Inpatient and Observation Status with Utilization Management
Summary
TLDRThe presentation address differentiations between inpatient versus observation status. Lance Russell, from the Utilization Management Department, explained the importance of accurate status determination in healthcare due to its financial and compliance implications. He highlighted the necessity of detailed documentation to justify the status of a patient's admission, who may either be inpatient or outpatient, adhering to payer-specific protocols. The utilization team discussed procedures like the two midnight rule, used for determining if a patient status should be inpatient based on expected length of stay exceeding two midnights. The presentation covered the impact of incorrect patient status on hospital revenue, billing, and compliance. Additionally, they presented common observation diagnoses and emphasized the importance of accurate documentation, avoiding the repetition of details, to ensure proper justification for inpatient status. The presentation closed with a Q&A session addressing concerns regarding documentation practices and gathering feedback to improve the department's processes.
Takeaways
- 📝 Importance of detailed documentation in determining patient status.
- 💰 Incorrect status can significantly impact hospital finances.
- 👩⚕️ Utilization Management ensures compliance with Medicare and other payers.
- 🏥 Differentiation between inpatient and observation is crucial.
- 📊 Two midnight rule is vital for inpatient expectations.
- 🧐 Common observation diagnoses aid in status determination.
- 🔍 Tools like InterQual help define medical necessity.
- 🚫 Avoid backdating or post-discharge changes in patient status.
- 🔄 Proper documentation practices reduce audit risks.
- 📋 Clear progress notes prevent copy-pasting issues.
- 📞 Utilization Management provides near 24/7 support.
- 📈 Improving documentation practices benefits financial and compliance outcomes.
Timeline
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The meeting begins with introductions of the Utilization Management Department team, including Lance Russell and Cheryl Smith, who will discuss inpatient versus observation status. The focus is on addressing challenges related to new hires and existing staff struggling with differentiating between inpatient and observation. Key topics include conversion rates and decision-making processes for patient status.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Lance Russell begins by explaining the purpose of the Utilization Management department, emphasizing risk management, regulatory compliance, and ensuring necessary care for patients. Importance is placed on correctly determining patient status due to its financial implications, particularly concerning Medicare and Medicaid regulations. The concept of medical necessity is introduced, including its impact on billing.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Discussion on medical necessity continues. Medical necessity is defined as care or treatment deemed reasonable and necessary according to evidence-based standards. Various payer-specific protocols such as those from Blue Cross and Medicare are highlighted. Tools like Milliman Care Guidelines and the Interqual Level of Care Criteria are used to assess medical necessity. Emphasis is on the financial impact of non-compliance, which leads to denials.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
The focus shifts to the importance of accurate documentation and determination of inpatient versus observation status, a critical aspect due to payer regulations. Russell notes that inpatient and outpatient are the two main statuses, with observation being a service rather than a status. Emphasis is placed on reviewing all admissions within the first 24 hours to ensure accurate status.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Patient status impacts are discussed from multiple perspectives, including providers, patients, and hospitals. The financial health of hospitals is tied to accurate status determination. Proper documentation is highlighted as a defense against audit risk. Medicare's payment structure (Part A for inpatient, Part B for outpatient) is explained, noting implications for deductibles and copayments.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Russell explains inpatient status using Medicare definitions, highlighting the importance of admission orders and documentation of complex medical factors. The 'two midnight' rule under Medicare is introduced, explaining how it generally applies to admissions expected to last over two midnights. Proper documentation of this expectation in medical records is stressed as crucial.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
The talk covers exceptions to the two midnight rule and the importance of documentation in these cases. Reasons for early discharge such as improvement, transfer, or leaving against medical advice are noted. Any changes in status must be carefully documented to support medical necessity. Attempts to backdate orders are strictly prohibited due to compliance risks.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Observation status is defined as short-term, time-limited care for decision-making on whether a patient should be admitted. Limits on time for observation under Medicare, Medicaid, and commercial payers are noted. Common conditions suitable for observation are listed. The importance of documentation in justifying observation over inpatient status is reiterated.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
The process of documenting two midnight expectations and the necessity of clear, concise progress notes are discussed. Poor documentation examples are addressed, highlighting issues like copy-pasting and lack of medical necessity justification. The impact of inadequate documentation on denials and financial repercussions for hospitals is emphasized.
- 00:45:00 - 00:53:22
The session concludes with a Q&A segment covering common queries about status determination, the role of proper documentation, and addressing frequent issues like psychiatric admissions. Suggestions for improving documentation practices include avoiding copy-pasting notes and ensuring detailed progress entries. Open communication with utilization management for clarifications is encouraged.
Mind Map
Video Q&A
What was the main topic of the presentation?
The main topic was differentiating between inpatient versus observation status and its implications.
Who were the key presenters?
Lance Russell and Cheryl Smith from the Utilization Management Department were key presenters.
What is the financial impact of incorrect status?
Incorrect patient status can lead to significant financial costs due to denial from payers such as Medicare and private insurance, affecting hospital revenue.
What documentation is crucial for inpatient versus observation?
Detailed documentation that supports medical necessity, expected length of stay, and patient stability is crucial.
What tools are used for determining medical necessity?
Medical necessity is often determined using tools such as Milliman Care Guidelines and Change Healthcare Interqual Level of Care Criteria.
What is the significance of the two midnight rule?
The two midnight rule is significant for determining if an inpatient admission is reasonable, based on the expectation that the patient's stay will exceed two midnights.
Why is documentation important in patient status determination?
Proper documentation is essential as it directly impacts billing and reimbursement from payers via proper justification of medical necessity.
What are common observation diagnoses?
Common observation diagnoses include mild asthma, COPD, heart failure, nausea, vomiting, and other conditions that might not require full inpatient services.
What should be avoided when adjusting patient status?
Statuses should not be backdated and adjustment orders should not be made post-discharge for compliance reasons.
How should progress in patient diagnostics be documented?
Progress notes should be specific, avoid repetitive copy-pasting and should detail any changes in diagnosis or treatment.
What are the operating hours for contacting Utilization Management?
On weekdays, the department is available until 11 PM or 2 AM, and they offer continuous support during the weekend.
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- 00:00:00um
- 00:00:02so I just wanted to first thank
- 00:00:03everybody for coming this afternoon
- 00:00:07who we have is the utilization
- 00:00:08Management Department with us we have
- 00:00:10Lance Russell and Cheryl Smith
- 00:00:13um and a few others I'll let them
- 00:00:14introduce themselves
- 00:00:16um but they're going to be discussing
- 00:00:18the inpatient versus observation status
- 00:00:20I know there's been a lot of new hires
- 00:00:23and even a lot of questions from some of
- 00:00:25the older hires that we still have that
- 00:00:27still kind of have difficulties making
- 00:00:29the difference with inpatient versus
- 00:00:31observation so they're going to be
- 00:00:33talking about the conversion rates that
- 00:00:35we have and just how to make the
- 00:00:38decision with the inpatient versus
- 00:00:40observation so I'll let you take it over
- 00:00:42Lance
- 00:00:45all right thanks a lot for the uh invite
- 00:00:47to come and share can you all hear me
- 00:00:49fine
- 00:00:53yes we can hear you all right good deal
- 00:00:55I sometimes have technical difficulties
- 00:00:57with this Zoom
- 00:00:59are we going to talk about patient
- 00:01:01statuses and before we get into the the
- 00:01:03heart of that I want to lay just a
- 00:01:05little bit of groundwork to talk about
- 00:01:07utilization management and why we exist
- 00:01:10what we do and how we reach our status
- 00:01:14determinations uh
- 00:01:16I think we also need to understand a
- 00:01:18little bit of the financial impact of
- 00:01:20the organization about incorrect
- 00:01:21statuses and then look at inpatient
- 00:01:23conversion and lastly I've got some
- 00:01:25actual cases that I wanted to uh discuss
- 00:01:29with you all these are actually
- 00:01:30hospitalist cases that have been through
- 00:01:33uh some of the audit process with
- 00:01:35Medicare
- 00:01:38so um we exist to make your life
- 00:01:40miserable
- 00:01:42right wrong
- 00:01:45we do a lot of things that Encompass a
- 00:01:48lot of different areas a lot some of
- 00:01:51this deals with risk management
- 00:01:53Regulatory Compliance uh you're
- 00:01:57basically making sure that
- 00:01:58Hospital performance what we're giving
- 00:02:01is appropriate and necessary for our
- 00:02:05patients we're active across the
- 00:02:07healthcare Spectrum uh certainly
- 00:02:10outpatient inpatients Psychiatry rehab
- 00:02:13and
- 00:02:15we want to make sure that we are
- 00:02:18adhering to all of the payer specific
- 00:02:20protocols that we're getting our status
- 00:02:22right because billing is directly tied
- 00:02:25to all of that now I mentioned we exist
- 00:02:28to make your life miserable but we exist
- 00:02:30because Medicare says we have to exist
- 00:02:33part of our conditions of participation
- 00:02:35with Medicare is that we have to have a
- 00:02:38UR plan that provides review services
- 00:02:41that we provide as an institution and
- 00:02:44members of the medical staff to patients
- 00:02:47who are entitled benefits out of
- 00:02:48Medicare and Medicaid
- 00:02:50and medical necessity is a phrase you're
- 00:02:52going to hear me say a lot today
- 00:02:54that plan that Medicare requires says we
- 00:02:58have to do a medical necessity review on
- 00:03:01our patients when they're admitted to
- 00:03:02the institution during the duration of
- 00:03:04their stay and that includes all the
- 00:03:06Professional Services that we furnished
- 00:03:10so what is medical necessity
- 00:03:14well kind of depends on who you ask I
- 00:03:17suppose
- 00:03:18Dr Smith thinks that everybody ought to
- 00:03:20have a lactulose Cinema every two hours
- 00:03:22just for good health and
- 00:03:24regularity Dr Jones thinks it should be
- 00:03:27our six hours and Dr Kumar says they're
- 00:03:30all idiots who's right
- 00:03:33medical necessity is as simply defined
- 00:03:35as care treatment that is reasonable
- 00:03:37necessary appropriate based on
- 00:03:39evidence-based standards of care
- 00:03:41and that's a very important point
- 00:03:44evidence-based standards of care
- 00:03:46determine best practices your practice
- 00:03:49standards some of our payers have
- 00:03:51specific protocols that we have to
- 00:03:53follow Blue Cross has their own special
- 00:03:55stuff Medicare has National local
- 00:03:58coverage determinations that we have to
- 00:04:00abide by
- 00:04:01we also use medical necessity screening
- 00:04:03tools milliman care guidelines is one
- 00:04:06that is used by some of our payers at
- 00:04:08UAB we use the change Healthcare
- 00:04:10interqual level of care criteria and
- 00:04:13these are the tools we use to help us
- 00:04:15determine medical necessity
- 00:04:18why is it important because payers are
- 00:04:20not going to pay us for care that they
- 00:04:23deem not medically necessary
- 00:04:25that includes Medicare Blue Cross all of
- 00:04:28our commercial payers
- 00:04:30they will deny if we provide care that
- 00:04:33is not medically necessary
- 00:04:35CMS denials are retrospective and can
- 00:04:37have a larger impact on the Financial
- 00:04:39Health hospital because depending on how
- 00:04:42things go with those on audit we can
- 00:04:45have our reimbursement rate across the
- 00:04:47board reduced
- 00:04:49and some of our payers May determine
- 00:04:51that inpatient care is not medically
- 00:04:53necessary they may approve the stay as
- 00:04:54observation
- 00:04:56they may decide that an entire episode
- 00:04:58of care is not medically necessary at
- 00:05:02any level of care
- 00:05:03and usually when our patients are
- 00:05:05medically stable and ready for discharge
- 00:05:07that's when payment is going to stop
- 00:05:10and out of network payers may not even
- 00:05:13pay us tall
- 00:05:14if the patient is deemed medically
- 00:05:17unnecessary to be in the hospital or
- 00:05:19once they have being stable so the
- 00:05:20hospital loses revenue and whether we
- 00:05:22like it or not Health Care is a business
- 00:05:25and we have to have a revenue stream
- 00:05:29we are seeing the rate of denials go up
- 00:05:31that's been up 23 since 2016. it's going
- 00:05:35up since covid and we expect that Trend
- 00:05:38to continue and when you look at that
- 00:05:42volume and you extrapolate it that's
- 00:05:43somewhere around 1.5 trillion annually
- 00:05:46in healthcare revenue and so you look at
- 00:05:48that percentage and just think about
- 00:05:50what Financial impact that that has to
- 00:05:52the hospital
- 00:05:54medical necessity makes up about 6.6
- 00:05:57percent of denials and it's really a
- 00:05:59catch-all category that
- 00:06:02deals with a lack of limit says you're
- 00:06:05maybe an inappropriate level of care and
- 00:06:08this is one of the areas where we as our
- 00:06:10department can make a big impact
- 00:06:13and better documentation again certainly
- 00:06:17impact those uh determinations
- 00:06:21so now I want to talk about statuses and
- 00:06:23how we determine those
- 00:06:25there are only two
- 00:06:27in the real world you either an
- 00:06:29inpatient
- 00:06:31or you are an outpatient
- 00:06:34UAB likes to complicate things because
- 00:06:36we break outpatient down into two
- 00:06:39statuses we have a vetted outpatient
- 00:06:42and we also look at observation as a
- 00:06:45status but in the real world it is not a
- 00:06:47status it is a service and all of our
- 00:06:49observation cases are reviewed to see if
- 00:06:52observation charges are appropriate
- 00:06:54based on payer regulations
- 00:06:58all admissions to the hospital are
- 00:07:01reviewed for status accuracy within the
- 00:07:03first 24 hours of admission
- 00:07:05and we look at observation cases daily
- 00:07:08inpatient appropriateness and we look to
- 00:07:11see if the documentation supports that
- 00:07:13upgrade if so the um nurse will enter in
- 00:07:15a verbal order to change that type to
- 00:07:17inpatient but if observation is
- 00:07:19appropriate no change is made and there
- 00:07:21are different criteria that we use for
- 00:07:23the reviews compare specific guidelines
- 00:07:25I've already mentioned those
- 00:07:26Medicare has a two midnight rule which
- 00:07:29I'm going to talk about in just a minute
- 00:07:30and I mentioned earlier the change
- 00:07:32Health Care uh inequal level of care
- 00:07:35and how frequently you look at our
- 00:07:38patients who are here long term depends
- 00:07:40according to the payer and the contract
- 00:07:42that we have with that particular payer
- 00:07:47who cares why does patient status matter
- 00:07:51matters for a bunch of reasons for a lot
- 00:07:53of different people
- 00:07:55for you as a provider appropriate level
- 00:07:57of care for your patient it also helps
- 00:08:00with throughput for our patients status
- 00:08:03determines their out-of-pocket expense
- 00:08:06and if they get a Big Bill it's going to
- 00:08:09affect patient satisfaction
- 00:08:11for a hospital though it contributes to
- 00:08:13higher Financial Health Emergency Health
- 00:08:15Care as a business we have to have
- 00:08:16Revenue
- 00:08:17it also has tied with it some compliance
- 00:08:20and audit risk that you may not
- 00:08:22appreciate I'm going to talk about some
- 00:08:23of that in a little bit
- 00:08:25but it's also a UAB medicine performance
- 00:08:28measurement uh inpatient conversions I'm
- 00:08:30going to talk about that as well
- 00:08:33this gives you a breakdown for
- 00:08:37traditional Medicare
- 00:08:39of how we're paid now part A pays for
- 00:08:41inpatient care Part B pays for
- 00:08:43outpatient part A is a drg there is a
- 00:08:47sixteen hundred dollar deductible for
- 00:08:48benefit period and once we get into day
- 00:08:5161 and Beyond they're into co-insurance
- 00:08:53days so that can add up pretty quickly
- 00:08:56Outpatient Care has an annual deductible
- 00:08:58but they typically pay 20 of Medicare
- 00:09:01allowed amount for most doctor Services
- 00:09:03each x-ray you order each MRI order
- 00:09:05ultrasound they're going to get a 20
- 00:09:08percent copay for that
- 00:09:10routine home medicines and prescription
- 00:09:13over-the-counter are not covered being
- 00:09:15on Hospital policy and so the total
- 00:09:17co-pay for outpatient services could be
- 00:09:19more than the inpatient deductible and
- 00:09:21that's one of the reasons that we look
- 00:09:24at that
- 00:09:25we are also required to notify our
- 00:09:29patients and this is federal law
- 00:09:31that requires us to notify them if they
- 00:09:33are in observation have been receiving
- 00:09:36observation services for greater than 24
- 00:09:37hours that their co-pays are going to be
- 00:09:40different it also can affect their uh
- 00:09:42post discharge plan
- 00:09:45because of the three midnight sniff rule
- 00:09:47that had been suspended for coven but as
- 00:09:51of the 11th of May is now back into
- 00:09:53effect
- 00:09:54and so we have to provide that in
- 00:09:56writing and verbally
- 00:10:00so let's talk now about the statuses
- 00:10:04what is an inpatient
- 00:10:06Medicare tells us an inpatient is
- 00:10:09somebody who is admitted to the hospital
- 00:10:10bed for purposes of receiving inpatient
- 00:10:12Services that's clear as mud
- 00:10:15they further Define inpatient Services
- 00:10:17as those that cannot be safely or
- 00:10:20effectively rendered at a lower level of
- 00:10:23care without jeopardizing the health or
- 00:10:24safety of the patient
- 00:10:27inpatient status begins within date in
- 00:10:30the time on an admission order and
- 00:10:33that's why admission orders are so
- 00:10:34important all of our billing is tied to
- 00:10:36that
- 00:10:38Medicare further says that the decision
- 00:10:40to admit as an inpatient
- 00:10:42is based on complex medical factors
- 00:10:45including but not limited to history
- 00:10:48comorbidities their signs and their
- 00:10:50symptoms severity what their medical
- 00:10:52needs and the risk of probability of an
- 00:10:55adverse reaction or adverse event
- 00:10:57occurring during the time period for
- 00:11:00which hospitalization is considered
- 00:11:03all of these factors that lead to your
- 00:11:05decision to admit as an inpatient must
- 00:11:07be documented in the medical record
- 00:11:10foreign
- 00:11:12has a two midnight Rule and I'm going to
- 00:11:14spend my time today primarily talking
- 00:11:16about Medicare regulations because they
- 00:11:19are the Big Driver
- 00:11:21the two midnight rule does not at the
- 00:11:25president apply to Medicare hmos but
- 00:11:27effective January 1 of next year it will
- 00:11:30and so that's going to be a big chunk of
- 00:11:32our payers are going to be following
- 00:11:34this to midnight Rule and I think some
- 00:11:35of our commercial Pickers
- 00:11:37follow something similar to this but not
- 00:11:40quite
- 00:11:42inpatient admission is reasonable and
- 00:11:45necessary if it is ordered on the based
- 00:11:48on the expectation that a beneficiary
- 00:11:50Lake this day will exceed two midnight
- 00:11:53so the record supports that expectation
- 00:11:56the record also has to provide clear
- 00:11:58supporting documentation of medical
- 00:12:01necessity for that admission
- 00:12:03and when we talk about the two midnight
- 00:12:05rule we can use time in contiguous
- 00:12:09outpatient services within the hospital
- 00:12:11prior to an inpatient admission and
- 00:12:13determining that expectedly to stay so
- 00:12:15when they come to the emergency
- 00:12:16department once treatment starts there
- 00:12:20that's when our midnight to midnight
- 00:12:22clock starts does it start with triage
- 00:12:25or wait time but treatment has to be
- 00:12:28started that can be Labs EKG uh whatever
- 00:12:32observation Services count in our two
- 00:12:35midnight expectation and also procedures
- 00:12:37in the operating room or other treatment
- 00:12:39areas like endoscopy hvc that are
- 00:12:42continued considered outpatient areas
- 00:12:45for patients who transfer to as the
- 00:12:47clock starts when care begins at the
- 00:12:49initial Hospital
- 00:12:52and I want to stress today if you don't
- 00:12:55get anything else out of anything that I
- 00:12:57say today I hope you can appreciate the
- 00:13:00importance that documentation plays
- 00:13:04Medicare and all of our payers expect
- 00:13:07that the medical necessity be documented
- 00:13:11in documenting the two midnight
- 00:13:12exception our expectation around
- 00:13:15you don't have to write a separate
- 00:13:16attestation that I expect this person is
- 00:13:18going to be here four days but we highly
- 00:13:20recommend it
- 00:13:21expected length of stay though can be
- 00:13:24inferred from standard medical
- 00:13:26documentation such as your plan of care
- 00:13:28your treatment orders and your progress
- 00:13:31so when you are writing all of your
- 00:13:34notes
- 00:13:35Details Matter
- 00:13:37why do you expect two midnights how did
- 00:13:40you document this was this carried
- 00:13:43through through your documented
- 00:13:44treatment plan
- 00:13:46it's critical that that documentation be
- 00:13:49there
- 00:13:49Details Matter and something as simple
- 00:13:52as an O2 sat reading or a patient that
- 00:13:55is hypoxic can make all the difference
- 00:13:57in the world in status determinations
- 00:14:01we've frequently seen Cellular hypoxic
- 00:14:04in the ER what does that mean how
- 00:14:06hypoxic was there sat below 89 percent
- 00:14:09that's one of the cutoffs for our
- 00:14:11criteria those things though they may
- 00:14:14seem trivial are very important in
- 00:14:17documenting the medical necessity and
- 00:14:19helping to support the two midnight
- 00:14:21expectations
- 00:14:23it's like being back in high school math
- 00:14:25we all remember what our teacher told us
- 00:14:27about show your work
- 00:14:29these suggestions here about
- 00:14:31documentation
- 00:14:33I've got them up under the inpatient
- 00:14:35header also apply for observation
- 00:14:39patients
- 00:14:41why does this patient need to be in the
- 00:14:43hospital
- 00:14:45is this patient unstable if they are
- 00:14:48unstable how are they unstable
- 00:14:51do they need frequent monitoring if so
- 00:14:54what type and why
- 00:14:56any abnormal physical findings please
- 00:14:58emphasize those the vital signs are lab
- 00:15:00values
- 00:15:01if there is a complex plan of care is
- 00:15:04that fully documented what acute needs
- 00:15:06do we have
- 00:15:08are we doing something that cannot be
- 00:15:10done in an outpatient setting
- 00:15:13is the patient still unable to walk to
- 00:15:15the bathroom are they still febrile
- 00:15:16they're vomiting every four hours if I
- 00:15:18despite Abby Zofran those are the kind
- 00:15:21of details that support an inpatient
- 00:15:23admission
- 00:15:25can these needs be addressed at a level
- 00:15:27of care level of care
- 00:15:29have you considered alternatives to
- 00:15:31hospitalization why are Alternative Care
- 00:15:34settings not appropriate and this last
- 00:15:37point is the patient at risk for an
- 00:15:39adverse event if they are not
- 00:15:41hospitalized those are things that we
- 00:15:43need to be able to see in the record and
- 00:15:46these are things that our Auditors look
- 00:15:48at
- 00:15:50as the treatment plan progresses
- 00:15:53has there been any change in your
- 00:15:55diagnosis has there been any change in
- 00:15:57your treatment
- 00:15:59it is particularly important that you
- 00:16:01document the patient's progress because
- 00:16:03that supports continued stay are they
- 00:16:05responding to treatment has your
- 00:16:07diagnosis change has your treatment plan
- 00:16:09been changed or modified
- 00:16:11progress notes that say the same thing
- 00:16:14day after day that have been copied and
- 00:16:16pasted are problematic
- 00:16:20I it's a little bit frustrating for me
- 00:16:22when I audit charts and I see that and
- 00:16:25it's really
- 00:16:25hard to see if there's anything that's
- 00:16:27changed maybe one or two words has
- 00:16:29changed in the subjective
- 00:16:31payers May refuse to review notes like
- 00:16:34that in fact we recently had a payer to
- 00:16:36refuse to accept notes like that that
- 00:16:38were copied and pasted so please be very
- 00:16:41mindful of that
- 00:16:43and the information provided in the note
- 00:16:45is it useful is it relevant I know we
- 00:16:48tend to sometimes on some Services get a
- 00:16:50little bit of chart bloat where you go
- 00:16:52through about two or three pages before
- 00:16:54you get to anything that is relevant and
- 00:16:56payers do sometimes bulk at that
- 00:16:59and so this documentation or lack
- 00:17:01thereof can put payment at risk
- 00:17:04our Auditors and our payers want to know
- 00:17:06what you were thinking and they want it
- 00:17:09clearly documented
- 00:17:11and our good documentation is the best
- 00:17:13way to ensure appropriate reimbursement
- 00:17:15so Details Matter
- 00:17:20I wanted to show you a couple of snips
- 00:17:22from
- 00:17:24charts that have audited that show how
- 00:17:27various doctors have documented this to
- 00:17:29me and not expectation
- 00:17:31this first one is fairly good because it
- 00:17:34addresses some of the morbidity
- 00:17:36mortality and that was actually
- 00:17:37addressed in the h p in the progress
- 00:17:40notes
- 00:17:41so that one is a pretty good one the one
- 00:17:43below yeah
- 00:17:45there's a four-day expectation and I
- 00:17:47don't remember if that was
- 00:17:49adequately addressed in the treatment
- 00:17:51plan
- 00:17:53if you document that on an inpatient
- 00:17:56chart that I admit to medicine for
- 00:17:58overnight observation
- 00:18:00that patient does not need to be an
- 00:18:02inpatient that is a major red flag for
- 00:18:04all of our payers all of our Auditors
- 00:18:07and it calls into question the two
- 00:18:09midnight expectations
- 00:18:12CMS and I don't think this flies really
- 00:18:14to hospitalists that much but there are
- 00:18:16a list of services that Medicare will
- 00:18:18only pay for in the inpatient setting no
- 00:18:21matter the length of staying
- 00:18:23the tavar procedure is one of them
- 00:18:27this list is updated every year by CMS
- 00:18:30and usually the CPT code is put in in
- 00:18:32the planning order for Planned
- 00:18:34procedures
- 00:18:36there are some exceptions to the two
- 00:18:38midnight rule
- 00:18:39CMS calls nationally identified a rare
- 00:18:42and unusual expectations
- 00:18:45such as mechanical and ventilation
- 00:18:46initiated in the present period now
- 00:18:48visit that is an exception to the two
- 00:18:52midnight rule that come in they get on
- 00:18:53the vent get them off and they may go
- 00:18:55home the next day
- 00:18:57Telemetry alone is not rare and unusual
- 00:18:59nor is ICU admission alone a type of
- 00:19:03rare and unusual circumstance that
- 00:19:04justifies inpatient absent a two
- 00:19:08midnight expectation you can be in an
- 00:19:10intensive care unit
- 00:19:11under observation I have actually seen
- 00:19:14that we had a case on audit several
- 00:19:16years ago where the Medicare Auditors
- 00:19:19denied it
- 00:19:20because the patient was submitted to ask
- 00:19:22you there was no two midnight uh
- 00:19:24documentation or expectation there
- 00:19:27there are some case-by-case exceptions
- 00:19:29that CMS allows
- 00:19:32some of these patients can be inpatient
- 00:19:35under circumstances circum circumstances
- 00:19:37and again this is based on good
- 00:19:39documentation decision judgment
- 00:19:41all of those things that we talked about
- 00:19:43earlier history of morbidity signs
- 00:19:45symptoms risks
- 00:19:47current medical needs even those that
- 00:19:49diagnostic services that might be
- 00:19:51appropriately outpatient can figure in
- 00:19:54and we are told rarely
- 00:19:57do stays under 24 hours qualify for an
- 00:20:00exception that is direction that has
- 00:20:01been given to the Auditors and most of
- 00:20:04the payers are going to say exactly the
- 00:20:06same thing
- 00:20:07there are some unforeseen circumstances
- 00:20:10that may arise that result in a shorter
- 00:20:12stay than the expected to midnights
- 00:20:14those have to be clearly documented in
- 00:20:16the record
- 00:20:18medicine that touches the world
- 00:20:20gets people better quicker that's fine
- 00:20:23as long as it's documented that they
- 00:20:25improved quicker
- 00:20:26transferred to another hospital we
- 00:20:28rarely do that
- 00:20:29leaving against medical advice hospice
- 00:20:32election or death
- 00:20:35and I want to stress this last point
- 00:20:37please do not downgrade observation at
- 00:20:41time of discharge if the patient is
- 00:20:44discharging before the second inpatient
- 00:20:46midnight I've actually seen
- 00:20:48one or two providers that will do that
- 00:20:51they'll put in a change patient type
- 00:20:53order to Observation right before the
- 00:20:54discharge order
- 00:20:56and the patients would appropriately
- 00:20:57been impatient
- 00:21:00but when that order goes in then we lose
- 00:21:02the ability to submit an inpatient claim
- 00:21:06and also observation charges began at
- 00:21:09the time of the observation order so we
- 00:21:10lose that Revenue as well
- 00:21:14short stay admissions are a big risk for
- 00:21:17us because of the Medicare audit program
- 00:21:21anybody who's an inpatient less than two
- 00:21:24midnights after the inpatient order
- 00:21:26may be selected for review by the audit
- 00:21:29administrative contractors and the
- 00:21:30recovery audit contractors the racks are
- 00:21:33people that we don't want to have to
- 00:21:35deal with
- 00:21:36but if we do not do well on our audits
- 00:21:39then we may have to
- 00:21:41care render for social purposes or
- 00:21:44reasons of convenience
- 00:21:46medicare payment is prohibited
- 00:21:48any extensive delay in providing
- 00:21:51medically necessary care is exclusive
- 00:21:54included from the tube midnight
- 00:21:55benchmark
- 00:21:56in factors that are an inconvenience the
- 00:21:58beneficiary family physician are not
- 00:22:00allowed by themselves justify part a
- 00:22:03payment
- 00:22:05and I know some of you have probably
- 00:22:06seen this pop-up
- 00:22:09when you are ready to discharge a short
- 00:22:12stay patient
- 00:22:13we put this in several years ago to kind
- 00:22:16of help us to prompt to document why
- 00:22:20this patient went home in less than two
- 00:22:23midnights and all of these are the items
- 00:22:27that Medicare said is okay for an
- 00:22:29exception
- 00:22:30but this is what is probably the most
- 00:22:33important is the supporting
- 00:22:34documentation
- 00:22:36this is just a place where you can put a
- 00:22:38little blurb in as to why this patient
- 00:22:40got better quicker than expected they
- 00:22:43left AMA whatever
- 00:22:45that documentation is extremely
- 00:22:47important
- 00:22:49and I have over the years seen white a
- 00:22:52variety of
- 00:22:54good and not so good documentation
- 00:22:58this is fairly good documentation on the
- 00:23:00Forum that you know they got better and
- 00:23:02sickle patient they got better
- 00:23:04with aggressive support symptomatic
- 00:23:06treatment
- 00:23:07this patient left Ama
- 00:23:10and there was actually a very detailed
- 00:23:12free text note outlining all of that
- 00:23:16this was a heart failure patient that
- 00:23:18improved the diuresis better than we
- 00:23:20were expecting and so they're stable and
- 00:23:22now they're better managed as an
- 00:23:24outpatient
- 00:23:27this was another one that was fairly
- 00:23:29good indicating a rapid Improvement in
- 00:23:32symptoms
- 00:23:33and stability for discharge
- 00:23:36this is not good documentation
- 00:23:39I had no idea what that meant
- 00:23:42but digging in the chart it means the
- 00:23:44patient was actually here for two
- 00:23:46midnights prior to the discharge
- 00:23:52a period
- 00:23:53that's one way to get around having to
- 00:23:55do that documentation
- 00:23:58that is not good
- 00:24:01that also is not good
- 00:24:04that was actually an attending position
- 00:24:05that charted that not sure about
- 00:24:07inpatient criteria to begin with
- 00:24:10and then that one I initially admitted
- 00:24:12as Oz or got a page from um to
- 00:24:14converting I don't know if that was some
- 00:24:16kind of religious experience or what but
- 00:24:17that is not good documentation
- 00:24:23why that documentation is so important
- 00:24:25uh just checking that form is not enough
- 00:24:28and this was actually from a recent to
- 00:24:31midnight claim that was denied because
- 00:24:32that form was there
- 00:24:34there was no supporting documentation
- 00:24:36actually in the record
- 00:24:38and so they tell us that just clicking
- 00:24:41that statement to conform this
- 00:24:42two-minute requirement is not enough and
- 00:24:45it goes back to what we've already
- 00:24:46talked about is that your documentation
- 00:24:48is exceedingly important
- 00:24:52bedded outpatient is someone who is an
- 00:24:56outpatient in a bed and they're going to
- 00:24:58stay overnight
- 00:25:00these are typically for outpatient
- 00:25:02procedures and even those that don't
- 00:25:04stay overnight not saying these
- 00:25:06surgeries I think are also have that
- 00:25:08status
- 00:25:09dialysis patients who that's all they're
- 00:25:12having done
- 00:25:13same day surgery is not inpatient only
- 00:25:16and we have figured into this 48 Hours
- 00:25:18of post-procedure monitoring expected
- 00:25:21complications
- 00:25:22unable to avoid oxygen weaning or just a
- 00:25:24couple examples of those
- 00:25:29observation is the one I think we
- 00:25:31struggle probably more with than
- 00:25:34anything else
- 00:25:36this is the CMS definition it's a
- 00:25:39well-defined set of specific politically
- 00:25:41appropriate surfaces including ongoing
- 00:25:44short-term treatment short-term is the
- 00:25:46key assessment reassessment before
- 00:25:48decision is made whether this patient
- 00:25:50can be discharged or they need to be
- 00:25:53admitted as an inpatient
- 00:25:55observation is time Limited
- 00:25:58majority of the cases
- 00:26:00that decision should be made
- 00:26:04within 48 Hours usually less than 24.
- 00:26:08traditional Medicare limits to 48
- 00:26:10Medicaid to 23 the commercial payers can
- 00:26:13vary from 48 to 72
- 00:26:18rare and exceptional cases
- 00:26:21in only rare and exceptional cases do
- 00:26:23reasonable necessary outpatient
- 00:26:24observation Services span more than 48
- 00:26:27hours an observation does not count
- 00:26:29toward those three qualifying midnights
- 00:26:31or traditional Medicare sniff placement
- 00:26:35Medicare does not provide payment for
- 00:26:37custodial care
- 00:26:40when you have a patient that is stable
- 00:26:42and or improving
- 00:26:45and you're excluding diagnoses that's
- 00:26:48your typical rule out
- 00:26:50those are cases you need to consider for
- 00:26:52observation
- 00:26:54if you are evaluating a patient and your
- 00:26:57treatment plan includes Monitor and or
- 00:26:59observe
- 00:27:01consider observation services for those
- 00:27:03cases
- 00:27:04if your documentation States we're
- 00:27:06admitting for observation
- 00:27:08that is a red flag that says this should
- 00:27:12be observation
- 00:27:14admit for placement social admissions
- 00:27:16family drop-offs I know you all in the
- 00:27:18hospital Services tend to get all of
- 00:27:21these those
- 00:27:23are a little bit problematic unless
- 00:27:25there is some underlying medically
- 00:27:27necessary reason for that admission
- 00:27:28those are generally put into
- 00:27:30observation and
- 00:27:33you manage whatever medically is going
- 00:27:35wrong in them inpatient is
- 00:27:38I was generally not appropriate for them
- 00:27:40unless there is some underlying
- 00:27:41medically necessary reason
- 00:27:45this is a list of common observation
- 00:27:48diagnoses
- 00:27:50and you'll note most of these
- 00:27:52particularly asthma COPD cellulitis
- 00:27:54heart failure
- 00:27:56mild cases of that
- 00:27:59probably need to start out an
- 00:28:00observation particularly if they have
- 00:28:02shown Improvement in the emergency
- 00:28:03department non-traumatic abdominal pain
- 00:28:07dehydration that's a big one for us
- 00:28:10that's a big red flag for observation
- 00:28:12failure to thrive
- 00:28:14that's a big concern
- 00:28:17gastroenteritis hypertensive urgency
- 00:28:19migraines nausea vomiting
- 00:28:22kidney stones without obstruction now
- 00:28:24that that could really go either way
- 00:28:27pain control chronic pain pneumonia
- 00:28:29stroke that's minor with resolving
- 00:28:31symptoms Dia syncope Syncopy usually
- 00:28:34always needs to start out as observation
- 00:28:37unless you've got some underlying
- 00:28:38arrhythmia that is causing it and
- 00:28:41uncomplicated UTIs
- 00:28:45we have created a patient status flow
- 00:28:48chart to help guide you
- 00:28:51and there's some updates that have been
- 00:28:53made to that and I will make those
- 00:28:55available I'll send them to Kim and she
- 00:28:56can distribute them to the group
- 00:28:58but this just kind of walks you through
- 00:29:00the thought process of dealing with that
- 00:29:03two midnights and determining whether it
- 00:29:05should be inpatient or observation
- 00:29:09there's another Aid that we will make
- 00:29:11available to you and this is the updated
- 00:29:13one I'll send that to Kim as well
- 00:29:16this is a document that's provided by
- 00:29:18change Healthcare which makes our
- 00:29:20interqual Criterium
- 00:29:22that goes through some of these
- 00:29:24diagnoses and gives you I don't know
- 00:29:27what what we are looking for when we
- 00:29:28review these cases to support
- 00:29:30observation versus uh inpatient
- 00:29:33and so I'll I'll make this available to
- 00:29:36everyone as well
- 00:29:39I just want to stress that admit orders
- 00:29:41are required for all admissions because
- 00:29:43that is directly tied to billing and so
- 00:29:47that's why that has to be there the
- 00:29:49order has to be timed and dated it also
- 00:29:51has to specify a patient's status it has
- 00:29:53to be either inpatient or outpatient
- 00:29:55observation
- 00:29:56and it has to be co-signed by the
- 00:29:58attending position prior to discharge
- 00:29:59observation building begins with the
- 00:30:01date time of the OBS order
- 00:30:03inpatient status begins when the
- 00:30:05inpatient order is written we cannot
- 00:30:07change post status post discharge for
- 00:30:10Medicare and most other payers and I
- 00:30:12want to stress again that orders may not
- 00:30:15be backdated it'll run into a situation
- 00:30:17A couple of years ago
- 00:30:20where a patient should have been
- 00:30:21admitted to inpatient
- 00:30:22and they were needing that free midnight
- 00:30:24stay but it was observation did not get
- 00:30:27upgraded and now they're ready to go
- 00:30:29and the provider went in and put a
- 00:30:33backdated order in after being told not
- 00:30:35to do that so that we would get that
- 00:30:37free midnight start so it would appear
- 00:30:38to be
- 00:30:39please don't ever ever ever do that back
- 00:30:42data orders not allow that as a
- 00:30:44compliance risk
- 00:30:46and when those things are done like that
- 00:30:49and after being told not to those get a
- 00:30:51referral to corporate compliance and I
- 00:30:53know none of you would do anything like
- 00:30:56that
- 00:30:58if you need to change status please
- 00:30:59don't discontinue the remit order don't
- 00:31:02enter a second admit order and do not
- 00:31:04modify the admit order for a status
- 00:31:06change there are other orders that we
- 00:31:08can use to um
- 00:31:11to deal with that
- 00:31:13of course yellow wall I think probably
- 00:31:15seen this pop-up this just means when
- 00:31:18you put a discharge order in that the
- 00:31:21inpatient order has not been signed it
- 00:31:23needs to be by the attending that is a
- 00:31:24CMS regulation
- 00:31:26CMS is very explicit saying residents
- 00:31:28and advanced practice providers are not
- 00:31:30allowed to co-sign that admit order so
- 00:31:32that's why you see that
- 00:31:35what I mention in inpatient conversions
- 00:31:37just briefly
- 00:31:39and this is an inpatient admission that
- 00:31:41is converted to outpatient
- 00:31:43as a result of a status change order
- 00:31:46and it's a total number of IPC orders
- 00:31:48divided by the total number of inpatient
- 00:31:50conversions divided by the total number
- 00:31:51of inpatient orders
- 00:31:53and it is a UAB medicine performance
- 00:31:55expectation that your rate be less than
- 00:31:58four percent
- 00:32:00and here is a chart that shows you where
- 00:32:03the hospitalist service has been over
- 00:32:06the last 12 months
- 00:32:08the hospitalist is in green all services
- 00:32:12are in orange
- 00:32:14and your rates have been as high as 6.4
- 00:32:18percent we kind of have gone up and down
- 00:32:20over the years and this is something
- 00:32:21that we monitor monthly
- 00:32:23and I do send a report uh out to some of
- 00:32:27your attendings and to the app
- 00:32:29supervisors
- 00:32:31with these rates if you're interested in
- 00:32:33knowing what your individual inpatient
- 00:32:35conversion rate is we can provide that
- 00:32:38data for you
- 00:32:42question
- 00:32:43if I expect the patient is going to stay
- 00:32:45two midnights or greater should I
- 00:32:46automatically admit them to inpatient
- 00:32:49status
- 00:32:51only if it is going to be medically
- 00:32:54necessary acute hospital care provided
- 00:32:56that cannot be provided in an outpatient
- 00:32:57setting
- 00:32:58or they're having a procedure that's on
- 00:33:01the inpatient only list they can be in
- 00:33:02the hospital greater than two midnights
- 00:33:04and not meet requirement for inpatient
- 00:33:06status
- 00:33:10can I admit all patients for observation
- 00:33:13and let um sort it out
- 00:33:16absolutely no
- 00:33:19it is the responsibility of the
- 00:33:21attending physician or designee
- 00:33:25to make a decision at the time of
- 00:33:27admission about their condition
- 00:33:29and the level of services provided
- 00:33:32so no it is not appropriate to admit all
- 00:33:35patients to outpatient observation
- 00:33:38and let the um nurse correct the status
- 00:33:41you have to consider all of those things
- 00:33:43that are baked into that two midnight
- 00:33:45rule for determining whether they should
- 00:33:48be inpatient or not CMS expects us to
- 00:33:50get it right
- 00:33:51on admission
- 00:33:53and there are some things that we have
- 00:33:55to report to CNS when we have to make
- 00:33:56changes because the status is not
- 00:33:58correct and that's a whole other
- 00:34:03area in the weeds that we don't need to
- 00:34:04get into
- 00:34:07if the discharge plan is for a sniff
- 00:34:10and I admit them in patient status so
- 00:34:12they meet the three-day qualifying
- 00:34:13inpatient state requirements
- 00:34:15if they do not require inpatient level
- 00:34:17of care they should not be admitted as
- 00:34:19an inpatient expressly to accumulate
- 00:34:22re-qualifying inpatient days needed for
- 00:34:25a covered sniff
- 00:34:27yeah
- 00:34:29so I want to now look at some actual
- 00:34:31cases
- 00:34:32and the cases that I selected as I
- 00:34:34mentioned in the beginning are cases
- 00:34:36from our short stay uh inpatient audit
- 00:34:39from the hospitalist service
- 00:34:42that were audited and denied
- 00:34:47and so this was a 90 year old a little
- 00:34:50lady who came to the Ed as a code stroke
- 00:34:52for altered mental status those are
- 00:34:54always
- 00:34:55uh sometimes a little bit problematic
- 00:34:57that started the previous night
- 00:35:01she was mentally responsive in the Ed
- 00:35:03for you to move your right side
- 00:35:06the family noted she had started taking
- 00:35:08three milligrams of melatonin recently
- 00:35:10and the patient admitted they're taking
- 00:35:12three of those pills the previous day
- 00:35:15so in the emergency department or
- 00:35:17encephalopathy improves she was still
- 00:35:19confused no stroke on Imaging admitted a
- 00:35:22hospitalist for management of
- 00:35:25encephalopathy likely secondary to
- 00:35:26melatonin ingestion
- 00:35:30medical history surgical history about
- 00:35:31what you would expect for somebody
- 00:35:33her age
- 00:35:36what status do you think she should have
- 00:35:38admitted to
- 00:35:40well need a little bit more information
- 00:35:42right
- 00:35:44blood pressure was elevated pulse was
- 00:35:45fine respiration is fine sat's fine
- 00:35:47temps fine
- 00:35:51she's improved
- 00:35:54CT head is negative CTA negative
- 00:35:59lab's not that spectacular
- 00:36:02toxicology negative UA unremarkable no
- 00:36:05covid
- 00:36:07so she was admitted as an inpatient
- 00:36:10initially started out with a one-hour
- 00:36:12vital signs in the Ed that was
- 00:36:13transitioned to six daily when the
- 00:36:15orders came in
- 00:36:16same with Euro checks regular diet
- 00:36:18ambulated with assistance ptot she was
- 00:36:21discharged the next day with a length of
- 00:36:23stay of 25.1 hours
- 00:36:26this is directly from the history and
- 00:36:28physical
- 00:36:29States it's an overdose of melatonin
- 00:36:31secondary uh causing the encephalopathy
- 00:36:34all we're doing is holding a melatonin
- 00:36:37getting PT to see her
- 00:36:40starting back our home blood pressure
- 00:36:41medicine giving her Tylenol is needed
- 00:36:44that was an observation admission never
- 00:36:47should have been intermitted as an
- 00:36:48inpatient
- 00:36:49and this is the rationale that the
- 00:36:51Auditors gave us
- 00:36:53she was stable there's no acute anything
- 00:36:57going on labs are unremarkable she's
- 00:36:59back to Baseline
- 00:37:00we admitted her for neurology evaluation
- 00:37:03she stayed one midnight
- 00:37:06now when our Auditors look at our charts
- 00:37:09they're looking for your documentation
- 00:37:12and asking is it reasonable or the
- 00:37:15admitting position to expect this
- 00:37:17patient to require medically necessary
- 00:37:19Hospital services or did they receive
- 00:37:21medically necessary Hospital services
- 00:37:23for two midnights or longer
- 00:37:26no was their answer
- 00:37:28the documentary plan of care monitoring
- 00:37:30neurology evaluation does not indicate a
- 00:37:32reasonable expectation between midnight
- 00:37:34stay
- 00:37:35he also asked us a record support the
- 00:37:37determination that the patient would
- 00:37:39require inpatient care despite not
- 00:37:40meeting the benchmark
- 00:37:42one of those exceptions one of those
- 00:37:44Case by case exceptions
- 00:37:46their answer was no
- 00:37:48monitoring a neurology evaluation and
- 00:37:51the patient with resolved symptoms do
- 00:37:52not meet criteria without a two midnight
- 00:37:55expectation
- 00:37:56and so we had to pay money back on that
- 00:37:58one
- 00:38:02this next patient was 54 year old who
- 00:38:06came to the emergency department with
- 00:38:08nausea vomiting epigastric pain
- 00:38:11history of gastroparesis gastric
- 00:38:13stimulators on dialysis diabetes
- 00:38:16hypertension
- 00:38:18Ed workup shows mild round glass
- 00:38:22opacities likely volume overload no
- 00:38:25ischemy on EKG proponent is flat and
- 00:38:29stable
- 00:38:30renal markers are where you would expect
- 00:38:31for a person like this low hemoglobin
- 00:38:34metacrit
- 00:38:35slight hypoglycemia they got better with
- 00:38:37dextrose
- 00:38:39they got multiple rounds of antiemetics
- 00:38:41and pain medications without last relief
- 00:38:43admitted inpatient status with a
- 00:38:44diagnosis of gastroparesis
- 00:38:47with a plan of care
- 00:38:50or a GI consult in supportive care
- 00:38:56we got one midnight but it was a 23 hour
- 00:38:58stay and this is the documentation it
- 00:39:00was actually on the list of two midnight
- 00:39:01form I got better sooner than expected
- 00:39:03and I guess that last statement uh
- 00:39:07not really sure what to make of that and
- 00:39:10be improved and he tolerated I guess
- 00:39:12that would be uh po intake
- 00:39:15so this is a rationale this is another
- 00:39:17one that would have been appropriate for
- 00:39:19observation
- 00:39:20nausea vomiting epigastric pain in a
- 00:39:22patient with these problems
- 00:39:26does not
- 00:39:28really supporting patient status because
- 00:39:30we get a little bit of fluid Monitor and
- 00:39:33advanced diet and dialyze
- 00:39:37so was the two midnight expectation
- 00:39:39reasonable the auditor said no
- 00:39:43that if you got an acute on chronic and
- 00:39:45that sometimes also can be a little bit
- 00:39:46of a problem in terms of status when
- 00:39:48you've got an acute chronic exacerbation
- 00:39:51or something nausea vomiting epigastric
- 00:39:53pain in that plane of care
- 00:39:56it was not reasonable to expect two
- 00:39:58midnights to complete
- 00:40:00did the record support and expect
- 00:40:01exception to the two midnight rule the
- 00:40:04answer was no
- 00:40:05because the patient was
- 00:40:07mental status was stable no changes EKG
- 00:40:11was fine
- 00:40:13there was no increased risk for this
- 00:40:15patient
- 00:40:17patient was stable
- 00:40:19and so they were discharged and so we
- 00:40:21had to repay some money on that one
- 00:40:27this patient was 80 years old coming to
- 00:40:30the emergency department
- 00:40:32with nausea and syncope asyncopy and
- 00:40:34nausea those are our
- 00:40:36common observation diagnoses
- 00:40:39hypertension lipids are high pad she had
- 00:40:44a history of ovarian lyomyosarcoma
- 00:40:4780 is systolic in route to the Ed but
- 00:40:50when she gets here she's awake confused
- 00:40:52slightly
- 00:40:54no neurological deficits blood pressure
- 00:40:56was fine EKG is an Sr without ischemia
- 00:41:00arrhythmia
- 00:41:02fat cells leukocytes in the UA that's
- 00:41:06Rocephin CT angio was negative
- 00:41:09she was admitted as an inpatient and
- 00:41:11discharged home the following day one
- 00:41:13midnight
- 00:41:1420 hours
- 00:41:16she can be resolved
- 00:41:23the Auditors looked at this case and
- 00:41:25said Edie showed a UTI
- 00:41:28or white Soul was normal
- 00:41:31she was stable
- 00:41:32she was committed for monitoring
- 00:41:33antibiotics and your whole meds
- 00:41:36this would have been another one that
- 00:41:37observation would have been more
- 00:41:39appropriate on
- 00:41:42was it reasonable to expect to midnights
- 00:41:44the auditor said no
- 00:41:47the plan of care is uncertain pending
- 00:41:50response to treatment and that's one of
- 00:41:51those if you're not certain
- 00:41:53and this patient is stable
- 00:41:55it's better to go observation
- 00:41:58land of monitoring and antibiotics the
- 00:42:00patient is stable without sepsis does
- 00:42:02not indicate a reasonable expectation of
- 00:42:04two midnights and needing to stay in
- 00:42:06acute care
- 00:42:07did it meet one of those exceptions
- 00:42:11they said no because she was stable no
- 00:42:15acute interventions expected
- 00:42:17no increased risk or probability for the
- 00:42:20time period for which hospitalization
- 00:42:22was considered
- 00:42:25so these are the kind of things that we
- 00:42:26have to deal with particularly with our
- 00:42:28documentation making sure that if we are
- 00:42:30going to admit somebody as an inpatient
- 00:42:32in the documentation is good
- 00:42:36and it supports it
- 00:42:40so that's all I had for today I want to
- 00:42:44um
- 00:42:44open up the floor for any questions that
- 00:42:48you all may have
- 00:42:52and she did a great job um one thing
- 00:42:55that I've always been confused about is
- 00:42:57when we as medicine are admitting
- 00:42:59psychiatric patients especially with
- 00:43:01like suicidal ideation we know they're
- 00:43:04going to be here until site clearance
- 00:43:06but really not a lot going on from a
- 00:43:08medicine standpoint are those better for
- 00:43:10us to admit as Ops
- 00:43:13I would say probably so
- 00:43:17and then my uh my other question is is
- 00:43:19there anything that you
- 00:43:21quickly have seen from our service
- 00:43:24like if you could just change one thing
- 00:43:26on our service that you think would be
- 00:43:27very helpful for us I would stop copy
- 00:43:30and pasting notes
- 00:43:31and I really I would and notes earlier
- 00:43:35in the day that's one of the things that
- 00:43:36we struggle the most with I think from a
- 00:43:39review standpoint is notes that uh get
- 00:43:41added to the Chart late in the afternoon
- 00:43:43it's really hard for us to make a status
- 00:43:45determination without that and sometimes
- 00:43:47the nurses will call and ask whoever the
- 00:43:49provider is you know what's the plan of
- 00:43:51care and it looks like there's going to
- 00:43:54be here for another one to two days and
- 00:43:55they wind up discharging about two to
- 00:43:57three hours after we do a status upgrade
- 00:43:59so those are things that would be quite
- 00:44:01helpful for us in terms of
- 00:44:04your service getting those notes in
- 00:44:06earlier and I know that's maybe
- 00:44:07sometimes a losing battle because of the
- 00:44:09sheer volume that you all have to do but
- 00:44:12yeah that copy and paste that's really
- 00:44:13uh
- 00:44:16is probably rough for y'all because from
- 00:44:19a workflow standpoint most people need
- 00:44:21to do their discharge summaries first if
- 00:44:23someone's going to a Sniff and so not
- 00:44:26very helpful for y'all but from a
- 00:44:27workout
- 00:44:28for some reason it kind of delays yeah
- 00:44:31observation cases if those notes went in
- 00:44:33earlier that would be really great
- 00:44:35because then that gives us what we need
- 00:44:37to make a status determination and we
- 00:44:40also contract with a physician advisor
- 00:44:42group that we can send these cases out
- 00:44:44to and get another physician who is not
- 00:44:46a field with Hospital look at them and
- 00:44:48kind of advise us and
- 00:44:50one of the things that they always put
- 00:44:52in their determinations is you know what
- 00:44:54they actually see as the risks or the
- 00:44:57probability of something adverse
- 00:44:58happening and those if that were added
- 00:45:00to the progress notes or the history and
- 00:45:03physical I think that would also be
- 00:45:05quite helpful
- 00:45:07in terms of supporting inpatient status
- 00:45:12anything from the initial note any uh
- 00:45:14diagnosis that we send to
- 00:45:16to fell on on a pretty regular basis
- 00:45:20uh I can't really say one that we fail
- 00:45:22on a pretty regular basis but anything
- 00:45:24that's on that list
- 00:45:26of common observation diagnoses that
- 00:45:28sets us up for failure
- 00:45:30unless the documentation is really there
- 00:45:32that um
- 00:45:33lays out the treatment plan those risks
- 00:45:37and particularly if it's somebody that's
- 00:45:39stable
- 00:45:45there
- 00:45:50I may have missed it earlier but that um
- 00:45:52list of uh like
- 00:45:55procedures that are inpatient only was
- 00:45:58that in the
- 00:45:59um
- 00:46:00was was that in the PowerPoint uh it was
- 00:46:03yeah it it's um
- 00:46:07let me back up
- 00:46:11and our um nurses all have a copy of
- 00:46:13that list if you're interested in
- 00:46:14getting a copy we can uh
- 00:46:17we might be able to provide that for you
- 00:46:21but usually by the time they uh if
- 00:46:23they're coming in specifically for
- 00:46:24surgery we're going to get them early on
- 00:46:27in the admission to get them into the
- 00:46:29appropriate status and you all may get
- 00:46:31them for uh follow-up care
- 00:46:35total hips total knees those are recent
- 00:46:38well I say recent within the last two to
- 00:46:41three years total hips came off the
- 00:46:42inpatient only the list on that drove us
- 00:46:45all Bonkers and even some of the total
- 00:46:47hips and how being done in Ambulatory
- 00:46:49Surgery centers and going home the same
- 00:46:50day
- 00:46:55and then I also had a question about
- 00:46:58um
- 00:46:59so as far as copying tasting notices
- 00:47:03is there a particular area like you
- 00:47:05mentioned this objective earlier it's
- 00:47:06like someone just became subjective for
- 00:47:09some related or something but
- 00:47:11um are there other like particularly
- 00:47:13problematic aspects of it like you
- 00:47:16mentioned below it but if we're you know
- 00:47:19relative like conscientious without
- 00:47:21reviewing the notes from people you know
- 00:47:24redundancies
- 00:47:26um keep an investment up to date
- 00:47:29it's hard to it's hard to completely and
- 00:47:31totally just contain that practice
- 00:47:33because especially people have been here
- 00:47:36long term
- 00:47:37yeah
- 00:47:39if you're if you're conscientious about
- 00:47:41your notes you're reading approving them
- 00:47:43making sure that um
- 00:47:46the needs are and what we're doing is
- 00:47:48addressed you know that's great that's
- 00:47:49fine no problems with those
- 00:47:53but is it helpful for you guys if we do
- 00:47:55have like say like a list of
- 00:47:57diagnosities or
- 00:47:59or versus
- 00:48:01I don't know is there something like
- 00:48:02that that would be helpful I don't know
- 00:48:04that active versus inactive and I mean
- 00:48:06if we're treating it um what you can I
- 00:48:08think sometimes you all document that
- 00:48:10whatever we're treating is resolved and
- 00:48:12if I remember correctly the average
- 00:48:14number of diagnoses at a UAB Hospital
- 00:48:16patient has is somewhere around 12 or
- 00:48:1813. and some of those we may be doing
- 00:48:20some kind of active management on them
- 00:48:22but yes if something is active we're
- 00:48:24actually treating that and you're you're
- 00:48:26documenting that progress under that
- 00:48:28particular heading of your progress note
- 00:48:30that's what we need and if something has
- 00:48:32resolved yeah just saying this is
- 00:48:34resolved that is quite helpful for us
- 00:48:39and then and then also one more thing um
- 00:48:41you mentioned a blurb about
- 00:48:44um
- 00:48:44you know kind of where we're at with
- 00:48:47perspective like you know
- 00:48:49they have discharge their link to stay
- 00:48:51like is that something that if that was
- 00:48:53updated routinely in the note
- 00:48:56that would be helpful that I kept that
- 00:48:58right yeah if that is addressed in those
- 00:49:00that is quite helpful we do uh we do
- 00:49:02appreciate that because that helps us to
- 00:49:04support that to midnight expectation
- 00:49:06okay
- 00:49:07but just just that blanket statement
- 00:49:09though is not enough we've got it's got
- 00:49:11to be supported by your plan of care
- 00:49:15okay
- 00:49:16this is the barrier this is going to
- 00:49:18take place until Monday something like
- 00:49:21that yeah um okay
- 00:49:24and then for those of us who like Auto
- 00:49:26populate like say the um
- 00:49:28the patient's Vital Signs okay if I was
- 00:49:33to write you know the hypoxic
- 00:49:34respiratory failure but then you look up
- 00:49:36under the
- 00:49:37um the physical exam and you see where
- 00:49:40it says that the patient's lowest stat
- 00:49:42was uh you know 78 reported in the last
- 00:49:4624 hours there's something like that
- 00:49:49adequate that is adequate as long as it
- 00:49:52is documented in the record and what I
- 00:49:54have seen it's in the church that I've
- 00:49:55audited over the years is looking at
- 00:49:57that the diagnosis respiratory failure
- 00:50:00they desatted when they emulated but
- 00:50:03then I look in the notes all I see are
- 00:50:06spo2 92 to 100 and even going back into
- 00:50:10the emergency department we don't really
- 00:50:11see anything other than the newer
- 00:50:13hypoxic so it's kind of hard to tell
- 00:50:15exactly what that means so yeah if as
- 00:50:17long as there's a number documented
- 00:50:19there that is quite helpful
- 00:50:22so anything below 92
- 00:50:24percent carrier for you guys
- 00:50:25you guys 89.
- 00:50:2789 is what most of our interqual
- 00:50:29criteria look at but even that alone is
- 00:50:31not enough it has to be uh some of that
- 00:50:34other stuff that's there but yeah 89 and
- 00:50:37below is it's really helpful and also
- 00:50:39from a case management perspective uh a
- 00:50:42room air set I know they have to have it
- 00:50:43at a certain level before uh Medicare
- 00:50:46some of these other uh
- 00:50:48commercial payers will cover home oxygen
- 00:50:51but that's usually uh getting close to
- 00:50:53discharge once all the treatment's done
- 00:50:55they take them off they're actually
- 00:50:57going to ambulate them and get that room
- 00:50:58air set I think it has to be uh I'm not
- 00:51:01mistaken it has to be below 90 percent I
- 00:51:04may be wrong on that
- 00:51:08details and documentation matter
- 00:51:16yeah I was just going to say Lance I I
- 00:51:18don't want to make everyone fearful of
- 00:51:22making anybody inpatient with the
- 00:51:23denials
- 00:51:27um
- 00:51:28and I know that do you guys still have
- 00:51:30someone around 24 7 that they can
- 00:51:32contact if there's any questions or
- 00:51:34something
- 00:51:36we have a um nurse during the day uh
- 00:51:39hospitalist I think has three or four
- 00:51:42nurses specifically dedicated to the
- 00:51:44hospital service
- 00:51:46on the weekend we have an ed staff
- 00:51:49that's 24 7.
- 00:51:51or what 24 hours a day on the weekend on
- 00:51:55weekday nights we have somebody
- 00:51:56available until 2 A.M in the emergency
- 00:51:59department so yes we are happy
- 00:52:02to uh talk with you all and answer any
- 00:52:04questions you have if you can't quite
- 00:52:05make up your mind which way the status
- 00:52:07goes now I don't want to scare anybody
- 00:52:09about putting in patient on the order
- 00:52:11either but
- 00:52:12we just have to make sure that we've got
- 00:52:14that supporting documentation there
- 00:52:19it was just Tuesday through Friday
- 00:52:22okay Monday is to 11 I believe I believe
- 00:52:26this
- 00:52:32well thank you Lance I think you did an
- 00:52:34excellent job
- 00:52:38does anybody else have any other further
- 00:52:39questions or comments about anything
- 00:52:48okay I guess we'll end it for right now
- 00:52:50and um Lance if um you want to send me
- 00:52:53the contact of how to get a hold of
- 00:52:55someone if they need to reach someone in
- 00:52:59utilization management if they're having
- 00:53:00issues or problems with a status I think
- 00:53:02it certainly will know how to reach them
- 00:53:04but if we can be out there
- 00:53:08sure
- 00:53:09well thank you very much we appreciate
- 00:53:12it it's our pleasure
- 00:53:13have a good one thank you bye-bye bye
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