The REAL story of Ishmael: what they don't tell you

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Summary

TLDRThis discussion revolves around the story of Abraham's two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Initially, Abraham had Ishmael with Hagar due to his wife Sarah's barrenness. Later, miraculously, Abraham and Sarah have Isaac. Ishmael and Isaac become significant as they are forebears of nations: Ishmael is linked to the Arab and Muslim worlds, while Isaac is connected to Judaism. Their spiritual divergences symbolize broader conflicts, embodying differing approaches to Abraham's revolutionary monotheistic teachings, which emphasized spiritual consciousness over materialism. Ishmael's approach was aggressive and without boundaries, focusing on religious fervor, whereas Isaac emphasized discipline and boundaries. The story underscores the importance of balancing love and discipline, with neither extreme being ideal, both in personal contexts and in terms of how nations interact. Ultimately, the narrative suggests that these brothers' descendants could find harmony, reflecting how individuals today might reconcile such internal and external differences for personal and collective peace.

Takeaways

  • 👶 Abraham's sons: Ishmael and Isaac represent different nations and ideologies.
  • ⚔️ Conflict: Their story illustrates the longstanding ideological conflicts between nations.
  • 🏞️ Balance: Emphasizes the importance of balancing love and disciplinary boundaries in life.
  • 🕊️ Reconciliation: Ishmael and Isaac's later reconciliation hints at potential harmony.
  • 💡 Spiritual Evolution: Abraham introduced a god-centric view, revolutionizing religious thought.
  • 🤝 Harmony: Future generations aim to blend the giving nature of Ishmael with Isaac's discipline.
  • ☯️ Integration: Key lesson is integrating spiritual values within the material world.
  • 🌐 Broader Implications: The story has implications on personal and international relations.
  • 🔑 Archetypes: Ishmael and Isaac symbolize larger societal and personal dynamics.
  • 🌍 Global Influence: Their descendants shaped religious and cultural landscapes globally.

Timeline

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    In the story of Abraham, he fathered Ishmael with Hagar because he was initially unable to have children with his wife, Sarah. Later, Abraham and Sarah miraculously had a child, Isaac. Ishmael and Isaac became ancestors of the Arab/Islamic world and the Jewish world, respectively. Their descendants, including Isaac's son Esau—ancestor of Rome, were in ideological and spiritual conflict, reflective of their personal disputes. Sarah saw Ishmael as a bad influence on Isaac, prompting Abraham to reluctantly send Ishmael and Hagar away. The spiritual conflict between them reflected Abraham's pioneering idea of a god-centric life, contrasting with the egocentric pagan worldview. This foundation of monotheism and the idea of serving a higher cause over personal interests became central to major religions and philosophies.

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    Ishmael was seen as an aggressive figure, influenced by religious fervor and lacking boundaries in spiritual values, while Isaac represented discipline and boundaries, known in Kabbalah as Gevurah. This difference led to a personal conflict, with Ishmael embodying love without discipline and Isaac demonstrating controlled discipline. This conflict is seen through historical lenses as representing unbounded permissiveness versus restrictive discipline—two approaches to life and spirituality. Future generations, like Jacob and Esau, would continue these dynamics. The speaker emphasizes a balance between love and discipline, advocating for integrating both in personal and historical contexts to achieve harmony and peace. The narrative hints at a future reconciliation between Ishmael and Isaac, serving as a metaphor for balancing internal and external conflicts.

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Frequently Asked Question

  • Who are Abraham's sons mentioned in the story?

    Abraham's sons mentioned are Ishmael, with Hagar, and Isaac, with Sarah.

  • What role do Ishmael and Isaac play in history?

    Ishmael is considered the ancestor of the Arab and later Muslim world, while Isaac is tied to the Jewish world.

  • What conflict existed between Ishmael and Isaac?

    Their spiritual and ideological differences, originating from different approaches to Abraham's teachings, often put them in conflict.

  • How do the approaches of Ishmael and Isaac differ?

    Ishmael's approach was more aggressive and boundary-less, while Isaac emphasized discipline and boundaries.

  • What lesson does the story convey about love and discipline?

    The story illustrates the need for balance between love and discipline, avoiding extremes of permissiveness and restriction.

  • How do these differences impact the nations descended from Ishmael and Isaac?

    Their nations, with differing approaches, often experience conflicts similar to those between their ancestors.

  • What is the ultimate message of the story?

    The story promotes finding a balance between love and discipline, mirroring the synthesis achieved by later generations.

  • How did Abraham's teachings influence his sons?

    Abraham introduced ideas of god-centric life and virtues, influencing Ishmael's and Isaac's divergent paths.

  • What eventual reconciliation occurs in the story?

    In their later years, Ishmael and Isaac reconcile, hinting at the possibility of harmony between differing ideologies.

  • What broader implications are suggested by the story?

    The story suggests that understanding these archetypal conflicts can aid in addressing personal and global disputes.

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    so here we have the story of Abraham
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    Abraham has a child called Ishmael with
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    Hagar
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    because Abraham was unable to have
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    children with his wife Sarah
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    suggested have a child with Agra and
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    they give birth to a child called
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    Ishmael
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    then miraculously Abraham and Sarah are
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    able to have a child and they do have a
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    child later called Isaac
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    Isaac new schmal an interesting study
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    because they would both be progenitors
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    of Nations to come
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    Ishmael is the father and ancestor of
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    the Arab and later Muslim world
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    Isaac the ancestor and father and
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    patriarch of the Jewish world
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    and the plot thickens which we'll talk
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    about in coming weeks
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    because Isaac would have two children
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    twins Jacob and asaph and asaph is the
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    ancestor and father of
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    Rome
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    of the Western Roman Christian world
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    so we're focusing on what is this week's
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    chapter that talks about Isaac and your
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    small but you see how the plot thickens
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    how it broadens and when you can
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    understand that they were in Conflict it
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    can help us understand how their
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    children and descendants
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    that ultimately became nations of their
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    own have conflicts because they did
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    begin with ideological spiritual
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    conflicts
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    so that's what we're going to talk about
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    right now this feud between Ishmael and
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    Isaac have brothers both shared a father
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    called Abraham two different mothers and
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    you find that Sarah the mother of Isaac
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    tells Abraham
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    small is a bad influence on Isaac I want
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    you to send them away and he does he
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    doesn't want to but he sends Ishmael and
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    his mother hugger away God protects them
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    but they were sent away what was the
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    conflict there
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    and it doesn't really status it just
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    says there was something going on
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    but when you look into the soul
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    the spiritual and mystical and esoteric
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    teachings you discover
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    Abraham had done something revolutionary
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    pioneering Abraham introduced the idea
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    that life is not egocentric but
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    god-centric
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    in simple English we're not here just to
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    serve ourselves we're here to serve
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    others to serve a higher cause to
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    experience a higher state of
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    consciousness and to connect to a higher
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    reality
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    this was a pioneering and trailblazing
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    approach to life because it countered
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    everything that was going on in his
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    world
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    the Pagan World focused far more on
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    control and power materialism
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    a success on that level
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    you can say it's not surprising we still
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    have that conflict don't we but Abraham
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    did introduce the father of monotheism
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    the father of all Nations became the
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    patriarch became the prophet that all
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    major religions follow
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    of course Judaism first Christianity and
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    Islam and even they say Buddhism you
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    have words like Brahman and other words
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    many words that seem to associate with
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    abraman as in Abraham
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    which isn't surprising because the Bible
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    does talk about Abraham sending his
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    children with a certain set of beliefs
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    and philosophies to the east
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    however you turn it Abraham is a key
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    figure in understanding the future of
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    the world because had Abraham introduced
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    the concept as we're told of Justice a
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    virtue of kindness of compassion
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    that yes we forgo our own personal
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    comforts
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    and our own self-interest for
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    being virtuous being kind
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    that's what Abraham dedicated himself
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    and his family to so he has two so here
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    he has two children you smile and Isaac
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    seemingly all is good they're both
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    following Abraham's path it shall lead
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    to only Harmony and beautiful peace and
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    yet it wasn't so simple because Abraham
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    did live in a time of tensions what that
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    means is the material world was not
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    ready to just surrender to spirituality
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    and to higher consciousness
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    maybe they would if it was on their
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    terms back to control
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    how do you deal with a world a material
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    world that's hostile to spiritual
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    ethereal and refined values
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    so there are three there are three ways
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    you can ignore it
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    which obviously is just avoiding the
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    issue you can go to war
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    with it or you learn to transform that
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    world
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    I should say there's another path a path
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    of asceticism which is not just
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    avoidance but finding a life on a
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    mountain where you avoid the challenge
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    but it's still a form of avoidance as in
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    but it is a path it's a path of
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    asceticism
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    Isaac as I should go with you're small
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    and Isaac both chose different paths
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    Ishmael was the warrior
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    he was a path of much more stronger path
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    and because of his religious passion
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    actually
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    you see Ishmael actually comes from the
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    word Ishmael god listen
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    should listen
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    it could be small was a man of prayer as
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    his mother was they prayed and and the
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    passion fervor of passion and religion
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    saw the world around them as a conflict
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    and therefore went with a far more give
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    a very aggressive approach that's why it
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    says you're small it says
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    his hand is everywhere and everything
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    within him a type of No Boundaries
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    now I should say war is not really the
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    right word because that really reserved
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    for his son-in-law later we learn about
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    ASA was the warrior but you're small
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    also inherited from Abraham a type of
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    love a deep love but love needs to be
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    disciplined
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    and for your small the boundaries were
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    not there and therefore there was a
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    confusion between the spiritual values
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    and how do you actually integrate them
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    into the world around around you Isaac
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    was a man of discipline was a man of in
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    the in the kabbalistic terminology
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    gevora
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    foreign
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    but I love also that when you're dealing
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    with a conflict what can you do you need
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    to you need to fall you need to pose it
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    the Hitchcock was initially a
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    disciplined person with boundaries so
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    his approach was far more based on
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    boundaries you have to create boundaries
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    between the material and the spiritual
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    ultimately that too has its challenges
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    because it's still not full integration
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    but you're small and and have brother
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    um Isaac each had different approaches
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    and therefore in their personal lives
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    there was also a conflict the conflict
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    between
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    Abraham's hassad was that was a very
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    humble has it is
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    a very aggressive asset and whereas
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    whereas Isaac was far more disciplined
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    in our own lives what do you do when you
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    have this child let's say your child
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    comes home from school
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    and did something wrong you can go with
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    an approach that basically ignores it or
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    just
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    just pour some you pour on love but
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    without boundaries and therefore you can
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    create a spoiled child
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    love is beautiful but it has to have
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    boundaries you can take the other
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    approach discipline Isaac's approach
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    discipline also needs to be boundaries
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    because too much discipline without love
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    won't work as well
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    and these two conflict with each other
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    when you don't have the proper balance
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    and hence they could not get along with
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    each other
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    fast forward turn the clock forward
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    this would evolve into two Nations that
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    have a very different approach to life
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    Isaac the disciplinarian and Ishmael the
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    giver without boundaries
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    and that would lead to ultimately two
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    different approaches that do not get
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    along with each other
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    the boundaries are critical because
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    without boundaries you don't have
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    structure and without structure you
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    really cannot integrate anything
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    when it comes to this battle between
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    living a spiritual life a life of values
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    in a material world
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    if you just go without any boundaries
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    becomes a totally confusion if you go
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    with an approach that has boundaries you
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    are at least laying the ground for some
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    type of balance
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    when you see what happens in the last
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    century especially in the last few
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    decades religious wars
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    which will once the domain not of the
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    the Muslims actually it was the domain
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    of the Christians actually
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    and others that fought religious wars
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    what do you see it's about the name of
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    God the only way to bring God to this
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    world is to eliminate the opposition
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    so you say how does that consistent with
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    love well that's like a flood it's a
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    love that doesn't have disciplines
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    so the only way is either you love
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    completely or you destroy that which you
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    cannot control
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    Isaac's approach is one of discipline
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    discipline means yes we need to look at
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    those that are different than us but
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    understand that things take a process
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    until you finally create a type of peace
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    and Harmony the ultimate peace and
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    Harmony would happen in the next
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    Generation with Jacob but at this stage
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    of the game you have these two forces
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    now the truth is each of them has a
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    verse with other does not have this is
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    not about one winning another losing
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    it's about finding the proper balance
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    so when you look at events through
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    history you look at the conflicts of
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    being either too permissive
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    or too restrictive that's where all the
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    battles take place
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    you need the balance between the two in
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    our personal lives we all have a Ishmael
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    and an Isaac within us we have the the
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    giving love that sometimes needs to have
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    controls and season be seasoned and be
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    tempered and we have the disciplinarian
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    with us within us you really need both
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    to be a healthy human being
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    so when you're faced with the situation
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    that is hostile to your belief system
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    you go with aggression you go with total
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    permissiveness everything goes or do you
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    have some discipline
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    and of course that is not an easy thing
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    it's easier said than done because the
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    fact of the matter is that when you get
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    down to it it's hard how do you really
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    balance the two how do you teach your
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    child what you did was inappropriate but
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    you also don't demoralize your child
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    discipline needs to be measured as well
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    but there you have two so-called
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    archetypes and essentially two
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    personality types that allow us to look
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    at ourselves and look at history and
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    you'll see this conflict play itself out
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    many many times
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    what we ultimately need is a synthesis
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    of the two and that will come in the
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    Next Generation when asub and Jacob will
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    confront each other where there you'll
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    have the confrontation of total
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    aggression and War
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    and Jacob the balance the Harmony and
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    the beauty that brings together the love
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    and the discipline but in this stage
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    where we are right now it's about
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    looking at two features two qualities
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    two archetypal
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    resources or you could say emotional
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    faculties that each of us has and one is
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    the giving but you need to know when to
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    stop giving and you need and discipline
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    and knowing when discipline also needs
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    to be controlled and both of them when
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    they faced head-on without that balance
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    will be a conflict and that conflict
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    plays itself out throughout history and
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    in our personal lives
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    this isn't a nutshell a bit of this
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    family feud and how it and its
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    implications as it developed throughout
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    history as we continue this story you'll
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    see how this all comes to life in so
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    many different ways in our own times as
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    I said both on the microcosm and the
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    microcosm on a personal level and on a
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    cosmic level and the key is obviously to
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    get to the root once you know the route
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    what can we do to to to temper the the
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    unbridled love of Ishmael and to
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    as well use a healthy form of discipline
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    and bring the two together that these
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    two brothers can live side by side which
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    ultimately does happen later on your
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    small does reconcile with Isaac in the
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    latter part of their lives so my friends
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    let us all look at these two forces
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    within us and try to find place to
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    balance it within ourselves and when we
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    do that on a microcosmic level it has a
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    ripple effect that can allow it also to
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    spread and express itself in the larger
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    World The Butterfly Effect
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    thanks so much this is Simon Jacobson
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    meaningful live every Sunday at 3 P.M
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    eastern time but it's recorded and you
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    different platforms and channels please
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    share your thoughts your feedback your
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    comments as well as any questions you
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    may have share with friends share with
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    others it's always an honor and pleasure
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    to speak to you Simon Jacobson here
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    everyone be well be healthy balance that
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    love and discipline within yourself
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    thank you
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