Science and the Quran: A Critique of Weak Arguments for the Truth | Shaykh Dr Sohaib Saeed

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Summary

TLDRThe speaker announces the launch of a new online Islamic community focused on education, which offers courses, interactive sessions, and live events, with all proceeds going to charity. They then discuss the importance of critical thinking when approaching the Quran, particularly arguing against the uses of weak or false arguments to defend Islamic teachings. The speaker critiques the way scientific and linguistic miracles are often assigned to Quranic texts inappropriately, highlighting the tendency to use them as superficial proofs of the Quran's divine nature. They emphasize the need for more scholarly engagement with Islam, suggesting that individuals must analyze arguments critically and nurture a genuine understanding of the Quran without over-reliance on supposed miracles that aren't substantiated within the text. The conclusion stresses intellectual honesty and depth in Islamic studies.

Takeaways

  • 🌐 Launch of a new online Islamic learning community.
  • 📚 Provides courses, lectures, and live events.
  • 💡 Emphasizes critical thinking about Quranic teachings.
  • ❓ Questions the integrity of weak Islamic arguments.
  • 🔍 Critiques misuse of scientific miracles in the Quran.
  • 🧠 Encourages deeper intellectual engagement with Islam.
  • 🔑 Highlights the importance of scholarly study of the Quran.
  • ⚠️ Warns against reliance on misinterpreted Quranic miracles.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The launch of an online Islamic education community is announced, featuring courses, lectures, and Q&A sessions, with all proceeds going to charity. Individual reflection follows on Islamic studies, involving historical insights and personal experiences with Quranic sciences.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    A personal anecdote is shared about publishing a book on Quranic miracles, initially unintended. The discussion veers towards the truth of the Quran and how to convince others, stressing the growth and nurturing of personal faith through constant engagement with the Quran.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The speaker raises critical questions about using weak arguments in Islamic discourse, warning against building faith on shaky foundations as such arguments might not withstand scrutiny and could lead to disillusionment.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Discussing the Quran's linguistic miracles, the speaker questions the nature of its miraculous elements, whether singular or cumulative, and critiques contemporary challenges to its uniqueness, prompting reflection on the need for honest discourse in Islamic advocacy.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Addressing modern challenges like AI, the speaker argues against accepting purported Quranic replications, emphasizing the historical context and subjective reception of the Quran's challenges as reasons why such replications won't be accepted in the Islamic community.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Concern is expressed over the liberal use of the term 'miracle' for Quranic phenomena, cautioning against equating beauty or structure with miracles. A call is made to focus on genuinely miraculous aspects while avoiding inflated claims that dilute the term's significance.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Common flaws in miracle claims are highlighted, such as missing the Quran's intended guidance, misjudging its historical understanding, and displaying certainty where it should not exist. The speaker advocates for a more critical and thoughtful approach to Quranic interpretation.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Examples of flawed scientific miracle claims are critiqued, demonstrating the dangers of postulating scientific accuracy in Quranic verses. The importance of contextual and historical analysis to prevent misinterpretations is emphasized.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    A narrative around Quranic cosmology and Islamic history critiques simplistic interpretations of Quranic verses. The historical and scientific grounding of classical scholars is exemplified by their nuanced approach to reconciling Quranic content with empirical evidence.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Two examples from classical exegesis illustrate how historical scholars approached apparent Quranic contradictions on creation order, and relate scientific understanding to Quranic interpretation, showcasing the flexible yet rigorous methodology.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    The pitfalls of reading the Quran through a purely scientific lens without consideration of language and context are discussed, promoting an alternative approach that allows for scientific insights to enhance Quranic interpretation without dominating it.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:00:00

    The speaker critiques the claim of Quranic miracles reflecting modern scientific understanding, using examples to illustrate the risks of definitive claims that may later be contradicted by scientific developments.

  • 01:00:00 - 01:05:00

    Warnings against constructing faith around scientifically dubious claims are given, citing examples of such claims that led to both conversions and deconversions. Emphasis is on ensuring Quranic interpretations are critically tested and robust.

  • 01:05:00 - 01:10:00

    The speaker presents an alternative to scientific miracle interpretations, highlighting classical methods of Quranic exegesis that respect both linguistic norms and scientific insights without conflating the two into miraculous claims.

  • 01:10:00 - 01:15:00

    An analysis of famous miracle claims, such as bees having multiple stomachs, highlights misunderstandings, encouraging a return to traditional linguistic analysis over speculative scientific alignment.

  • 01:15:00 - 01:23:48

    The talk concludes with recommendations that emphasize the importance of studying the world for better Quranic understanding, and ensuring any arguments for Islam are critically tested and robustly constructed, fostering sound faith development.

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Video Q&A

  • What does the new online community provide?

    The community offers transformative Islamic learning experiences, including courses, lectures, live events, and Q&A sessions.

  • Where do the profits from the online community go?

    Profits from the online community go to charity.

  • What is the speaker's stance on using weak arguments for Islam?

    The speaker focuses on ensuring arguments for Islam are strong and truthful, not based on false premises.

  • How should the Quran be approached according to the speaker?

    The Quran should not rely on false scientific or linguistic miracles but should be appreciated through scholarly and truthful study.

  • Why does the speaker argue against using purported scientific miracles in the Quran?

    The video highlights dangers of depending on misinterpreted miracles, advocating for deeper understanding and engagement with the Quran.

  • What does the speaker recommend when forming arguments for Islamic teachings?

    The speaker advises examining and challenging one's arguments to ensure they are strong and intellectually honest.

  • How does the speaker view scientific miracles in the Quran?

    The speaker believes many claims of scientific miracles in the Quran involve misinterpretation and sometimes distortion of text.

  • What risks do weak arguments pose to Islamic faith according to the video?

    The speaker warns that weak arguments can be easily overturned, leading to doubt and weakened faith in Islam.

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  • 00:00:00
    asalamu alaykum we're really excited to
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    announce the launch of our new online
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    community on school where you can
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    transform your learning with exclusive
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    Islamic education you can find courses
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    lectures Live Events Q&A sessions and
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    more with all revenue generated being
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    dedicated to the K if you're interested
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    in signing up simply click the link in
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    the description and we'll send you more
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    information on our launchd
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    [Music]
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    and my heartfelt thanks to Kara
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    foundation for putting on this event for
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    us and of course to Sheik yusf for
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    opening with this very penetrating
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    historical Insight that helps us frame
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    some of the main
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    Concepts and all of that as to my own
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    thought process as I personally try to
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    get to grips with some of these Concepts
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    and apply them to what I know about the
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    Quran what I experience of the Quran
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    what I teach about the
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    Quran because my primary field that I'm
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    interested in is the field
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    of and that's why I've given the
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    subtitle after and science to in defense
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    of
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    T and some of you may know that my
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    handle on on the social media his at
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    doctor right and that was at first let's
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    to say optimistically before I got my
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    PhD and then after that it
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    became
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    alhamdulillah so when I was 17 I did
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    something very
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    naughty I published a book called
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    astonishing facts of the Holy Quran and
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    actually this was some work that I did
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    and it wasn't intended to be a book it
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    was a local radio Ramadan Series in
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    glasow and then I put it on a website
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    that I had at that time and then some
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    Indian Publishers found it and they
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    turned it into a book and a few years
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    later my brother forwarded me this and
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    said is that your book and turn said it
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    was indeed my book astonishing facts of
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    the Holy Quran in which I patched
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    together some of my own work and various
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    things found on the internet that talked
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    about evidence for the truth of the
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    Quran and among those things prominent
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    aspect was the scientific miracles of
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    the
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    Quran and then I
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    started and uh the repentance from this
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    book is ongoing that's why I have to do
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    these kind of presentations to offset
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    whatever happened since this book came
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    out and I beg the Publishers to stop
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    publishing it but they keep reprinting
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    it so your duty now is to give me the
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    promise that you will never buy this
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    book okay if you want to buy this one
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    that's fine okay but this one here I'm
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    showing you only to warn against it as
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    the called did in the books
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    of right only to warn against
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    it so the aspect that I still actually
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    feel happy about when I look back at
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    this piece of work was that it took a
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    broader angle and a broader approach to
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    this question of how do I know that
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    Islam is true how do I know particularly
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    that the Quran is true which is not the
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    only way to know that Islam is true and
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    that the prophet sallallahu alaihi
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    wasallam is true but is a big part of it
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    do we know that the Quran is true so
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    that we can call people to follow us in
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    the Quran what do we want from all this
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    discussion that we're having about
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    number one to be convinced by the Quran
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    number two to be convincing to others
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    who might not yet be convinced and being
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    convinced is not just a matter of well
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    alhamdulillah I've taken my shahada I'm
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    here in Kara Foundation obviously I've
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    done enough to get to this point but
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    Iman and faith is something which grows
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    and something which a constant
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    engagement with the Quran in the right
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    way would cause our faith to continue to
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    grow and that's the case as I study and
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    I might be in preparation for some
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    lessons that we're going to give or some
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    lectures and you delve into the and you
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    think more deeply for your own self and
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    you say Subhan Allah this is the truth
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    this is a perfect book this is a
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    powerful discourse this has got depths
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    beyond what I knew before today and
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    depths which I'm sure I could never
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    entirely
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    exhaust so that conviction is something
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    that we want to always be
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    nurturing right that's a y phrase
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    nurturing conviction and that is why we
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    need to know
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    about these things which we Banner under
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    the title
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    of now these are some questions that are
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    in my mind and things that bother me and
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    things which concern me from dayto day
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    so I'm going to put these questions out
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    and I might say something about them but
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    I want us to keep them kind up in the
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    background of what we are going to be
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    thinking about and what we are going to
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    then discuss in the question and answers
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    as
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    well the first of these questions is
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    should we accept weak Arguments for
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    Islam someone comes to your daa table
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    your street dawa you do some kind of
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    linguistic jiu-jitsu
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    right and you manage to overpower them
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    in the instant and they say okay all
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    right ASU and they say the rest of the
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    shahada with you and they have now
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    become Muslim and then we forget about
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    them but apart from these problems is
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    that the type of thing that we're trying
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    to achieve you know you could argue it
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    you know we're just trying to save
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    people from the Hellfire maybe after
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    that they will grow in their
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    faith but when doing that is it okay to
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    use arguments that are not
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    actually accurate they are not
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    convincing to somebody else but they
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    were convincing to this
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    person could we sometimes be convincing
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    people who become convinced because of
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    their
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    ignorance because they don't know
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    perhaps the possible counterargument to
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    what you're saying your argument might
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    be very weak but it's strong enough for
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    one particular person so is this a valid
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    thing to be
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    doing because you know if I were to give
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    a talk about the miracle of the Quran
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    that wasn't today's talk and it was more
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    out in the public I'm assuming here
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    people are a little bit more ready for
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    some critical ideas if you weren't then
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    you would have left after shef's
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    presentation or during it but the fact
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    that you're still here means you're
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    ready for this type of discourse where
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    we want to actually do better want to do
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    better as a community we want to
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    strengthen the way that we are going to
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    present Islam to others and in the first
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    place we have to strengthen our own
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    perspective
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    is a strong religion to be defended with
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    weak arguments is the truth supposed to
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    be supported by falsehood that is to say
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    something like trickery where I pull the
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    rule over your eyes and I make you think
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    that something was uh a convincing
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    argument and you just didn't know any
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    better and so you accepted it have it
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    done right as you can probably tell by
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    asking the question my feeling is no we
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    wouldn't have done right and we should
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    not accept weak Arguments for Islam and
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    one of the main problems of it will be
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    is that one day that person will hear
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    the come to
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    argument and the structure that we built
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    out of weak arguments will be like the
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    house of cards that is blown over by the
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    slightest
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    wind so we have to think very carefully
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    about what we use to defend and promote
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    Islam another question that I
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    have just uh maybe we'll have some
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    perspectives on this later if we talk
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    about the Miracles of the
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    Quran does the Quran have one
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    Miracle does it have one type of
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    miracle and if we were to say we're
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    thinking specifically about linguistic
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    miracles for example is it one Ayah that
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    has a linguistic Miracle or many ayat
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    have a linguistic
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    Miracle are there 6,000 plus linguistic
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    Miracles if we were to say for example
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    in this Ayah I was so convinced by this
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    argument and this point about this Ayah
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    that was enough for me to become Muslim
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    we've seen this happening and there's
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    nothing strange about that so is the
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    quran's miracle in one place or is it a
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    cumulative effect so if we were to say
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    for example one argument might not be
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    convincing to everyone but another one
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    might be convincing to the other people
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    is the miracle actually lots of smaller
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    Miracles that make up one big miraculous
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    construct
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    number
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    three would we accept any attempt to
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    replicate the Quran today so we talked
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    about the historical argument and how in
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    a way that is a closed case the M the
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    objection the obstruction the
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    replication never
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    happened so that's a closed case but now
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    people are talking about oh what about
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    CH GPT and GPT 4 and GPT 5
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    right is mentioned in the Quran the GPT
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    right don't quote me on this one cut
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    from the record okay so this whole idea
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    that artificial intelligence will
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    actually be able to replicate the Quran
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    will be able to replicate the Quran
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    people are actually telling me that Dr
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    you need to do a course on this issue
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    right now is the hot issue of the time
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    the of you versus artificial
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    intelligence and I wonder why artificial
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    intelligence would be considered more
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    powerful than the collective
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    intelligence of the Arabs so I'm not
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    sure what the big deal
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    is but for me there's two reasons that
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    we should actually become more honest
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    about whether this challenge is still
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    open or not often times in our da
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    presentation we'll say anyone can
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    challenge the Quran at any
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    time but let's face
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    it if someone were to say oh actually I
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    have reproduce the Quran what will
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    happen is any one of us and are we
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    collectively as a community ever going
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    to say yeah actually you win you have
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    replicated the Quran there's two main
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    reasons why this will never
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    happen number one
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    because too much time has passed really
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    and the Arabic language was built upon
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    the foundations of the Quran shared with
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    us about even and then
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    especially the standards have been set
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    this is why I asked the question about
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    objectivity because in my view it would
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    not be possible now for someone to come
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    using the same tools and the same
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    language that was shaped by the Quran
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    for all these centuries and say I've
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    managed to use this to construct another
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    Quran the time for that was when the
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    Quran was still a new phenomenon not
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    when everything has now flowed out of
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    the Quran in the whole of our Islamic
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    history the second reason we wouldn't is
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    just because we wouldn't we will always
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    prefer the Quran and we will always
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    believe in the Quran and we're never
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    going to have a quote unquote objective
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    reception of any attempt to imitate it
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    if it is too similar to the Quran we'll
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    say you're just AP in the Quran if it's
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    too different we'll say that's nothing
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    to do with the
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    challenge we will say this is ineloquent
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    that's ineloquent we will attack it from
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    every
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    angle so that's okay I'm not saying that
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    we should welcome uh the challenge I'm
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    just saying we should perhaps be more
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    straightforward about the fact that this
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    challenge was
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    closed with respect to the L listic
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    aspect
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    certainly the last critical question
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    which underpins things that I'm going to
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    talk about is that we are maybe
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    overusing the category of to describe
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    our topic
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    so every single beautiful thing in the
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    Quran people will say about it and this
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    is the of the Quran so something can be
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    very beautiful can be very effective can
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    be very powerful can be very convincing
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    can be very perfectly
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    structured but we go straight to saying
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    this
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    is and that's actually okay if as long
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    as we understand that we're using the
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    term loosely we're using the term as a
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    catall for everything that is beautiful
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    and makes the Quran the Quran and makes
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    the Quran the perfect discourse that it
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    is but there can be a danger in
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    overusing this category especially if
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    people are going to invest it with all
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    that weight of the technical meaning of
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    Thea as we were informed of in the last
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    session so if you take it a in a more
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    General sense that these things are
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    ayat they are indicative signs that make
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    us feel that yes this is from God not a
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    self-contained argument not something
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    that would convince every skeptic but
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    perhaps more the thing that
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    cumulatively uh lets us see lets us
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    understand and lets us feel that we are
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    reading and hearing
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    the word of God so overusing thej
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    category I would add something
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    here people also started to throw lots
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    of things into the uh Under The Heading
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    of so we have for example the
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    preservation of the Quran the miracle of
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    the preservation of the
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    Quran where did we get this idea from
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    you know maybe sometime we can do
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    investigation as to where this first was
  • 00:13:53
    talked about the preservation of the
  • 00:13:56
    Quran is of course a necessity so that
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    we know whether the Quran that we have
  • 00:14:00
    is the Quran is the same Revelation that
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    came to the prophet sallallahu alaihi
  • 00:14:04
    wasallam and yes we believe in Divine
  • 00:14:07
    Providence and guidance for this to have
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    happened but all those people who were
  • 00:14:12
    preserving the
  • 00:14:13
    Quran they weren't doing so miraculously
  • 00:14:16
    they were investing effort by memorizing
  • 00:14:18
    it by writing it down by copying it
  • 00:14:20
    accurately by preserving it from from
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    all this angles of his recitation and
  • 00:14:24
    his writing and documenting exactly what
  • 00:14:27
    is in the mus and how it should be
  • 00:14:29
    and making sure that it's preserved this
  • 00:14:32
    is all by Divine Providence and by
  • 00:14:35
    Divine guidance but not
  • 00:14:38
    Supernatural when we talk about we
  • 00:14:41
    normally thinking of something
  • 00:14:42
    Supernatural and then people are using
  • 00:14:44
    that even as an argument for the truth
  • 00:14:46
    of the Quran see it's perly preserved
  • 00:14:48
    and that means it's from God with a
  • 00:14:51
    little bit of thought is clear that this
  • 00:14:53
    does not
  • 00:14:54
    follow and then they started to talk
  • 00:14:56
    about the miracle of
  • 00:14:57
    theat and and I started to ask next we
  • 00:15:01
    Miracle of or Miracle
  • 00:15:04
    of these are categories of scholarly
  • 00:15:07
    inquiry these are Quran as we saw the
  • 00:15:11
    the branches of Quran and these are
  • 00:15:13
    things that Scholars do and the way that
  • 00:15:15
    Scholars talk about what they do and the
  • 00:15:18
    way that they ensure that they are doing
  • 00:15:20
    their Duty towards the
  • 00:15:22
    Quran Miracles we need to focus on the
  • 00:15:24
    things that really qualify to fall into
  • 00:15:27
    this category
  • 00:15:31
    so these are some common weaknesses in
  • 00:15:33
    claims of Miracles and here I know that
  • 00:15:35
    you're expecting me to talk about the
  • 00:15:37
    scientific aspect and I will inshallah
  • 00:15:40
    but I wanted to perhaps just start with
  • 00:15:41
    a slightly broader
  • 00:15:43
    perspective so when people say about a
  • 00:15:46
    particular Ayah and a particular
  • 00:15:48
    interpretation of that Ayah that this
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    contains a
  • 00:15:52
    miracle that this is part of the of the
  • 00:15:55
    Quran this is a
  • 00:15:57
    miraculous verse in and of it
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    self these are some of the things that
  • 00:16:02
    happen frequently right this is almost
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    like Halal bingul where when I see these
  • 00:16:08
    things I like okay let's check off how
  • 00:16:09
    many of these things happen in the clan
  • 00:16:12
    number one missing the point Allah
  • 00:16:15
    subhana T sent his book with a purpose
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    of
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    guidance right he sent it with a purpose
  • 00:16:21
    of guidance and sometimes when people
  • 00:16:24
    are giving an argument like for example
  • 00:16:26
    they're reading a certain Ayah in a
  • 00:16:28
    scientific way
  • 00:16:30
    they are going away from what Allah
  • 00:16:33
    intended us to focus on and the point
  • 00:16:35
    that we were supposed to take from it if
  • 00:16:38
    you were to at least combine these two
  • 00:16:41
    then you in sap ground but sometimes
  • 00:16:43
    people they see as if the Ayah came to
  • 00:16:46
    make this point in order to establish
  • 00:16:48
    this miracle later on that well how
  • 00:16:52
    could someone have known that at the
  • 00:16:53
    time of
  • 00:16:54
    Revelation right so a lot of these
  • 00:16:56
    claims they end up missing the point
  • 00:16:59
    worse than that is sometimes attribute
  • 00:17:04
    ignorance and in fact a lot of the times
  • 00:17:07
    even out loud they attribute ignorance
  • 00:17:10
    of the Ayah to whom to the best
  • 00:17:12
    generations to the sahaba and those who
  • 00:17:15
    came after them and God knows what they
  • 00:17:17
    really think about the prophet's
  • 00:17:19
    knowledge sallallahu alaihi wasallam of
  • 00:17:21
    the Ayah itself because they say this
  • 00:17:23
    Ayah says something that no
  • 00:17:25
    one ever could have known until the 20th
  • 00:17:30
    century well then I ask you do you know
  • 00:17:34
    something then that the prophet
  • 00:17:35
    sallallahu Ali wasallam didn't know
  • 00:17:36
    about the Quran usually they don't say
  • 00:17:39
    this part out
  • 00:17:40
    loud but they often do say it couldn't
  • 00:17:43
    have been known except with modern
  • 00:17:45
    instruments so certainly they are
  • 00:17:47
    attributing this ignorance to the
  • 00:17:48
    sahabah they attributing this ignorance
  • 00:17:50
    to all the generations that came in
  • 00:17:52
    between and they are proud of saying
  • 00:17:54
    this they're actually proud of saying
  • 00:17:56
    this because this is the point I'm going
  • 00:17:58
    to share with with you a few videos
  • 00:17:59
    you'll hear these things coming up again
  • 00:18:01
    and again so attributing
  • 00:18:04
    ignorance we can see that there's a
  • 00:18:06
    problem here that we'd have to address
  • 00:18:08
    right it could be that there are certain
  • 00:18:11
    things that were not known to everyone
  • 00:18:12
    and the knowledge about the Quran could
  • 00:18:14
    grow in certain
  • 00:18:16
    ways but a lot of the times these people
  • 00:18:18
    are literally saying no one could have
  • 00:18:20
    possibly known what this a was even
  • 00:18:22
    talking about at all until we had modern
  • 00:18:26
    equipment that could tell us
  • 00:18:29
    what on Earth is a we have no idea 14
  • 00:18:32
    centuries and then someone records a
  • 00:18:34
    pulse Ah that's it now we figured it out
  • 00:18:37
    literally you're going to see a video
  • 00:18:38
    that says
  • 00:18:40
    this ad hoc arguments this is another
  • 00:18:43
    one of these uh problems that we have
  • 00:18:46
    including in the linguistic site people
  • 00:18:49
    will say look how wonderful this wording
  • 00:18:51
    is if it had been anything other than
  • 00:18:54
    this wording
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    right the whole thing would have fallen
  • 00:19:03
    apart it would not be eloquent at
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    all I'm going to say Ad hog I'll just
  • 00:19:09
    give you an example or two I was once in
  • 00:19:12
    a a circle with a
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    teacher and I'm just one of those
  • 00:19:18
    annoying students I would ask questions
  • 00:19:20
    and I'd make problems but this is how
  • 00:19:22
    you become a good student and insh one
  • 00:19:24
    day a good
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    teacher so you ask with adab of course
  • 00:19:28
    and I did
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    inshah so he said look we were reading
  • 00:19:33
    Al Iman and zakaram says you know how am
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    I supposed to have a
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    child when I have reached old age and my
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    wife is baren so the said look at this
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    ad masallah see he first talks about his
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    own defect before talking about his wife
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    that would be rude if he had done it
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    that way so I asked was he roote in
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    Sur where he says what does he say you
  • 00:20:05
    can help me
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    mar one
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    remember
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    yeah so this is Again part of the in the
  • 00:20:27
    Quran the same thing is presented in two
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    suras in two different ways if we were
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    to take two literally the order in which
  • 00:20:35
    things are mentioned bear in mind just
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    sorry to blow your minds here but
  • 00:20:39
    Zakaria was probably not speaking
  • 00:20:41
    Arabic and by the way this is like such
  • 00:20:44
    a fundamental point that I think kind of
  • 00:20:47
    goes under everyone's
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    radar when we talk about the of the
  • 00:20:52
    Quran the a of the Quran often is
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    quoting people's speech do you you think
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    first of all that they were all speaking
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    Arabic some people do by the way but no
  • 00:21:02
    I don't agree with that number
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    two do you think they were all
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    speaking and when m is arguing with
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    Pharaoh both of them are being to each
  • 00:21:12
    other m is saying words and is saying
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    words in response the Quran has given us
  • 00:21:20
    this discourse and when it is presenting
  • 00:21:23
    what people are saying clearly that you
  • 00:21:25
    have to then understand that it's not
  • 00:21:27
    about reporting the their precise speech
  • 00:21:30
    it's about reporting their precise
  • 00:21:31
    intent in their speech and giving you
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    even some of the things that surrounded
  • 00:21:36
    that speech it is perfect in the way it
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    presents it but not in the sense of it
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    was like a tape recording that is played
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    back so why is it in one place is
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    said and the other place is
  • 00:21:50
    said there must be a deep deep reason
  • 00:21:52
    behind it
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    maybe or perhaps it is because each one
  • 00:21:58
    sounds best in his own environment this
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    is the F the rhyme in the Surah for some
  • 00:22:04
    people this is like blasphemy why are
  • 00:22:06
    you saying that it's about rhyme well
  • 00:22:08
    because that's part of what makes the
  • 00:22:10
    Quran perfect and beautiful the sound of
  • 00:22:12
    the Quran is part of what makes it
  • 00:22:13
    beautiful we talked about this so why is
  • 00:22:16
    it so strange to say that in one place
  • 00:22:18
    Allah reports what they said
  • 00:22:20
    is in the other place it reports to
  • 00:22:23
    us do we have to then go and say
  • 00:22:26
    actually half of The Magicians said
  • 00:22:29
    and half of them
  • 00:22:30
    said some say this or they said it one
  • 00:22:33
    way and then a few minutes later they
  • 00:22:34
    said it the other way some people say
  • 00:22:36
    this it gets
  • 00:22:38
    complicated so ad H ad hoc argumentation
  • 00:22:41
    is where you say it had to be this way
  • 00:22:44
    and couldn't have been another way and
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    then you end up falling into some
  • 00:22:48
    problems because you then attribute the
  • 00:22:50
    very thing that you said couldn't happen
  • 00:22:52
    and then you say oh actually no I have
  • 00:22:55
    made it not have b or not have
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    there was one person who posted online
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    about there's
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    no because is
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    for you can count the mistakes here
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    number one yes there is in the Quran
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    twice number two he says is from this is
  • 00:23:14
    also mistaken because it's actually
  • 00:23:17
    the right it's just basically the main
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    thing that you use to call someone is it
  • 00:23:22
    doesn't have to imply them being far
  • 00:23:23
    away but this person said there's no y
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    in the Quran because Allah said
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    when my servants asked you concerning me
  • 00:23:33
    then I'm near so if Allah had reported
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    in the
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    Quran it would have contradicted this
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    Ayah Subhan Allah Subhan Allah Subhan
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    Allah in the comment section right but
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    actually on this particular day my um
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    was switched on and they asked him sh
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    but I I don't think anyone pointed Y is
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    actually in the Quran twice but they
  • 00:23:55
    said uh but in the Sunnah is there yeah
  • 00:23:59
    Arab he said yes but you see there's no
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    contradiction in the Quran so then I was
  • 00:24:03
    watching on I was like wow did you just
  • 00:24:06
    literally attribute contradiction
  • 00:24:08
    between the Quran and Sunnah well done
  • 00:24:10
    traditionalism has won the day right
  • 00:24:12
    this is the problem you use weak
  • 00:24:15
    arguments you set up the Quran and Islam
  • 00:24:18
    to fail as soon as someone sees the
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    whole in your argument the whole thing
  • 00:24:22
    falls down because you didn't just say
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    this could be a meaning this could be
  • 00:24:28
    indicative
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    you're saying if it had been contrary to
  • 00:24:30
    this there would have been a
  • 00:24:31
    contradiction in the Quran now what did
  • 00:24:33
    you do you Pro that there's a
  • 00:24:34
    contradiction in the Quran according to
  • 00:24:35
    your faulty argument right ad hoc
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    arguments false
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    certainty this is
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    related where we say about a particular
  • 00:24:46
    Ayah that it means such and such the
  • 00:24:49
    scientific Miracles depend upon this
  • 00:24:52
    type of
  • 00:24:53
    certainty because if you think about it
  • 00:24:55
    to say that a certain thing was said by
  • 00:24:58
    the Quran you have to say well
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    definitely the Quran is saying this it's
  • 00:25:03
    not really impressive to say you know
  • 00:25:05
    the Quran might have said that there was
  • 00:25:07
    a big ban oh I'm going to take your had
  • 00:25:09
    right now no I have to say the Quran did
  • 00:25:11
    say there's a big ban the Quran does say
  • 00:25:13
    that the universe is expanding the Quran
  • 00:25:16
    does say that the embryo is like this
  • 00:25:18
    and like that it would say it might I
  • 00:25:21
    haven't done anything it's part of the
  • 00:25:24
    industry it's part of like once you
  • 00:25:26
    enter into particular activity you have
  • 00:25:27
    to follow the rules of bit and one of
  • 00:25:29
    the rules here is you have to have
  • 00:25:31
    certainty in what you are saying that
  • 00:25:34
    the Quran means and that is where I come
  • 00:25:37
    in defense of because in the field of T
  • 00:25:40
    very little is certain like
  • 00:25:43
    that is an area of
  • 00:25:46
    exploration it is an evidence-based
  • 00:25:49
    inquiry there are different
  • 00:25:51
    possibilities within the text and
  • 00:25:54
    Scholars will generally tell you about
  • 00:25:56
    those different possibilities and then
  • 00:25:57
    they will tell you why they might favor
  • 00:25:59
    one view over
  • 00:26:01
    others but certainty is not a frequent
  • 00:26:04
    occurrence
  • 00:26:07
    in and H normativity this is a word that
  • 00:26:09
    I made up it's actually been quoted in
  • 00:26:12
    like proper academic Journal papers now
  • 00:26:15
    in conferences they're mentioning HS of
  • 00:26:16
    normativity and then they're creting
  • 00:26:18
    that guy of Twitter that's me that said
  • 00:26:21
    it right so H normativity is where you
  • 00:26:25
    mistakenly act as though a particular
  • 00:26:28
    reading of the Quran which is called the
  • 00:26:30
    one that we mostly all recite by that
  • 00:26:34
    you treat that as if it is the Quran it
  • 00:26:36
    is the only Quran and nothing but the
  • 00:26:38
    Quran right so you are acting as if
  • 00:26:42
    Quran equals
  • 00:26:44
    house and this in most of our daily
  • 00:26:47
    lives is not really an issue or a
  • 00:26:48
    problem but what's interesting is
  • 00:26:50
    sometimes the argument that's made the
  • 00:26:52
    adhoc arguments that are made depend on
  • 00:26:56
    ignoring all the other Kats
  • 00:26:59
    so I'll give you a kind of example of
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    this this what I'm sharing to you is
  • 00:27:04
    actually from uh is from the thean
  • 00:27:07
    chapters that I translated and the foot
  • 00:27:09
    note comes from my PhD thesis
  • 00:27:13
    actually so from it is related that when
  • 00:27:17
    there is a barrier in the Quran made by
  • 00:27:19
    Allah it is
  • 00:27:21
    called and when there is a barrier made
  • 00:27:23
    by people it is called s so that is as
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    if to say when when the Quran says the
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    word sud it means a
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    mountain and when it says the word s it
  • 00:27:33
    means something which is a man-made
  • 00:27:34
    construction a wall a back right so
  • 00:27:36
    you're already thinking about stories in
  • 00:27:38
    the Quran where there's a s right we're
  • 00:27:41
    thinking
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    about and you know he is building a s
  • 00:27:46
    for the
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    people in in his you know third place
  • 00:27:50
    that he visited
  • 00:27:52
    right so this by the way is not a claim
  • 00:27:56
    of a miracle just to be clear
  • 00:27:58
    but this is the format that a lot of
  • 00:28:00
    claims take that's why I think this is
  • 00:28:02
    interesting because you can imagine
  • 00:28:03
    someone could say Subhan
  • 00:28:06
    Allah this is how the
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    began see how Allah subh so perfectly in
  • 00:28:12
    his speech whenever he wanted to talk
  • 00:28:15
    about the barrier that he made he called
  • 00:28:17
    it
  • 00:28:18
    sun and whenever he wanted to talk about
  • 00:28:20
    the barrier that people made he called
  • 00:28:24
    a right so this is the way that these
  • 00:28:27
    arguments are
  • 00:28:29
    constructed now already knows where I'm
  • 00:28:32
    going with this because
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    he you know recited
  • 00:28:38
    Mah so I did the necessary digging and
  • 00:28:42
    if and I can see that out of the 10 the
  • 00:28:45
    four four out of the 10 reciters right
  • 00:28:48
    if you know about the 10 and 10 that are
  • 00:28:51
    canonical and accepted four of them use
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    sud all through the Quran whenever the
  • 00:28:57
    sud is mentioned it is always
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    called so in that case those people did
  • 00:29:03
    not follow this rule did not know about
  • 00:29:05
    this rule did not care about this rule
  • 00:29:08
    this rule means nothing to
  • 00:29:11
    them and then in the reading of
  • 00:29:14
    Assam we have and we have
  • 00:29:18
    sh in sh it's always
  • 00:29:21
    sud in it's always s so this is not H
  • 00:29:24
    normativity in fact this is something
  • 00:29:26
    else because this does not apply to H
  • 00:29:29
    just to be clear did not recite with HS
  • 00:29:33
    clearly the two occurrences in Al 93 and
  • 00:29:37
    94 refer respectively to the mountains
  • 00:29:40
    and to a barrier which was asked to
  • 00:29:42
    construct so we would then expect
  • 00:29:44
    according to this rule that the first
  • 00:29:46
    one should
  • 00:29:49
    say right and the second one should
  • 00:29:53
    be and you can find that in the readings
  • 00:29:56
    of all from from
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    kufa they do go from sud to S which is
  • 00:30:04
    consistent with the narration
  • 00:30:07
    from however they do not follow this
  • 00:30:09
    rule throughout the Quran because
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    inah they
  • 00:30:13
    says despite it being the fact that God
  • 00:30:16
    has placed a barrier in front of them
  • 00:30:18
    and behind them unless you say oh
  • 00:30:21
    actually what we meant is mountains and
  • 00:30:23
    not man made barri uh Allah made barrier
  • 00:30:25
    God made barrier so we can say that
  • 00:30:28
    maybe they are consistent the remaining
  • 00:30:30
    two
  • 00:30:33
    readers and and I cannot find a way to
  • 00:30:37
    square that with the rule or to provide
  • 00:30:40
    any explanation other than said and sud
  • 00:30:43
    are basically the same and is fine
  • 00:30:45
    whether you recited Sudan or san it all
  • 00:30:48
    amounts to the same it's all acceptable
  • 00:30:50
    it's all permissible in the different
  • 00:30:53
    that they
  • 00:30:55
    made so I want you to keep this in mind
  • 00:30:57
    when you certain claims it does it pass
  • 00:31:00
    the test when they say to for example
  • 00:31:04
    every in the Quran is for punishment
  • 00:31:07
    every is for
  • 00:31:10
    mercy first of all it doesn't pass the
  • 00:31:12
    HFF test there is an exception to it but
  • 00:31:15
    it even more comes into trouble once you
  • 00:31:17
    factor in the different because in the
  • 00:31:19
    same place certain people will say read
  • 00:31:22
    and some people will
  • 00:31:23
    say both of them are fine both of them
  • 00:31:25
    are accepted both of them are right
  • 00:31:28
    but they don't all follow the rule in
  • 00:31:30
    the same
  • 00:31:34
    way so here when I said in defense of T
  • 00:31:37
    I want to think about what does a muf
  • 00:31:38
    actually
  • 00:31:39
    do and you know I read a mufas like Ari
  • 00:31:44
    or like right right different uh eras
  • 00:31:49
    I'm going to share something from each
  • 00:31:51
    of them inallah just after
  • 00:31:55
    this so a mu here
  • 00:31:58
    I'm using to stand in for Scholars in
  • 00:32:00
    general who are studying the
  • 00:32:02
    Quran the first thing that they do is
  • 00:32:05
    establish the text establish the text I
  • 00:32:08
    don't mean here to invent the text
  • 00:32:11
    obviously it is revealed it is
  • 00:32:14
    transmitted from the prophet s wasallam
  • 00:32:16
    to his sahab but you know also that
  • 00:32:18
    there was a certain amount of variation
  • 00:32:20
    in the time of the Prophet wasam
  • 00:32:22
    represented by the seven right the seven
  • 00:32:25
    meaning a degree of flexibility of
  • 00:32:29
    variation divinely ordained divinely
  • 00:32:32
    supervised the prophet wasam was
  • 00:32:34
    overseeing what was happening and he
  • 00:32:37
    himself perhaps has recited in multiple
  • 00:32:39
    ways people have heard him in different
  • 00:32:42
    ways they have also adapted things to
  • 00:32:44
    their dialectal norms and they have
  • 00:32:46
    heard something and elaborated something
  • 00:32:48
    and then we come to a period where we
  • 00:32:51
    have something
  • 00:32:53
    called is where a
  • 00:32:56
    particular says well I am going to base
  • 00:32:59
    on the available possibilities recite it
  • 00:33:01
    with this
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    combination so some of them might have
  • 00:33:04
    said well I really like the think of the
  • 00:33:08
    mountains as being called sun and the
  • 00:33:10
    man-made barriers as being called sent
  • 00:33:13
    so since both these are transmitted I'm
  • 00:33:15
    going to follow this pattern whatever
  • 00:33:18
    the word occurs right this
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    is and you know this is still something
  • 00:33:24
    which people find a bit difficult to
  • 00:33:26
    process because of the way that we have
  • 00:33:28
    sometimes been told about the history of
  • 00:33:30
    the Quran and the preservation of the
  • 00:33:32
    Quran but in short I want you to really
  • 00:33:35
    understand that this is the preservation
  • 00:33:37
    of the Quran and this is the way that
  • 00:33:38
    the Quran was
  • 00:33:40
    preserved is that these people who were
  • 00:33:43
    also knowledgeable about all the
  • 00:33:45
    Sciences of the Quran and they were
  • 00:33:47
    knowledgeable of the grammar of the
  • 00:33:48
    Quran and the language of the Arabs they
  • 00:33:51
    the people who made these choices
  • 00:33:53
    between different options and they
  • 00:33:55
    helped us to receive the Quran in the
  • 00:33:57
    way that we have at
  • 00:33:59
    now including in the seven and 10
  • 00:34:04
    recitations but my point is here before
  • 00:34:06
    even getting to explain the text the
  • 00:34:09
    MU is in a way looking at the text and
  • 00:34:11
    saying which version of the text am I
  • 00:34:14
    engaging with here which part am I
  • 00:34:16
    explaining I'm explaining it as or I'm
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    explaining as
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    s they are doing also of the Quran how
  • 00:34:23
    do I see this sentence where do I see
  • 00:34:26
    the beginning and end of the sentence s
  • 00:34:28
    right the syntax of it and then based on
  • 00:34:32
    that I'm able to then elaborate more on
  • 00:34:34
    the meaning of the
  • 00:34:36
    text so the second thing and this is the
  • 00:34:39
    most obvious thing the main thing that
  • 00:34:40
    Nea does is to explain the
  • 00:34:43
    text now explaining the text could be
  • 00:34:46
    done in a supposedly objective or
  • 00:34:49
    critical
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    way right a few of us are going from
  • 00:34:53
    here down to London the next few days
  • 00:34:55
    we'll be spending rubbing shoulders with
  • 00:34:57
    some of these people who feel or claim
  • 00:35:01
    to be very objective in their study of
  • 00:35:02
    the Quran because they're like
  • 00:35:05
    Al right so there's going to be people
  • 00:35:09
    who feel that they're doing an objective
  • 00:35:10
    study of the Quran whereas as Muslims we
  • 00:35:12
    don't aspire to that type of objectivity
  • 00:35:14
    where every option is on the
  • 00:35:18
    tail when we encountered the Ayah
  • 00:35:21
    in right there's one option that was
  • 00:35:23
    never on the table for us and that is oh
  • 00:35:25
    this a is actually in the wrong place
  • 00:35:28
    right the thought wouldn't even cross
  • 00:35:29
    our
  • 00:35:30
    mind
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    instead as Muslims and as Muslim
  • 00:35:36
    Scholars you assume that this is
  • 00:35:38
    actually the best of
  • 00:35:40
    speech and then you find the explanation
  • 00:35:44
    that helps you to see that it's the best
  • 00:35:46
    of
  • 00:35:47
    speech right in in the although it's a
  • 00:35:52
    very vast topic for us to you know we
  • 00:35:53
    don't want to get too sidetracked into
  • 00:35:55
    it but again in the especially in the
  • 00:35:57
    early stage there were certain readings
  • 00:36:00
    that certain muers would look at and say
  • 00:36:03
    I honestly cannot really make much sense
  • 00:36:05
    of this in this
  • 00:36:07
    form and since there's another available
  • 00:36:11
    I consider that one to be more
  • 00:36:12
    reliable right so they would even
  • 00:36:14
    criticize things which as we know
  • 00:36:17
    there's lots of that fell out of favor
  • 00:36:19
    altogether and we know them as the sh
  • 00:36:23
    right so we know them as the
  • 00:36:25
    non-canonical readings or the aaren
  • 00:36:26
    readings or the isolated readings and
  • 00:36:29
    they fell out of favor and they're not
  • 00:36:30
    considered to be part of the
  • 00:36:32
    Quran but even the things that did
  • 00:36:35
    actually make the cut and we have them
  • 00:36:37
    as part of the seven and the 10 there
  • 00:36:39
    are some specific words and specific
  • 00:36:41
    ayas where certain said I don't actually
  • 00:36:45
    like this way of reading it and I think
  • 00:36:48
    it shouldn't be read this particular way
  • 00:36:50
    and we can then go back and criticize
  • 00:36:52
    those muers and criticize those gradians
  • 00:36:54
    and say that they were wrong to make
  • 00:36:56
    their attack on the Kur but in their
  • 00:36:58
    time and place it was reasonable for
  • 00:37:00
    them to say what they said right it's
  • 00:37:03
    only later that things reached a level
  • 00:37:05
    of stability we're now these are the
  • 00:37:07
    seven and these are the 10 and there's
  • 00:37:10
    no more debate over
  • 00:37:12
    that so now we would say okay this
  • 00:37:15
    particular
  • 00:37:17
    tricky is something difficult to
  • 00:37:19
    understand but we're going to make every
  • 00:37:20
    effort to understand it and we're going
  • 00:37:22
    to go deep into the annals of the you
  • 00:37:24
    know D1 of the of the Arabs and the
  • 00:37:26
    register of of the poetry and find the
  • 00:37:29
    Shah the witness that we can call up
  • 00:37:31
    into the court and say Yes actually it's
  • 00:37:33
    okay to break between
  • 00:37:35
    and right and we can find that why would
  • 00:37:38
    we do it because it's the
  • 00:37:41
    Quran so what I'm saying is that we
  • 00:37:43
    don't approach this in a purely
  • 00:37:45
    objective way we do something which I'm
  • 00:37:47
    describing here
  • 00:37:49
    as means I will find the way that this
  • 00:37:52
    actually works and I will make it make
  • 00:37:55
    sense because I assume that it does make
  • 00:37:57
    sense and if I'm struggling to make
  • 00:37:59
    sense of it I will work harder I will
  • 00:38:03
    work harder to make sense of it because
  • 00:38:04
    it is worth it because it is Allah's
  • 00:38:07
    word so this was my problem here and
  • 00:38:10
    what we're probing about subjectivity
  • 00:38:12
    and
  • 00:38:13
    objectivity Muslim Scholars do not have
  • 00:38:17
    that type of objectivity where all
  • 00:38:19
    options are on the table nor should
  • 00:38:22
    they that wheel is another aspect and
  • 00:38:25
    this is re relevant to science
  • 00:38:28
    if you find that something on the face
  • 00:38:29
    of it the you know the word the apparent
  • 00:38:33
    sense of something the most obvious way
  • 00:38:35
    that comes to your mind when you read it
  • 00:38:38
    but this would in result in something
  • 00:38:40
    impossible or let's start to say now
  • 00:38:43
    maybe
  • 00:38:45
    unscientific then we can say is there
  • 00:38:47
    another meaning available for this is
  • 00:38:49
    there a available so I can take it away
  • 00:38:51
    from
  • 00:38:52
    its and I can see it as meaning
  • 00:38:55
    something in MA
  • 00:38:58
    who's done a basic book of B anyone
  • 00:39:01
    studied any text of B yeah not many of
  • 00:39:04
    you so there's an example that comes up
  • 00:39:07
    like in Surah for
  • 00:39:11
    example they Place their fingers in
  • 00:39:14
    their
  • 00:39:15
    ears right so this is one of those
  • 00:39:17
    classic examples they like to give where
  • 00:39:19
    they say well of course they didn't
  • 00:39:20
    Place their whole finger in their ear
  • 00:39:22
    because then they would burst their
  • 00:39:23
    eardrum and it would cause damage to the
  • 00:39:25
    inner ears so what does it mean they
  • 00:39:28
    Place their fingertips in their ears so
  • 00:39:31
    they consider this an example of taking
  • 00:39:32
    away from the towards you know away from
  • 00:39:36
    even towards ma
  • 00:39:38
    towards uh metaphorical figurative usage
  • 00:39:42
    right um so if you take that as the case
  • 00:39:46
    you start to see that actually this is
  • 00:39:49
    something that per me it's all through
  • 00:39:52
    the Quran and in fact all
  • 00:39:55
    through the language that we speak as
  • 00:39:58
    well and in
  • 00:40:00
    English so not on purpose the last few
  • 00:40:03
    sentences that I've said you could find
  • 00:40:05
    lots of examples of ma in them when I
  • 00:40:06
    said all through the Quran here I'm
  • 00:40:09
    comparing the Quran to like a substance
  • 00:40:11
    that or a place that you can go through
  • 00:40:13
    and said through the speech it permeates
  • 00:40:16
    right all of this is and metaphorical
  • 00:40:20
    usage of language is everywhere and when
  • 00:40:23
    I said everywhere also I did it again
  • 00:40:25
    I'm going use it around the clock and
  • 00:40:26
    that's Jazz as well
  • 00:40:27
    right you can't escape it that's as well
  • 00:40:31
    so this is just completely completely
  • 00:40:33
    normal to language don't let people tell
  • 00:40:35
    you that okay only ashar do ma or you
  • 00:40:37
    know this is basically everywhere
  • 00:40:41
    right so that we it means to understand
  • 00:40:46
    things
  • 00:40:48
    sensibly you know sometimes our children
  • 00:40:51
    you know take things too literally and
  • 00:40:53
    sometimes as well if they're being
  • 00:40:54
    insolent they'll do it on purpose to Wi
  • 00:40:57
    us up yeah that's another one wind us up
  • 00:41:01
    so if I said you
  • 00:41:03
    know if I if I told someone to put their
  • 00:41:06
    fingers in the ears I said well I can't
  • 00:41:07
    I can't exactly push it all the way into
  • 00:41:09
    my ears can I so that would be taking
  • 00:41:12
    things literally out of context and it's
  • 00:41:16
    unjustified you're supposed to
  • 00:41:17
    understand sensibly what it means to put
  • 00:41:19
    your fingers in your ears you shouldn't
  • 00:41:21
    need to be an advanced graduate in that
  • 00:41:25
    week to know how to understand it we do
  • 00:41:27
    this naturally so that is what we call a
  • 00:41:30
    charitable reading or a sensible
  • 00:41:32
    reading that's how I'm putting it when
  • 00:41:35
    you're reading the
  • 00:41:36
    Quran you don't take everything
  • 00:41:39
    literally as the basis that's what some
  • 00:41:41
    people will tell you by the way this is
  • 00:41:43
    like supposed to be a rule and I have a
  • 00:41:45
    lot of problem with this rule the rule
  • 00:41:47
    is you take everything literal unless
  • 00:41:49
    you are forced to go to Ma and then you
  • 00:41:53
    can accept some maaz here and there
  • 00:41:56
    right but I think in speech that is not
  • 00:42:01
    normal maybe we can say in the aat of
  • 00:42:04
    where there's like a legal
  • 00:42:06
    instruction this is the point that's
  • 00:42:08
    being made don't jump towards
  • 00:42:10
    metaphorical readings of things when
  • 00:42:12
    there's a literal meaning available then
  • 00:42:14
    that's obviously what we should consider
  • 00:42:16
    intended by God that he's telling us to
  • 00:42:18
    literally for example wash your hands
  • 00:42:20
    and and your face right uh he's not
  • 00:42:24
    saying you know blow on your hands so
  • 00:42:26
    he's is not saying you know wish that
  • 00:42:29
    your hands were clean he's saying wash
  • 00:42:30
    your hands and there we're going to need
  • 00:42:32
    water we should not jump towards
  • 00:42:34
    metaphorical
  • 00:42:35
    meanings but in many many things that
  • 00:42:38
    we're reading in the Quran now we're
  • 00:42:40
    going to start to think about the desri
  • 00:42:42
    descriptions of the heavens and the
  • 00:42:44
    Earth why should we insist on a
  • 00:42:46
    metaphorical meaning sorry why should we
  • 00:42:49
    insist on a literal meaning until we are
  • 00:42:51
    forced to see a metaphoric woman isn't
  • 00:42:54
    it quite appropriate to think that
  • 00:42:56
    metaphor is in play
  • 00:42:58
    I put in the prce because if you've
  • 00:43:01
    studied any you'll be familiar that you
  • 00:43:04
    have certain things which
  • 00:43:05
    are and Universal and then there are
  • 00:43:08
    things which are Universal but there's
  • 00:43:10
    another text that specifies it or limits
  • 00:43:13
    the scope of it this
  • 00:43:15
    is right and then they say there's
  • 00:43:18
    something
  • 00:43:21
    called so something which is stated in
  • 00:43:23
    general terms but you're supposed to
  • 00:43:26
    understand from the general rule of
  • 00:43:29
    things and they you could say from
  • 00:43:32
    reason but just from being
  • 00:43:34
    sensible and not excessively literal
  • 00:43:36
    you're supposed to understand that it
  • 00:43:38
    doesn't refer to every single P right so
  • 00:43:42
    I'm just pointing to where you can find
  • 00:43:43
    this type of idea that I'm talking about
  • 00:43:45
    in our Islamic
  • 00:43:48
    Sciences with me so
  • 00:43:50
    far yeah do I have to make more jokes
  • 00:43:53
    are we okay all right we'll see
  • 00:43:57
    so the third thing that a mu could do
  • 00:43:59
    doesn't always do but can do is to
  • 00:44:01
    praise the text that is to say I've
  • 00:44:05
    talked to you about the meaning now I
  • 00:44:07
    want to say and this is as perfect as it
  • 00:44:09
    could be look how beautiful this is look
  • 00:44:12
    how amazing this is look how powerful
  • 00:44:13
    this is look how effective this
  • 00:44:16
    is and that is not a basic function of T
  • 00:44:20
    but it's something that a scholar might
  • 00:44:22
    well you know give space to and engage
  • 00:44:25
    in to get the audience to get the
  • 00:44:27
    benefit the readership get get the best
  • 00:44:29
    benefit and you can find that there are
  • 00:44:31
    Works which are known as
  • 00:44:33
    bayani or by other names as well but
  • 00:44:37
    this is basically where a person is kind
  • 00:44:38
    of combining explanation of the Quran
  • 00:44:40
    With Praise of the
  • 00:44:42
    Quran and I personally feel that this is
  • 00:44:44
    a very difficult take up to
  • 00:44:46
    walk because the number two part assumes
  • 00:44:50
    that I have to actually be open to the
  • 00:44:52
    different ways that this could be
  • 00:44:54
    understood including ways that are more
  • 00:44:56
    difficult
  • 00:44:57
    B and then the other part is just like I
  • 00:45:00
    have to assume that the Quran is perfect
  • 00:45:03
    as it is so one of them is about being
  • 00:45:07
    open to possibilities the other one has
  • 00:45:08
    to have a very you know absolute
  • 00:45:12
    attitude to the Perfection of the
  • 00:45:14
    Quran so I'm not sure if I can flesh
  • 00:45:17
    this out fully but I think that there's
  • 00:45:20
    attention between these two functions
  • 00:45:23
    that you do find in some works
  • 00:45:28
    right so let's get on to a bit of
  • 00:45:29
    science right but this is a bit old
  • 00:45:30
    science now here's IMI he died in
  • 00:45:35
    1210 uh of the
  • 00:45:38
    Gregorian
  • 00:45:40
    era and he is talking about
  • 00:45:43
    Sur the famous Ayah where is going to
  • 00:45:47
    the west and he reaches what's described
  • 00:45:51
    as the setting of the Sun
  • 00:46:00
    and the translation would be something
  • 00:46:02
    like this and he found it setting in a
  • 00:46:05
    pool of murky
  • 00:46:07
    water so IMI says it is established
  • 00:46:10
    through evidence that the Earth is
  • 00:46:12
    spherical and the sky surrounds it
  • 00:46:17
    completely so one can have a debate as
  • 00:46:20
    to what is the cosmology of the Quran
  • 00:46:21
    does the Quran consider the Earth to be
  • 00:46:23
    round does it talk about it that way
  • 00:46:26
    does it talk about the Earth being flat
  • 00:46:28
    are there some verses that seem to go
  • 00:46:30
    this way some verses that seem to go
  • 00:46:32
    that way which ones would we
  • 00:46:34
    prefer and what will we base that
  • 00:46:36
    preference on will we base that
  • 00:46:39
    preference purely on science will we
  • 00:46:41
    base it on internal textual evidences
  • 00:46:44
    and the Sunnah will we be like IMI and
  • 00:46:48
    write a whole book
  • 00:46:53
    called and talk about how you know
  • 00:46:56
    astronomy should be known through the m
  • 00:46:57
    and not
  • 00:46:58
    through uh you know
  • 00:47:01
    observing and there are people by the
  • 00:47:03
    way who are still flatter Earth Muslims
  • 00:47:06
    and still Earth Muslims and there might
  • 00:47:08
    be some in the room don't look around
  • 00:47:10
    you just know some people are the ones
  • 00:47:12
    who are getting angry with what I'm
  • 00:47:13
    saying that's the Flat Earth on right so
  • 00:47:15
    this actually still exists and part of
  • 00:47:18
    the reason is well look certain ayat are
  • 00:47:20
    you know they're talking about the the
  • 00:47:22
    world in this way so on what basis are
  • 00:47:24
    we going to accept you know thanks to n
  • 00:47:27
    Bill Gates you know who are we going to
  • 00:47:29
    believe so imzi all these centuries ago
  • 00:47:33
    said it is established through evidence
  • 00:47:36
    that the Earth is spherical and the sky
  • 00:47:38
    surrounds it completely so it doesn't
  • 00:47:41
    make sense now for him to think that
  • 00:47:42
    there's a place then that's the
  • 00:47:44
    extremity of the Earth where the sun
  • 00:47:46
    could
  • 00:47:48
    set there's also no doubt that the sun
  • 00:47:50
    exists in its orbit it's and this could
  • 00:47:53
    be understood
  • 00:47:54
    within the the late near Eastern
  • 00:47:57
    cosmology of the Spheres of the of the
  • 00:48:00
    sky you might see that he's talking
  • 00:48:01
    about
  • 00:48:03
    that the verse appears to state that
  • 00:48:05
    there were people positioned near the
  • 00:48:07
    sun which cannot
  • 00:48:08
    be it just takes it for granted it
  • 00:48:10
    cannot be that anyone was over next to
  • 00:48:12
    the
  • 00:48:13
    sun moreover the sun is many times
  • 00:48:16
    larger than the earth he knows that as
  • 00:48:19
    well so how could it conceivably enter
  • 00:48:22
    one of the Earth's bodies of water very
  • 00:48:24
    very good question with all this in mind
  • 00:48:26
    mind we can say that the phrase which
  • 00:48:28
    appeared to him to be setting in a murky
  • 00:48:30
    spring can be explained as follows so he
  • 00:48:33
    gives two explanations I've just quoted
  • 00:48:34
    the first of these this is from our
  • 00:48:37
    forthcoming translation by the way of
  • 00:48:42
    uhi when reached a certain point in the
  • 00:48:45
    west Beyond which there were no
  • 00:48:47
    habitations he saw the sun appearing to
  • 00:48:49
    set in a dark Gorge a as he says even
  • 00:48:53
    though it was not so in reality this is
  • 00:48:55
    like a sailor who observes the Sun
  • 00:48:56
    descending as though into the sea if you
  • 00:48:59
    cannot see the shore the reality is that
  • 00:49:02
    it is setting behind the sea as such and
  • 00:49:05
    is proceeding in his path here I'm not
  • 00:49:08
    100% clear on whether razi understands
  • 00:49:10
    the Earth to be
  • 00:49:12
    spinning and the sun to be you know
  • 00:49:16
    relatively still in that
  • 00:49:18
    respect um because that would follow
  • 00:49:21
    from understanding that the sun is many
  • 00:49:23
    times larger and how can it be going
  • 00:49:25
    round the Earth with it's many times
  • 00:49:27
    larger it would have to be traveling
  • 00:49:29
    extremely fast I suppose for that to to
  • 00:49:31
    work so maybe he understands that the
  • 00:49:34
    Earth is spinning but I don't see him
  • 00:49:36
    kind of making that point out
  • 00:49:39
    loud he goes on to argue against the
  • 00:49:42
    flat
  • 00:49:43
    earthers he says the people of
  • 00:49:47
    narration so I'm not sure
  • 00:49:50
    precisely who is intended here but he
  • 00:49:53
    refers to them
  • 00:49:54
    as they said that the sun does indeed
  • 00:49:56
    set in a springful of water and Clay
  • 00:49:59
    however this is extremely implausible
  • 00:50:00
    look at the evidence if you track the
  • 00:50:03
    news of a lunar eclipse and find that
  • 00:50:04
    the
  • 00:50:05
    westerners that's not uh British people
  • 00:50:08
    that's probably like the M right report
  • 00:50:12
    that it occurred in the early evening
  • 00:50:14
    and the easterners report that it was at
  • 00:50:16
    Daybreak we can conclude that the
  • 00:50:17
    evening in the west cooccurs with the
  • 00:50:19
    onset of the following day in the East
  • 00:50:22
    and need the onset of evening at our
  • 00:50:23
    location corresponds to late afternoon
  • 00:50:25
    in another land early afternoon in
  • 00:50:27
    another morning in another sunrise in
  • 00:50:29
    another and midnight in yet another so
  • 00:50:31
    this is it seems remarkable to us maybe
  • 00:50:34
    because we have a certain conception
  • 00:50:35
    about people in the past they knew
  • 00:50:37
    nothing about nothing and in reality the
  • 00:50:41
    Earth being
  • 00:50:43
    round was known long before arazi and it
  • 00:50:47
    was known by
  • 00:50:48
    Muslims
  • 00:50:50
    and talked about that and some mentioned
  • 00:50:53
    that there's something like consensus on
  • 00:50:54
    that and it was probably known by other
  • 00:50:58
    communities before the Muslims as
  • 00:51:00
    well he says since these realities are
  • 00:51:02
    known based on observation of study and
  • 00:51:03
    we realize that the Sun is up and
  • 00:51:05
    observable somewhere at all these times
  • 00:51:08
    the suggestion that it disappears into
  • 00:51:09
    clay and sludge goes against decisive
  • 00:51:12
    facts and this is crucial this cannot be
  • 00:51:16
    said about the speech of
  • 00:51:18
    God so it is incumbent to resort to such
  • 00:51:21
    interpretation as we have mentioned
  • 00:51:23
    above so you see is a
  • 00:51:27
    there's an impossibility of
  • 00:51:29
    that and then
  • 00:51:31
    there's right so the starting point is
  • 00:51:34
    it appears to say something and then we
  • 00:51:37
    say we have good reason to think it's
  • 00:51:40
    not saying that I'm not changing God's
  • 00:51:42
    words I'm trying to understand God's
  • 00:51:44
    words because I don't think God would
  • 00:51:46
    tell me that the sun sets on Earth in a
  • 00:51:50
    muddy
  • 00:51:51
    pool and I would be that insolent child
  • 00:51:54
    if I act as though that's what he must
  • 00:51:56
    be saying because that's what you said
  • 00:51:58
    literally it's what you said yes
  • 00:52:00
    literally but who told you to read
  • 00:52:02
    everything
  • 00:52:04
    literally right so I have to then resort
  • 00:52:07
    to the best interpretation this
  • 00:52:11
    is but you see how this is going to go
  • 00:52:14
    against the idea of scientific Miracles
  • 00:52:15
    because scientific Miracles requires
  • 00:52:17
    everything that's to actually be the
  • 00:52:19
    correct
  • 00:52:20
    meaning right so in fact this contains a
  • 00:52:23
    miracle that the Quran told us that the
  • 00:52:25
    sun does set in the and even if we don't
  • 00:52:27
    know it yet we're going to know it in
  • 00:52:28
    the future one day we will discover that
  • 00:52:31
    the sun does set in a merky pool upon
  • 00:52:33
    Earth this would have to be of course
  • 00:52:36
    sure no one says that but this would be
  • 00:52:38
    a kind of logical thing following from
  • 00:52:41
    what they say
  • 00:52:43
    right because they're assuming that the
  • 00:52:45
    Quran text is super clear and univocal
  • 00:52:48
    and has one meaning and we're pointing
  • 00:52:50
    out that you actually have to do of
  • 00:52:52
    things which would be otherwise
  • 00:52:54
    difficult to understand or would be
  • 00:52:56
    wrong if taken at face value and
  • 00:53:00
    interpreted literally would be wrong
  • 00:53:03
    decisively
  • 00:53:07
    wrong so recently I was
  • 00:53:12
    reading translating in fact translating
  • 00:53:15
    the Quran according to his so I'm
  • 00:53:18
    discovering a lot of really interesting
  • 00:53:19
    things that he talks about one of those
  • 00:53:21
    when he's talking about
  • 00:53:30
    there's a number of interesting things
  • 00:53:31
    here including he thinks the are the
  • 00:53:33
    seven other planets in the solar system
  • 00:53:36
    but that's not what I'm going to talk
  • 00:53:37
    about just now it's the issue of he
  • 00:53:41
    created for you everything on Earth then
  • 00:53:45
    is literally
  • 00:53:48
    then translation is going to be
  • 00:53:51
    something like then he gave attention to
  • 00:53:53
    the heaven to the sky and formed it into
  • 00:53:56
    seven Heavens or seven
  • 00:53:59
    Skies
  • 00:54:01
    so we would normally jump to thinking
  • 00:54:03
    means that something came after then
  • 00:54:08
    later but I points out
  • 00:54:11
    that normally when one sentence is added
  • 00:54:14
    by
  • 00:54:15
    Thum we are not supposed to immediately
  • 00:54:17
    think about chronology and time we're
  • 00:54:19
    supposed to think about how one thing is
  • 00:54:22
    following from another in mention this
  • 00:54:24
    called
  • 00:54:27
    so it's like
  • 00:54:28
    moreover yeah I think even YF Ali's
  • 00:54:31
    translation is like that
  • 00:54:32
    moreover what's more the next thing that
  • 00:54:35
    I'll mention even more interesting even
  • 00:54:38
    more impressive I'm going to tell you
  • 00:54:39
    the next thing is even greater than what
  • 00:54:41
    I just told you that's the idea of the
  • 00:54:44
    concept
  • 00:54:46
    of but it can also be for sequence and
  • 00:54:49
    time it can be both together right so
  • 00:54:53
    here he says this is a crucial quote if
  • 00:54:55
    the sky is were created after the Earth
  • 00:54:58
    then the chronological sense is also
  • 00:55:00
    intended but if the heavens came first
  • 00:55:02
    then it is only Ro it's only order of
  • 00:55:05
    mention and this is more evident
  • 00:55:08
    here so you see it's the scientific
  • 00:55:10
    question it's the question of the fact
  • 00:55:12
    of the matter that is guiding his
  • 00:55:14
    interpretation That's Not Unusual by the
  • 00:55:17
    way it's not like IB as is the only one
  • 00:55:19
    doing this it's just only sensible that
  • 00:55:23
    I'll will read it in the way that makes
  • 00:55:24
    best sense how do I know what makes best
  • 00:55:26
    sense lots of different things and
  • 00:55:28
    factors including what is known through
  • 00:55:31
    science he talks about how the Sal
  • 00:55:34
    differred over this because there are
  • 00:55:36
    some ayat which seem to indicate that
  • 00:55:38
    the heavens came before the Earth and
  • 00:55:40
    others indicate that the Earth came
  • 00:55:41
    before the heavens okay so this one
  • 00:55:45
    seems to indicate the Earth came before
  • 00:55:47
    the heavens then in
  • 00:56:05
    and the Earth after that after the sky
  • 00:56:08
    he well I'm going to leave the this is
  • 00:56:11
    another one of these claims of
  • 00:56:12
    scientific miracle that it means egg
  • 00:56:14
    shaped and then IM made egg shaped
  • 00:56:16
    because the Earth is supposedly egg
  • 00:56:18
    shaped according to Scientific Miracle
  • 00:56:19
    industry but it's not anyway the ha he
  • 00:56:24
    then spread out the Earth so
  • 00:56:27
    so that Ayah seems to be saying the
  • 00:56:31
    opposite of what this Ayah seems to be
  • 00:56:33
    saying so one of them has to yield to
  • 00:56:35
    the other which one will we take as the
  • 00:56:37
    basis and which one will we do that we
  • 00:56:40
    love to kind of explain in a different
  • 00:56:43
    way says the stronger view is that the
  • 00:56:46
    sky was created before the
  • 00:56:48
    Earth number one because the
  • 00:56:51
    expession is more explicit in terms of
  • 00:56:54
    order than this one is
  • 00:56:57
    although he says can also Beed don't
  • 00:57:00
    worry if you want to you can the other
  • 00:57:02
    one if you want to we can just about
  • 00:57:04
    anything there a secret between me and
  • 00:57:06
    you if we want to it we can it it all
  • 00:57:10
    depends on where this uh there away
  • 00:57:14
    right where there's a write that one
  • 00:57:17
    down so he says is more explicit
  • 00:57:23
    than so that's what argument
  • 00:57:27
    secondly because astronomers
  • 00:57:29
    believe that the Earth split off from
  • 00:57:31
    the Sun like the other planets of our
  • 00:57:33
    solar system now he's appealing to signs
  • 00:57:36
    and then thirdly he appeals to the Bible
  • 00:57:38
    the book of The Genesis also presents
  • 00:57:39
    this apparent
  • 00:57:41
    sequence so none of this is an absolute
  • 00:57:43
    knockdown argument he just says this
  • 00:57:45
    is this is stronger this is the better
  • 00:57:48
    of view not that it is the absolute
  • 00:57:50
    truth and the other thing is absolute
  • 00:57:52
    falsehood but you see how the science
  • 00:57:54
    features in his decision about how to
  • 00:57:56
    interpret I want you just to remember my
  • 00:57:59
    core Point here is it has to work this
  • 00:58:01
    way around rather than that the text is
  • 00:58:04
    given as the basis for a scientific
  • 00:58:07
    interpretation which is then confirmed
  • 00:58:09
    by
  • 00:58:10
    science in a way some of the ayat were
  • 00:58:12
    quote unquote confirmed by the science
  • 00:58:14
    and the other ones have to be whe to fit
  • 00:58:15
    the
  • 00:58:16
    science and that's okay because that's
  • 00:58:18
    completely normal and that's what we do
  • 00:58:20
    in T it's completely Norm don't get
  • 00:58:22
    upset about that he says the Quran has
  • 00:58:25
    used non-al
  • 00:58:28
    phrasing to make this point here to
  • 00:58:32
    sight step the dispute between the two
  • 00:58:33
    SS that's how I see his point rather
  • 00:58:37
    than getting into which one came first
  • 00:58:38
    that's really not important in terms of
  • 00:58:42
    the revelation of the Quran the purpose
  • 00:58:43
    of the point that it's making maybe if
  • 00:58:45
    the Quran had absolutely stated one some
  • 00:58:48
    people would have said well the Quran is
  • 00:58:50
    wrong actually it's scientifically
  • 00:58:51
    inaccurate because actually well
  • 00:58:54
    actually the Earth was created first
  • 00:58:58
    right so there would been those well
  • 00:59:00
    actually people and if you said if the
  • 00:59:02
    Quran had said it the other way around
  • 00:59:04
    that there will actually people on the
  • 00:59:05
    other side would have got upset so the
  • 00:59:08
    quranic expression is open to both it is
  • 00:59:11
    non-committal because the Quran did not
  • 00:59:13
    come to tell you which one came first it
  • 00:59:15
    is not the point remember about missing
  • 00:59:17
    the point but for scientific Miracle
  • 00:59:21
    industry the Quran came to make these
  • 00:59:24
    points at least for the purpose of of
  • 00:59:26
    creating scenario of the scientific
  • 00:59:29
    miracle that we're going to learn about
  • 00:59:31
    by the
  • 00:59:33
    way uh is actually on board with the
  • 00:59:36
    idea
  • 00:59:37
    of and he mentions it in a number of
  • 00:59:39
    ayat and this is from the of the Quran
  • 00:59:42
    the scientific of the Quran and again
  • 00:59:45
    he's using it a little bit sleep but
  • 00:59:46
    he's saying that the Quran is actually
  • 00:59:48
    talking about certain things with a
  • 00:59:50
    subtle
  • 00:59:51
    accuracy which couldn't have been known
  • 00:59:53
    at the time but later on we come to
  • 00:59:55
    appreciate
  • 00:59:57
    the accuracy of what the Quran said and
  • 00:59:59
    there was actually the the author of the
  • 01:00:01
    Quran clearly the revealer of the Quran
  • 01:00:04
    uh clearly in fact did know about these
  • 01:00:06
    things that other people did not know at
  • 01:00:08
    the time so he's actually on board with
  • 01:00:10
    this
  • 01:00:11
    concept um and supports it and gives
  • 01:00:13
    examples in the Quran he uses the word
  • 01:00:17
    for something else as well that was
  • 01:00:18
    quite intrigued to find that even when
  • 01:00:20
    it tells B is about their stories and
  • 01:00:23
    their history he calls us as well that
  • 01:00:27
    the knowledge of the Quran contains of
  • 01:00:29
    things that the rabbis thought that they
  • 01:00:30
    had alter themselves when it's revealed
  • 01:00:32
    to the prophet s wasallam then he
  • 01:00:34
    recites to them the stories of the the
  • 01:00:36
    past Nations that they used to keep to
  • 01:00:38
    themselves and gives them details that
  • 01:00:40
    they didn't even know because this as
  • 01:00:42
    well because doesn't just mean
  • 01:00:44
    scientific it means knowledge
  • 01:00:48
    based
  • 01:00:51
    right yeah yeah you can go go ahead
  • 01:00:53
    found interested open our
  • 01:00:56
    took first recourse to the
  • 01:00:58
    language whereas fi went straight to
  • 01:01:02
    science because F like I've had that
  • 01:01:04
    arent with someone my University and I
  • 01:01:08
    just I just sit there and Allah
  • 01:01:12
    said he saw it yeah so when it has
  • 01:01:17
    two is to do with experiencing something
  • 01:01:21
    but it's not Allah saying this is how
  • 01:01:23
    say yeah you can yeah exactly so in the
  • 01:01:26
    AY of it's possible to explain it in a
  • 01:01:29
    slight different way but actually that
  • 01:01:31
    that is what Ari is doing he's just
  • 01:01:33
    explaining why he's doing that in the
  • 01:01:34
    first place uh but why are we reading it
  • 01:01:37
    as he found it he observed it or he saw
  • 01:01:42
    that it was setting it doesn't mean
  • 01:01:44
    necessarily Allah is saying then it's
  • 01:01:46
    set in a pool of Mery water right so
  • 01:01:49
    these people who make this point always
  • 01:01:52
    you know they have to ignore the fact
  • 01:01:53
    that the language does not say that you
  • 01:01:56
    know the sun did set in a p of Mary
  • 01:01:58
    water it says he got to the
  • 01:02:01
    m that would appear to mean the setting
  • 01:02:03
    point of the sun that's part of the
  • 01:02:04
    issue and he found it
  • 01:02:08
    setting as two implies that he
  • 01:02:11
    experienced it so he may have even
  • 01:02:14
    thought that that was happening it's
  • 01:02:16
    possible and the Quran is telling that
  • 01:02:19
    for it's higher
  • 01:02:22
    reasons okay so here's two concepts I
  • 01:02:24
    just want you to have very clear in your
  • 01:02:31
    mind is essentially using science or
  • 01:02:35
    using the knowledge of the day including
  • 01:02:38
    through observation and scientific
  • 01:02:40
    theories to
  • 01:02:43
    inform and that's what we saw arzi doing
  • 01:02:46
    that's what we saw
  • 01:02:48
    doing there are saying I could perhaps
  • 01:02:51
    interpret the Quran in more than one way
  • 01:02:53
    here there are different possibilities
  • 01:02:56
    but the possibility that I'm going to
  • 01:02:58
    say is correct I'm going to bring
  • 01:03:01
    in the of the day the science of the day
  • 01:03:05
    to help guide that interpretation this
  • 01:03:08
    is and is not something strange it's not
  • 01:03:11
    something new it's not something
  • 01:03:13
    illegitimate it is in fact what you
  • 01:03:15
    should do because as I said we want to
  • 01:03:19
    interpret things in the most sensible
  • 01:03:20
    way and the sensible thing is not to go
  • 01:03:23
    against things that are well established
  • 01:03:27
    by modern
  • 01:03:29
    science while we all know that science
  • 01:03:32
    is liable to change that it could have
  • 01:03:34
    things which later on are
  • 01:03:36
    overturned if we attach that scientific
  • 01:03:40
    theory to the Quran definitively this is
  • 01:03:43
    one of the core problems of scientific
  • 01:03:45
    Miracles if one day we are all saying
  • 01:03:47
    that there's a big
  • 01:03:49
    ban and you know recently I mentioned
  • 01:03:51
    this example in Edinburgh University and
  • 01:03:53
    someone said to me actually there's no
  • 01:03:56
    nowadays scientists don't accept the Big
  • 01:03:58
    Bang at all and I said I need to have
  • 01:04:00
    that conversation with you later I'm
  • 01:04:01
    still catching up with the big bang
  • 01:04:03
    itself right so you know 16 billion
  • 01:04:06
    years is not enough for me to understand
  • 01:04:08
    it
  • 01:04:09
    so but if there is a Cas if there is a
  • 01:04:11
    theory that right now it's like everyone
  • 01:04:13
    is sure about it and we say the Quran
  • 01:04:16
    said this it said
  • 01:04:20
    this 100% it's saying this is a big bang
  • 01:04:25
    and then in 50 years everyone was talk
  • 01:04:27
    about remember that time we used to talk
  • 01:04:28
    about Big Bang what ridiculous idiots
  • 01:04:32
    that people wear back
  • 01:04:35
    then and oh oh we just said that the
  • 01:04:38
    Quran is definitely saying that so the
  • 01:04:39
    Quran is rolling out we have just canel
  • 01:04:42
    congratulations you have just played
  • 01:04:44
    yourself and you have cancelled the
  • 01:04:46
    Quran and you have made the Quran
  • 01:04:48
    scientifically
  • 01:04:49
    wrong but if you said it's a possible
  • 01:04:52
    understanding of this that when the
  • 01:04:54
    Quran says do the unbelievers don't see
  • 01:04:57
    that this the heavens and the Earth were
  • 01:04:58
    once joined and we split them
  • 01:05:00
    apart this big bang actually helps us
  • 01:05:03
    understand what that is saying and maybe
  • 01:05:04
    Allah has refered that
  • 01:05:08
    event that is that's fine because we can
  • 01:05:12
    then come back from that later and say
  • 01:05:13
    oh well maybe it isn't because what did
  • 01:05:16
    people think it was saying all these
  • 01:05:17
    years is one of the core problems what
  • 01:05:20
    did people think like they just had no
  • 01:05:21
    idea what it was talking about they had
  • 01:05:23
    no conception of what the Quran was
  • 01:05:25
    saying and it took Hubble and his
  • 01:05:27
    telescope to actually give us the
  • 01:05:30
    knowledge of what the Quran was saying
  • 01:05:32
    this creates a
  • 01:05:34
    problem so this
  • 01:05:36
    is is a
  • 01:05:38
    new field which emerged you might know
  • 01:05:42
    some of the figures Maurice bukai and
  • 01:05:44
    his book about the Quran and the Bible
  • 01:05:46
    and modern science and uh figures like
  • 01:05:50
    AB maid
  • 01:05:51
    Sani with uh his video series that he
  • 01:05:55
    did where he got gathered a bunch of uh
  • 01:05:57
    scientists and apparently maybe sort of
  • 01:05:59
    tricked them into saying some stuff
  • 01:06:00
    which later on they kind of said hey I
  • 01:06:02
    didn't actually mean it that way um and
  • 01:06:07
    people like Dr Zar and others who have
  • 01:06:10
    written on this subject have talked the
  • 01:06:11
    subject so became a bit of an industry
  • 01:06:14
    literally there were organizations set
  • 01:06:16
    up to promote it and then it started to
  • 01:06:19
    get a bit of a bad rep and people have
  • 01:06:21
    started to push back from within the
  • 01:06:23
    Muslim context and of course from
  • 01:06:25
    outside where the people who have
  • 01:06:28
    attacked it and used that to then as I
  • 01:06:30
    said blow down the House of Cards when
  • 01:06:34
    you build the foundation of faith upon
  • 01:06:35
    weak arguments you're opening us and
  • 01:06:39
    you're opening the Iman of your
  • 01:06:41
    youth to
  • 01:06:44
    attack because you built the the the
  • 01:06:47
    faith on weak premises you made it easy
  • 01:06:50
    for someone to come and destroy that
  • 01:06:51
    Faith later on you didn't build in them
  • 01:06:54
    an appreciation of ambiguity
  • 01:06:56
    and of flexibility and of how
  • 01:06:58
    scholarship on the Quran actually works
  • 01:07:01
    or even just something consistent with
  • 01:07:03
    that you instead gave them false
  • 01:07:06
    certainties and you told them about
  • 01:07:07
    colorful mountains and Rainbow Mountains
  • 01:07:09
    and that's what is talked about in the
  • 01:07:11
    Quran you told them about pulsar and
  • 01:07:13
    told them about bees having multiple
  • 01:07:15
    stomachs that's the example I'm going to
  • 01:07:17
    talk
  • 01:07:18
    about so there's a very nice paper by
  • 01:07:22
    Hamza sources may know of him it's an
  • 01:07:24
    old paper actually I think he wrote more
  • 01:07:26
    than 10 years ago and I looked again at
  • 01:07:29
    it last night and I said actually
  • 01:07:31
    alhamdulillah this is very nice it
  • 01:07:33
    covers the base very
  • 01:07:35
    well and on the left we see a kind of
  • 01:07:38
    summary of how a scientific Miracle
  • 01:07:41
    argument kind of goes number one the
  • 01:07:43
    prophet s wasallam did not have access
  • 01:07:45
    to the scientific knowledge mentioned in
  • 01:07:47
    the Quran therefore it must be from God
  • 01:07:48
    number two no one at the time of
  • 01:07:50
    Revelation had access to the necessary
  • 01:07:52
    equipment to understand or verify the
  • 01:07:54
    scientific knowledge in the Quran they
  • 01:07:56
    must be from God thirdly the quranic
  • 01:07:58
    verses were revealed at a time when
  • 01:08:00
    science was primitive and no human could
  • 01:08:02
    have uttered the truths men in the Quran
  • 01:08:04
    therefore it must be from
  • 01:08:05
    God so these are things which can be
  • 01:08:08
    individually challenged in individual
  • 01:08:11
    cases right but this is the kind of the
  • 01:08:14
    necessary background to constructing an
  • 01:08:17
    argument for a scientific Miracle right
  • 01:08:20
    if we said look the Quran talks about
  • 01:08:22
    the Earth being
  • 01:08:23
    rounded every it talks about the as I
  • 01:08:25
    said you can actually read it in more
  • 01:08:27
    than one way but let's suppose that it
  • 01:08:29
    was so clear the Quran says that Earth
  • 01:08:31
    is round well there were people before
  • 01:08:33
    who believed the Earth was
  • 01:08:34
    round a lot of times people make
  • 01:08:37
    assumptions not just
  • 01:08:38
    Muslims not just Muslims but we make an
  • 01:08:41
    assumption about the ignorance of people
  • 01:08:43
    in the
  • 01:08:44
    past and with further research you come
  • 01:08:47
    to realize
  • 01:08:48
    actually people did realize a lot of
  • 01:08:50
    things they did have a lot of things
  • 01:08:52
    right or if they didn't know for sure
  • 01:08:54
    certainly at least people believed that
  • 01:08:57
    the Earth was round there might be more
  • 01:08:59
    than one belief about
  • 01:09:01
    that we've sort of embed a certain
  • 01:09:05
    ironically a western triumphalist
  • 01:09:07
    approach that everyone was so ignorant
  • 01:09:08
    and thought that the Earth was flat and
  • 01:09:10
    then kernus came and right the white
  • 01:09:13
    people always are the ones who
  • 01:09:14
    discovered it right so we have absorbed
  • 01:09:17
    that and then we're misapplying it in
  • 01:09:19
    our oranic
  • 01:09:21
    interpretation so in the article I'm not
  • 01:09:23
    going to go through all of these points
  • 01:09:24
    but he
  • 01:09:26
    tackles the problems in these
  • 01:09:29
    headings the fallacy of the Undisputed
  • 01:09:31
    middle sort of logical problem isn't
  • 01:09:33
    there another possibility that you
  • 01:09:34
    haven't considered here when you're
  • 01:09:37
    putting a start dichotomy between two
  • 01:09:39
    things in acccurate history I just
  • 01:09:41
    touched on this teleology or just say
  • 01:09:43
    what is the quranic verse actually
  • 01:09:45
    talking about that was what I said
  • 01:09:47
    before but missing the point scientism
  • 01:09:50
    the problem of induction and empiricism
  • 01:09:51
    these are some problems in the
  • 01:09:52
    philosophy of science which also affect
  • 01:09:55
    the maneuver and scientific verses I was
  • 01:09:58
    talking to you about certain things that
  • 01:10:00
    could be read on their as going against
  • 01:10:02
    science what do we do we do will of them
  • 01:10:05
    so then are we conveniently going to do
  • 01:10:07
    will of the things that seem to go
  • 01:10:08
    against science but the things that
  • 01:10:10
    confirm science on we take them
  • 01:10:13
    on you see I don't like this kind of
  • 01:10:15
    dishonest approach let's be consistent
  • 01:10:17
    right let's be
  • 01:10:19
    consistent and the last point that he
  • 01:10:22
    touches on is about quranic exis itself
  • 01:10:25
    and that's where I want to give my focus
  • 01:10:28
    and I'm just really going to share three
  • 01:10:30
    examples we still got the energy I put
  • 01:10:33
    the videos in because I thought that
  • 01:10:34
    might uh you might find it more
  • 01:10:36
    stimulating so I don't want to bully any
  • 01:10:38
    individuals or anything like that but
  • 01:10:40
    this is just literally something I saw
  • 01:10:41
    on Twitter recently and I thought Subhan
  • 01:10:42
    Allah this is someone vocalizing how the
  • 01:10:46
    Miracles in the Quran led him to
  • 01:10:50
    Islam and it's interesting because there
  • 01:10:53
    are other people who vocalize now
  • 01:10:56
    that this is what led them out of Islam
  • 01:10:58
    not the Miracles but finding
  • 01:11:01
    out that the House of Cards was built on
  • 01:11:04
    air so let's just listen to it because I
  • 01:11:07
    want us to reflect on what he says
  • 01:11:11
    here what positive W I hope that he
  • 01:11:15
    didn't uh base his faith on that because
  • 01:11:17
    the way he told us is that he's based
  • 01:11:19
    his faith on that and that's why I hope
  • 01:11:23
    he's not watching this video right cuz
  • 01:11:25
    I'm about to blow this one to Pieces
  • 01:11:27
    right so there's a there was a post also
  • 01:11:30
    that I I spoke about on
  • 01:11:33
    Twitter um and and some people told me
  • 01:11:36
    why did you not hide the name of the
  • 01:11:38
    person and I was like well he should
  • 01:11:39
    have hid his name not me WR so the point
  • 01:11:44
    is I'm not I'm not focused on the
  • 01:11:46
    individual I'm focused on the problem
  • 01:11:48
    and people should actually have this
  • 01:11:50
    sense of embarrassment and shame before
  • 01:11:52
    they put out things that are you know of
  • 01:11:56
    nonsense the Quran apparently according
  • 01:11:58
    to this stresses the in the individual
  • 01:12:01
    stresses and individual female be there
  • 01:12:03
    are abdomen I more than one stomach
  • 01:12:06
    which in Arabic is Bon by the way if if
  • 01:12:08
    the bee has two stomachs then this is
  • 01:12:11
    wrong because Bon is three or more
  • 01:12:13
    unless we do take wheel of it right to
  • 01:12:16
    try to fit the science but no apparently
  • 01:12:18
    the Quran is telling you the science
  • 01:12:19
    it's got multiple B so when they found
  • 01:12:22
    that it's got two stomachs we should
  • 01:12:23
    have said well the Quran contains a
  • 01:12:24
    scientif error based on the method
  • 01:12:27
    here points to a single female be no it
  • 01:12:30
    doesn't not at
  • 01:12:32
    all if it was supposed to refer to
  • 01:12:35
    multiple bees then the plural feminine
  • 01:12:38
    pronoun H which he spelled wrong would
  • 01:12:40
    be connected to the
  • 01:12:42
    verb this is wrong this clearly shows no
  • 01:12:45
    it doesn't that the noun stomach is
  • 01:12:47
    plural and the pronoun used is for third
  • 01:12:50
    person famine singular is
  • 01:12:52
    feminine this thing that a female work
  • 01:12:54
    could be has multiple CES not known
  • 01:12:56
    until very recently only this one fact
  • 01:12:58
    this is what I was saying to at the
  • 01:12:59
    beginning is one fact enough because
  • 01:13:01
    once I knock this one down we can go to
  • 01:13:03
    a different one and we can keep chasing
  • 01:13:04
    after the scientific Miracles until we
  • 01:13:07
    find one that works only this one fact
  • 01:13:09
    is enough for any person to believe in
  • 01:13:11
    the divine origin of the Quran and I
  • 01:13:12
    didn't believe that until I watched this
  • 01:13:15
    video but let's go into it in the so I
  • 01:13:18
    you know I'm not just going to I just
  • 01:13:21
    dispute I will go to the books and see
  • 01:13:23
    what did they say about these
  • 01:13:25
    [Music]
  • 01:13:26
    in the past were they sitting there
  • 01:13:28
    saying why does this say that bees have
  • 01:13:30
    multiple
  • 01:13:33
    stomachs we need modern we need someone
  • 01:13:35
    to come some centuries later with modern
  • 01:13:37
    science by the way they could dissect a
  • 01:13:39
    be it's not that hard doesn't really
  • 01:13:41
    require mult you know any so were they
  • 01:13:46
    of the view that this is saying that b
  • 01:13:47
    have multiple stomachs if not why not
  • 01:13:51
    and if there's another way of
  • 01:13:52
    understanding it then why don't we just
  • 01:13:55
    assume that that other way is right why
  • 01:13:57
    would we assume that it's saying that B
  • 01:13:59
    has multiple stomachs noce from the
  • 01:14:09
    beginning so it's telling not one bee
  • 01:14:13
    but the bees to take houses it's not
  • 01:14:16
    telling one bee to take multiple houses
  • 01:14:20
    you see how that's
  • 01:14:22
    absurd this feminine singular is being
  • 01:14:25
    for all the Beast this is something
  • 01:14:27
    which is
  • 01:14:31
    called something like as
  • 01:14:34
    well it is allowed in the Arabic
  • 01:14:36
    language to use the feminine singular
  • 01:14:38
    and to use the masculine
  • 01:14:40
    singular so for example here on the
  • 01:14:42
    right you see a little bit of the
  • 01:14:44
    example in one place the used in the
  • 01:14:50
    masculine in the other ay
  • 01:14:58
    in the feminine so each of these is
  • 01:15:00
    correct according to the Arabic language
  • 01:15:02
    and in the
  • 01:15:03
    Quran
  • 01:15:05
    so all the bees are being told and
  • 01:15:08
    then means from there
  • 01:15:11
    bellies very simply they always
  • 01:15:14
    understood it this way they were right
  • 01:15:16
    to understand it this way the scientific
  • 01:15:19
    so-called pseudo scientific explanation
  • 01:15:21
    is wrong and you see why I'm emotional
  • 01:15:23
    about it this is of the
  • 01:15:26
    you're actually distorting the meaning
  • 01:15:27
    of the Quran you're actually telling me
  • 01:15:29
    some things that are wrong in the Arabic
  • 01:15:31
    language and all for what for the bees
  • 01:15:34
    bals so now we're going to not any
  • 01:15:37
    longer know about and how it works and
  • 01:15:39
    we're not going to
  • 01:15:41
    understand
  • 01:15:44
    and we're not going to understand that
  • 01:15:46
    because we're going to have these new
  • 01:15:49
    rules somebody once was making this you
  • 01:15:51
    know Silly interpretation of the Quran I
  • 01:15:53
    said to well that doesn't work because
  • 01:15:55
    uh you you can't say
  • 01:15:59
    uh he was trying to say could be in the
  • 01:16:03
    meaning
  • 01:16:06
    of right nonsense nonsense don't try to
  • 01:16:08
    think about it don't let to go in your
  • 01:16:09
    head but when I said to him that doesn't
  • 01:16:11
    work because then it would have
  • 01:16:14
    to he said no because uh musters are non
  • 01:16:20
    binary the must don't have a
  • 01:16:22
    gender so I was like do you love your
  • 01:16:25
    interpretation so much that you're
  • 01:16:27
    willing to destroy the Arabic language
  • 01:16:28
    to defend it and that's what happened in
  • 01:16:31
    the post that we read he destroyed the
  • 01:16:33
    Arabic language and the English language
  • 01:16:34
    at the same
  • 01:16:35
    time is can be treated as masculine or
  • 01:16:40
    feminine and
  • 01:16:42
    as makes clear in his gloss
  • 01:16:45
    on the bees is treated as feminine
  • 01:16:48
    according to meaning as though to
  • 01:16:52
    say okay you ready for another video
  • 01:16:58
    right by the way I'm I'm not sure that
  • 01:17:00
    I'm picking here the best examples or
  • 01:17:03
    the worst examples they're just examples
  • 01:17:05
    that at some point have triggered me as
  • 01:17:07
    you can see and so I'm putting them on
  • 01:17:09
    you now right but I don't believe that
  • 01:17:11
    these are particularly worse than other
  • 01:17:14
    things I think this they are pretty
  • 01:17:16
    representative there may definitely be
  • 01:17:19
    examples where someone has just been
  • 01:17:20
    much more sensible in the way they
  • 01:17:22
    framed it and examples that are stronger
  • 01:17:24
    in the Quran
  • 01:17:25
    I'm not here trying to straw man the
  • 01:17:27
    whole thing but I'm picking some
  • 01:17:29
    examples so you can see the kind of
  • 01:17:30
    things that can
  • 01:17:34
    Gordon so anyway I put some of the
  • 01:17:37
    issues here you have got the sense by
  • 01:17:39
    now what is our critique here saying
  • 01:17:43
    that nobody would have understood is not
  • 01:17:44
    a
  • 01:17:45
    plus that this Quran is so miraculous
  • 01:17:48
    that people didn't understand it and
  • 01:17:49
    they had no idea what it was talking
  • 01:17:51
    about pick up any Tere you will find
  • 01:17:53
    them talking about what
  • 01:17:57
    right knock KN
  • 01:18:04
    KN you don't know how these jokes work
  • 01:18:07
    okay it's not a joke that's just what
  • 01:18:10
    means that's it so
  • 01:18:13
    look so the thing is that they
  • 01:18:15
    understood that this means a night
  • 01:18:17
    visitor it's a star or something like a
  • 01:18:20
    star that appears at night and this
  • 01:18:23
    would be identified with various things
  • 01:18:24
    it could be Venus which is known as the
  • 01:18:26
    morning star or the night star even
  • 01:18:28
    though it is a fact a planet but
  • 01:18:30
    classically has often been been
  • 01:18:32
    identified as though it's a star because
  • 01:18:35
    it would come at night and when people
  • 01:18:37
    would come back to a town you know or
  • 01:18:40
    their visiting a place and they arrive
  • 01:18:41
    at night they wouldn't just go into the
  • 01:18:44
    town because then they could be seen as
  • 01:18:46
    maybe up to Mischief or an Invader or
  • 01:18:48
    something at their call so they would uh
  • 01:18:51
    get something and they would you know
  • 01:18:55
    as they're coming in they would knock so
  • 01:18:58
    that's why as he correctly
  • 01:19:00
    said uh it means also someone who visits
  • 01:19:02
    at
  • 01:19:03
    night so why do we have to then bring
  • 01:19:06
    Pulsar into it is it possible that the
  • 01:19:10
    Ayah in some way is also referring to
  • 01:19:13
    pulsars
  • 01:19:14
    maybe but what we can't do is say well
  • 01:19:17
    let's definitely talking about pulsars
  • 01:19:18
    in order to construct the scientific
  • 01:19:20
    medical argument who is going to be
  • 01:19:22
    convinced by that only someone that we
  • 01:19:23
    manag to trick
  • 01:19:25
    only someone that we managed to trick at
  • 01:19:28
    the da table took shahada then later on
  • 01:19:31
    their faith will be destroyed when they
  • 01:19:33
    watch
  • 01:19:35
    this so it's important to know that the
  • 01:19:37
    Arabic Quran is an Arabic Quran it uses
  • 01:19:41
    certain Norms of speech meant something
  • 01:19:43
    to those people they didn't hear as by
  • 01:19:47
    the sky and the
  • 01:19:49
    knocker what is the
  • 01:19:51
    knocker the star what's the knocking
  • 01:19:54
    star they didn't get confused like this
  • 01:19:56
    they had a clear conception of what
  • 01:19:58
    meant it also appeals to things that
  • 01:20:01
    they know and this is a general rle the
  • 01:20:03
    Quran is going to say have they not seen
  • 01:20:05
    that the heavens and the Earth were once
  • 01:20:06
    joined have they not seen do you not see
  • 01:20:09
    in the sky do you not see the mountains
  • 01:20:11
    and their different colors it's
  • 01:20:13
    appealing to things that they have seen
  • 01:20:14
    and things that they see and things that
  • 01:20:16
    they know in order to make a point to
  • 01:20:17
    them if they don't know what the Quran
  • 01:20:19
    is talking about then how is the Quran
  • 01:20:20
    making its
  • 01:20:22
    point last one
  • 01:20:25
    my favorite and this one by the way like
  • 01:20:29
    comes all the time people keep repeating
  • 01:20:31
    this one I keep getting sent pictures of
  • 01:20:34
    these
  • 01:20:35
    mountains the first thing I'll tell you
  • 01:20:37
    by the way what you're about to see in
  • 01:20:38
    the pictures is not in China that's like
  • 01:20:40
    they have to get everything wrong what
  • 01:20:42
    you're going to see is mountains in Peru
  • 01:20:44
    not in
  • 01:20:49
    China so I want you to remember these
  • 01:20:52
    three things meanings manifestations and
  • 01:20:55
    Les meaning of the Quran is what does
  • 01:20:59
    let's look at the words let's look at
  • 01:21:00
    the possibilities let's understand this
  • 01:21:02
    in the best possible way using all the
  • 01:21:04
    tools that we have in and let's bring in
  • 01:21:07
    the knowledge of the world as
  • 01:21:09
    well meanings good
  • 01:21:14
    manifestations when Allah talks in Ayah
  • 01:21:17
    27 of F that you see tracks in the
  • 01:21:19
    mountains red white and black by the way
  • 01:21:23
    when you saw those mountains they look
  • 01:21:24
    red white black or they were like all
  • 01:21:26
    the colors of the rainbow do you really
  • 01:21:27
    feel it's the same thing I don't but
  • 01:21:30
    maybe upon seeing that we say Subhan
  • 01:21:33
    Allah you see how Allah talked about
  • 01:21:35
    those tracks in the M this is even more
  • 01:21:37
    varied in his colors and Allah created
  • 01:21:40
    this as well and Allah told me to
  • 01:21:42
    appreciate his creation and the
  • 01:21:44
    diversity the even the colors within the
  • 01:21:46
    mountains the Arabian mountains that
  • 01:21:48
    they all saw the tracks and the colors
  • 01:21:50
    within it but you know what there's even
  • 01:21:52
    mountains that are even more colorful
  • 01:21:53
    and amazing than and Peru and China and
  • 01:21:55
    apparently in Iran now we seen that as
  • 01:21:57
    well so manifestations this is
  • 01:22:01
    manifestations of Allah's signs in the
  • 01:22:03
    creation we can appreciate it on that
  • 01:22:04
    level without saying and that's
  • 01:22:09
    what and thirdly miracles Miracles
  • 01:22:12
    requires this construction of an
  • 01:22:14
    argument which is not going to work to
  • 01:22:17
    say that the prophet
  • 01:22:18
    sallam you know could not have known
  • 01:22:21
    this because he didn't travel to China
  • 01:22:23
    so how did he know about colorful Lance
  • 01:22:26
    I'm sorry you've just misapplied as to
  • 01:22:28
    what the Quran is talking about final
  • 01:22:31
    thing
  • 01:22:33
    recommendations study the
  • 01:22:35
    world study the world in all its forms
  • 01:22:39
    and use this to help you understand the
  • 01:22:41
    Revelation and use it to help you
  • 01:22:43
    appreciate the Revelation right the
  • 01:22:45
    meanings and the
  • 01:22:48
    manifestations and any argument that we
  • 01:22:52
    make to a skeptic or indeed someone that
  • 01:22:55
    we are doing D to any argument that we
  • 01:22:57
    make test it critically first have I
  • 01:23:01
    applied some ad hoc reasoning have I uh
  • 01:23:05
    applied false
  • 01:23:07
    certainty is there an objection that can
  • 01:23:09
    come to this then consider the objection
  • 01:23:12
    first like the great minds of our
  • 01:23:15
    tradition have done like imzi does all
  • 01:23:18
    the time he's telling you something that
  • 01:23:20
    says well you might object that such and
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    such well this is the answer that I
  • 01:23:23
    would give to that objection I saw you
  • 01:23:25
    coming and I have an answer to that
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    objection always we should be steps
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    ahead we shouldn't be the ones who get
  • 01:23:32
    embarrassed because we said something
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    that we hadn't looked into hadn't tested
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    and then someone throws it back in our
  • 01:23:38
    face and we have then embarrassed not
  • 01:23:39
    just ourselves but of course we have
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    placed the dean in that unfortunate
  • 01:23:44
    position
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