Inpatient and Observation Status with Utilization Management

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Summary

TLDRThe presentation address differentiations between inpatient versus observation status. Lance Russell, from the Utilization Management Department, explained the importance of accurate status determination in healthcare due to its financial and compliance implications. He highlighted the necessity of detailed documentation to justify the status of a patient's admission, who may either be inpatient or outpatient, adhering to payer-specific protocols. The utilization team discussed procedures like the two midnight rule, used for determining if a patient status should be inpatient based on expected length of stay exceeding two midnights. The presentation covered the impact of incorrect patient status on hospital revenue, billing, and compliance. Additionally, they presented common observation diagnoses and emphasized the importance of accurate documentation, avoiding the repetition of details, to ensure proper justification for inpatient status. The presentation closed with a Q&A session addressing concerns regarding documentation practices and gathering feedback to improve the department's processes.

Takeaways

  • 📝 Importance of detailed documentation in determining patient status.
  • 💰 Incorrect status can significantly impact hospital finances.
  • 👩‍⚕️ Utilization Management ensures compliance with Medicare and other payers.
  • 🏥 Differentiation between inpatient and observation is crucial.
  • 📊 Two midnight rule is vital for inpatient expectations.
  • 🧐 Common observation diagnoses aid in status determination.
  • 🔍 Tools like InterQual help define medical necessity.
  • 🚫 Avoid backdating or post-discharge changes in patient status.
  • 🔄 Proper documentation practices reduce audit risks.
  • 📋 Clear progress notes prevent copy-pasting issues.
  • 📞 Utilization Management provides near 24/7 support.
  • 📈 Improving documentation practices benefits financial and compliance outcomes.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The meeting begins with introductions of the Utilization Management Department team, including Lance Russell and Cheryl Smith, who will discuss inpatient versus observation status. The focus is on addressing challenges related to new hires and existing staff struggling with differentiating between inpatient and observation. Key topics include conversion rates and decision-making processes for patient status.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Lance Russell begins by explaining the purpose of the Utilization Management department, emphasizing risk management, regulatory compliance, and ensuring necessary care for patients. Importance is placed on correctly determining patient status due to its financial implications, particularly concerning Medicare and Medicaid regulations. The concept of medical necessity is introduced, including its impact on billing.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Discussion on medical necessity continues. Medical necessity is defined as care or treatment deemed reasonable and necessary according to evidence-based standards. Various payer-specific protocols such as those from Blue Cross and Medicare are highlighted. Tools like Milliman Care Guidelines and the Interqual Level of Care Criteria are used to assess medical necessity. Emphasis is on the financial impact of non-compliance, which leads to denials.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The focus shifts to the importance of accurate documentation and determination of inpatient versus observation status, a critical aspect due to payer regulations. Russell notes that inpatient and outpatient are the two main statuses, with observation being a service rather than a status. Emphasis is placed on reviewing all admissions within the first 24 hours to ensure accurate status.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Patient status impacts are discussed from multiple perspectives, including providers, patients, and hospitals. The financial health of hospitals is tied to accurate status determination. Proper documentation is highlighted as a defense against audit risk. Medicare's payment structure (Part A for inpatient, Part B for outpatient) is explained, noting implications for deductibles and copayments.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Russell explains inpatient status using Medicare definitions, highlighting the importance of admission orders and documentation of complex medical factors. The 'two midnight' rule under Medicare is introduced, explaining how it generally applies to admissions expected to last over two midnights. Proper documentation of this expectation in medical records is stressed as crucial.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The talk covers exceptions to the two midnight rule and the importance of documentation in these cases. Reasons for early discharge such as improvement, transfer, or leaving against medical advice are noted. Any changes in status must be carefully documented to support medical necessity. Attempts to backdate orders are strictly prohibited due to compliance risks.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Observation status is defined as short-term, time-limited care for decision-making on whether a patient should be admitted. Limits on time for observation under Medicare, Medicaid, and commercial payers are noted. Common conditions suitable for observation are listed. The importance of documentation in justifying observation over inpatient status is reiterated.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    The process of documenting two midnight expectations and the necessity of clear, concise progress notes are discussed. Poor documentation examples are addressed, highlighting issues like copy-pasting and lack of medical necessity justification. The impact of inadequate documentation on denials and financial repercussions for hospitals is emphasized.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:53:22

    The session concludes with a Q&A segment covering common queries about status determination, the role of proper documentation, and addressing frequent issues like psychiatric admissions. Suggestions for improving documentation practices include avoiding copy-pasting notes and ensuring detailed progress entries. Open communication with utilization management for clarifications is encouraged.

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Video Q&A

  • What was the main topic of the presentation?

    The main topic was differentiating between inpatient versus observation status and its implications.

  • Who were the key presenters?

    Lance Russell and Cheryl Smith from the Utilization Management Department were key presenters.

  • What is the financial impact of incorrect status?

    Incorrect patient status can lead to significant financial costs due to denial from payers such as Medicare and private insurance, affecting hospital revenue.

  • What documentation is crucial for inpatient versus observation?

    Detailed documentation that supports medical necessity, expected length of stay, and patient stability is crucial.

  • What tools are used for determining medical necessity?

    Medical necessity is often determined using tools such as Milliman Care Guidelines and Change Healthcare Interqual Level of Care Criteria.

  • What is the significance of the two midnight rule?

    The two midnight rule is significant for determining if an inpatient admission is reasonable, based on the expectation that the patient's stay will exceed two midnights.

  • Why is documentation important in patient status determination?

    Proper documentation is essential as it directly impacts billing and reimbursement from payers via proper justification of medical necessity.

  • What are common observation diagnoses?

    Common observation diagnoses include mild asthma, COPD, heart failure, nausea, vomiting, and other conditions that might not require full inpatient services.

  • What should be avoided when adjusting patient status?

    Statuses should not be backdated and adjustment orders should not be made post-discharge for compliance reasons.

  • How should progress in patient diagnostics be documented?

    Progress notes should be specific, avoid repetitive copy-pasting and should detail any changes in diagnosis or treatment.

  • What are the operating hours for contacting Utilization Management?

    On weekdays, the department is available until 11 PM or 2 AM, and they offer continuous support during the weekend.

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    um
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    so I just wanted to first thank
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    everybody for coming this afternoon
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    who we have is the utilization
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    Management Department with us we have
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    Lance Russell and Cheryl Smith
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    um and a few others I'll let them
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    introduce themselves
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    um but they're going to be discussing
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    the inpatient versus observation status
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    I know there's been a lot of new hires
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    and even a lot of questions from some of
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    the older hires that we still have that
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    still kind of have difficulties making
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    the difference with inpatient versus
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    observation so they're going to be
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    talking about the conversion rates that
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    we have and just how to make the
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    decision with the inpatient versus
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    observation so I'll let you take it over
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    Lance
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    all right thanks a lot for the uh invite
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    to come and share can you all hear me
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    fine
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    yes we can hear you all right good deal
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    I sometimes have technical difficulties
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    with this Zoom
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    are we going to talk about patient
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    statuses and before we get into the the
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    heart of that I want to lay just a
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    little bit of groundwork to talk about
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    utilization management and why we exist
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    what we do and how we reach our status
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    determinations uh
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    I think we also need to understand a
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    little bit of the financial impact of
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    the organization about incorrect
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    statuses and then look at inpatient
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    conversion and lastly I've got some
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    actual cases that I wanted to uh discuss
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    with you all these are actually
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    hospitalist cases that have been through
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    uh some of the audit process with
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    Medicare
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    so um we exist to make your life
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    miserable
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    right wrong
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    we do a lot of things that Encompass a
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    lot of different areas a lot some of
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    this deals with risk management
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    Regulatory Compliance uh you're
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    basically making sure that
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    Hospital performance what we're giving
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    is appropriate and necessary for our
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    patients we're active across the
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    healthcare Spectrum uh certainly
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    outpatient inpatients Psychiatry rehab
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    and
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    we want to make sure that we are
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    adhering to all of the payer specific
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    protocols that we're getting our status
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    right because billing is directly tied
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    to all of that now I mentioned we exist
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    to make your life miserable but we exist
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    because Medicare says we have to exist
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    part of our conditions of participation
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    with Medicare is that we have to have a
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    UR plan that provides review services
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    that we provide as an institution and
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    members of the medical staff to patients
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    who are entitled benefits out of
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    Medicare and Medicaid
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    and medical necessity is a phrase you're
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    going to hear me say a lot today
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    that plan that Medicare requires says we
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    have to do a medical necessity review on
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    our patients when they're admitted to
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    the institution during the duration of
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    their stay and that includes all the
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    Professional Services that we furnished
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    so what is medical necessity
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    well kind of depends on who you ask I
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    suppose
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    Dr Smith thinks that everybody ought to
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    have a lactulose Cinema every two hours
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    just for good health and
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    regularity Dr Jones thinks it should be
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    our six hours and Dr Kumar says they're
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    all idiots who's right
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    medical necessity is as simply defined
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    as care treatment that is reasonable
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    necessary appropriate based on
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    evidence-based standards of care
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    and that's a very important point
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    evidence-based standards of care
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    determine best practices your practice
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    standards some of our payers have
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    specific protocols that we have to
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    follow Blue Cross has their own special
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    stuff Medicare has National local
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    coverage determinations that we have to
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    abide by
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    we also use medical necessity screening
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    tools milliman care guidelines is one
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    that is used by some of our payers at
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    UAB we use the change Healthcare
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    interqual level of care criteria and
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    these are the tools we use to help us
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    determine medical necessity
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    why is it important because payers are
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    not going to pay us for care that they
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    deem not medically necessary
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    that includes Medicare Blue Cross all of
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    our commercial payers
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    they will deny if we provide care that
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    is not medically necessary
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    CMS denials are retrospective and can
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    have a larger impact on the Financial
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    Health hospital because depending on how
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    things go with those on audit we can
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    have our reimbursement rate across the
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    board reduced
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    and some of our payers May determine
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    that inpatient care is not medically
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    necessary they may approve the stay as
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    observation
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    they may decide that an entire episode
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    of care is not medically necessary at
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    any level of care
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    and usually when our patients are
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    medically stable and ready for discharge
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    that's when payment is going to stop
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    and out of network payers may not even
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    pay us tall
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    if the patient is deemed medically
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    unnecessary to be in the hospital or
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    once they have being stable so the
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    hospital loses revenue and whether we
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    like it or not Health Care is a business
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    and we have to have a revenue stream
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    we are seeing the rate of denials go up
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    that's been up 23 since 2016. it's going
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    up since covid and we expect that Trend
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    to continue and when you look at that
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    volume and you extrapolate it that's
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    somewhere around 1.5 trillion annually
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    in healthcare revenue and so you look at
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    that percentage and just think about
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    what Financial impact that that has to
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    the hospital
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    medical necessity makes up about 6.6
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    percent of denials and it's really a
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    catch-all category that
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    deals with a lack of limit says you're
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    maybe an inappropriate level of care and
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    this is one of the areas where we as our
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    department can make a big impact
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    and better documentation again certainly
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    impact those uh determinations
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    so now I want to talk about statuses and
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    how we determine those
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    there are only two
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    in the real world you either an
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    inpatient
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    or you are an outpatient
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    UAB likes to complicate things because
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    we break outpatient down into two
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    statuses we have a vetted outpatient
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    and we also look at observation as a
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    status but in the real world it is not a
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    status it is a service and all of our
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    observation cases are reviewed to see if
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    observation charges are appropriate
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    based on payer regulations
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    all admissions to the hospital are
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    reviewed for status accuracy within the
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    first 24 hours of admission
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    and we look at observation cases daily
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    inpatient appropriateness and we look to
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    see if the documentation supports that
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    upgrade if so the um nurse will enter in
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    a verbal order to change that type to
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    inpatient but if observation is
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    appropriate no change is made and there
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    are different criteria that we use for
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    the reviews compare specific guidelines
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    I've already mentioned those
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    Medicare has a two midnight rule which
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    I'm going to talk about in just a minute
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    and I mentioned earlier the change
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    Health Care uh inequal level of care
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    and how frequently you look at our
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    patients who are here long term depends
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    according to the payer and the contract
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    that we have with that particular payer
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    who cares why does patient status matter
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    matters for a bunch of reasons for a lot
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    of different people
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    for you as a provider appropriate level
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    of care for your patient it also helps
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    with throughput for our patients status
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    determines their out-of-pocket expense
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    and if they get a Big Bill it's going to
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    affect patient satisfaction
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    for a hospital though it contributes to
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    higher Financial Health Emergency Health
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    Care as a business we have to have
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    Revenue
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    it also has tied with it some compliance
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    and audit risk that you may not
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    appreciate I'm going to talk about some
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    of that in a little bit
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    but it's also a UAB medicine performance
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    measurement uh inpatient conversions I'm
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    going to talk about that as well
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    this gives you a breakdown for
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    traditional Medicare
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    of how we're paid now part A pays for
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    inpatient care Part B pays for
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    outpatient part A is a drg there is a
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    sixteen hundred dollar deductible for
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    benefit period and once we get into day
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    61 and Beyond they're into co-insurance
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    days so that can add up pretty quickly
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    Outpatient Care has an annual deductible
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    but they typically pay 20 of Medicare
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    allowed amount for most doctor Services
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    each x-ray you order each MRI order
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    ultrasound they're going to get a 20
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    percent copay for that
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    routine home medicines and prescription
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    over-the-counter are not covered being
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    on Hospital policy and so the total
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    co-pay for outpatient services could be
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    more than the inpatient deductible and
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    that's one of the reasons that we look
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    at that
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    we are also required to notify our
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    patients and this is federal law
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    that requires us to notify them if they
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    are in observation have been receiving
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    observation services for greater than 24
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    hours that their co-pays are going to be
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    different it also can affect their uh
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    post discharge plan
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    because of the three midnight sniff rule
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    that had been suspended for coven but as
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    of the 11th of May is now back into
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    effect
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    and so we have to provide that in
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    writing and verbally
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    so let's talk now about the statuses
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    what is an inpatient
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    Medicare tells us an inpatient is
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    somebody who is admitted to the hospital
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    bed for purposes of receiving inpatient
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    Services that's clear as mud
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    they further Define inpatient Services
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    as those that cannot be safely or
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    effectively rendered at a lower level of
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    care without jeopardizing the health or
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    safety of the patient
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    inpatient status begins within date in
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    the time on an admission order and
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    that's why admission orders are so
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    important all of our billing is tied to
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    that
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    Medicare further says that the decision
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    to admit as an inpatient
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    is based on complex medical factors
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    including but not limited to history
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    comorbidities their signs and their
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    symptoms severity what their medical
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    needs and the risk of probability of an
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    adverse reaction or adverse event
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    occurring during the time period for
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    which hospitalization is considered
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    all of these factors that lead to your
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    decision to admit as an inpatient must
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    be documented in the medical record
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    foreign
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    has a two midnight Rule and I'm going to
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    spend my time today primarily talking
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    about Medicare regulations because they
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    are the Big Driver
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    the two midnight rule does not at the
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    president apply to Medicare hmos but
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    effective January 1 of next year it will
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    and so that's going to be a big chunk of
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    our payers are going to be following
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    this to midnight Rule and I think some
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    of our commercial Pickers
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    follow something similar to this but not
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    quite
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    inpatient admission is reasonable and
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    necessary if it is ordered on the based
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    on the expectation that a beneficiary
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    Lake this day will exceed two midnight
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    so the record supports that expectation
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    the record also has to provide clear
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    supporting documentation of medical
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    necessity for that admission
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    and when we talk about the two midnight
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    rule we can use time in contiguous
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    outpatient services within the hospital
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    prior to an inpatient admission and
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    determining that expectedly to stay so
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    when they come to the emergency
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    department once treatment starts there
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    that's when our midnight to midnight
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    clock starts does it start with triage
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    or wait time but treatment has to be
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    started that can be Labs EKG uh whatever
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    observation Services count in our two
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    midnight expectation and also procedures
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    in the operating room or other treatment
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    areas like endoscopy hvc that are
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    continued considered outpatient areas
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    for patients who transfer to as the
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    clock starts when care begins at the
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    initial Hospital
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    and I want to stress today if you don't
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    get anything else out of anything that I
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    say today I hope you can appreciate the
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    importance that documentation plays
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    Medicare and all of our payers expect
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    that the medical necessity be documented
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    in documenting the two midnight
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    exception our expectation around
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    you don't have to write a separate
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    attestation that I expect this person is
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    going to be here four days but we highly
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    recommend it
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    expected length of stay though can be
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    inferred from standard medical
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    documentation such as your plan of care
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    your treatment orders and your progress
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    so when you are writing all of your
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    notes
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    Details Matter
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    why do you expect two midnights how did
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    you document this was this carried
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    through through your documented
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    treatment plan
  • 00:13:46
    it's critical that that documentation be
  • 00:13:49
    there
  • 00:13:49
    Details Matter and something as simple
  • 00:13:52
    as an O2 sat reading or a patient that
  • 00:13:55
    is hypoxic can make all the difference
  • 00:13:57
    in the world in status determinations
  • 00:14:01
    we've frequently seen Cellular hypoxic
  • 00:14:04
    in the ER what does that mean how
  • 00:14:06
    hypoxic was there sat below 89 percent
  • 00:14:09
    that's one of the cutoffs for our
  • 00:14:11
    criteria those things though they may
  • 00:14:14
    seem trivial are very important in
  • 00:14:17
    documenting the medical necessity and
  • 00:14:19
    helping to support the two midnight
  • 00:14:21
    expectations
  • 00:14:23
    it's like being back in high school math
  • 00:14:25
    we all remember what our teacher told us
  • 00:14:27
    about show your work
  • 00:14:29
    these suggestions here about
  • 00:14:31
    documentation
  • 00:14:33
    I've got them up under the inpatient
  • 00:14:35
    header also apply for observation
  • 00:14:39
    patients
  • 00:14:41
    why does this patient need to be in the
  • 00:14:43
    hospital
  • 00:14:45
    is this patient unstable if they are
  • 00:14:48
    unstable how are they unstable
  • 00:14:51
    do they need frequent monitoring if so
  • 00:14:54
    what type and why
  • 00:14:56
    any abnormal physical findings please
  • 00:14:58
    emphasize those the vital signs are lab
  • 00:15:00
    values
  • 00:15:01
    if there is a complex plan of care is
  • 00:15:04
    that fully documented what acute needs
  • 00:15:06
    do we have
  • 00:15:08
    are we doing something that cannot be
  • 00:15:10
    done in an outpatient setting
  • 00:15:13
    is the patient still unable to walk to
  • 00:15:15
    the bathroom are they still febrile
  • 00:15:16
    they're vomiting every four hours if I
  • 00:15:18
    despite Abby Zofran those are the kind
  • 00:15:21
    of details that support an inpatient
  • 00:15:23
    admission
  • 00:15:25
    can these needs be addressed at a level
  • 00:15:27
    of care level of care
  • 00:15:29
    have you considered alternatives to
  • 00:15:31
    hospitalization why are Alternative Care
  • 00:15:34
    settings not appropriate and this last
  • 00:15:37
    point is the patient at risk for an
  • 00:15:39
    adverse event if they are not
  • 00:15:41
    hospitalized those are things that we
  • 00:15:43
    need to be able to see in the record and
  • 00:15:46
    these are things that our Auditors look
  • 00:15:48
    at
  • 00:15:50
    as the treatment plan progresses
  • 00:15:53
    has there been any change in your
  • 00:15:55
    diagnosis has there been any change in
  • 00:15:57
    your treatment
  • 00:15:59
    it is particularly important that you
  • 00:16:01
    document the patient's progress because
  • 00:16:03
    that supports continued stay are they
  • 00:16:05
    responding to treatment has your
  • 00:16:07
    diagnosis change has your treatment plan
  • 00:16:09
    been changed or modified
  • 00:16:11
    progress notes that say the same thing
  • 00:16:14
    day after day that have been copied and
  • 00:16:16
    pasted are problematic
  • 00:16:20
    I it's a little bit frustrating for me
  • 00:16:22
    when I audit charts and I see that and
  • 00:16:25
    it's really
  • 00:16:25
    hard to see if there's anything that's
  • 00:16:27
    changed maybe one or two words has
  • 00:16:29
    changed in the subjective
  • 00:16:31
    payers May refuse to review notes like
  • 00:16:34
    that in fact we recently had a payer to
  • 00:16:36
    refuse to accept notes like that that
  • 00:16:38
    were copied and pasted so please be very
  • 00:16:41
    mindful of that
  • 00:16:43
    and the information provided in the note
  • 00:16:45
    is it useful is it relevant I know we
  • 00:16:48
    tend to sometimes on some Services get a
  • 00:16:50
    little bit of chart bloat where you go
  • 00:16:52
    through about two or three pages before
  • 00:16:54
    you get to anything that is relevant and
  • 00:16:56
    payers do sometimes bulk at that
  • 00:16:59
    and so this documentation or lack
  • 00:17:01
    thereof can put payment at risk
  • 00:17:04
    our Auditors and our payers want to know
  • 00:17:06
    what you were thinking and they want it
  • 00:17:09
    clearly documented
  • 00:17:11
    and our good documentation is the best
  • 00:17:13
    way to ensure appropriate reimbursement
  • 00:17:15
    so Details Matter
  • 00:17:20
    I wanted to show you a couple of snips
  • 00:17:22
    from
  • 00:17:24
    charts that have audited that show how
  • 00:17:27
    various doctors have documented this to
  • 00:17:29
    me and not expectation
  • 00:17:31
    this first one is fairly good because it
  • 00:17:34
    addresses some of the morbidity
  • 00:17:36
    mortality and that was actually
  • 00:17:37
    addressed in the h p in the progress
  • 00:17:40
    notes
  • 00:17:41
    so that one is a pretty good one the one
  • 00:17:43
    below yeah
  • 00:17:45
    there's a four-day expectation and I
  • 00:17:47
    don't remember if that was
  • 00:17:49
    adequately addressed in the treatment
  • 00:17:51
    plan
  • 00:17:53
    if you document that on an inpatient
  • 00:17:56
    chart that I admit to medicine for
  • 00:17:58
    overnight observation
  • 00:18:00
    that patient does not need to be an
  • 00:18:02
    inpatient that is a major red flag for
  • 00:18:04
    all of our payers all of our Auditors
  • 00:18:07
    and it calls into question the two
  • 00:18:09
    midnight expectations
  • 00:18:12
    CMS and I don't think this flies really
  • 00:18:14
    to hospitalists that much but there are
  • 00:18:16
    a list of services that Medicare will
  • 00:18:18
    only pay for in the inpatient setting no
  • 00:18:21
    matter the length of staying
  • 00:18:23
    the tavar procedure is one of them
  • 00:18:27
    this list is updated every year by CMS
  • 00:18:30
    and usually the CPT code is put in in
  • 00:18:32
    the planning order for Planned
  • 00:18:34
    procedures
  • 00:18:36
    there are some exceptions to the two
  • 00:18:38
    midnight rule
  • 00:18:39
    CMS calls nationally identified a rare
  • 00:18:42
    and unusual expectations
  • 00:18:45
    such as mechanical and ventilation
  • 00:18:46
    initiated in the present period now
  • 00:18:48
    visit that is an exception to the two
  • 00:18:52
    midnight rule that come in they get on
  • 00:18:53
    the vent get them off and they may go
  • 00:18:55
    home the next day
  • 00:18:57
    Telemetry alone is not rare and unusual
  • 00:18:59
    nor is ICU admission alone a type of
  • 00:19:03
    rare and unusual circumstance that
  • 00:19:04
    justifies inpatient absent a two
  • 00:19:08
    midnight expectation you can be in an
  • 00:19:10
    intensive care unit
  • 00:19:11
    under observation I have actually seen
  • 00:19:14
    that we had a case on audit several
  • 00:19:16
    years ago where the Medicare Auditors
  • 00:19:19
    denied it
  • 00:19:20
    because the patient was submitted to ask
  • 00:19:22
    you there was no two midnight uh
  • 00:19:24
    documentation or expectation there
  • 00:19:27
    there are some case-by-case exceptions
  • 00:19:29
    that CMS allows
  • 00:19:32
    some of these patients can be inpatient
  • 00:19:35
    under circumstances circum circumstances
  • 00:19:37
    and again this is based on good
  • 00:19:39
    documentation decision judgment
  • 00:19:41
    all of those things that we talked about
  • 00:19:43
    earlier history of morbidity signs
  • 00:19:45
    symptoms risks
  • 00:19:47
    current medical needs even those that
  • 00:19:49
    diagnostic services that might be
  • 00:19:51
    appropriately outpatient can figure in
  • 00:19:54
    and we are told rarely
  • 00:19:57
    do stays under 24 hours qualify for an
  • 00:20:00
    exception that is direction that has
  • 00:20:01
    been given to the Auditors and most of
  • 00:20:04
    the payers are going to say exactly the
  • 00:20:06
    same thing
  • 00:20:07
    there are some unforeseen circumstances
  • 00:20:10
    that may arise that result in a shorter
  • 00:20:12
    stay than the expected to midnights
  • 00:20:14
    those have to be clearly documented in
  • 00:20:16
    the record
  • 00:20:18
    medicine that touches the world
  • 00:20:20
    gets people better quicker that's fine
  • 00:20:23
    as long as it's documented that they
  • 00:20:25
    improved quicker
  • 00:20:26
    transferred to another hospital we
  • 00:20:28
    rarely do that
  • 00:20:29
    leaving against medical advice hospice
  • 00:20:32
    election or death
  • 00:20:35
    and I want to stress this last point
  • 00:20:37
    please do not downgrade observation at
  • 00:20:41
    time of discharge if the patient is
  • 00:20:44
    discharging before the second inpatient
  • 00:20:46
    midnight I've actually seen
  • 00:20:48
    one or two providers that will do that
  • 00:20:51
    they'll put in a change patient type
  • 00:20:53
    order to Observation right before the
  • 00:20:54
    discharge order
  • 00:20:56
    and the patients would appropriately
  • 00:20:57
    been impatient
  • 00:21:00
    but when that order goes in then we lose
  • 00:21:02
    the ability to submit an inpatient claim
  • 00:21:06
    and also observation charges began at
  • 00:21:09
    the time of the observation order so we
  • 00:21:10
    lose that Revenue as well
  • 00:21:14
    short stay admissions are a big risk for
  • 00:21:17
    us because of the Medicare audit program
  • 00:21:21
    anybody who's an inpatient less than two
  • 00:21:24
    midnights after the inpatient order
  • 00:21:26
    may be selected for review by the audit
  • 00:21:29
    administrative contractors and the
  • 00:21:30
    recovery audit contractors the racks are
  • 00:21:33
    people that we don't want to have to
  • 00:21:35
    deal with
  • 00:21:36
    but if we do not do well on our audits
  • 00:21:39
    then we may have to
  • 00:21:41
    care render for social purposes or
  • 00:21:44
    reasons of convenience
  • 00:21:46
    medicare payment is prohibited
  • 00:21:48
    any extensive delay in providing
  • 00:21:51
    medically necessary care is exclusive
  • 00:21:54
    included from the tube midnight
  • 00:21:55
    benchmark
  • 00:21:56
    in factors that are an inconvenience the
  • 00:21:58
    beneficiary family physician are not
  • 00:22:00
    allowed by themselves justify part a
  • 00:22:03
    payment
  • 00:22:05
    and I know some of you have probably
  • 00:22:06
    seen this pop-up
  • 00:22:09
    when you are ready to discharge a short
  • 00:22:12
    stay patient
  • 00:22:13
    we put this in several years ago to kind
  • 00:22:16
    of help us to prompt to document why
  • 00:22:20
    this patient went home in less than two
  • 00:22:23
    midnights and all of these are the items
  • 00:22:27
    that Medicare said is okay for an
  • 00:22:29
    exception
  • 00:22:30
    but this is what is probably the most
  • 00:22:33
    important is the supporting
  • 00:22:34
    documentation
  • 00:22:36
    this is just a place where you can put a
  • 00:22:38
    little blurb in as to why this patient
  • 00:22:40
    got better quicker than expected they
  • 00:22:43
    left AMA whatever
  • 00:22:45
    that documentation is extremely
  • 00:22:47
    important
  • 00:22:49
    and I have over the years seen white a
  • 00:22:52
    variety of
  • 00:22:54
    good and not so good documentation
  • 00:22:58
    this is fairly good documentation on the
  • 00:23:00
    Forum that you know they got better and
  • 00:23:02
    sickle patient they got better
  • 00:23:04
    with aggressive support symptomatic
  • 00:23:06
    treatment
  • 00:23:07
    this patient left Ama
  • 00:23:10
    and there was actually a very detailed
  • 00:23:12
    free text note outlining all of that
  • 00:23:16
    this was a heart failure patient that
  • 00:23:18
    improved the diuresis better than we
  • 00:23:20
    were expecting and so they're stable and
  • 00:23:22
    now they're better managed as an
  • 00:23:24
    outpatient
  • 00:23:27
    this was another one that was fairly
  • 00:23:29
    good indicating a rapid Improvement in
  • 00:23:32
    symptoms
  • 00:23:33
    and stability for discharge
  • 00:23:36
    this is not good documentation
  • 00:23:39
    I had no idea what that meant
  • 00:23:42
    but digging in the chart it means the
  • 00:23:44
    patient was actually here for two
  • 00:23:46
    midnights prior to the discharge
  • 00:23:52
    a period
  • 00:23:53
    that's one way to get around having to
  • 00:23:55
    do that documentation
  • 00:23:58
    that is not good
  • 00:24:01
    that also is not good
  • 00:24:04
    that was actually an attending position
  • 00:24:05
    that charted that not sure about
  • 00:24:07
    inpatient criteria to begin with
  • 00:24:10
    and then that one I initially admitted
  • 00:24:12
    as Oz or got a page from um to
  • 00:24:14
    converting I don't know if that was some
  • 00:24:16
    kind of religious experience or what but
  • 00:24:17
    that is not good documentation
  • 00:24:23
    why that documentation is so important
  • 00:24:25
    uh just checking that form is not enough
  • 00:24:28
    and this was actually from a recent to
  • 00:24:31
    midnight claim that was denied because
  • 00:24:32
    that form was there
  • 00:24:34
    there was no supporting documentation
  • 00:24:36
    actually in the record
  • 00:24:38
    and so they tell us that just clicking
  • 00:24:41
    that statement to conform this
  • 00:24:42
    two-minute requirement is not enough and
  • 00:24:45
    it goes back to what we've already
  • 00:24:46
    talked about is that your documentation
  • 00:24:48
    is exceedingly important
  • 00:24:52
    bedded outpatient is someone who is an
  • 00:24:56
    outpatient in a bed and they're going to
  • 00:24:58
    stay overnight
  • 00:25:00
    these are typically for outpatient
  • 00:25:02
    procedures and even those that don't
  • 00:25:04
    stay overnight not saying these
  • 00:25:06
    surgeries I think are also have that
  • 00:25:08
    status
  • 00:25:09
    dialysis patients who that's all they're
  • 00:25:12
    having done
  • 00:25:13
    same day surgery is not inpatient only
  • 00:25:16
    and we have figured into this 48 Hours
  • 00:25:18
    of post-procedure monitoring expected
  • 00:25:21
    complications
  • 00:25:22
    unable to avoid oxygen weaning or just a
  • 00:25:24
    couple examples of those
  • 00:25:29
    observation is the one I think we
  • 00:25:31
    struggle probably more with than
  • 00:25:34
    anything else
  • 00:25:36
    this is the CMS definition it's a
  • 00:25:39
    well-defined set of specific politically
  • 00:25:41
    appropriate surfaces including ongoing
  • 00:25:44
    short-term treatment short-term is the
  • 00:25:46
    key assessment reassessment before
  • 00:25:48
    decision is made whether this patient
  • 00:25:50
    can be discharged or they need to be
  • 00:25:53
    admitted as an inpatient
  • 00:25:55
    observation is time Limited
  • 00:25:58
    majority of the cases
  • 00:26:00
    that decision should be made
  • 00:26:04
    within 48 Hours usually less than 24.
  • 00:26:08
    traditional Medicare limits to 48
  • 00:26:10
    Medicaid to 23 the commercial payers can
  • 00:26:13
    vary from 48 to 72
  • 00:26:18
    rare and exceptional cases
  • 00:26:21
    in only rare and exceptional cases do
  • 00:26:23
    reasonable necessary outpatient
  • 00:26:24
    observation Services span more than 48
  • 00:26:27
    hours an observation does not count
  • 00:26:29
    toward those three qualifying midnights
  • 00:26:31
    or traditional Medicare sniff placement
  • 00:26:35
    Medicare does not provide payment for
  • 00:26:37
    custodial care
  • 00:26:40
    when you have a patient that is stable
  • 00:26:42
    and or improving
  • 00:26:45
    and you're excluding diagnoses that's
  • 00:26:48
    your typical rule out
  • 00:26:50
    those are cases you need to consider for
  • 00:26:52
    observation
  • 00:26:54
    if you are evaluating a patient and your
  • 00:26:57
    treatment plan includes Monitor and or
  • 00:26:59
    observe
  • 00:27:01
    consider observation services for those
  • 00:27:03
    cases
  • 00:27:04
    if your documentation States we're
  • 00:27:06
    admitting for observation
  • 00:27:08
    that is a red flag that says this should
  • 00:27:12
    be observation
  • 00:27:14
    admit for placement social admissions
  • 00:27:16
    family drop-offs I know you all in the
  • 00:27:18
    hospital Services tend to get all of
  • 00:27:21
    these those
  • 00:27:23
    are a little bit problematic unless
  • 00:27:25
    there is some underlying medically
  • 00:27:27
    necessary reason for that admission
  • 00:27:28
    those are generally put into
  • 00:27:30
    observation and
  • 00:27:33
    you manage whatever medically is going
  • 00:27:35
    wrong in them inpatient is
  • 00:27:38
    I was generally not appropriate for them
  • 00:27:40
    unless there is some underlying
  • 00:27:41
    medically necessary reason
  • 00:27:45
    this is a list of common observation
  • 00:27:48
    diagnoses
  • 00:27:50
    and you'll note most of these
  • 00:27:52
    particularly asthma COPD cellulitis
  • 00:27:54
    heart failure
  • 00:27:56
    mild cases of that
  • 00:27:59
    probably need to start out an
  • 00:28:00
    observation particularly if they have
  • 00:28:02
    shown Improvement in the emergency
  • 00:28:03
    department non-traumatic abdominal pain
  • 00:28:07
    dehydration that's a big one for us
  • 00:28:10
    that's a big red flag for observation
  • 00:28:12
    failure to thrive
  • 00:28:14
    that's a big concern
  • 00:28:17
    gastroenteritis hypertensive urgency
  • 00:28:19
    migraines nausea vomiting
  • 00:28:22
    kidney stones without obstruction now
  • 00:28:24
    that that could really go either way
  • 00:28:27
    pain control chronic pain pneumonia
  • 00:28:29
    stroke that's minor with resolving
  • 00:28:31
    symptoms Dia syncope Syncopy usually
  • 00:28:34
    always needs to start out as observation
  • 00:28:37
    unless you've got some underlying
  • 00:28:38
    arrhythmia that is causing it and
  • 00:28:41
    uncomplicated UTIs
  • 00:28:45
    we have created a patient status flow
  • 00:28:48
    chart to help guide you
  • 00:28:51
    and there's some updates that have been
  • 00:28:53
    made to that and I will make those
  • 00:28:55
    available I'll send them to Kim and she
  • 00:28:56
    can distribute them to the group
  • 00:28:58
    but this just kind of walks you through
  • 00:29:00
    the thought process of dealing with that
  • 00:29:03
    two midnights and determining whether it
  • 00:29:05
    should be inpatient or observation
  • 00:29:09
    there's another Aid that we will make
  • 00:29:11
    available to you and this is the updated
  • 00:29:13
    one I'll send that to Kim as well
  • 00:29:16
    this is a document that's provided by
  • 00:29:18
    change Healthcare which makes our
  • 00:29:20
    interqual Criterium
  • 00:29:22
    that goes through some of these
  • 00:29:24
    diagnoses and gives you I don't know
  • 00:29:27
    what what we are looking for when we
  • 00:29:28
    review these cases to support
  • 00:29:30
    observation versus uh inpatient
  • 00:29:33
    and so I'll I'll make this available to
  • 00:29:36
    everyone as well
  • 00:29:39
    I just want to stress that admit orders
  • 00:29:41
    are required for all admissions because
  • 00:29:43
    that is directly tied to billing and so
  • 00:29:47
    that's why that has to be there the
  • 00:29:49
    order has to be timed and dated it also
  • 00:29:51
    has to specify a patient's status it has
  • 00:29:53
    to be either inpatient or outpatient
  • 00:29:55
    observation
  • 00:29:56
    and it has to be co-signed by the
  • 00:29:58
    attending position prior to discharge
  • 00:29:59
    observation building begins with the
  • 00:30:01
    date time of the OBS order
  • 00:30:03
    inpatient status begins when the
  • 00:30:05
    inpatient order is written we cannot
  • 00:30:07
    change post status post discharge for
  • 00:30:10
    Medicare and most other payers and I
  • 00:30:12
    want to stress again that orders may not
  • 00:30:15
    be backdated it'll run into a situation
  • 00:30:17
    A couple of years ago
  • 00:30:20
    where a patient should have been
  • 00:30:21
    admitted to inpatient
  • 00:30:22
    and they were needing that free midnight
  • 00:30:24
    stay but it was observation did not get
  • 00:30:27
    upgraded and now they're ready to go
  • 00:30:29
    and the provider went in and put a
  • 00:30:33
    backdated order in after being told not
  • 00:30:35
    to do that so that we would get that
  • 00:30:37
    free midnight start so it would appear
  • 00:30:38
    to be
  • 00:30:39
    please don't ever ever ever do that back
  • 00:30:42
    data orders not allow that as a
  • 00:30:44
    compliance risk
  • 00:30:46
    and when those things are done like that
  • 00:30:49
    and after being told not to those get a
  • 00:30:51
    referral to corporate compliance and I
  • 00:30:53
    know none of you would do anything like
  • 00:30:56
    that
  • 00:30:58
    if you need to change status please
  • 00:30:59
    don't discontinue the remit order don't
  • 00:31:02
    enter a second admit order and do not
  • 00:31:04
    modify the admit order for a status
  • 00:31:06
    change there are other orders that we
  • 00:31:08
    can use to um
  • 00:31:11
    to deal with that
  • 00:31:13
    of course yellow wall I think probably
  • 00:31:15
    seen this pop-up this just means when
  • 00:31:18
    you put a discharge order in that the
  • 00:31:21
    inpatient order has not been signed it
  • 00:31:23
    needs to be by the attending that is a
  • 00:31:24
    CMS regulation
  • 00:31:26
    CMS is very explicit saying residents
  • 00:31:28
    and advanced practice providers are not
  • 00:31:30
    allowed to co-sign that admit order so
  • 00:31:32
    that's why you see that
  • 00:31:35
    what I mention in inpatient conversions
  • 00:31:37
    just briefly
  • 00:31:39
    and this is an inpatient admission that
  • 00:31:41
    is converted to outpatient
  • 00:31:43
    as a result of a status change order
  • 00:31:46
    and it's a total number of IPC orders
  • 00:31:48
    divided by the total number of inpatient
  • 00:31:50
    conversions divided by the total number
  • 00:31:51
    of inpatient orders
  • 00:31:53
    and it is a UAB medicine performance
  • 00:31:55
    expectation that your rate be less than
  • 00:31:58
    four percent
  • 00:32:00
    and here is a chart that shows you where
  • 00:32:03
    the hospitalist service has been over
  • 00:32:06
    the last 12 months
  • 00:32:08
    the hospitalist is in green all services
  • 00:32:12
    are in orange
  • 00:32:14
    and your rates have been as high as 6.4
  • 00:32:18
    percent we kind of have gone up and down
  • 00:32:20
    over the years and this is something
  • 00:32:21
    that we monitor monthly
  • 00:32:23
    and I do send a report uh out to some of
  • 00:32:27
    your attendings and to the app
  • 00:32:29
    supervisors
  • 00:32:31
    with these rates if you're interested in
  • 00:32:33
    knowing what your individual inpatient
  • 00:32:35
    conversion rate is we can provide that
  • 00:32:38
    data for you
  • 00:32:42
    question
  • 00:32:43
    if I expect the patient is going to stay
  • 00:32:45
    two midnights or greater should I
  • 00:32:46
    automatically admit them to inpatient
  • 00:32:49
    status
  • 00:32:51
    only if it is going to be medically
  • 00:32:54
    necessary acute hospital care provided
  • 00:32:56
    that cannot be provided in an outpatient
  • 00:32:57
    setting
  • 00:32:58
    or they're having a procedure that's on
  • 00:33:01
    the inpatient only list they can be in
  • 00:33:02
    the hospital greater than two midnights
  • 00:33:04
    and not meet requirement for inpatient
  • 00:33:06
    status
  • 00:33:10
    can I admit all patients for observation
  • 00:33:13
    and let um sort it out
  • 00:33:16
    absolutely no
  • 00:33:19
    it is the responsibility of the
  • 00:33:21
    attending physician or designee
  • 00:33:25
    to make a decision at the time of
  • 00:33:27
    admission about their condition
  • 00:33:29
    and the level of services provided
  • 00:33:32
    so no it is not appropriate to admit all
  • 00:33:35
    patients to outpatient observation
  • 00:33:38
    and let the um nurse correct the status
  • 00:33:41
    you have to consider all of those things
  • 00:33:43
    that are baked into that two midnight
  • 00:33:45
    rule for determining whether they should
  • 00:33:48
    be inpatient or not CMS expects us to
  • 00:33:50
    get it right
  • 00:33:51
    on admission
  • 00:33:53
    and there are some things that we have
  • 00:33:55
    to report to CNS when we have to make
  • 00:33:56
    changes because the status is not
  • 00:33:58
    correct and that's a whole other
  • 00:34:03
    area in the weeds that we don't need to
  • 00:34:04
    get into
  • 00:34:07
    if the discharge plan is for a sniff
  • 00:34:10
    and I admit them in patient status so
  • 00:34:12
    they meet the three-day qualifying
  • 00:34:13
    inpatient state requirements
  • 00:34:15
    if they do not require inpatient level
  • 00:34:17
    of care they should not be admitted as
  • 00:34:19
    an inpatient expressly to accumulate
  • 00:34:22
    re-qualifying inpatient days needed for
  • 00:34:25
    a covered sniff
  • 00:34:27
    yeah
  • 00:34:29
    so I want to now look at some actual
  • 00:34:31
    cases
  • 00:34:32
    and the cases that I selected as I
  • 00:34:34
    mentioned in the beginning are cases
  • 00:34:36
    from our short stay uh inpatient audit
  • 00:34:39
    from the hospitalist service
  • 00:34:42
    that were audited and denied
  • 00:34:47
    and so this was a 90 year old a little
  • 00:34:50
    lady who came to the Ed as a code stroke
  • 00:34:52
    for altered mental status those are
  • 00:34:54
    always
  • 00:34:55
    uh sometimes a little bit problematic
  • 00:34:57
    that started the previous night
  • 00:35:01
    she was mentally responsive in the Ed
  • 00:35:03
    for you to move your right side
  • 00:35:06
    the family noted she had started taking
  • 00:35:08
    three milligrams of melatonin recently
  • 00:35:10
    and the patient admitted they're taking
  • 00:35:12
    three of those pills the previous day
  • 00:35:15
    so in the emergency department or
  • 00:35:17
    encephalopathy improves she was still
  • 00:35:19
    confused no stroke on Imaging admitted a
  • 00:35:22
    hospitalist for management of
  • 00:35:25
    encephalopathy likely secondary to
  • 00:35:26
    melatonin ingestion
  • 00:35:30
    medical history surgical history about
  • 00:35:31
    what you would expect for somebody
  • 00:35:33
    her age
  • 00:35:36
    what status do you think she should have
  • 00:35:38
    admitted to
  • 00:35:40
    well need a little bit more information
  • 00:35:42
    right
  • 00:35:44
    blood pressure was elevated pulse was
  • 00:35:45
    fine respiration is fine sat's fine
  • 00:35:47
    temps fine
  • 00:35:51
    she's improved
  • 00:35:54
    CT head is negative CTA negative
  • 00:35:59
    lab's not that spectacular
  • 00:36:02
    toxicology negative UA unremarkable no
  • 00:36:05
    covid
  • 00:36:07
    so she was admitted as an inpatient
  • 00:36:10
    initially started out with a one-hour
  • 00:36:12
    vital signs in the Ed that was
  • 00:36:13
    transitioned to six daily when the
  • 00:36:15
    orders came in
  • 00:36:16
    same with Euro checks regular diet
  • 00:36:18
    ambulated with assistance ptot she was
  • 00:36:21
    discharged the next day with a length of
  • 00:36:23
    stay of 25.1 hours
  • 00:36:26
    this is directly from the history and
  • 00:36:28
    physical
  • 00:36:29
    States it's an overdose of melatonin
  • 00:36:31
    secondary uh causing the encephalopathy
  • 00:36:34
    all we're doing is holding a melatonin
  • 00:36:37
    getting PT to see her
  • 00:36:40
    starting back our home blood pressure
  • 00:36:41
    medicine giving her Tylenol is needed
  • 00:36:44
    that was an observation admission never
  • 00:36:47
    should have been intermitted as an
  • 00:36:48
    inpatient
  • 00:36:49
    and this is the rationale that the
  • 00:36:51
    Auditors gave us
  • 00:36:53
    she was stable there's no acute anything
  • 00:36:57
    going on labs are unremarkable she's
  • 00:36:59
    back to Baseline
  • 00:37:00
    we admitted her for neurology evaluation
  • 00:37:03
    she stayed one midnight
  • 00:37:06
    now when our Auditors look at our charts
  • 00:37:09
    they're looking for your documentation
  • 00:37:12
    and asking is it reasonable or the
  • 00:37:15
    admitting position to expect this
  • 00:37:17
    patient to require medically necessary
  • 00:37:19
    Hospital services or did they receive
  • 00:37:21
    medically necessary Hospital services
  • 00:37:23
    for two midnights or longer
  • 00:37:26
    no was their answer
  • 00:37:28
    the documentary plan of care monitoring
  • 00:37:30
    neurology evaluation does not indicate a
  • 00:37:32
    reasonable expectation between midnight
  • 00:37:34
    stay
  • 00:37:35
    he also asked us a record support the
  • 00:37:37
    determination that the patient would
  • 00:37:39
    require inpatient care despite not
  • 00:37:40
    meeting the benchmark
  • 00:37:42
    one of those exceptions one of those
  • 00:37:44
    Case by case exceptions
  • 00:37:46
    their answer was no
  • 00:37:48
    monitoring a neurology evaluation and
  • 00:37:51
    the patient with resolved symptoms do
  • 00:37:52
    not meet criteria without a two midnight
  • 00:37:55
    expectation
  • 00:37:56
    and so we had to pay money back on that
  • 00:37:58
    one
  • 00:38:02
    this next patient was 54 year old who
  • 00:38:06
    came to the emergency department with
  • 00:38:08
    nausea vomiting epigastric pain
  • 00:38:11
    history of gastroparesis gastric
  • 00:38:13
    stimulators on dialysis diabetes
  • 00:38:16
    hypertension
  • 00:38:18
    Ed workup shows mild round glass
  • 00:38:22
    opacities likely volume overload no
  • 00:38:25
    ischemy on EKG proponent is flat and
  • 00:38:29
    stable
  • 00:38:30
    renal markers are where you would expect
  • 00:38:31
    for a person like this low hemoglobin
  • 00:38:34
    metacrit
  • 00:38:35
    slight hypoglycemia they got better with
  • 00:38:37
    dextrose
  • 00:38:39
    they got multiple rounds of antiemetics
  • 00:38:41
    and pain medications without last relief
  • 00:38:43
    admitted inpatient status with a
  • 00:38:44
    diagnosis of gastroparesis
  • 00:38:47
    with a plan of care
  • 00:38:50
    or a GI consult in supportive care
  • 00:38:56
    we got one midnight but it was a 23 hour
  • 00:38:58
    stay and this is the documentation it
  • 00:39:00
    was actually on the list of two midnight
  • 00:39:01
    form I got better sooner than expected
  • 00:39:03
    and I guess that last statement uh
  • 00:39:07
    not really sure what to make of that and
  • 00:39:10
    be improved and he tolerated I guess
  • 00:39:12
    that would be uh po intake
  • 00:39:15
    so this is a rationale this is another
  • 00:39:17
    one that would have been appropriate for
  • 00:39:19
    observation
  • 00:39:20
    nausea vomiting epigastric pain in a
  • 00:39:22
    patient with these problems
  • 00:39:26
    does not
  • 00:39:28
    really supporting patient status because
  • 00:39:30
    we get a little bit of fluid Monitor and
  • 00:39:33
    advanced diet and dialyze
  • 00:39:37
    so was the two midnight expectation
  • 00:39:39
    reasonable the auditor said no
  • 00:39:43
    that if you got an acute on chronic and
  • 00:39:45
    that sometimes also can be a little bit
  • 00:39:46
    of a problem in terms of status when
  • 00:39:48
    you've got an acute chronic exacerbation
  • 00:39:51
    or something nausea vomiting epigastric
  • 00:39:53
    pain in that plane of care
  • 00:39:56
    it was not reasonable to expect two
  • 00:39:58
    midnights to complete
  • 00:40:00
    did the record support and expect
  • 00:40:01
    exception to the two midnight rule the
  • 00:40:04
    answer was no
  • 00:40:05
    because the patient was
  • 00:40:07
    mental status was stable no changes EKG
  • 00:40:11
    was fine
  • 00:40:13
    there was no increased risk for this
  • 00:40:15
    patient
  • 00:40:17
    patient was stable
  • 00:40:19
    and so they were discharged and so we
  • 00:40:21
    had to repay some money on that one
  • 00:40:27
    this patient was 80 years old coming to
  • 00:40:30
    the emergency department
  • 00:40:32
    with nausea and syncope asyncopy and
  • 00:40:34
    nausea those are our
  • 00:40:36
    common observation diagnoses
  • 00:40:39
    hypertension lipids are high pad she had
  • 00:40:44
    a history of ovarian lyomyosarcoma
  • 00:40:47
    80 is systolic in route to the Ed but
  • 00:40:50
    when she gets here she's awake confused
  • 00:40:52
    slightly
  • 00:40:54
    no neurological deficits blood pressure
  • 00:40:56
    was fine EKG is an Sr without ischemia
  • 00:41:00
    arrhythmia
  • 00:41:02
    fat cells leukocytes in the UA that's
  • 00:41:06
    Rocephin CT angio was negative
  • 00:41:09
    she was admitted as an inpatient and
  • 00:41:11
    discharged home the following day one
  • 00:41:13
    midnight
  • 00:41:14
    20 hours
  • 00:41:16
    she can be resolved
  • 00:41:23
    the Auditors looked at this case and
  • 00:41:25
    said Edie showed a UTI
  • 00:41:28
    or white Soul was normal
  • 00:41:31
    she was stable
  • 00:41:32
    she was committed for monitoring
  • 00:41:33
    antibiotics and your whole meds
  • 00:41:36
    this would have been another one that
  • 00:41:37
    observation would have been more
  • 00:41:39
    appropriate on
  • 00:41:42
    was it reasonable to expect to midnights
  • 00:41:44
    the auditor said no
  • 00:41:47
    the plan of care is uncertain pending
  • 00:41:50
    response to treatment and that's one of
  • 00:41:51
    those if you're not certain
  • 00:41:53
    and this patient is stable
  • 00:41:55
    it's better to go observation
  • 00:41:58
    land of monitoring and antibiotics the
  • 00:42:00
    patient is stable without sepsis does
  • 00:42:02
    not indicate a reasonable expectation of
  • 00:42:04
    two midnights and needing to stay in
  • 00:42:06
    acute care
  • 00:42:07
    did it meet one of those exceptions
  • 00:42:11
    they said no because she was stable no
  • 00:42:15
    acute interventions expected
  • 00:42:17
    no increased risk or probability for the
  • 00:42:20
    time period for which hospitalization
  • 00:42:22
    was considered
  • 00:42:25
    so these are the kind of things that we
  • 00:42:26
    have to deal with particularly with our
  • 00:42:28
    documentation making sure that if we are
  • 00:42:30
    going to admit somebody as an inpatient
  • 00:42:32
    in the documentation is good
  • 00:42:36
    and it supports it
  • 00:42:40
    so that's all I had for today I want to
  • 00:42:44
    um
  • 00:42:44
    open up the floor for any questions that
  • 00:42:48
    you all may have
  • 00:42:52
    and she did a great job um one thing
  • 00:42:55
    that I've always been confused about is
  • 00:42:57
    when we as medicine are admitting
  • 00:42:59
    psychiatric patients especially with
  • 00:43:01
    like suicidal ideation we know they're
  • 00:43:04
    going to be here until site clearance
  • 00:43:06
    but really not a lot going on from a
  • 00:43:08
    medicine standpoint are those better for
  • 00:43:10
    us to admit as Ops
  • 00:43:13
    I would say probably so
  • 00:43:17
    and then my uh my other question is is
  • 00:43:19
    there anything that you
  • 00:43:21
    quickly have seen from our service
  • 00:43:24
    like if you could just change one thing
  • 00:43:26
    on our service that you think would be
  • 00:43:27
    very helpful for us I would stop copy
  • 00:43:30
    and pasting notes
  • 00:43:31
    and I really I would and notes earlier
  • 00:43:35
    in the day that's one of the things that
  • 00:43:36
    we struggle the most with I think from a
  • 00:43:39
    review standpoint is notes that uh get
  • 00:43:41
    added to the Chart late in the afternoon
  • 00:43:43
    it's really hard for us to make a status
  • 00:43:45
    determination without that and sometimes
  • 00:43:47
    the nurses will call and ask whoever the
  • 00:43:49
    provider is you know what's the plan of
  • 00:43:51
    care and it looks like there's going to
  • 00:43:54
    be here for another one to two days and
  • 00:43:55
    they wind up discharging about two to
  • 00:43:57
    three hours after we do a status upgrade
  • 00:43:59
    so those are things that would be quite
  • 00:44:01
    helpful for us in terms of
  • 00:44:04
    your service getting those notes in
  • 00:44:06
    earlier and I know that's maybe
  • 00:44:07
    sometimes a losing battle because of the
  • 00:44:09
    sheer volume that you all have to do but
  • 00:44:12
    yeah that copy and paste that's really
  • 00:44:13
    uh
  • 00:44:16
    is probably rough for y'all because from
  • 00:44:19
    a workflow standpoint most people need
  • 00:44:21
    to do their discharge summaries first if
  • 00:44:23
    someone's going to a Sniff and so not
  • 00:44:26
    very helpful for y'all but from a
  • 00:44:27
    workout
  • 00:44:28
    for some reason it kind of delays yeah
  • 00:44:31
    observation cases if those notes went in
  • 00:44:33
    earlier that would be really great
  • 00:44:35
    because then that gives us what we need
  • 00:44:37
    to make a status determination and we
  • 00:44:40
    also contract with a physician advisor
  • 00:44:42
    group that we can send these cases out
  • 00:44:44
    to and get another physician who is not
  • 00:44:46
    a field with Hospital look at them and
  • 00:44:48
    kind of advise us and
  • 00:44:50
    one of the things that they always put
  • 00:44:52
    in their determinations is you know what
  • 00:44:54
    they actually see as the risks or the
  • 00:44:57
    probability of something adverse
  • 00:44:58
    happening and those if that were added
  • 00:45:00
    to the progress notes or the history and
  • 00:45:03
    physical I think that would also be
  • 00:45:05
    quite helpful
  • 00:45:07
    in terms of supporting inpatient status
  • 00:45:12
    anything from the initial note any uh
  • 00:45:14
    diagnosis that we send to
  • 00:45:16
    to fell on on a pretty regular basis
  • 00:45:20
    uh I can't really say one that we fail
  • 00:45:22
    on a pretty regular basis but anything
  • 00:45:24
    that's on that list
  • 00:45:26
    of common observation diagnoses that
  • 00:45:28
    sets us up for failure
  • 00:45:30
    unless the documentation is really there
  • 00:45:32
    that um
  • 00:45:33
    lays out the treatment plan those risks
  • 00:45:37
    and particularly if it's somebody that's
  • 00:45:39
    stable
  • 00:45:45
    there
  • 00:45:50
    I may have missed it earlier but that um
  • 00:45:52
    list of uh like
  • 00:45:55
    procedures that are inpatient only was
  • 00:45:58
    that in the
  • 00:45:59
    um
  • 00:46:00
    was was that in the PowerPoint uh it was
  • 00:46:03
    yeah it it's um
  • 00:46:07
    let me back up
  • 00:46:11
    and our um nurses all have a copy of
  • 00:46:13
    that list if you're interested in
  • 00:46:14
    getting a copy we can uh
  • 00:46:17
    we might be able to provide that for you
  • 00:46:21
    but usually by the time they uh if
  • 00:46:23
    they're coming in specifically for
  • 00:46:24
    surgery we're going to get them early on
  • 00:46:27
    in the admission to get them into the
  • 00:46:29
    appropriate status and you all may get
  • 00:46:31
    them for uh follow-up care
  • 00:46:35
    total hips total knees those are recent
  • 00:46:38
    well I say recent within the last two to
  • 00:46:41
    three years total hips came off the
  • 00:46:42
    inpatient only the list on that drove us
  • 00:46:45
    all Bonkers and even some of the total
  • 00:46:47
    hips and how being done in Ambulatory
  • 00:46:49
    Surgery centers and going home the same
  • 00:46:50
    day
  • 00:46:55
    and then I also had a question about
  • 00:46:58
    um
  • 00:46:59
    so as far as copying tasting notices
  • 00:47:03
    is there a particular area like you
  • 00:47:05
    mentioned this objective earlier it's
  • 00:47:06
    like someone just became subjective for
  • 00:47:09
    some related or something but
  • 00:47:11
    um are there other like particularly
  • 00:47:13
    problematic aspects of it like you
  • 00:47:16
    mentioned below it but if we're you know
  • 00:47:19
    relative like conscientious without
  • 00:47:21
    reviewing the notes from people you know
  • 00:47:24
    redundancies
  • 00:47:26
    um keep an investment up to date
  • 00:47:29
    it's hard to it's hard to completely and
  • 00:47:31
    totally just contain that practice
  • 00:47:33
    because especially people have been here
  • 00:47:36
    long term
  • 00:47:37
    yeah
  • 00:47:39
    if you're if you're conscientious about
  • 00:47:41
    your notes you're reading approving them
  • 00:47:43
    making sure that um
  • 00:47:46
    the needs are and what we're doing is
  • 00:47:48
    addressed you know that's great that's
  • 00:47:49
    fine no problems with those
  • 00:47:53
    but is it helpful for you guys if we do
  • 00:47:55
    have like say like a list of
  • 00:47:57
    diagnosities or
  • 00:47:59
    or versus
  • 00:48:01
    I don't know is there something like
  • 00:48:02
    that that would be helpful I don't know
  • 00:48:04
    that active versus inactive and I mean
  • 00:48:06
    if we're treating it um what you can I
  • 00:48:08
    think sometimes you all document that
  • 00:48:10
    whatever we're treating is resolved and
  • 00:48:12
    if I remember correctly the average
  • 00:48:14
    number of diagnoses at a UAB Hospital
  • 00:48:16
    patient has is somewhere around 12 or
  • 00:48:18
    13. and some of those we may be doing
  • 00:48:20
    some kind of active management on them
  • 00:48:22
    but yes if something is active we're
  • 00:48:24
    actually treating that and you're you're
  • 00:48:26
    documenting that progress under that
  • 00:48:28
    particular heading of your progress note
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    that's what we need and if something has
  • 00:48:32
    resolved yeah just saying this is
  • 00:48:34
    resolved that is quite helpful for us
  • 00:48:39
    and then and then also one more thing um
  • 00:48:41
    you mentioned a blurb about
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    um
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    you know kind of where we're at with
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    perspective like you know
  • 00:48:49
    they have discharge their link to stay
  • 00:48:51
    like is that something that if that was
  • 00:48:53
    updated routinely in the note
  • 00:48:56
    that would be helpful that I kept that
  • 00:48:58
    right yeah if that is addressed in those
  • 00:49:00
    that is quite helpful we do uh we do
  • 00:49:02
    appreciate that because that helps us to
  • 00:49:04
    support that to midnight expectation
  • 00:49:06
    okay
  • 00:49:07
    but just just that blanket statement
  • 00:49:09
    though is not enough we've got it's got
  • 00:49:11
    to be supported by your plan of care
  • 00:49:15
    okay
  • 00:49:16
    this is the barrier this is going to
  • 00:49:18
    take place until Monday something like
  • 00:49:21
    that yeah um okay
  • 00:49:24
    and then for those of us who like Auto
  • 00:49:26
    populate like say the um
  • 00:49:28
    the patient's Vital Signs okay if I was
  • 00:49:33
    to write you know the hypoxic
  • 00:49:34
    respiratory failure but then you look up
  • 00:49:36
    under the
  • 00:49:37
    um the physical exam and you see where
  • 00:49:40
    it says that the patient's lowest stat
  • 00:49:42
    was uh you know 78 reported in the last
  • 00:49:46
    24 hours there's something like that
  • 00:49:49
    adequate that is adequate as long as it
  • 00:49:52
    is documented in the record and what I
  • 00:49:54
    have seen it's in the church that I've
  • 00:49:55
    audited over the years is looking at
  • 00:49:57
    that the diagnosis respiratory failure
  • 00:50:00
    they desatted when they emulated but
  • 00:50:03
    then I look in the notes all I see are
  • 00:50:06
    spo2 92 to 100 and even going back into
  • 00:50:10
    the emergency department we don't really
  • 00:50:11
    see anything other than the newer
  • 00:50:13
    hypoxic so it's kind of hard to tell
  • 00:50:15
    exactly what that means so yeah if as
  • 00:50:17
    long as there's a number documented
  • 00:50:19
    there that is quite helpful
  • 00:50:22
    so anything below 92
  • 00:50:24
    percent carrier for you guys
  • 00:50:25
    you guys 89.
  • 00:50:27
    89 is what most of our interqual
  • 00:50:29
    criteria look at but even that alone is
  • 00:50:31
    not enough it has to be uh some of that
  • 00:50:34
    other stuff that's there but yeah 89 and
  • 00:50:37
    below is it's really helpful and also
  • 00:50:39
    from a case management perspective uh a
  • 00:50:42
    room air set I know they have to have it
  • 00:50:43
    at a certain level before uh Medicare
  • 00:50:46
    some of these other uh
  • 00:50:48
    commercial payers will cover home oxygen
  • 00:50:51
    but that's usually uh getting close to
  • 00:50:53
    discharge once all the treatment's done
  • 00:50:55
    they take them off they're actually
  • 00:50:57
    going to ambulate them and get that room
  • 00:50:58
    air set I think it has to be uh I'm not
  • 00:51:01
    mistaken it has to be below 90 percent I
  • 00:51:04
    may be wrong on that
  • 00:51:08
    details and documentation matter
  • 00:51:16
    yeah I was just going to say Lance I I
  • 00:51:18
    don't want to make everyone fearful of
  • 00:51:22
    making anybody inpatient with the
  • 00:51:23
    denials
  • 00:51:27
    um
  • 00:51:28
    and I know that do you guys still have
  • 00:51:30
    someone around 24 7 that they can
  • 00:51:32
    contact if there's any questions or
  • 00:51:34
    something
  • 00:51:36
    we have a um nurse during the day uh
  • 00:51:39
    hospitalist I think has three or four
  • 00:51:42
    nurses specifically dedicated to the
  • 00:51:44
    hospital service
  • 00:51:46
    on the weekend we have an ed staff
  • 00:51:49
    that's 24 7.
  • 00:51:51
    or what 24 hours a day on the weekend on
  • 00:51:55
    weekday nights we have somebody
  • 00:51:56
    available until 2 A.M in the emergency
  • 00:51:59
    department so yes we are happy
  • 00:52:02
    to uh talk with you all and answer any
  • 00:52:04
    questions you have if you can't quite
  • 00:52:05
    make up your mind which way the status
  • 00:52:07
    goes now I don't want to scare anybody
  • 00:52:09
    about putting in patient on the order
  • 00:52:11
    either but
  • 00:52:12
    we just have to make sure that we've got
  • 00:52:14
    that supporting documentation there
  • 00:52:19
    it was just Tuesday through Friday
  • 00:52:22
    okay Monday is to 11 I believe I believe
  • 00:52:26
    this
  • 00:52:32
    well thank you Lance I think you did an
  • 00:52:34
    excellent job
  • 00:52:38
    does anybody else have any other further
  • 00:52:39
    questions or comments about anything
  • 00:52:48
    okay I guess we'll end it for right now
  • 00:52:50
    and um Lance if um you want to send me
  • 00:52:53
    the contact of how to get a hold of
  • 00:52:55
    someone if they need to reach someone in
  • 00:52:59
    utilization management if they're having
  • 00:53:00
    issues or problems with a status I think
  • 00:53:02
    it certainly will know how to reach them
  • 00:53:04
    but if we can be out there
  • 00:53:08
    sure
  • 00:53:09
    well thank you very much we appreciate
  • 00:53:12
    it it's our pleasure
  • 00:53:13
    have a good one thank you bye-bye bye
Tags
  • utilization management
  • inpatient vs observation
  • medical necessity
  • documentation
  • billing
  • financial impact
  • Medicare
  • compliance
  • two midnight rule
  • audit