Does This FNAF Theory Truly SOLVE Golden Freddy? | MatPat Reacts To @RyeToast

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCxBCKKfkK8

Summary

TLDRThe GTN Live episode features MatPat and fellow FNAF theorist ID's Fantasy discussing various theories regarding the identity of Golden Freddy, a character from the Five Nights at Freddy's franchise. They engage in a live theorizing session, revisiting many fan theories without reaching a firm conclusion. The discussion is light-hearted, filled with banter, and involves referencing both the games and FNAF books to explore existing theories. They also delve into connected concepts such as the significance of red lakes and spring lock suits in the lore. Throughout, they emphasize the complexity and open-ended nature of FNAF's narrative, exploring why details like drowning imagery or character affinities might matter in theorizing the identity of Golden Freddy. The video underscores the interactive and speculative nature of the FNAF fan community's engagement with the franchise lore.

Takeaways

  • ⭐ MatPat and ID's Fantasy lead a lively FNAF theory discussion.
  • 🎥 The session is part of GTN Live's interactive theorizing format.
  • 📚 FNAF books are crucial for supporting or contesting theories.
  • 😂 The video features lighthearted discussions and banter.
  • 🤔 Theories about Golden Freddy remain inconclusive.
  • 🌊 Discussions include symbolism, such as red lakes and agony.
  • 🕹️ Ultimate Custom Night is highlighted for its lore implications.
  • 🎭 Theories are speculative, focusing on narrative satisfaction.
  • 🤝 Community engagement is central to these theory discussions.
  • 🔍 The video reflects on the complexity and depth of FNAF lore.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The video introduces a new member behind the camera and humorously discusses the nature of YouTube channels dedicated to theorizing about FNAF (Five Nights at Freddy's). They joke about the process of coming up with theories, particularly involving Golden Freddy, and the obligatory nature of having 'solved' videos in the FNAF community.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The team to discuss FNAF theories, highlighting a video by another creator about Golden Freddy. There's an ongoing joke about repeatedly solving and unsolving FNAF mysteries. The discussion also includes the creative aspects involved in making thumbnails and titles for engaging content.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The group refers to specific theories regarding the identity of Golden Freddy and mentions using existing FNAF game mechanics as evidence. A recurring theme is the clickbait-style title choice and how theorists often revisit and dispute each other’s conclusions.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The video explores the structure and purpose of Ultimate Custom Night from the perspective of a theorist, suggesting that Golden Freddy is central to the experience. The implication is that the Golden Freddy spirit could be the one guiding the player's experience.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Intriguingly, the discussion leans into the connections between the games and books, using examples to bridge the story of a boy named Andrew from the books with elements in the games. They explore how Agony and spiritual unrest might connect to the mysteries surrounding Golden Freddy.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Further analysis involves theories about how remnants and agony manifest in the FNAF universe. There's a deep dive into possible symbolic meanings of lakes and drowning, linking them back to how characters might have suffered or met their demise, particularly focusing on lore from the series' expanded universe, like books.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The team discusses the consistency and challenges of drawing conclusions from Fazbear Frights stories and mentions the difficulty in bridging these with game lore. They address that evidence from supplemental materials often leads to speculative conclusions.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Several jokes and humorous comments on vacuuming as a metaphor for the detailed and often chaotic nature of theorizing FNAF lore. They touch upon how much detail is really necessary to enjoy and understand the lore.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    The hosts humorously debate about the canonicity of the books versus games, addressing community controversies about official lore and characters like Andrew or Cassidy. There's acknowledgment of heated discussions within the fandom over such lore connections.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    A side discussion covers specific details like the significance of spring locks and death by spring lock within the FNAF narrative. The painful nature of how characters could perish and the potential implications these details have on the overarching mystery is contemplated.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    The conversation shifts towards a broader narrative perspective, examining how satisfactory explanations for character motivations or deaths are required to maintain fan engagement. There is a reflection on how FNAF's storytelling must handle unsolved mysteries and complex character arcs.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:01:20

    In a lighthearted conclusion, they contemplate on the nature of FNAF's storytelling and fan expectations, emphasizing the need for personal headcanons in the absence of clear answers from the series. They express interest in continuing to explore FNAF theories and maintaining enthusiasm in the face of evolving lore.

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Video Q&A

  • Who are the hosts of the video?

    The hosts are MatPat from GTN Live and a special guest, fellow FNAF theorist ID's Fantasy.

  • What is the main topic of discussion in the video?

    The main topic is FNAF theories, particularly about Golden Freddy's identity.

  • What is GTN Live?

    GTN Live is a live streaming show where various topics, especially related to gaming and theories, are discussed.

  • What is a notable feature of the video format?

    The notable feature is live theorizing about FNAF, with guest discussions and community interactions.

  • Do they conclude Golden Freddy's identity?

    No, they discuss different theories but do not conclude Golden Freddy's identity.

  • What method do they use while discussing theories?

    They use a mix of reviewing existing theories and engaging in live, informal discussions.

  • What role do the books play in the discussion?

    The FNAF books are referenced to support or contest theories around FNAF lore, particularly Golden Freddy's identity.

  • Which FNAF game elements are extensively discussed?

    The elements from Ultimate Custom Night and other FNAF games related to lore and character backgrounds.

  • Why is the discussion about FNAF important to the hosts?

    It allows them to explore fan theories and engage with the community interested in intricate game lore.

  • Does the discussion include new insights or just recaps?

    The discussion mainly revisits known theories but attempts to explore them from different angles.

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    so I guess I am too also finally solved
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    there it isly and we were
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    wrong it's
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    true hey guys and welcome to gtn live
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    where today we have a very special guest
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    and that special guest is not Ash on the
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    couch that special guest is actually uh
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    a new person behind the camera here
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    right now uh it is not Sam uh everyone's
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    favorite Michigan Grandpa it is in fact
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    fellow FNAF tuber ID's fantasy hello
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    how's it going guys uh it's doing great
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    I didn't know that we had a new
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    production person here in studio today
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    yeah just figured I'd uh stop by Vibe a
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    little bit have some fun talk about lore
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    as one does as you always always of
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    course of course I figured you know
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    after I stopped being a disembodied
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    voice I thought I'd bring more in sure
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    we can always stand to have more
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    disembodied voices so true absolutely
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    little did everybody know I have
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    actually been a dis another disembodied
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    voice inside Matt's head this entire
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    time oh no what never told me about that
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    you're you're where I get to do all the
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    other FNAF theories like I I just wish I
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    had more time to do more FNAF theories
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    let me manifest a whole another Persona
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    and and put it out there yep so thank
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    you for fulfilling on that I also like
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    that true to theorist fashion anyone who
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    comes and visits us immediately gets put
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    to work yes of course it's like hey can
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    you join a couple meetings and also can
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    you sit behind the camera and and work
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    yes yep that just how it goes sometimes
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    you know right can you come here for the
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    fun and by fun let's talk about
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    thumbnails for a solid three hours this
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    morning yeah was was that that is
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    actually a true story that is what id
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    has been doing so far today how's that
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    been it it was actually really
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    interesting like there's some things
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    where like you're working on a thumb
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    and like you're looking at your own
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    stuff and you don't realize things until
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    other people talk about their stuff and
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    you're like oh I see how this applies
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    right it's it's it's educational yeah
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    right you you learn through example and
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    also I actually paid attention the
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    entire meeting I don't usually pay
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    attention Mee I'm so glad you're doing
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    so much better than half the
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    team dang I don't know being on meetings
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    is fresh and exciting right for people
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    their first time yes their you know
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    hundredth time it starts to lose a
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    little bit of its luster of course I
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    want to say for the record I am locked
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    in I am a good employee good for you I
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    thank you excellent well done thank you
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    for that appreciate that so and no and
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    and to be fair uh I think you had the
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    winning title pitch for one of the
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    episodes yeah which was good so nice all
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    ready making
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    moves I feel like I missed that winning
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    title pitch oh it was it was a meeting
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    before you were on it there there was
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    the pre- meeting meeting not the main
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    meeting meeting okay there are some
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    meetings I'm just not cool enough for so
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    shock B shocks not everyone is on every
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    meeting except for me who is on every
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    meeting I'm assuming since you're here
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    we're going to do something fnafy yes oh
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    yeah got got to love that FNAF got
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    simply must simply simply must uh who
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    knows who knows what we're doing today
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    usually it's you me oh great okay
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    excellent what are we doing today so
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    today we are reviewing another FNAF
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    theorist in this space get out of here I
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    know I knowf Theory reviews what novel
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    Concepts I know it's brand new I'm
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    always thinking there is never before
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    Ben a FNAF Theory review on this channel
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    ever never this is first kind I know I'm
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    an innovator this is a new moment and
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    I'm ready to bring those new ideas to
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    the table oh that's great well I'm
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    excited for some new innovation oh yeah
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    and we're going to talk about the newest
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    topic there is golden Freddy man we're
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    really great why sorry yes why are
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    talking about things that really should
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    have been left in like 2018 YouTube
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    exactly well I have a great answer to
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    that Matthew excellent so one of our
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    friends in the space you might know them
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    their name is Ry toast um uploaded a
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    theory recently about solving the true
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    identity of golden Freddy and and within
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    some of the first few frames and and
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    there was within the first few frames
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    within the first few frames so so you
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    got really deep into watching this one
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    didn't oh the
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    deepest like I saw a couple frames of it
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    thought it was good enough for an hour's
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    worth of content let's go I got this
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    okay locked in yes there was a thumbnail
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    that belonged to you yes and a thumbnail
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    but that belonged to you whoa and I was
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    like whoa everyone here has such strong
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    opinions about Golden Freddy we need to
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    discuss as a team not
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    wrong great okay so it's it's a merging
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    of Minds yes it's R toast X Matt Pat X
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    ID's Fantasy X Ash Ash hi should we hop
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    into this does this need Preamble uh you
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    know what I do think we should just hop
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    in I think this is going to be a Magical
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    Mystery Tour of some Magical Mystery
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    lore thank you thank you for that thank
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    you for that ID you feeling good yep all
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    right awesome let's let us commence uh
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    okay so apparently according to the
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    title clearly not clickbait I solved
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    golden Freddy's identity crisis so
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    that's that's happening thank goodness
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    someone solved it because we've been
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    talking about a long time I feel like
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    it's been solved a lot over and over and
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    then unsolved and then resolved again
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    right I love the fact that every like
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    FNAF tuber is required to have like no
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    less than 10 solved episodes yeah people
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    click on the word
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    solv do it it is it is it is truly it is
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    like you know how there's a certain
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    vertical on YouTube that's like $110,000
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    $100,000 you know big money giveaways in
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    the FNAF world it's solved anytime
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    anything is solved in in the franchise
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    it's a miraculous event right or wrong I
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    was wrong or wrong you were wrong we all
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    were wrong we need to solve it again
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    back to the drawing board Boos all right
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    so I solved golden Freddy's identity
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    crisis this is uh 30 minutes Ash yeah
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    how many parts is this going to be so
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    here's the thing too Ry did the absolute
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    goated thing to do and broke this up
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    into chapters using chapter titles so
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    there's a little bit of Preamble at the
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    front and then there's you know theories
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    so it should be solidly a there will be
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    breaking points three okay so can we can
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    we skip the what is all the confirmed
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    lore about Freddy I think so I feel I
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    feel like we could probably skim that
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    right yeah I feel like with this epic
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    collab we should all know what the
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    established lore is I would hope so
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    Freddy exists and is in multiple games
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    and does spooky scary ghost stuff look
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    at that confirmed efficieny that excites
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    well done you get a you get a virtual
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    handshake over here thank you you got
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    yeah there it
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    is she yeah she's like I don't know if
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    I'm I'm virtually reaching out for this
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    and she there it is in alignment now
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    there we go so let's let's preheat this
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    oven let's go all right all right
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    everybody's making their golden Freddy
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    video first few frames opening frames
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    yeah you are totally right I recognized
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    both those thumbnails that's great so I
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    guess I am too also finally solved there
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    it is exactly and we were
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    wrong it's true I mean right there that
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    is content right there it summarizes
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    FNAF theorizing really well right FNAF
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    theorizing in one thumbnail that's it oh
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    that's incredible I love that I just
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    muted it planning on eventually making a
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    golden Freddy video for the timeline I'm
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    baking in the background I guess I'll do
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    it now it seems relevant and a lot of
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    people are shooting their shots so why
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    not mine besides I have a different
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    opinion on Golden Freddy since the last
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    time I've made a video about it oh he's
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    changed his so really the should have
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    been titled he we I was wrong about
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    Golden fry finally solved yeah right I
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    was wrong solved it again resolved the
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    resolving done nailed it I'm pretty sure
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    honestly I'm not sure I've got the
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    memory of a fly that's been swatted but
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    slices and let's make SP that's a good
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    one dead now with all of this evidence
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    of golden Freddy and examples of him
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    what kind of connections can we make to
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    illuminate a possible identity of his
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    possessor what do we know for sure about
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    this Spirit Well I am I am I the only
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    one who's kind of triggered by him doing
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    the the upward stroke of the cat sorry
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    I'm I'm really I'm really fascinated I
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    know I need to focus on the words but
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    that cat is living his best life right
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    now oh yeah like he is getting fmin to
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    the gods thriving even yes thriving
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    beautiful lounging Royal luxurious I'm
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    also jealous because skip does not let
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    us do this at this point and so so his
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    fur is just everywhere that cat is not
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    dropping straight fur anywhere the fur
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    stand up right it's kind of like when
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    you're vacuuming a carpet and then you
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    go back and forth but you don't do in
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    the right way and the pattern's all
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    messed up oh no furiously unsatisfying
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    you would not like my
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    carpet no what what's your carpet look
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    like so it it it's uh I just spot vacuum
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    spot vacuum yeah cuz I don't have the
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    patience for the long
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    vacuuming what vacuuming is the most
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    satisfying of the chores but it's loud
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    but but you get that like delightful
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    crumble like the the like crispy like
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    but then you have
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    to satisfaction in a sound it's a it's a
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    satisfying sound when it sucks it up but
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    but it's it's a little tempered by
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    the I feel like you you might have a a
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    belt issue on your vacuum have you have
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    you examined your belt lately no it's
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    it's probably a vacuum problem but
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    everything in the apartment is super old
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    so I just don't even bother at this
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    point I understand you might want to get
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    a belt inspector out there to exam the
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    belt of
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    or perhaps perhaps if it is if it is
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    cheaper and brings you more joy get
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    yourself a nice pair of headphones and
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    blast those blast those tunes right I
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    get lost in some beats when I'm
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    vacuuming right cuz you could do like a
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    little dance when you're going back and
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    forth and with that woo woo you know but
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    even so I I don't bother to go in
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    straight lines anyway what I I don't
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    bother to go in straight lines for
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    vacuuming it anyways just you you're not
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    doing straight lines I don't know why
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    you're a chaos demon wa usually I'm the
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    the the normal person of the friend
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    group surprisingly enough and you and
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    you the normal person but you don't
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    vacuum in straight linesa yeah all the
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    chaos comes out in my vacuuming wait so
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    if you're not vacuuming in straight
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    lines right and you've told me that you
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    spot vacuum are you using like the
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    little wand or are you picking up the
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    whole thing picking up the vacuum you're
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    picking up the whole thing and putting
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    it in locations yes how how heavy duty
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    of a vacuum is this are we talking like
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    old school Hoover days with a bag or are
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    we talking about like stick vac it's a
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    stick V okay stick is more acceptable we
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    should talk about FNAF huh I agree I
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    agree man we look at us we're we're a
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    solid 6 minutes into this though ah
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    progress we have listen to 20 seconds of
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    it we're a solid 6 minutes in so good
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    for us all right nothing really at least
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    nothing for what do we know for sure
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    about this Spirit Well nothing really
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    off to a solid start literally nothing
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    good job team for sure that's why there
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    are so many different theories on Golden
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    Freddy what I've stated is literally all
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    of the direct information we get about
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    Golden Freddy there are other references
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    to fredbear throughout these books and
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    games and the movies notably in Fazbear
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    frights fredbear appears a couple times
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    but as far as golden Freddy specifically
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    this is pretty much it but we can still
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    make some pretty strong connections most
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    of them from ultimate custom KN between
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    the fact that it's
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    the yeah excited about that excited
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    about that ultimate custom I like the
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    lower implications of ultimate custom
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    Knight I think they're quite interesting
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    I agree I think ultimate custom Knight
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    is definitely a top for me both in terms
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    of it being like the perfect
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    distillation of FNAF gameplay like as it
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    was traditionally envisioned and also it
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    being like probably the best one of the
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    best ways of communicating its lore in a
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    way that is mysterious but also
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    accessible yeah like you get jump scared
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    and you get lore it gives me slightly
  • 00:12:19
    less reason to avoid being jump scared
  • 00:12:21
    as much as possible yeah right like when
  • 00:12:23
    every jump scare has some level of lore
  • 00:12:25
    implication or some hint but it's also
  • 00:12:28
    not cryptically hidden in any sort of
  • 00:12:30
    way it's just like oh are you paying
  • 00:12:31
    attention to what they're saying and
  • 00:12:32
    who's saying it and what like and is
  • 00:12:34
    there a secret little voice coming in
  • 00:12:35
    from behind yeah like that's cool I I
  • 00:12:37
    like that a lot anyway continue Ric that
  • 00:12:40
    actively kills you if you try to death
  • 00:12:42
    coin it and the fact that it's the final
  • 00:12:44
    lingering shot of the game I think it's
  • 00:12:46
    safe to assume that golden Freddy or the
  • 00:12:48
    spirit within it is the conductor of
  • 00:12:51
    ultimate custom KN
  • 00:12:54
    AKA Gustavo dudel I was thinking train
  • 00:12:57
    like choo choo you know and ID's was was
  • 00:13:00
    thinking about electrical conductors I
  • 00:13:02
    was thinking of Remnant
  • 00:13:05
    Remnant it conducts the non-physical
  • 00:13:08
    elements it's in in Fazbear frites it's
  • 00:13:11
    compared to water conducting electricity
  • 00:13:13
    so every time the word conductor gets
  • 00:13:15
    mentioned I think of Remnant yep that's
  • 00:13:18
    fair so many meetings one simple word uh
  • 00:13:22
    yeah just to recap people who don't have
  • 00:13:24
    deep lore just uh embossed into their
  • 00:13:26
    brain permanently from now until the
  • 00:13:28
    heat death of the universe
  • 00:13:29
    uh yeah golden Freddy is a character
  • 00:13:31
    that you can turn on for ultimate custom
  • 00:13:33
    night you can get items Called Death
  • 00:13:35
    coins which eliminate that play that
  • 00:13:37
    character from the night uh so you can
  • 00:13:40
    use that to eliminate a problematic
  • 00:13:42
    character that's giving you a hard time
  • 00:13:44
    if you try to eliminate uh golden Freddy
  • 00:13:46
    though yes I you cancel him out of the
  • 00:13:47
    night eliminate the problematic
  • 00:13:49
    character I appreciate that you said
  • 00:13:50
    that I I I heard you snickering over
  • 00:13:52
    there and I'm like I know I know where
  • 00:13:53
    Ash's heads at um but you eliminate them
  • 00:13:56
    from the night uh but when you try to do
  • 00:13:57
    that on Golden Freddy you get you get
  • 00:13:59
    Uno reverse carded basically and he's
  • 00:14:02
    like and then golden Freddy appears nice
  • 00:14:05
    dry bucko but yeah yes he literally says
  • 00:14:08
    nice try bucko and then uh The Voice
  • 00:14:10
    line is like this underwater garble
  • 00:14:12
    garble that if that if you like do some
  • 00:14:15
    audio processing to it it's it's stuff
  • 00:14:17
    like there was more family and fun where
  • 00:14:19
    I come from stuff like that which is all
  • 00:14:22
    like oh he's fredbear's Family Diner I
  • 00:14:24
    guess uh it it wasn't Earth shattering
  • 00:14:26
    but it was cool to like discover those
  • 00:14:27
    lines which was cool but anyway that
  • 00:14:29
    that connects golden Freddy and fredbear
  • 00:14:31
    a the vengeful Spirit of ultimate custom
  • 00:14:33
    Knight originally resides within golden
  • 00:14:36
    Freddy at least throughout most of the
  • 00:14:38
    story after all many of the mediocre
  • 00:14:40
    melody lines that fade into someone else
  • 00:14:42
    talking presumably from the vengeful
  • 00:14:44
    Spirit mention keeping William here
  • 00:14:46
    forever and with that in mind seeing
  • 00:14:48
    that the final shot of the game is
  • 00:14:50
    golden Freddy Fading Into eternity that
  • 00:14:53
    lines up pretty well it feels like the
  • 00:14:55
    game is saying even if you beat this
  • 00:14:57
    hell you and me are here for for good so
  • 00:15:00
    if I agre Le thought oh you you you oh
  • 00:15:03
    you have you have thoughts um I do think
  • 00:15:05
    that like so okay so security breach
  • 00:15:07
    thoughts um okay I think uh at some I
  • 00:15:11
    think my take on the ultimate custom
  • 00:15:13
    night situation is it was intended to be
  • 00:15:15
    a forever thing but because the vengeful
  • 00:15:18
    Spirit didn't let William's Spirit rest
  • 00:15:20
    he was able to come back in security
  • 00:15:21
    breach as burn trap and then uh the vent
  • 00:15:27
    Spirit got shunted into Prin quest in
  • 00:15:29
    order to not be keeping after an
  • 00:15:32
    ultimate custom Knight and by playing
  • 00:15:34
    princess Quest you're helping the vual
  • 00:15:35
    spirit take out part of William's
  • 00:15:38
    control over what's going on yeah so the
  • 00:15:40
    battle continues yeah so okay so you're
  • 00:15:42
    of the mind that burn trap in security
  • 00:15:45
    breach is William Aton again yes and not
  • 00:15:49
    like glitch trap in a new body or
  • 00:15:52
    anything like that I mean I also think
  • 00:15:53
    glitch trap's Williams so it's bit I
  • 00:15:56
    mean there's a corpse on Burn trap so
  • 00:15:58
    Williams as far as the eyes can see yeah
  • 00:16:01
    yeah does uh and and I know that this is
  • 00:16:03
    one of the big reveals that happened
  • 00:16:05
    during like FNAF anniversary week right
  • 00:16:07
    with the doco interview is Scott's like
  • 00:16:10
    hey um burn trap was not originally
  • 00:16:14
    supposed to move yeah in security bre
  • 00:16:16
    supposed to be lingering out of the
  • 00:16:17
    corner of your eye or something just a
  • 00:16:19
    weird like standy figurine of like dead
  • 00:16:21
    rotting corpse man hey like hey I'm here
  • 00:16:24
    now so does that change anything no
  • 00:16:26
    because my uh no my thought process on
  • 00:16:30
    that is originally that was going to be
  • 00:16:33
    the intention but that's not what ended
  • 00:16:34
    up actually happening so I think uh
  • 00:16:37
    Scott sort of like done things with the
  • 00:16:39
    story in order to point it back to where
  • 00:16:40
    he was originally going yeah so I I
  • 00:16:43
    think burn trap's just in the blob or
  • 00:16:44
    something right now so he's he's
  • 00:16:47
    lingering a little out of commission at
  • 00:16:48
    the moment he's a loose thread yeah yeah
  • 00:16:51
    um but I do think that I I don't think
  • 00:16:53
    Scott's original intentions make what
  • 00:16:55
    actually ended up coming about less what
  • 00:16:58
    happened yeah no that's I I think that's
  • 00:17:00
    like you have to deal with the lore as
  • 00:17:02
    it's presented to you as opposed to the
  • 00:17:04
    lore as it might have been hoped to have
  • 00:17:06
    been but didn't necessarily see through
  • 00:17:08
    to execution yeah yeah that's fair and
  • 00:17:09
    also I feel like that's consequential of
  • 00:17:11
    like when you don't tell the full story
  • 00:17:13
    to your developers and give them little
  • 00:17:15
    Clues right things are going to things
  • 00:17:18
    are going to go the way that they go
  • 00:17:20
    right and you have to roll with that but
  • 00:17:21
    that's kind of been the FNAF theorist
  • 00:17:22
    way so welcome steel wool to the party I
  • 00:17:26
    love the fact that the people working on
  • 00:17:27
    the official games are are also trying
  • 00:17:29
    to figure out the lore right I think I
  • 00:17:32
    think until Scott's like okay hang on
  • 00:17:34
    right Scott's like wait a minute maybe
  • 00:17:35
    the people making the game should know
  • 00:17:37
    what we're going
  • 00:17:39
    for crucial miscalculation like well
  • 00:17:43
    whoopsies here the spirit inside of
  • 00:17:45
    golden Freddy is the vengeful Spirit how
  • 00:17:47
    are they creating ultimate custom Knight
  • 00:17:49
    do we have any insight on how that works
  • 00:17:52
    well believe it or not we do in Fazbear
  • 00:17:54
    frights namely the story The Man in room
  • 00:17:56
    1280 which shows us go for yeah you hit
  • 00:17:59
    that pause button okay so 1280 cuz I
  • 00:18:02
    know we were stumped on this in into the
  • 00:18:04
    pit right cam cam 1280 was the one we
  • 00:18:07
    couldn't figure out
  • 00:18:10
    indeed that that entire room seemed to
  • 00:18:12
    be like a whole bunch of references cuz
  • 00:18:14
    I had the mini arenas from like sister
  • 00:18:16
    location uh no not just sister location
  • 00:18:18
    but uh room for one more oh yeah where
  • 00:18:20
    uh the Fazbear fright story where your
  • 00:18:22
    security guard at like a construction
  • 00:18:25
    site and then one by one mini Arenas
  • 00:18:27
    stuff themselves into his his
  • 00:18:29
    body basically he he slowly consumes a
  • 00:18:32
    bunch of mini Arenas until he literally
  • 00:18:34
    pops indeed this franchise is gross what
  • 00:18:37
    get out of here the more I learn about
  • 00:18:40
    the books and the stories I'm like the
  • 00:18:43
    books go to some wild places I don't
  • 00:18:44
    want to see that I'm glad that's just in
  • 00:18:46
    words oh yeah yeah there's a reason it
  • 00:18:49
    was a book and not the actual game I
  • 00:18:52
    yeah thank you Scott for that one it's
  • 00:18:54
    also it's also the first the first set
  • 00:18:57
    of books right Faz sprs is actually much
  • 00:19:00
    tamer in terms of like the gross or like
  • 00:19:04
    awful things that happen compared to
  • 00:19:05
    Tales from the pizz Plex where it gets
  • 00:19:08
    real dark like goes a bit weird
  • 00:19:12
    sometimes but it does tend to be like a
  • 00:19:14
    little more relaxed on the intense oh
  • 00:19:16
    that is horrific yeah but then you get
  • 00:19:19
    to Tales from the pizzax tales from the
  • 00:19:20
    pizz Plex is like Bleak like a lot of
  • 00:19:23
    the stories you're like oh that's just
  • 00:19:25
    sad and dark and there's like no hope or
  • 00:19:28
    Joy or Redemption it's like oh this is
  • 00:19:31
    just this is just brutal and sad it's
  • 00:19:33
    like it's like the ya equivalent of
  • 00:19:36
    Saw oh that's a very visceral
  • 00:19:39
    description like I felt that description
  • 00:19:42
    right it's right it's not wrong and
  • 00:19:45
    right it's it's it's it's a visceral
  • 00:19:47
    description of a lot of
  • 00:19:49
    viscera that exists there's a lot of
  • 00:19:50
    viscera in Tales from the pizzax gets
  • 00:19:53
    dark in a hurry but yeah man from room
  • 00:19:55
    1280 I didn't make that connection
  • 00:19:56
    that's amazing that's very exciting good
  • 00:19:59
    connection guys um this is also a very
  • 00:20:01
    important story like if you have to read
  • 00:20:03
    some of the stories to catch up on this
  • 00:20:05
    franchise man and room 1280 is one of
  • 00:20:07
    those like oh yeah this one's lore
  • 00:20:10
    important weoo weoo you know you know
  • 00:20:12
    the ones about Fu you could probably
  • 00:20:13
    skip those over the one with like the
  • 00:20:15
    little like sea monkey Bonnies you could
  • 00:20:16
    skip that one man room 1280 this one has
  • 00:20:19
    a relevance this one's got William this
  • 00:20:21
    one's got the vengeful spirit it's got
  • 00:20:23
    them all everyone's here as to what's
  • 00:20:25
    happening in ultimate custom night I'm
  • 00:20:27
    not going to do full summaries of these
  • 00:20:29
    stories because we're going to be
  • 00:20:31
    touching on a few of them today so I'll
  • 00:20:33
    give you the basic context in bare
  • 00:20:35
    minimum for the purposes of this Theory
  • 00:20:37
    the man in room 1280 follows a burnt
  • 00:20:39
    should be dead William Aton he has two
  • 00:20:42
    consciousnesses in his mind and no
  • 00:20:44
    matter how many times they try to kill
  • 00:20:45
    him they either can't or get interrupted
  • 00:20:48
    by the spirit of a boy with curly black
  • 00:20:50
    hair however he's com he's barely able
  • 00:20:53
    to move one finger to spell out letters
  • 00:20:55
    to talk to a priest in the later
  • 00:20:57
    epilogues of Fazbear frights we learned
  • 00:20:59
    that a boy named Andrew was this second
  • 00:21:02
    Consciousness and was inside of William
  • 00:21:04
    aton's mind he doesn't remember exactly
  • 00:21:06
    why but he remembers that he hated
  • 00:21:08
    William so much that he wanted to keep
  • 00:21:10
    him alive forever just to torture him uh
  • 00:21:13
    real quick it's worth calling out
  • 00:21:14
    because this one of those details that
  • 00:21:16
    if you don't read the books you wouldn't
  • 00:21:17
    necessarily connect but the reason why
  • 00:21:18
    he's showing this kid in particular uh
  • 00:21:21
    with the alligator mask is that in man
  • 00:21:24
    uh in room 1280 uh Andrew is
  • 00:21:27
    specifically called out or the spirit
  • 00:21:29
    that's inside of William aton's mind is
  • 00:21:31
    specifically called out as having an
  • 00:21:33
    alligator mask um that is what he has
  • 00:21:36
    dressed as and uh the other main detail
  • 00:21:38
    that you know about him is that he has
  • 00:21:40
    curly black hair and this is one of
  • 00:21:41
    those things that I've mentioned a
  • 00:21:42
    couple times uh in passing in theories
  • 00:21:45
    or maybe in some of the live reactions
  • 00:21:46
    too is that one thing that they are
  • 00:21:49
    always very consistent about in the
  • 00:21:51
    stories of Fazbear frights Etc when it
  • 00:21:54
    comes to Golden Freddy is that he's
  • 00:21:56
    always associated with a kid with curly
  • 00:21:58
    black hair um one of the early stories
  • 00:22:00
    is a kid getting like you know like
  • 00:22:01
    checking inside of golden Freddy's suit
  • 00:22:03
    and reaches in it's like and he felt
  • 00:22:05
    curly black hair you know like that's
  • 00:22:07
    that's one of the big things so the fact
  • 00:22:09
    that this kid is bald first off call
  • 00:22:12
    calling foul that's a RC you know this
  • 00:22:15
    is just the closest representation we
  • 00:22:17
    can find in the game need some image
  • 00:22:19
    other than just
  • 00:22:21
    the he was he was Finding himself yeah
  • 00:22:24
    he was experimenting he was like will
  • 00:22:26
    this complement my face shape this like
  • 00:22:28
    how motorist there's the person on the
  • 00:22:29
    couch and they don't have hair but they
  • 00:22:31
    probably had hair you know maybe that's
  • 00:22:33
    the theory that we should be discussing
  • 00:22:35
    not the identity of golden Freddy where
  • 00:22:37
    did all the hair go o in the FNAF
  • 00:22:40
    Universe maybe this is the long awaited
  • 00:22:42
    FNAF style Theory collab yes there it is
  • 00:22:46
    we got it well done I thank you that's
  • 00:22:48
    that's brilliant genius thank you
  • 00:22:49
    everyone's worried about the threat that
  • 00:22:51
    is William Apton let me tell you a diff
  • 00:22:53
    about a different threat and that is to
  • 00:22:55
    your scalp my friends starting to sound
  • 00:22:58
    familiar here so Fazbear frights is
  • 00:23:00
    establishing this character who's
  • 00:23:01
    essentially doing an ultimate custom
  • 00:23:03
    Knight to William Aton but how what is
  • 00:23:06
    the actual method here well we get sort
  • 00:23:09
    of an answer but as always it's up to
  • 00:23:11
    interpretation later even still in the
  • 00:23:13
    epilogues a character named Eleanor uses
  • 00:23:16
    some Agony in a way that seems very
  • 00:23:18
    important Agony in Five Nights at
  • 00:23:20
    Freddy's is the energy associated with
  • 00:23:22
    the most negative human emotion and in
  • 00:23:24
    the examples we get it's able to possess
  • 00:23:27
    things with a conscious or manifest in
  • 00:23:29
    different ways near the end of the
  • 00:23:31
    epilogues Eleanor is able to use her
  • 00:23:33
    memories and the memories of a detective
  • 00:23:36
    to trap said detective in his own mind
  • 00:23:39
    in this weird nightmarish hellscape
  • 00:23:41
    obviously one does come on so easy guys
  • 00:23:45
    you know that thing that happens that
  • 00:23:46
    you do B we're all doing it yeah where
  • 00:23:49
    you trap where you use your Agony and
  • 00:23:52
    the agony of some third party to shove
  • 00:23:55
    someone into a nightmare coma yeah to
  • 00:23:56
    shove them into a nightmare coma uh
  • 00:23:58
    Shadow realm yeah style as one as one
  • 00:24:00
    does yeah it's it's basically Yu-Gi-Oh
  • 00:24:03
    right essentially I mean really let's be
  • 00:24:07
    honest yeah doing this in like first
  • 00:24:08
    grade banish him to the shadow realm and
  • 00:24:10
    there you find the blue- eyes white
  • 00:24:12
    dragon take your
  • 00:24:15
    hellscape ah yes also not to be confused
  • 00:24:18
    with Remnant like you know there's Agony
  • 00:24:20
    no you know when it comes to fictional
  • 00:24:23
    sci-fi horror V diagram situation right
  • 00:24:27
    agony
  • 00:24:29
    remnants here's what they do yeah yes so
  • 00:24:31
    you're following all this right Ash yeah
  • 00:24:33
    I am learning all of it you know I'm
  • 00:24:35
    trying to digest this this is like my
  • 00:24:37
    liveaction indoctrination into the live
  • 00:24:40
    theorizing world yeah right you guys you
  • 00:24:42
    have the little cult situation coming on
  • 00:24:44
    and I'm stepping into it this is part of
  • 00:24:47
    the
  • 00:24:47
    ritual once I hit a certain amount of
  • 00:24:50
    live theorizing episodes then we all
  • 00:24:52
    step into the circle and uh you know
  • 00:24:54
    complete the process M yeah I've told my
  • 00:24:56
    brother he gets my uh haunted Nintendo
  • 00:24:58
    switch when I die oh that's cool that's
  • 00:25:01
    very nice uh we are we are uh on on all
  • 00:25:04
    of these notes though we are currently
  • 00:25:05
    in search of the blood of an innocent so
  • 00:25:07
    if anyone would like to donate the blood
  • 00:25:09
    of an innocent uh Ash's ritual will be
  • 00:25:12
    coming to its completion in about a
  • 00:25:13
    month here so yeah email in the
  • 00:25:17
    description please make sure you follow
  • 00:25:19
    safe uh biohazard shipping yes uh make
  • 00:25:22
    sure that blood is cooled because we
  • 00:25:25
    don't want any tepid blood yeah wear
  • 00:25:27
    gloves must be freshh yeah it cannot be
  • 00:25:29
    contaminated with anything it has to be
  • 00:25:31
    100% innocent um 100%
  • 00:25:35
    innocent none of this half innocent
  • 00:25:37
    blood I've had enough of that okay no
  • 00:25:41
    just say no it's ruined so many of these
  • 00:25:43
    processes so I hear right right yeah and
  • 00:25:46
    then you have to go back it just wastes
  • 00:25:47
    everyone's time to be honest and and
  • 00:25:49
    good blood to be honest yeah you know do
  • 00:25:51
    me a solid and do the sacrifice of solid
  • 00:25:54
    and just make sure that you're targeting
  • 00:25:55
    innocent blood thank you very much wait
  • 00:25:57
    not want not guys exactly yes and
  • 00:26:00
    presumably she can do this with Agony
  • 00:26:02
    since other characters in these
  • 00:26:04
    epilogues use Remnant to do a similar
  • 00:26:06
    thing with positive memories so you ever
  • 00:26:09
    you ever sit here and just think like I
  • 00:26:10
    hear sentences like what what Ry is
  • 00:26:13
    saying which to be fair is all lore
  • 00:26:16
    accurate like let me be clear he is just
  • 00:26:18
    say saying facts that parts of this
  • 00:26:21
    franchise have put out into the universe
  • 00:26:23
    yep and you sit here and you're like oh
  • 00:26:24
    yeah these are things that I'm expected
  • 00:26:27
    to comment
  • 00:26:28
    as an expert in the field we know this
  • 00:26:31
    of Agony and Remnants yep Elanor can do
  • 00:26:34
    this to somebody else just by being near
  • 00:26:36
    them then seemingly if a boy filled with
  • 00:26:39
    Agony is inside the mind of William Aton
  • 00:26:41
    he should be able to do this for as long
  • 00:26:43
    as he can so if in Fazbear frights
  • 00:26:47
    Andrew seems to be conducting ultimate
  • 00:26:49
    custom night on William Aton am I here
  • 00:26:51
    to say that the vengeful Spirit of the
  • 00:26:52
    games is Andrew while that is a very
  • 00:26:55
    common theory I personally disagree with
  • 00:26:57
    it oh got the compelling enough evidence
  • 00:27:00
    within the games as of now to say that
  • 00:27:02
    the vental spirit is Andrew I'm not sure
  • 00:27:05
    if Andrew exists within the game's
  • 00:27:07
    timelin oh man we're crossing into that
  • 00:27:09
    dangerous territory ladies and gentlemen
  • 00:27:12
    we're crossing into oh Ash do you know
  • 00:27:14
    what you've unleashed oh gosh I mean I
  • 00:27:17
    agree with Ry on this but this is a Hot
  • 00:27:19
    Topic especially on Twitter I feel
  • 00:27:22
    people picking up their phones right
  • 00:27:25
    now now they're firing It Off something
  • 00:27:28
    about parallels oh boy no yeah for for
  • 00:27:32
    those of you who don't follow everything
  • 00:27:33
    that happens in the Five Nights at
  • 00:27:34
    Freddy's Universe yeah it's one of those
  • 00:27:36
    things where the canonicity and how
  • 00:27:39
    specifically literal the books are to
  • 00:27:42
    the games is hot for debate and has been
  • 00:27:45
    for a while but is especially spicy
  • 00:27:48
    right now uh in the wake of a video game
  • 00:27:50
    coming out based on the
  • 00:27:53
    stories so so you so basically you're
  • 00:27:56
    like hey ID come in and be a guest and
  • 00:27:58
    hey Matt sit down on the couch and throw
  • 00:28:01
    you into the fire yeah and I'll go in
  • 00:28:03
    with you so for now I'm going to refer
  • 00:28:06
    to the spirit of golden Freddy as the
  • 00:28:08
    vengeful spirit and we'll Circle back to
  • 00:28:10
    their identity later let's first nail
  • 00:28:12
    down how ultimate custom Knight works
  • 00:28:14
    for that while we're still in the books
  • 00:28:16
    you might be asking yourself why is
  • 00:28:18
    Andrew able to do ultimate custom night
  • 00:28:21
    sure he's in William aton's mind and
  • 00:28:23
    we'll have to get to that topic too but
  • 00:28:25
    why does lot of topics to get to just SE
  • 00:28:28
    out that retention time it's fine I'm
  • 00:28:29
    I'm All Aboard more than any other
  • 00:28:31
    William victim I mean William Aton
  • 00:28:34
    killed five kids surely all of them
  • 00:28:37
    should be able to do ultimate custom KN
  • 00:28:39
    if one of them can but only one of them
  • 00:28:42
    does why is Andrew so special oh I
  • 00:28:45
    should not use why are you so special
  • 00:28:47
    anymore I'm not here to say the vental
  • 00:28:48
    spirit is the guy from Help Wanted 2
  • 00:28:50
    Help Wanted 2 has ruined what makes you
  • 00:28:52
    so special that's a whole another thing
  • 00:28:55
    now I forgot that that was a line from
  • 00:28:57
    that but it's true
  • 00:28:58
    lot yeah hippo likes to say it in the
  • 00:29:00
    little fortune teller s speci what makes
  • 00:29:04
    you so special and then also also right
  • 00:29:07
    A lot of people do yeah yeah it is said
  • 00:29:09
    a lot in that game it
  • 00:29:11
    is like lots of sign posting like hey
  • 00:29:13
    look at this why are you important right
  • 00:29:16
    this is the mystery that we're solving
  • 00:29:19
    here what makes Andrew different well we
  • 00:29:22
    have some possible details on his death
  • 00:29:24
    that might lead us onto why in another
  • 00:29:26
    Fazbear fright story the new kid a
  • 00:29:29
    teenager is climbing down the mouth of
  • 00:29:31
    fredbear and in the body he finds the
  • 00:29:33
    top of a head with curly black hair
  • 00:29:36
    there it is called it just said remember
  • 00:29:39
    that time I said that thing yep indeed
  • 00:29:41
    also is that doesn't really look like
  • 00:29:42
    Curly black hair that looks like
  • 00:29:44
    straight black hair I wavy at best well
  • 00:29:46
    yeah that that is a light wave the
  • 00:29:47
    graphic novels are always a little if on
  • 00:29:50
    the details a bit of an interpretation
  • 00:29:52
    there yeah maybe they don't have the
  • 00:29:53
    full story either they're just going off
  • 00:29:55
    a clu maybe it's just very humid that
  • 00:29:57
    day and their hair is just having a flat
  • 00:29:58
    hair day M there's a lot of frizz that's
  • 00:30:00
    very curly but the full body St down no
  • 00:30:03
    hasn't done the hair mask for the week
  • 00:30:05
    you know needs to refresh those curls
  • 00:30:07
    haven't scrunched it yep there it is I
  • 00:30:09
    get it see Kelsey's hair is wavy blonde
  • 00:30:11
    that hair is black true it is I would
  • 00:30:14
    Age sounds a lot like Andrew's hair so
  • 00:30:16
    okay if that is the body of Andrew then
  • 00:30:19
    in the missing child incident Andrew was
  • 00:30:21
    the one stuffed into fredbear man the
  • 00:30:23
    cats are really getting to me today I
  • 00:30:24
    just sneezed four times off camera but
  • 00:30:26
    William stuffed the body I mean to be
  • 00:30:28
    fair that cat was living his best life
  • 00:30:31
    getting all the scritches all the pets
  • 00:30:34
    all the Firmin yeah we're brushing
  • 00:30:35
    backwards and forwards oh all over oh
  • 00:30:38
    yeah fur everywhere all of the mission
  • 00:30:40
    child incident victims into a suit after
  • 00:30:43
    they were killed once again what makes
  • 00:30:45
    Andrew different here well that's where
  • 00:30:47
    the book evidence ends but if we
  • 00:30:50
    evence there was evidence of like black
  • 00:30:53
    hair in a thing I mean I think I think
  • 00:30:55
    what he was trying to get for get to
  • 00:30:56
    there was he by being shoved into spring
  • 00:30:59
    lock suits sure so that would be not
  • 00:31:02
    pleasant no certainly not he's special
  • 00:31:05
    that way yeah guess that's what makes
  • 00:31:06
    him so special wow so you got the normal
  • 00:31:08
    animatronics and oh the one that's uh
  • 00:31:10
    OSHA
  • 00:31:12
    Hazard just get out here ocean Hazard
  • 00:31:15
    that's not safe I'm going to find you
  • 00:31:17
    for this and haunt your
  • 00:31:19
    nightmares you'll never live it down you
  • 00:31:22
    signed a contract wow you had a
  • 00:31:24
    responsibility as an
  • 00:31:26
    employer fill in that BL lank so let's
  • 00:31:28
    translate what we've discovered so far
  • 00:31:30
    in the books back to the games using the
  • 00:31:33
    book logic if we are to assume that
  • 00:31:35
    ultimate custom KN is being conducted by
  • 00:31:37
    the vengeful Spirit within golden Freddy
  • 00:31:40
    using their Agony why is the vengeful
  • 00:31:43
    Spirit different than the rest of the
  • 00:31:44
    missing child incident victims or to use
  • 00:31:47
    the words of the other Phantoms of
  • 00:31:48
    ultimate custom Knight why is the
  • 00:31:50
    vengeful Spirit the one William should
  • 00:31:52
    not have killed well I've talked
  • 00:31:54
    multiple times this year about a
  • 00:31:57
    recurring theme I've noticed in five
  • 00:31:58
    night lot lot of meta that cat's
  • 00:32:00
    everywhere no I love the frequent
  • 00:32:02
    appearances of the cats it's
  • 00:32:05
    amazing I love it so much it's so funny
  • 00:32:08
    it's at Freddy's having to do with
  • 00:32:09
    fredbear drowning and red Lakes the main
  • 00:32:12
    video I have on it is up here and I'll
  • 00:32:14
    have it in the TV and in it I mentioned
  • 00:32:16
    several instances where these themes
  • 00:32:18
    occur in FNAF world and ultimate custom
  • 00:32:21
    night we can go to Old Man consequences
  • 00:32:23
    who has a red Lake and as the fredbear
  • 00:32:25
    Sprite we can force our way into that
  • 00:32:27
    red Lake to get a drowning ending I also
  • 00:32:30
    mentioned that in Tales from the pizza
  • 00:32:31
    Plex there's a story called drowning in
  • 00:32:33
    which there's a spirit of an angry girl
  • 00:32:36
    at the bottom of the lakes of a water
  • 00:32:38
    park or really any body of water that
  • 00:32:40
    she encounters while in this VR Escape
  • 00:32:42
    like I mentioned in special delivery
  • 00:32:44
    golden Freddy has a special skin in the
  • 00:32:46
    DLC called Great Escape golden Freddy
  • 00:32:49
    and when in that skin in the DLC golden
  • 00:32:52
    Freddy is in a tub of water fully
  • 00:32:54
    submerged that's interesting drowning
  • 00:32:58
    yeah that's not something I picked up on
  • 00:33:00
    but
  • 00:33:01
    that that that is a really interesting
  • 00:33:03
    thing to I I I would be hard pressed to
  • 00:33:07
    say that the golden Freddy kid drowned
  • 00:33:09
    as the method of death yeah but I think
  • 00:33:11
    I think what ry's trying to do here is
  • 00:33:13
    connect yeah okay girl with black hair
  • 00:33:15
    at the bottom of the lake girl with
  • 00:33:17
    black hair mentioned in the Silver Eyes
  • 00:33:18
    Trilogy which he hasn't gotten to yet
  • 00:33:20
    but probably will eventually they might
  • 00:33:23
    yeah um named Cassidy yep and so all the
  • 00:33:27
    connections to Drowning would be a hint
  • 00:33:29
    that Cassidy is the spirit in golden
  • 00:33:32
    Freddy or something yeah I I it's an
  • 00:33:34
    interesting call out and I and I
  • 00:33:36
    appreciate looking for the connections
  • 00:33:39
    there my only challenge for this one uh
  • 00:33:42
    actually have two challenges first off
  • 00:33:44
    is if you read the books the books have
  • 00:33:48
    so many themes like I like like if you
  • 00:33:50
    there's so many stories when you've
  • 00:33:53
    published what is it like 15 at the like
  • 00:33:56
    there's over 12 in the original there
  • 00:33:58
    are I'm pretty sure when I when I
  • 00:33:59
    counted up like all of the books
  • 00:34:00
    including the guide books and whatnot
  • 00:34:02
    there were like 30 something or other
  • 00:34:03
    yeah I was going to say there there's
  • 00:34:04
    over I think there's over 20 Nolla style
  • 00:34:08
    books right which are the short story
  • 00:34:09
    like horror stories right whenever and
  • 00:34:12
    and each of those has three mini stories
  • 00:34:14
    plus epilogues and so all of a sudden
  • 00:34:16
    you're talking about like somewhere
  • 00:34:17
    upwards of like 60 to 70 mini horror
  • 00:34:21
    stories in the Fazbear Universe right
  • 00:34:24
    yes which is crazy and also means that
  • 00:34:27
    you are literally reaching out
  • 00:34:29
    everywhere to draw inspiration from
  • 00:34:33
    right like you you and so you can find
  • 00:34:35
    evidence for anything anywhere that's
  • 00:34:36
    exactly right is is there's everything
  • 00:34:39
    from I'm a drama kid who's making a
  • 00:34:41
    weird raven costume for my school
  • 00:34:44
    project to haunted toys to girl turns
  • 00:34:48
    into gummy candy for whatever reason I'm
  • 00:34:50
    still not sure how that works yeah girl
  • 00:34:51
    yeah because she bites the nose of the
  • 00:34:54
    like gummy that you get and you're a
  • 00:34:55
    birthday kid to fazu to see Bonnie like
  • 00:34:59
    really when you look at it there are so
  • 00:35:01
    many different themes that you can latch
  • 00:35:03
    into for those that you can make almost
  • 00:35:05
    anything work so to say like oh drowning
  • 00:35:07
    is one of them a bit of a stretch that
  • 00:35:09
    being said tying it to the FNAF skins
  • 00:35:12
    also would be a like I I would love that
  • 00:35:15
    as a bit bit of evidence and I think
  • 00:35:16
    that's a good pivot to make if it wasn't
  • 00:35:18
    for the fact and I I pulled it up here
  • 00:35:21
    is is the fact that the FNAF I wish
  • 00:35:24
    trust me I I wish you could go to the
  • 00:35:26
    fnafar Skins as evidence the problem is
  • 00:35:28
    the FNAF AR skins were so random and and
  • 00:35:32
    similar chica what's that Liberty chica
  • 00:35:34
    yeah like there's the Fourth of July
  • 00:35:36
    animatronics which is like Liberty Chica
  • 00:35:38
    and you have like Fourth of July Freddy
  • 00:35:40
    with his fireworks and board shorts and
  • 00:35:41
    stuff which is fine like oh maybe that's
  • 00:35:43
    Fazbear 4th of July celebration that's
  • 00:35:45
    fine H you know but then you have like
  • 00:35:47
    the Valentine's Day ones which is weird
  • 00:35:49
    but then you start getting into and and
  • 00:35:50
    maybe if there was like drowning or
  • 00:35:53
    swamp theme in that one that'd be cool
  • 00:35:54
    but then you get into like the haunted
  • 00:35:56
    forest you get into the ancient Equinox
  • 00:36:01
    characters I like the sound of that one
  • 00:36:03
    no the ancient Equinox has a serpent
  • 00:36:05
    mangle and like curse springtrap which
  • 00:36:08
    are cool they're really cool designs
  • 00:36:10
    okay but also like I don't think
  • 00:36:12
    springtrap being dressed as montazuma is
  • 00:36:14
    really doing a whole lot for the Lord I
  • 00:36:17
    also think springtrap is pretty cursed
  • 00:36:19
    already without without an ancient
  • 00:36:21
    Equinox to to accompany him get out of
  • 00:36:24
    here but yeah and I mean there like he
  • 00:36:26
    so there's Wicked Tides right which is
  • 00:36:28
    where you get like sunken toy Bonnie and
  • 00:36:31
    Darkwater bear endo and stuff like that
  • 00:36:33
    that's pretty cool yeah the Skins are
  • 00:36:35
    cool like they chose really cool ones
  • 00:36:38
    but none of them ever have seemed to
  • 00:36:40
    have like something that is like oh this
  • 00:36:43
    is lore important or oh this is like
  • 00:36:46
    clearly we as FNAF have built these
  • 00:36:49
    skins with the intention of shipping
  • 00:36:51
    them out to people for parties or
  • 00:36:53
    something like like they don't seem to
  • 00:36:54
    have a symbolic importance they don't
  • 00:36:55
    seem to have a whole lot of like
  • 00:36:58
    in World importance in a lot of ways
  • 00:37:00
    they just feel like random fun skins
  • 00:37:02
    that the team thought that they could
  • 00:37:04
    make to sell more skins yeah it feels
  • 00:37:06
    very like esoteric and removed from that
  • 00:37:09
    story and to appeal to a fan base that
  • 00:37:10
    maybe isn't so involved with the lore
  • 00:37:12
    hunting and the theorizing maybe trying
  • 00:37:14
    to get that audience a little bit more
  • 00:37:16
    because the online community takes so
  • 00:37:17
    much care of the theorizers with all the
  • 00:37:19
    discourse but how much does that hit and
  • 00:37:23
    how big is that audience truly like in
  • 00:37:25
    terms of the intense fans of the
  • 00:37:27
    franchise right cuz if one one skin is
  • 00:37:30
    relevant then that would imply that
  • 00:37:32
    there's other relevant stuff there too
  • 00:37:34
    and some of them just very clearly
  • 00:37:36
    aren't so like how do you make that
  • 00:37:37
    distinction well and I think you could
  • 00:37:39
    right like I think it's one of those
  • 00:37:40
    where you could have a very dedicated
  • 00:37:42
    line of FNAF AR skins that felt lore
  • 00:37:45
    important in some way they're like oh
  • 00:37:47
    these are very intentionally done to
  • 00:37:49
    serve me some element of lore but it
  • 00:37:51
    feels like it would need to be more
  • 00:37:52
    clear about that it it would need to be
  • 00:37:54
    more clear and also it would have to be
  • 00:37:55
    more complete right like the other side
  • 00:37:57
    of this that's worth noting is sure with
  • 00:38:00
    like The Summer Event or the you know
  • 00:38:03
    the Patriot Pat patriotic event right
  • 00:38:05
    it's like there's firework Freddy and
  • 00:38:07
    Liberty Chica and that's it like it's
  • 00:38:09
    not a specific like they never flesh out
  • 00:38:12
    the whole roster there's never a you
  • 00:38:14
    know this is one for a specific subset
  • 00:38:18
    of the charact like oh it's only the
  • 00:38:19
    golden ones or it's only you know the
  • 00:38:21
    core four or whatever it's always some
  • 00:38:23
    weird assemblage of the characters so it
  • 00:38:26
    never really feels like oh this you know
  • 00:38:28
    it's like oh ring Master foxy magician
  • 00:38:30
    mangle and clown springtrap and you're
  • 00:38:32
    like maybe I maybe they're saying
  • 00:38:35
    William's a clown that's what it is
  • 00:38:37
    clearly that's what it is or maybe
  • 00:38:39
    there's another character we don't know
  • 00:38:40
    about that was making a whole bunch of
  • 00:38:42
    FNAF 's and that's part of the lore
  • 00:38:45
    someone was stealing those OC's exactly
  • 00:38:47
    and that was not okay exactly and look
  • 00:38:49
    what it caused right that's it that that
  • 00:38:51
    is the story of sto the 's we solved it
  • 00:38:55
    great well done thank you all because of
  • 00:38:57
    stolen oses well done Captain finally
  • 00:39:00
    has a motive thank goodness about time
  • 00:39:03
    suck on that uh secrets of the mimic Sol
  • 00:39:06
    it it's afon just drawn some OC mimic
  • 00:39:10
    leaning over his shoulder right Henry's
  • 00:39:13
    like what you doing there he's like
  • 00:39:14
    nothing like hold on I no you drawing in
  • 00:39:17
    a a monuma themed spring trap the the
  • 00:39:20
    fact that technically the the FNAF core
  • 00:39:24
    like the core 4 are kind of after so
  • 00:39:27
    already sure he's just making more OC's
  • 00:39:30
    based on his OC's like OC OC o you know
  • 00:39:35
    Doc O over here yeah that's it I love it
  • 00:39:38
    sister the all the circus babies
  • 00:39:40
    animatronics are just his uh Freddy's
  • 00:39:42
    OC's that he wasn't able to put in the
  • 00:39:44
    actual brand because Henry said no
  • 00:39:46
    Henry's like get get your weird
  • 00:39:48
    characters out of here man I'm good with
  • 00:39:50
    my mediocre Melodies over here leave
  • 00:39:51
    chica out of this yeah you keep you stay
  • 00:39:53
    away from chica okay heartburn chica or
  • 00:39:56
    whatever her name is
  • 00:39:58
    chica it's something okay it's not that
  • 00:40:01
    far off to be fair what is it it's
  • 00:40:05
    chica there's a Lovick baby or something
  • 00:40:07
    heart there's heart sick baby big bad
  • 00:40:11
    foxy big bad foxy it's it's a trip when
  • 00:40:14
    you go to Black Heart Bonnie heart sick
  • 00:40:16
    baby I thought there was like whatever
  • 00:40:19
    heart attack heart attack chica but
  • 00:40:21
    apparently not she had one too many
  • 00:40:23
    burgers I love heartburn chica heartburn
  • 00:40:25
    chica here let's go
  • 00:40:28
    that's why FNAF AR shutting down was
  • 00:40:29
    such a because you didn't get heartburn
  • 00:40:31
    chica exactly could should have been
  • 00:40:33
    should have been a thing in The Help
  • 00:40:35
    Wanted curse of dreadbear DLC Fall Fest
  • 00:40:37
    of 83 is next to a giant Lake and we see
  • 00:40:41
    dreadbear a cursed evil looking version
  • 00:40:44
    of fredbear emerging from the lake not
  • 00:40:47
    to mention in ruin the DLC for security
  • 00:40:49
    breach we find that next to the
  • 00:40:51
    underground FNAF 6 Pizzeria is a giant
  • 00:40:54
    red Lake I do think the lake is a really
  • 00:40:57
    notable thing that keeps coming up in
  • 00:40:59
    the underground Pizzeria yeah or just
  • 00:41:01
    Lake themes in general uh in general but
  • 00:41:03
    also the underground Pizzeria because I
  • 00:41:06
    I was not the one to point this out I I
  • 00:41:07
    think it was John FNAF but uh the the
  • 00:41:10
    connections to the novels with the lake
  • 00:41:13
    and and the mushrooms that are glowing
  • 00:41:15
    right from and yeah and the fact that
  • 00:41:17
    they make it red uh is caught my
  • 00:41:20
    attention particularly because of old
  • 00:41:21
    man
  • 00:41:22
    consequences so I didn't notice that the
  • 00:41:25
    the under the like cave l was red is
  • 00:41:29
    that just is that just the light hitting
  • 00:41:31
    it or is it looks genuinely red huh
  • 00:41:34
    interesting cuz like if you look at the
  • 00:41:35
    the waterfall that looks blue but once
  • 00:41:37
    it hits the lake itself it's red that's
  • 00:41:39
    interesting the flashlight really helps
  • 00:41:41
    with that I don't know if I've seen this
  • 00:41:42
    scene without that flashlight or at
  • 00:41:44
    least looked at it in depth cuz when the
  • 00:41:47
    flashlights off this looks very much
  • 00:41:48
    more like a warmer gray tone or like a
  • 00:41:50
    purpley tone um with that flashlight
  • 00:41:53
    that does appear to be red um and I do
  • 00:41:55
    remember John calling out this area
  • 00:41:58
    specifically from um the Silver Eyes
  • 00:42:01
    Twisted ones Twisted on yes second one
  • 00:42:04
    um yeah it's I mean yes I think that
  • 00:42:08
    absolutely could be some lore importance
  • 00:42:09
    to a lake that that'd be cool like I'd
  • 00:42:11
    love that to me the lake was always just
  • 00:42:14
    symbolic though of like old man like the
  • 00:42:15
    whole theme of old man consequences
  • 00:42:17
    though is like I mean his line is leave
  • 00:42:20
    the demon to his demons rest right and
  • 00:42:22
    so when you think about like an old man
  • 00:42:25
    resting like oh it's a lake know like
  • 00:42:27
    it's it's a peaceful tranquil experience
  • 00:42:29
    in a lot of ways and so for me well on
  • 00:42:33
    one hand I could see like oh there's a
  • 00:42:35
    lot of Lake imagery and there's drowning
  • 00:42:37
    and this and that it kind of goes
  • 00:42:38
    against what old man consequences was
  • 00:42:40
    originally meant to symbolize right
  • 00:42:42
    which was this idea of like hey calm
  • 00:42:44
    down let let go of your vengeful
  • 00:42:47
    feelings to this guy allow yourself to
  • 00:42:50
    pass on to the next
  • 00:42:51
    life let him suffer you don't have to
  • 00:42:54
    suffer with him right and so for the L
  • 00:42:57
    in question to be the lake where he
  • 00:43:00
    drowned and this and that feels
  • 00:43:02
    antithetical to what that scene was
  • 00:43:05
    originally meant to be H that's my
  • 00:43:08
    thought like it's meant to be a place of
  • 00:43:09
    Serenity and peace and like hey like you
  • 00:43:12
    just got to calm down right I always
  • 00:43:13
    took the lake as like a H you've got the
  • 00:43:15
    red old man consequences like where it's
  • 00:43:17
    like
  • 00:43:17
    hey leave leave William Do Your Own
  • 00:43:20
    Thing uh and then connecting it with the
  • 00:43:22
    Twisted ones I I sort I always took that
  • 00:43:25
    as a sort of you should have left things
  • 00:43:28
    as they were but you didn't and now
  • 00:43:29
    everything's going wrong again yeah you
  • 00:43:31
    think so you think it's more aggressive
  • 00:43:33
    than that um I I I think there could be
  • 00:43:35
    multiple meanings there yeah of course
  • 00:43:37
    where it's like resting should have
  • 00:43:39
    occurred but I don't think it did um and
  • 00:43:42
    so this is sort of a connection back in
  • 00:43:44
    a way I don't know no no I think that's
  • 00:43:46
    a that's that's a fair interpretation I
  • 00:43:48
    just never it's I again like with Five
  • 00:43:51
    Nights at Freddy's there's like 500 ways
  • 00:43:53
    to interpret everything so it's
  • 00:43:54
    interesting there are like three
  • 00:43:55
    confirmed things ever honestly like
  • 00:43:58
    that's I think the grand total is
  • 00:43:59
    there's three things yep yep confirmed
  • 00:44:02
    yeah information so helpful why is time
  • 00:44:05
    and time again fredbear associated with
  • 00:44:07
    drowning and red Lakes what could that
  • 00:44:09
    even mean I was stumped for a while
  • 00:44:12
    until somebody reminded me of a passage
  • 00:44:15
    from the very first Five Nights at
  • 00:44:16
    Freddy's novel The Silver Eyes William
  • 00:44:19
    Aton had trapped Carlton inside of a
  • 00:44:21
    spring lock suit and to mess with him
  • 00:44:23
    and intimidate him a bit he graphically
  • 00:44:25
    describes what happens if you die via a
  • 00:44:27
    spring lock failure to which he says
  • 00:44:30
    you'll try to scream but you will be
  • 00:44:32
    unable to your vocal cords will be
  • 00:44:34
    severed and your lungs will fill with
  • 00:44:35
    your own blood until you drown in it
  • 00:44:38
    there was a far away look in his eyes
  • 00:44:40
    and Carlton knew with chilling certainty
  • 00:44:42
    that Dave wasn't predicting he was
  • 00:44:43
    reminiscing drowning in your own blood
  • 00:44:46
    it's a horrible and graphic way to go
  • 00:44:50
    but isn't that just Aon reminiscing
  • 00:44:51
    about him cuz I I remember this passage
  • 00:44:53
    right I've read I've read these books
  • 00:44:54
    I've Revisited the books a bunch of
  • 00:44:56
    times at this point Point like this is
  • 00:44:59
    to me I read that as Afton was literally
  • 00:45:02
    drowning in his own blood when he got
  • 00:45:04
    spring lock yeah like he he has
  • 00:45:05
    experienced what it is to be spring lock
  • 00:45:07
    like the big reveal at the end of this
  • 00:45:10
    is him showing like look at my scars
  • 00:45:12
    from when I was spring lock and it's
  • 00:45:13
    like hey dude keep your weird mascot
  • 00:45:15
    costume on like no one asked to see this
  • 00:45:18
    but he's like look at me but yeah that
  • 00:45:20
    that's the way I've always interpreted
  • 00:45:22
    that is like he's like oh I I remember
  • 00:45:24
    drowning in my own blood too hey NE
  • 00:45:27
    connection but I think it's just
  • 00:45:29
    supposed to be like chilling language
  • 00:45:31
    you I don't think Scott was thinking
  • 00:45:32
    this far ahead with the Silver Eyes
  • 00:45:35
    Trilogy certainly not oh one that
  • 00:45:38
    William has seen before and I would
  • 00:45:40
    think an apt metaphor for this method is
  • 00:45:43
    drowning in a lake of red several times
  • 00:45:45
    in this franchise we hear that dying
  • 00:45:47
    from a spring lock is a terrible
  • 00:45:49
    agonizing way to go a Agony sorry sorry
  • 00:45:53
    I had to do it that's like my
  • 00:45:55
    counterpart like in your Agony Agony oo
  • 00:45:59
    I like it oh it's like grv it's
  • 00:46:01
    gr the ven diagram dictates that it goes
  • 00:46:04
    low low horrible death so if William
  • 00:46:08
    killed the other missing child incident
  • 00:46:10
    victims and stashed their bodies in the
  • 00:46:12
    animatronics but for the vengeful Spirit
  • 00:46:15
    put them alive inside of the fredbear
  • 00:46:17
    spring lock suit and triggered the
  • 00:46:19
    spring locks that might be the
  • 00:46:21
    difference that might cause enough Agony
  • 00:46:24
    to allow the vengful spirit the ability
  • 00:46:26
    to cause ultimate custom KN sure all of
  • 00:46:29
    the missing child incident victims want
  • 00:46:31
    revenge on William Aton but they get it
  • 00:46:33
    when William Aton dies via spring lock
  • 00:46:35
    the vengeful Spirit though is not
  • 00:46:38
    satisfied there so if we accept that and
  • 00:46:41
    this gets to one point which I think is
  • 00:46:43
    always important for me to address with
  • 00:46:46
    with the theories that I used to do and
  • 00:46:48
    and theorizing about this franchise in
  • 00:46:49
    general is like how deep do you need the
  • 00:46:51
    answers to get yeah cuz like for me I
  • 00:46:57
    don't necessarily need to know how
  • 00:47:00
    specifically this eventful Spirit died
  • 00:47:02
    right like to me it's like he's
  • 00:47:04
    different because he was more brutally
  • 00:47:06
    treated than the other ones and I feel
  • 00:47:08
    like that's kind of the general
  • 00:47:09
    consensus that people have agreed to it
  • 00:47:11
    feels like there's some suggestion of I
  • 00:47:14
    do think uh the it's possible that the
  • 00:47:16
    kid was dying and the spring locks made
  • 00:47:18
    it worse I could see that being like Oh
  • 00:47:20
    that made it more painful but honestly I
  • 00:47:22
    could also just see it be this kid was
  • 00:47:24
    especially salty yeah as salty as some
  • 00:47:27
    kids are just more salty than others
  • 00:47:28
    yeah no 100% right I'm I am mad that you
  • 00:47:31
    killed me right and so on one hand I I
  • 00:47:33
    get why we want to answer every minute
  • 00:47:37
    detail down to like the final question
  • 00:47:39
    right like we We crave those answers and
  • 00:47:41
    we we have to have them but it's also
  • 00:47:43
    like one of those things where you see
  • 00:47:44
    it leveled at Star Wars or like a lot of
  • 00:47:46
    the Nostalgia bait stuff at this point
  • 00:47:48
    where it's like I didn't need to know
  • 00:47:49
    how Han Solo got his name but they gave
  • 00:47:52
    it to me anyway or like you know I
  • 00:47:54
    didn't need to see the kessle run or
  • 00:47:55
    whatever it's like in this case do I
  • 00:47:58
    need to have an official answer as to
  • 00:48:01
    what specifically happened to
  • 00:48:03
    Cassidy not really it's just the the
  • 00:48:06
    different one you know if that helps me
  • 00:48:08
    identify who the vengeful spirit is I
  • 00:48:10
    think that becomes important right like
  • 00:48:11
    I know earlier this year we reacted to
  • 00:48:13
    dual process theory yes and if like hey
  • 00:48:16
    the way that this kid died supports or
  • 00:48:20
    deconfirm dual process Theory or
  • 00:48:21
    something that we've said in the past or
  • 00:48:22
    whatever now all of a sudden it's like
  • 00:48:24
    yes that's really awesome I want to know
  • 00:48:26
    that because it's getting me to the
  • 00:48:28
    question that I I really have which is
  • 00:48:30
    whomst whomst yeah whom thou just
  • 00:48:34
    generally speaking because I've been
  • 00:48:35
    more on the outskirts of the theorizing
  • 00:48:38
    community for the past like two and a
  • 00:48:39
    half years or so but there has
  • 00:48:40
    definitely been a shift towards more of
  • 00:48:43
    like a narrative sense of like
  • 00:48:45
    fulfillment right so asking these sorts
  • 00:48:49
    of questions to me feels like I want to
  • 00:48:50
    get answers for the general story less
  • 00:48:52
    so than let's look at the lore and
  • 00:48:54
    evidence and detail detail detail this
  • 00:48:55
    is more like I want a story that makes
  • 00:48:58
    sense and so with the with like the
  • 00:49:00
    timeline Marathon that people went on
  • 00:49:03
    with things like dual process where we
  • 00:49:05
    literally reanalyzed everything to make
  • 00:49:07
    this two 2our and some change video of a
  • 00:49:10
    story that feels right and has fun arcs
  • 00:49:14
    if there is a vengeful Spirit naturally
  • 00:49:16
    you're going to want to know how they
  • 00:49:17
    died to make them that way so I
  • 00:49:19
    definitely see that movement happening
  • 00:49:21
    but I also totally understand where it's
  • 00:49:22
    like is that detail necessary to figure
  • 00:49:25
    out a story and and a timeline of of of
  • 00:49:29
    FNAF with all of the information that we
  • 00:49:31
    have right does every little detail need
  • 00:49:33
    to be SE a big thing with FNAF is
  • 00:49:35
    because so little is confirmed you have
  • 00:49:37
    to sort of fill in all the gaps yourself
  • 00:49:38
    and we there there's an probably an
  • 00:49:41
    answer that could exist if Scott were to
  • 00:49:43
    decide to put an answer there but we we
  • 00:49:46
    have the information we have and we can
  • 00:49:48
    make guesses but it's hard to be like
  • 00:49:51
    this is what is going on with why this
  • 00:49:53
    character does this thing we know the
  • 00:49:55
    character does said thing but we don't
  • 00:49:57
    always know why and we can like head
  • 00:49:58
    Cannon oh I think this happened because
  • 00:50:01
    this yeah but it's there there most of
  • 00:50:04
    the lore in FNAF seems to be focused on
  • 00:50:06
    saying here are the things that happened
  • 00:50:08
    not why the things happened yeah yes no
  • 00:50:11
    I I think that's I think that's a really
  • 00:50:12
    good distinction to call out I think
  • 00:50:14
    that's really smart um and I think
  • 00:50:16
    you're also right to call out that there
  • 00:50:18
    has been this like General shift in the
  • 00:50:20
    fan base where when you have 30 books of
  • 00:50:23
    questional canonicity and you have
  • 00:50:27
    games some of which are of questionable
  • 00:50:29
    canonicity and you like honestly like
  • 00:50:32
    into the pit is a great example but like
  • 00:50:33
    FNAF world was questionably Canon for a
  • 00:50:36
    long time I think for everyone's sanity
  • 00:50:38
    there has been that kind of correct call
  • 00:50:41
    to kind of push Beyond like let's count
  • 00:50:43
    animatronic toes and fingers which is
  • 00:50:45
    what my bread and butter was back in the
  • 00:50:46
    day and instead exactly to your point
  • 00:50:49
    what is the narrative satisfaction like
  • 00:50:51
    what are the broad Strokes of this story
  • 00:50:53
    especially as the narrative has gotten
  • 00:50:55
    more focused with with with that as the
  • 00:50:57
    games have progressed it's gotten more
  • 00:50:58
    and more narrative based because you
  • 00:51:00
    start with FNAF one your guy in an
  • 00:51:01
    office flipping through cams and it's
  • 00:51:04
    just like thing happened in the past and
  • 00:51:05
    now the animatronics are haunted and now
  • 00:51:07
    we have uh security breach and ruin and
  • 00:51:11
    help wanted to and it seems to be a lot
  • 00:51:13
    more narrative driven yeah 10 years
  • 00:51:15
    worth of content of course people are
  • 00:51:17
    going to want to look for that payoff
  • 00:51:19
    right so it makes sense that there is
  • 00:51:21
    this shift happening but again to your
  • 00:51:23
    point like we have we to work exactly
  • 00:51:26
    right and and the whole franchise is
  • 00:51:28
    this idea of like what is your personal
  • 00:51:30
    head Cannon about what happened you know
  • 00:51:32
    like what what the story that you choose
  • 00:51:34
    and and yeah like I think with help
  • 00:51:35
    wanted to and and some of the stuff that
  • 00:51:37
    steel wool's been doing recently you see
  • 00:51:39
    them trying to kind of like put buttons
  • 00:51:41
    on things or kind of put more solid
  • 00:51:43
    stamps on things the thing that comes to
  • 00:51:45
    my mind is like the order of the kids
  • 00:51:47
    deaths right like in help wanted two you
  • 00:51:50
    very clearly get like here's the grave
  • 00:51:51
    lighting ceremony and
  • 00:51:54
    yeah i' I've triggered off camera I've
  • 00:51:57
    triggered something with ID's fantasy
  • 00:51:59
    who has thoughts and feelings I think
  • 00:52:01
    it's more likely the order they moved on
  • 00:52:03
    because the graves are typically shown
  • 00:52:05
    in conjunction with the spirits moving
  • 00:52:07
    on like at the end of FNAF 6 um you once
  • 00:52:10
    you have the fire you're shown the
  • 00:52:12
    graves and that's them moving on right
  • 00:52:15
    presum until they didn't um until not
  • 00:52:19
    that's how they get you every time the
  • 00:52:20
    kick and so with you're doing it wrong
  • 00:52:23
    guys you're doing it wrong and so with
  • 00:52:26
    the graves in help wanted to I I don't
  • 00:52:30
    think it's possible for Charlie to be
  • 00:52:32
    the last one to die based on Henry
  • 00:52:34
    saying the wound first inflicted on me
  • 00:52:37
    aha this is where I get to call in the
  • 00:52:39
    meeting that I had yesterday with Tom
  • 00:52:43
    but like that amongst other things like
  • 00:52:45
    I think it makes sense uh based on uh
  • 00:52:49
    the song title for the miname where we
  • 00:52:52
    find out how Charlie possessed the
  • 00:52:53
    puppet is called alchemist's fantasy
  • 00:52:55
    yeah um and I must be confused with ID's
  • 00:52:58
    fantasy the way I sort of uh took that
  • 00:53:01
    song title was this was how William
  • 00:53:06
    found out about the like Alchemists had
  • 00:53:08
    their whole deal with trying to find the
  • 00:53:09
    elixir of life um and so I sort of
  • 00:53:12
    interpreted that as like William had a
  • 00:53:14
    passion murder of Charlie yeah and
  • 00:53:16
    that's what led him to discovering
  • 00:53:18
    having his Alchemist fantasy of
  • 00:53:20
    discovering Remnant when she possessed
  • 00:53:21
    the puppet MH um which then led to him
  • 00:53:25
    actually going out and doing all these
  • 00:53:27
    extra murders that didn't seem to have
  • 00:53:28
    as firm of a motive as his jealousy of
  • 00:53:30
    Henry as that's sort of established in I
  • 00:53:33
    wish I wish that were the case yeah to
  • 00:53:35
    be honest uh but part of another part of
  • 00:53:37
    the reason I put uh the graves and help
  • 00:53:39
    wanted to as the more likely releasing
  • 00:53:41
    order is at the end of uh FNAF 3's
  • 00:53:44
    happiest day the puppet's mask is the
  • 00:53:46
    last one to fall sure so with with that
  • 00:53:50
    logic in mind as well as uh golden
  • 00:53:52
    Freddy uh being the second to last and
  • 00:53:55
    golden Freddy's stuck around to for the
  • 00:53:57
    nightmare coma yeah Charlie's name is in
  • 00:53:59
    the files for security breach on the
  • 00:54:01
    Post-it room door and stuff like that I
  • 00:54:04
    think it's I think it works better being
  • 00:54:07
    the moving on order especially when you
  • 00:54:10
    can't factor in help sorry I have a lot
  • 00:54:11
    of thoughts on this no great it's great
  • 00:54:13
    we've unlocked all the thoughts yeah and
  • 00:54:15
    and when you factor in uh the original
  • 00:54:17
    Help Wanted um you see there's uh I
  • 00:54:21
    think Chica and Bonnie set up and then
  • 00:54:25
    on the ground there's Freddy uh like not
  • 00:54:28
    like disassembled presumably um and then
  • 00:54:30
    we go on stage at the end of the pizza
  • 00:54:32
    party mini game and we are the spirit in
  • 00:54:34
    Freddy yeah so to me that sort of
  • 00:54:36
    implies the order of deaths would be
  • 00:54:38
    chica Bonnie Freddy meanwhile the grave
  • 00:54:40
    order uh is chica foxy Freddy Bonnie
  • 00:54:43
    golden Freddy so I don't think that the
  • 00:54:46
    grave order and help wanted to is
  • 00:54:47
    definitive Definitive enough to say for
  • 00:54:49
    sure that this is the order that they
  • 00:54:51
    died sure I to the to the cuz this is
  • 00:54:54
    the the one that I I know frustrated me
  • 00:54:57
    too which is the wound first inflicted
  • 00:54:59
    on Meine Yeah the secret of the mimic
  • 00:55:01
    could give me something else to put
  • 00:55:02
    there but until then no and I and I
  • 00:55:05
    think that that's what it is like I
  • 00:55:06
    think all of us have collectively been
  • 00:55:08
    assuming like the wound first inflicted
  • 00:55:09
    on me he killed your your daughter right
  • 00:55:11
    like that's very clearly what that's
  • 00:55:12
    referencing I have a feeling the fact
  • 00:55:15
    that secret of the mimic the new teaser
  • 00:55:17
    trailer that's out uh advertising
  • 00:55:19
    whatever the new game is going to be
  • 00:55:21
    yeah there's an Easter egg in it you
  • 00:55:23
    know where it says like 1979 and so it's
  • 00:55:25
    very clear earliest point in the
  • 00:55:26
    timeline ear point in the timeline um
  • 00:55:29
    but there is clues that are coming let's
  • 00:55:33
    see this is going up after the FNAF
  • 00:55:35
    Theory comes out so I I can talk about
  • 00:55:37
    it in the past tense uh which is cool
  • 00:55:39
    but basically uh in a game theory that
  • 00:55:41
    Tom put together that has gone up a a
  • 00:55:43
    couple weeks ago as as this airs but a
  • 00:55:47
    week in advance as we film it right now
  • 00:55:49
    so we're in a weird middle time zone
  • 00:55:52
    here then diagrams ladies and gentlemen
  • 00:55:55
    um the uh so since the beginning since
  • 00:55:58
    FNAF 1 there have been three paper plate
  • 00:56:00
    Pals yes uh there is a bear there is a
  • 00:56:04
    bunny and there's a third one that's
  • 00:56:06
    just named buddy it's a very random one
  • 00:56:09
    here I can fascinating yeah it's I can I
  • 00:56:11
    can pull it up for you here cool there
  • 00:56:13
    they are the three of them yay um yeah
  • 00:56:16
    bear bunny the other guy and other guy
  • 00:56:20
    named buddy right the thought is hey is
  • 00:56:23
    this a reference to
  • 00:56:27
    the the three guys you know Henry
  • 00:56:30
    William the mimic oh who's there in the
  • 00:56:33
    very beginning right um what's also
  • 00:56:36
    what's interesting about right because
  • 00:56:37
    since the beginning you have a bear and
  • 00:56:39
    a bunny and then a third one right
  • 00:56:42
    what's also interesting is so he's a
  • 00:56:44
    clown he's wearing this clown mask right
  • 00:56:46
    yes and in in the in the secret of the
  • 00:56:51
    mimic trailer this thing pops out and
  • 00:56:53
    it's wearing a clown mask and it's
  • 00:56:54
    presumably the mimic right if you look
  • 00:56:56
    up the history of clowns there are three
  • 00:56:58
    types of
  • 00:56:59
    clowns in in like clown culture right
  • 00:57:02
    there's clown culture yeah in clown
  • 00:57:03
    culture there's three types of there's
  • 00:57:05
    the white face clown who's the leader
  • 00:57:07
    he's the serious one for the most part
  • 00:57:09
    he's the one trying to get stuff done
  • 00:57:10
    right then there is the AUST clown who
  • 00:57:14
    is basically the Workman uh who is the
  • 00:57:17
    one who is the butt end of the jokes uh
  • 00:57:20
    who who is the one who means well but
  • 00:57:23
    ultimately like fails in a lot of ways
  • 00:57:25
    and then there's the third type of clown
  • 00:57:27
    who's the non AUST clown uh which is
  • 00:57:30
    basically what if you look up the
  • 00:57:31
    description it mimics the white face
  • 00:57:35
    clown wild oh it it is a clown whose the
  • 00:57:38
    comedic beats are that he mimics what
  • 00:57:41
    the leader is trying to do but in a
  • 00:57:42
    comedic way right okay and so if you're
  • 00:57:45
    going into clown culture yes of course
  • 00:57:47
    I'm to be honest I thought it was just a
  • 00:57:49
    reference to Sister location right but
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    well well but it is right so I think it
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    also connects to why is ennard's random
  • 00:57:55
    mask the centerpiece of that Hub that
  • 00:57:57
    you first walk into it's because it's
  • 00:58:00
    since 1979 there has been this mimic
  • 00:58:03
    clown thing that's been an important
  • 00:58:05
    part of this threesome okay right so
  • 00:58:07
    it's it's this Trio of things whatever
  • 00:58:10
    um but you have William Aton as the
  • 00:58:13
    white face clown the leaders trying to
  • 00:58:15
    get things done you have Henry as the
  • 00:58:16
    Workman who means well but ultimately
  • 00:58:19
    like is a fool backstabbed whatever and
  • 00:58:22
    then you have the mimic who learns
  • 00:58:24
    everything and copies the white face
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    clown of William Aton which is really
  • 00:58:29
    interesting that also solidifies the the
  • 00:58:31
    clown imagery it also explains why since
  • 00:58:34
    1979 there are three of them yeah kicker
  • 00:58:38
    of this episode if you haven't seen it
  • 00:58:39
    what did you haven't yet CU it hasn't
  • 00:58:40
    released yet guess what uh what move the
  • 00:58:43
    paper P the what guess mimic ball or
  • 00:58:46
    something mimic ball yep true the the
  • 00:58:50
    move in FNAF world you can play as the
  • 00:58:52
    paper plate Pals they have a couple
  • 00:58:54
    moves one of the moves mimic ball mimic
  • 00:58:58
    great I hate that I think that's a
  • 00:59:00
    really interesting idea right it's
  • 00:59:02
    really interesting still I'm still
  • 00:59:04
    personally pretty certain Charlie is the
  • 00:59:06
    first death which is where this started
  • 00:59:08
    from yeah I know I know yeah but anyway
  • 00:59:10
    the reason I say the
  • 00:59:12
    reason is that I could see help I could
  • 00:59:15
    see them like finding a way to make it
  • 00:59:17
    not that's what I'm thinking like until
  • 00:59:19
    they make it not I've got the novels
  • 00:59:21
    having her die in 82 or 83 I've got like
  • 00:59:25
    she she had to somehow put the souls
  • 00:59:26
    into the animatronics or whatever she
  • 00:59:28
    had going on and give gifts give life
  • 00:59:29
    yeah and it would make the most sense in
  • 00:59:31
    that case for her to have been before
  • 00:59:33
    them yeah I don't disagree I think it it
  • 00:59:35
    could be a case where she died before
  • 00:59:36
    and also the mimic happened so no it's
  • 00:59:39
    it could be but yeah it's the the
  • 00:59:42
    gravestones feel so important and it
  • 00:59:46
    drives me nuts because it's like I agree
  • 00:59:48
    with you I think it makes so much sense
  • 00:59:50
    for Charlie to be the first one for so
  • 00:59:51
    many reasons like it's the first murder
  • 00:59:53
    it's the thing that sets William down
  • 00:59:55
    his path it's the most odd of the
  • 00:59:57
    murders and so like that's what starts
  • 00:59:59
    him like that's how serial killers tend
  • 01:00:00
    to operate all of that stuff speaking of
  • 01:00:02
    uh moving on I have some thoughts about
  • 01:00:04
    moving on but it is time for us to be
  • 01:00:07
    moving on yes for the day because we
  • 01:00:09
    have crossed the hour and 10 minute Mark
  • 01:00:11
    so wow uh I'm going to be moving on okay
  • 01:00:14
    in my life for now we got halfway
  • 01:00:16
    through the video I was going to say we
  • 01:00:17
    got halfway through the video I think we
  • 01:00:18
    can finish this up future wise next time
  • 01:00:22
    yeah you're still in town for a little
  • 01:00:24
    bit we sit you back on the couch put you
  • 01:00:26
    to work again it'll be great we we'll
  • 01:00:28
    finish up this FNAF Theory and we'll
  • 01:00:29
    debate the order of moving on because I
  • 01:00:32
    think there's some interesting thoughts
  • 01:00:33
    to unpack there and I don't think we've
  • 01:00:34
    even gotten to R toast's theory about
  • 01:00:36
    who's certainly not certainly not so uh
  • 01:00:39
    more more on all of this later but thank
  • 01:00:42
    you for being here thank you for man
  • 01:00:44
    things yeah thank you for Manning things
  • 01:00:46
    behind the camera thank you Ash as
  • 01:00:47
    always and thank you guys most
  • 01:00:49
    importantly of all for sticking through
  • 01:00:52
    10 plus years of us debating the the DI
  • 01:00:56
    of Agony and Remnant and where the twain
  • 01:00:58
    shall meet uh but until we solve it
  • 01:01:01
    which will be next time we're wrong and
  • 01:01:04
    you're right to be watching us uh as
  • 01:01:06
    always remember it wasn't a live stream
  • 01:01:08
    but it was a video a video for you see
  • 01:01:12
    you
  • 01:01:13
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