
  • 01:15:18
    put my hands behind my head with
  • 01:15:19
    broomstick W that wasn't happening but
  • 01:15:22
    that's kind of you know kind of like the
  • 01:15:23
    beginning of what I do but the the
  • 01:15:25
    pullovers and I mean I do things for
  • 01:15:28
    four and five minutes at a time I've
  • 01:15:29
    done ABS 15 minutes straight static ABS
  • 01:15:32
    the static abs like you're grappling
  • 01:15:34
    with somebody so you want to do ultra
  • 01:15:36
    High Reps and just blow yourself up you
  • 01:15:37
    know it's basically called lactic acid
  • 01:15:40
    tolerance training bodybuilder goes
  • 01:15:41
    through this you know your arms are all
  • 01:15:43
    blown up you got 10 more reps then STP
  • 01:15:45
    some weight got 10 more rep yeah you
  • 01:15:47
    know
  • 01:15:48
    100% yeah so anyhow that's that that's
  • 01:15:51
    pretty much how I I rehab my shoulder a
  • 01:15:53
    lot of uh upper back work
  • 01:15:55
    and um uh a lot of band work and a lot
  • 01:15:58
    of ultra Ultra High Reps As I push my
  • 01:16:00
    weights up yeah and one of the things
  • 01:16:01
    that I want to make a note of is just
  • 01:16:03
    because it always annoys me seeing
  • 01:16:04
    people that just do band work where they
  • 01:16:06
    let the band stretch them like you're
  • 01:16:08
    doing all the work there thus you're
  • 01:16:11
    actually see in order to increase
  • 01:16:13
    capacity you have to do some sort of
  • 01:16:15
    work you can't let the band do the work
  • 01:16:17
    right you have to do the work that's the
  • 01:16:19
    reason why these machines like a reverse
  • 01:16:21
    hyper are so invaluable because you can
  • 01:16:23
    add load to them work as big being done
  • 01:16:25
    thus capacity is being increased these
  • 01:16:27
    people that want to hold these static
  • 01:16:29
    stretches and they think that they
  • 01:16:30
    acquire a useful range of motion you
  • 01:16:32
    just don't there has to be some sort you
  • 01:16:35
    have to be doing work a lot of people
  • 01:16:37
    don't like doing this work because it's
  • 01:16:38
    small detailed work that's really hard
  • 01:16:41
    and it's a process but you have to do
  • 01:16:44
    the work I can't stress that enough I
  • 01:16:46
    see all these I see people doing all
  • 01:16:48
    these stuff with bands and stuff like
  • 01:16:49
    that and that's great if it makes you
  • 01:16:51
    feel better and neurologically opens up
  • 01:16:53
    a range that you can train but but then
  • 01:16:55
    they're not training that range right
  • 01:16:57
    and so that's the most frustrating part
  • 01:16:59
    from a ther from me being a manual
  • 01:17:01
    therapist's perspective is every time I
  • 01:17:03
    work on someone I'm having them do some
  • 01:17:05
    sort of work does that make sense so
  • 01:17:07
    that once they get up they've increased
  • 01:17:09
    their capacity in some way we've loaded
  • 01:17:12
    the tissues there's neural drive there
  • 01:17:13
    there's sensory information so that
  • 01:17:15
    they're better match for whatever their
  • 01:17:17
    demands are I've I've had lineman uh you
  • 01:17:19
    know hook up bands and hook it to a post
  • 01:17:21
    and go out for like a you know blocking
  • 01:17:23
    the other offensive lineman or defensive
  • 01:17:25
    line what the case may be or for take
  • 01:17:27
    downs and run I'm sure time doesn't so
  • 01:17:29
    coach says cuz I told my P said well why
  • 01:17:32
    don't you just put a banner on your
  • 01:17:33
    waist their waist and and give them
  • 01:17:35
    resistance well Tommy don't you do this
  • 01:17:37
    for a half a bile a mile you want to
  • 01:17:39
    walk behind with someone for half a mile
  • 01:17:41
    a mile hold them I don't think so you
  • 01:17:43
    know that's why I mean you got to be
  • 01:17:45
    smarter than the weights and like you
  • 01:17:47
    said you know and you know people in my
  • 01:17:49
    sport it's for me for years you know I
  • 01:17:52
    didn't want to take out the trash you
  • 01:17:53
    know all I want to do is you know the
  • 01:17:55
    big three list and get out and the
  • 01:17:57
    hardest say in our sport I think is
  • 01:17:59
    doing the small exercise it doesn't make
  • 01:18:00
    sense to a lot of people but when they
  • 01:18:02
    finally get it they don't get hurt
  • 01:18:04
    anymore I tell you what it's a crucial
  • 01:18:06
    part of our sport that we got to train
  • 01:18:08
    in these crazy ranges of motion because
  • 01:18:11
    fighting is very unpredictable you got
  • 01:18:12
    no idea where it's going to go and back
  • 01:18:15
    to the shoulder rehab I know you're the
  • 01:18:18
    one who got me to do it but that uh war
  • 01:18:20
    wagon or that wheelbarrow shrugs have
  • 01:18:23
    those have been the the biggest thing
  • 01:18:24
    for my posture on my shoulders
  • 01:18:26
    unbelievable but that and we've been
  • 01:18:28
    super setting that with um Rose and the
  • 01:18:30
    bell squat hey you do them you I mean
  • 01:18:33
    that that's a hell of a super set by
  • 01:18:35
    keeping your posture up but again show
  • 01:18:37
    because of the arm locks and arm bars
  • 01:18:40
    and just the way your shoulders go
  • 01:18:41
    through them ranges of motion that
  • 01:18:43
    wheelbarrow and now I've Incorporated
  • 01:18:45
    those um l or the pullovers in the lap
  • 01:18:47
    machine I mean you can just see that
  • 01:18:49
    their chest cavity everything's opening
  • 01:18:51
    up real good and one arm will give you
  • 01:18:53
    greater range than two arm m
  • 01:18:55
    yeah I mean anything you do you can do a
  • 01:18:57
    one leg split but you can't necessarily
  • 01:18:58
    do a two leg split right yeah yeah
  • 01:19:02
    that's a that's a good point cuz your
  • 01:19:03
    repost is really changed even it's help
  • 01:19:05
    your squat form cuz now your shoulders
  • 01:19:07
    are back far we got a kid came here
  • 01:19:08
    right now very internally rotated and uh
  • 01:19:11
    so that's what we're working on right
  • 01:19:12
    now trying to get that external rotation
  • 01:19:14
    for his bench and his squat right and we
  • 01:19:17
    in three months we took him from a 900
  • 01:19:18
    squat to 1,000 in contest put $160 total
  • 01:19:21
    in three months but work he definitely
  • 01:19:23
    can go way up from that but we got to
  • 01:19:25
    work on that external rotation what I've
  • 01:19:28
    notic is it teaches your body what to do
  • 01:19:30
    especially in heavy weight the first
  • 01:19:31
    time I can actually feel my upper back
  • 01:19:33
    contract and then I can lock something
  • 01:19:35
    in um and it actually worked without
  • 01:19:39
    doing things involuntary like I could
  • 01:19:40
    feel everything activating and for the
  • 01:19:42
    first time driving up in a squat I let
  • 01:19:44
    on my head and that normally doesn't
  • 01:19:46
    happen but you got to do these thousands
  • 01:19:47
    of reps to teach your body how to do
  • 01:19:49
    well well the funny part was I was
  • 01:19:51
    working with this guy online uh from the
  • 01:19:53
    UK he's physical therapist this morning
  • 01:19:55
    right he wants to acquire more internal
  • 01:19:56
    rotation his hip joint so the system I
  • 01:19:59
    use is called functional range
  • 01:20:00
    conditioning F FRC right it's isometrics
  • 01:20:02
    Progressive and regressive isometrics
  • 01:20:05
    and it's
  • 01:20:06
    funny he realized how much it sucks to
  • 01:20:09
    do the small work right because I told
  • 01:20:11
    him I'm like the issue is you're doing
  • 01:20:13
    it but you're not isometrically loading
  • 01:20:15
    enough so I'd load him in an interval
  • 01:20:17
    20% 40% 60% 80% right well the issue was
  • 01:20:21
    I go are you at 80% cuz you're not
  • 01:20:23
    straining he talks to me yeah this is
  • 01:20:24
    80% no if you're if you're talking to me
  • 01:20:27
    you're not loading at 80% you're not
  • 01:20:29
    straining nearly enough and I think
  • 01:20:31
    that's what people understand is how
  • 01:20:32
    hard like the work that you're talking
  • 01:20:34
    about if you a lot of people may see the
  • 01:20:36
    wheelbarrow and they're like oh that
  • 01:20:37
    looks easy but if you're if you're
  • 01:20:39
    actually controlling the wheelbarrow and
  • 01:20:41
    not letting the wheelbarrow control you
  • 01:20:43
    right it's totally different I mean I
  • 01:20:46
    can only do about two sets of of I'll do
  • 01:20:48
    10 reps one way 10 reps the other way
  • 01:20:51
    and my entire upper thoracic all that
  • 01:20:53
    musculature is is just it's trashed yeah
  • 01:20:57
    well I noed Tommy though got a lot of
  • 01:20:59
    bench press records too and you start
  • 01:21:01
    doing that wheel B show you know you got
  • 01:21:02
    to have a strong upper back to bench but
  • 01:21:04
    and you can't be like this and think
  • 01:21:06
    you're don't bench a lot yeah because
  • 01:21:07
    you got to be able to isometrically take
  • 01:21:08
    your your shoulder blades and plant them
  • 01:21:11
    and then go into this joint and get
  • 01:21:12
    range of motion in that joint to load
  • 01:21:14
    your packs what I found over the years
  • 01:21:16
    as I got older I couldn't bench wi
  • 01:21:17
    anymore I used to bench illegal years
  • 01:21:18
    ago as a training agent and I found out
  • 01:21:21
    the close grip you will not work your
  • 01:21:22
    scapula near as much of the close grip
  • 01:21:24
    as you do W grip you have to do some
  • 01:21:25
    white grip somehow yeah pull that scap
  • 01:21:28
    together yeah 100% yeah so that's one
  • 01:21:32
    thing that's why I got to you everybody
  • 01:21:33
    wants to use this one grip you can't you
  • 01:21:35
    got to use all these different grip Bill
  • 01:21:37
    casmar used three different grips I
  • 01:21:38
    didn't know the red and Iron Man years
  • 01:21:40
    ago he used three every grips just like
  • 01:21:42
    we do I never told Bill to do it and
  • 01:21:44
    Bill didn't tell me to do it but we both
  • 01:21:46
    learned you got to use different grips
  • 01:21:48
    and and just if you have a repetitive
  • 01:21:49
    strain injury it's going to decrease if
  • 01:21:51
    you're if you're always uh changing it
  • 01:21:53
    up as far as your grips it's going to
  • 01:21:56
    reduce the repetitive strain injury as
  • 01:21:57
    well because you're going to load
  • 01:21:58
    tissues differently right you and also
  • 01:22:01
    like for the shoulder to thing although
  • 01:22:02
    I did break my snap my neck would drive
  • 01:22:04
    my head in the bench um but you want to
  • 01:22:07
    train your neck that's one of the
  • 01:22:08
    muscles P that's the most neglected
  • 01:22:10
    muscle in the body and there's pictures
  • 01:22:12
    Tom I know you swinging 215 around and S
  • 01:22:15
    with a neck hor
  • 01:22:17
    215 not 215s 215 lbs we do lots and lots
  • 01:22:21
    of neck I like long periods of neck you
  • 01:22:23
    saw I do it for five 6 minutes at a time
  • 01:22:26
    just holding just like a Tommy have me
  • 01:22:29
    in a clinch or something I just
  • 01:22:30
    constantly until I just blow it up then
  • 01:22:32
    I turn around and do it in reverse you
  • 01:22:34
    know so I do ultra High Reps but I don't
  • 01:22:37
    know I think we cover a lot have Tom I I
  • 01:22:40
    want to bring up a few things like a lot
  • 01:22:42
    of people said well what have you done
  • 01:22:44
    how how have you AED your self- recovery
  • 01:22:46
    you name it I've done it won't get in
  • 01:22:48
    everything but the common things I've
  • 01:22:50
    used Prolotherapy I've used a lot of s
  • 01:22:52
    injections as much as 48C as you too
  • 01:22:55
    well know in my neck upper back I've you
  • 01:22:58
    I've had platelet injections stem cell
  • 01:23:01
    injections you know they gave you stem
  • 01:23:02
    cell and platelets that seemed to work
  • 01:23:04
    quite well I mean it's been about what 3
  • 01:23:06
    months now and uh it's working real well
  • 01:23:09
    I believe you you you sometimes you need
  • 01:23:11
    a chiropractor uh um John uh your um
  • 01:23:15
    what your I do release functional range
  • 01:23:18
    release mhm I had one of the best things
  • 01:23:20
    I ever had when there was a good one
  • 01:23:22
    town was Roofing break out the scar
  • 01:23:24
    tissue acupuncture if they're good
  • 01:23:27
    acupressure and um you know so that
  • 01:23:29
    covers a lot of stuff and uh but you
  • 01:23:32
    always look for a way there's a way out
  • 01:23:34
    there don't give up on yourself always
  • 01:23:36
    get on time's great on if all knows some
  • 01:23:38
    time gets internet I don't know how to
  • 01:23:39
    get on a computer but if I want to know
  • 01:23:41
    some times on the internet uh he's got
  • 01:23:44
    the answer to me in two freaking minutes
  • 01:23:46
    you know what I mean and then we try it
  • 01:23:48
    and like I said don't I've had coaches
  • 01:23:50
    big coaches they were afraid to do
  • 01:23:52
    something because they thought theyd
  • 01:23:53
    look stupid I never been afraid to look
  • 01:23:55
    stupid you know if you do 20 things
  • 01:23:58
    wrong but find one thing right it could
  • 01:24:00
    it could make or break a lifter in your
  • 01:24:01
    gym or or a fighter or anything else or
  • 01:24:05
    a u a patient and it's the same thing
  • 01:24:08
    finding out what not to do is also
  • 01:24:10
    progress yes right it's one of yeah yeah
  • 01:24:13
    you're finding out the negatives don't
  • 01:24:14
    do this don't do this which gives you it
  • 01:24:16
    put you on the path to actually finding
  • 01:24:18
    out what you need to do or what you can
  • 01:24:20
    do I believe the West Side system is
  • 01:24:22
    safe the safest system in the world you
  • 01:24:24
    got remember all these injuries started
  • 01:24:26
    back in the early 80s I had no idea I
  • 01:24:28
    did Progressive gradual overload
  • 01:24:29
    training it was all wrong that's where I
  • 01:24:32
    accumulated a lot of these problems and
  • 01:24:33
    there was no gear I mean I made top 10
  • 01:24:36
    from 1980 to uh 2002 22 years with and
  • 01:24:41
    without shirts and I did it because I
  • 01:24:43
    got smarter I didn't get any stronger I
  • 01:24:44
    just got smarter yeah so you got to
  • 01:24:47
    always try to find a better way it's the
  • 01:24:49
    same thing if you train smarter then you
  • 01:24:50
    can train harder right exactly so to
  • 01:24:54
    many guys train hard get hurt and they
  • 01:24:56
    can't figure it out you got you just got
  • 01:24:57
    to go at it a systematic approach yeah
  • 01:25:02
    um I've got a question that's I'm sure
  • 01:25:05
    that some people think
  • 01:25:06
    about why did you not quit like you you
  • 01:25:09
    had all these injuries a lot of people
  • 01:25:12
    they got a little Nicks and they gone
  • 01:25:14
    but what drives what drove you to from
  • 01:25:16
    73 all the way up to now because now
  • 01:25:18
    you're the first person in the gym and
  • 01:25:20
    last one out what what what drove you to
  • 01:25:23
    always seeking out answer I don't think
  • 01:25:25
    I'm spatial I think I just born with no
  • 01:25:27
    quit I mean my dad would never let me
  • 01:25:30
    quit doing anything you know and I mean
  • 01:25:32
    when I broke my back I would I trained
  • 01:25:34
    in my basement I had a mirror and a
  • 01:25:35
    radio that was my training part I had no
  • 01:25:37
    training partner for six years and I
  • 01:25:39
    would go down look at that mirror
  • 01:25:40
    looking at myself saying how am I going
  • 01:25:41
    to get well what I like I said I try to
  • 01:25:43
    do I try to do this try to do that try
  • 01:25:45
    nothing worked and I and then I just
  • 01:25:47
    went in my own mind and um and thought
  • 01:25:50
    about and basically went into a a
  • 01:25:52
    meditational state and said you know I
  • 01:25:54
    went into emptiness and that's what I
  • 01:25:55
    practice a lot and I came up with that
  • 01:25:57
    exercise but I mean all these things
  • 01:25:59
    happened I tore my knee off my kneecap
  • 01:26:00
    sitting on the side my leg and I and I
  • 01:26:02
    said to myself how long is this going to
  • 01:26:04
    take to fix not oh I'm done you you if
  • 01:26:07
    you quit one time guys you're a
  • 01:26:09
    quitter quit one time at anything you're
  • 01:26:12
    a quitter you'll quit at anything it
  • 01:26:14
    sets you up to quit and I you know I I
  • 01:26:17
    can't compete anymore because my my
  • 01:26:19
    knee's pretty bad and my neck but I
  • 01:26:21
    train all the time and like I said I'm
  • 01:26:23
    you know the restaurant opens up at 6:00
  • 01:26:25
    I'm sitting there at
  • 01:26:26
    5:15 all right like a stalker I you know
  • 01:26:29
    there's no way I 4:00 I my clock 4:00
  • 01:26:31
    a.m. in the morning I'm done I got to
  • 01:26:33
    get up I can't take a chance of ever
  • 01:26:35
    being late and I'll be back here tonight
  • 01:26:37
    I don't know what time it is now I'll be
  • 01:26:39
    back late tonight doing another workout
  • 01:26:40
    I worked out already this morning I'll
  • 01:26:42
    leave here and do a little bit and come
  • 01:26:43
    back late tonight and and I people say
  • 01:26:46
    why do I like to train by myself if you
  • 01:26:48
    train by yourself you really find out if
  • 01:26:49
    you really want to train if I ain't got
  • 01:26:51
    Tommy up my ass saying come on you got
  • 01:26:53
    to do another r or you doing something
  • 01:26:55
    if I'm here by me saying Lou Lou I got
  • 01:26:58
    to do another rep that's when you really
  • 01:26:59
    want toink but I mean what all these
  • 01:27:02
    injuries is how I came up with all these
  • 01:27:03
    methods and it was a hard way but
  • 01:27:06
    someone had to do it me and me and Dave
  • 01:27:08
    Tate ruined our our shoulder squatting
  • 01:27:11
    with too much band Rob fuser and um
  • 01:27:13
    George howbert ruined their shoulders uh
  • 01:27:16
    too much in this in the bench but
  • 01:27:18
    someone had to do it you know mean you
  • 01:27:20
    got to put too much salt in the food
  • 01:27:22
    until you find out too much salt we were
  • 01:27:24
    just unfortunately the ones I was never
  • 01:27:25
    afraid to try anything they weren't
  • 01:27:27
    either I had the greatest group of guys
  • 01:27:28
    in the world if I said hey I want to try
  • 01:27:30
    this let's do it you know Bo had
  • 01:27:32
    experimental groups Jim's nothing but
  • 01:27:34
    experiment and the hardest thing now
  • 01:27:36
    what's hardest thing foron get a lifter
  • 01:27:38
    a real lifter I'm getting too old to
  • 01:27:41
    take average I don't need average
  • 01:27:42
    average people will give you average
  • 01:27:44
    results you have to have abnormal people
  • 01:27:46
    if you want abnormal
  • 01:27:48
    results what do you say the people out
  • 01:27:50
    there who've been told by their their
  • 01:27:53
    doctors surgeons and um physical
  • 01:27:55
    therapists that they should stop or they
  • 01:27:58
    should not like to people out there who
  • 01:28:00
    have got injured since you've came back
  • 01:28:01
    from so much what's the biggest piece of
  • 01:28:03
    advice you could tell them uh I when I
  • 01:28:06
    was getting operated on my shoulder um
  • 01:28:09
    the last time a woman said why what do
  • 01:28:11
    you do when people tell you not to do
  • 01:28:12
    this I says I don't hang around people
  • 01:28:14
    to tell me not to do this if you run
  • 01:28:16
    with the limb you develop a limp only
  • 01:28:17
    hang around positive people I got I'm
  • 01:28:20
    surrounded by very smart people way
  • 01:28:21
    smarter than me and I I I I you I mean
  • 01:28:24
    I'm not I use them but I I they're at my
  • 01:28:26
    disposal and I let them I give them
  • 01:28:28
    leadway to do what they do best and I I
  • 01:28:30
    think that's what makes a you know a
  • 01:28:33
    good a successful anything business gym
  • 01:28:36
    you got to go in there I mean that's why
  • 01:28:38
    you know John's a great part of this gym
  • 01:28:40
    uh Tom everybody everybody in my gym I
  • 01:28:42
    can learn from the uh the least
  • 01:28:44
    knowledgeable guy in my gym am I right
  • 01:28:47
    that's where I learn because I'm going
  • 01:28:48
    like what the hell's wrong with this guy
  • 01:28:49
    I mean I grew up you know I was top 10
  • 01:28:51
    squat for in five weight classes I see a
  • 01:28:53
    guy how going what's wrong with that guy
  • 01:28:56
    you know cuz I come up everybody we
  • 01:28:58
    learned how they I taught him they were
  • 01:28:59
    you know really good technicians and
  • 01:29:01
    then when I but that's why I learned
  • 01:29:03
    what this guy's do wrong I got to
  • 01:29:04
    explain what he's doing wrong I mean U
  • 01:29:06
    you know that's what Carlos said that he
  • 01:29:09
    learned uh you learn from bad bad
  • 01:29:11
    Grapplers bad Jiu-Jitsu guys not good
  • 01:29:14
    ones because a good one you be tell me
  • 01:29:15
    for 20 minutes on the on the mat but a
  • 01:29:17
    bad one you'll learn or you know guy you
  • 01:29:19
    I'm going to get your arm and own your
  • 01:29:21
    arm you got to protect his arm that's
  • 01:29:22
    how he got better so that's what I do I
  • 01:29:24
    use I I I learn from everybody you know
  • 01:29:27
    everybody oh they think they know
  • 01:29:28
    everything and like I I I asked the guy
  • 01:29:30
    this morning I said you know I'm not a
  • 01:29:32
    religious person but he is I said you
  • 01:29:34
    read the Bible every day and he goes I
  • 01:29:36
    read the Bible every day I said then why
  • 01:29:38
    don't a coach read a book every day you
  • 01:29:40
    think you read a book one time and
  • 01:29:42
    understand a book you're crazy I've
  • 01:29:43
    talked to how many people Tommy that
  • 01:29:45
    bought super train I read super training
  • 01:29:47
    so what you ain't got a freaking clue
  • 01:29:49
    how to train you know I read box of
  • 01:29:52
    magazines but don't how to box you know
  • 01:29:54
    you got to you got you got to be in the
  • 01:29:56
    trenches and do this stuff you know in
  • 01:29:58
    your job uh you went to school you had
  • 01:30:01
    CL but when you actually got in it you
  • 01:30:03
    know then you're responsible for your
  • 01:30:04
    clients that's when you really learn to
  • 01:30:06
    be very good at what you do yeah that's
  • 01:30:08
    right and when I've got a responsibility
  • 01:30:10
    here if a guy come Tommy 95% of people
  • 01:30:13
    in that gym moved here having day and I
  • 01:30:15
    got we got a responsibility you know I
  • 01:30:17
    can't have a move here and go backwards
  • 01:30:19
    and I can also say the one guy just got
  • 01:30:21
    removed from my gym uh there's no there
  • 01:30:24
    was no hope for him he could not do the
  • 01:30:25
    training and you know is always it came
  • 01:30:28
    in hurt and I I I have confidence in
  • 01:30:31
    saying if you come here and you don't
  • 01:30:33
    get any better you suck anyhow cuz this
  • 01:30:36
    I've never seen a system this good I
  • 01:30:37
    mean we got too many people there's too
  • 01:30:39
    many stats to even consider at looking
  • 01:30:42
    up you know lightest the squad first you
  • 01:30:44
    know um lightest Squad a th liest the
  • 01:30:47
    squad 9 you know mean we're going to
  • 01:30:49
    have another light us at 165 is going
  • 01:30:51
    squat 9 we have 181 squat 1,00 I
  • 01:30:54
    guarantee it you know what I mean we've
  • 01:30:55
    had so many things though that um I
  • 01:30:58
    can't even keep up this stat myself I
  • 01:31:00
    don't going to try if you look at the
  • 01:31:02
    greatest totals ever made the top 10 we
  • 01:31:06
    we load up on the top 10 you know like
  • 01:31:08
    the top sprint times in the world bold
  • 01:31:10
    holds probably four or five so do
  • 01:31:13
    we you know no one no one can say
  • 01:31:17
    that but I just I can't I don't have
  • 01:31:19
    quit in me I mean like I you know Tom
  • 01:31:21
    you do all my business right now we got
  • 01:31:23
    two projects M and they could be big
  • 01:31:26
    money makers not that I care about the
  • 01:31:27
    money but I'm glad I we haven't got them
  • 01:31:30
    out there because I need something look
  • 01:31:31
    forward to every day got to have some
  • 01:31:33
    kind of fight you know till I die you
  • 01:31:37
    slow down you go down that's
  • 01:31:39
    right
  • 01:31:45
    100% well other than that I think we
  • 01:31:47
    cover a lot in this um podcast i' like
  • 01:31:50
    to thank John like to thank Lou this has
  • 01:31:52
    been the Westside Bar podcast and we'll
  • 01:31:54
    be back with you guys really
  • 01:31:57
    soon thank you man yo yeah for
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  • Louis Simmons
  • injury recovery
  • reverse hyperextension
  • spinal health
  • strength training
  • mental resilience
  • back injuries
  • correct training techniques
  • adaptability
  • Westside Barbell