What It Takes to Open a Coffee Shop

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Summary

TLDRIn this insightful episode of the College Info Geek podcast, Thomas Frank interviews Dale Shy, owner of Park Avenue Coffee in St. Louis, Missouri. Dale shares his journey from IT professional to coffee shop owner, detailing the expansion of his business from a single outlet to four coffee shops, a roasting facility, and a baking operation. The conversation delves into the challenges and strategies that come with running a coffee business, focusing on customer service, community engagement, and product quality as key elements of success. Dale emphasizes the importance of having the right people, engaging with the community, and maintaining consistency in business operations. He also explains the unique aspects of his operation, such as air-roasting coffee and offering a St. Louis specialty dessert. Throughout, Dale's passion for his work stands out, offering listeners valuable insights into entrepreneurship and business management.

Takeaways

  • ☕ Dale transitioned from an IT career to owning a coffee business.
  • 🏢 Park Avenue Coffee has expanded to multiple locations, a roasting facility, and a bakery.
  • ⚡ Customer service and community engagement are crucial for business success.
  • 📦 Each Park Avenue Coffee shop reflects the unique community and architecture of its location.
  • 🌍 The company embraces local flavors and specialties, notably the gooey buttercake.
  • 💡 Expansion often involves adapting to new opportunities and challenges.
  • 🔧 Dale's previous business experiences contributed to his current success.
  • 🥇 Emphasizing quality and consistency helps retain a loyal customer base.
  • 🌱 Roasting his own coffee allowed Dale to maintain high standards.
  • 🎙️ The discussion provides a framework applicable beyond the coffee industry.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    In this episode of the College Info Geek Podcast, host Thomas Frank introduces a topic that's slightly different from the usual student-focused content: the intricacies of running a coffee shop. Although not every student aspires to this, Frank's curiosity was piqued due to a friend's entrepreneurial aspirations during his college days. This episode promises to explore the challenges and insights of running such a business through an interview with an experienced coffee shop owner.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Thomas recounts a personal anecdote about a friend's desire to open a coffee shop and his simplistic initial advice. This experience led him to reflect on the complexities of the coffee business, particularly as he spends much of his time working in such environments. Intrigued by the operational challenges posed by low product margins, he decided to investigate further by reaching out to a coffee shop he revered for its superb coffee during a visit to St. Louis.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The podcast takes a dive into the interview with Dale Shye, the owner of Park Avenue Coffee, who expands on his journey from one shop to multiple outlets along with additional ventures like a roasting facility and a baking operation. His narrative includes how he transitioned from IT to coffee under serendipitous circumstances, discussing the early challenges and his operational philosophies that have underpinned his success.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Dale Shye shares his backstory and how his venture into the coffee business was somewhat unplanned, yet welcomed due to his love for coffee and the community-centered nature of coffee shops. He describes the evolution of his business, including the pivotal moment when he acquired his first shop due to a series of personal life changes both for him and the previous owner. His sister, pivotal in the establishment's management, supported him effectively to build the business from scratch.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Dale emphasizes how the people-oriented nature of the coffee business requires excellent customer service as a foundation for success. His guiding principles around managing a coffee shop focus on establishing consistent quality and customer interactions, which eventually laid the groundwork for the expansion beyond a single outlet. The spontaneous opportunity to expand into gooey buttercake production played a crucial part, further diversifying and sustaining his business model.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The discussion veers into Dale's experimentation with the localized dessert, gooey buttercake, which partnered well with his coffee business and became a defining feature. This addition, along with local grocery partnerships, facilitated further growth and led to opening a separate baking facility. The narrative outlines the creative logistical decisions undertaken to expand their product line efficiently, leveraging local cultural tastes and business relationships.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Dale explains his strategic decision-making process concerning business expansion, exemplified by the opening of a downtown location facilitated by a mutually beneficial offer from property developers. The expansion came with challenges, but successes were driven by responding to local demand and ensuring a presence in key areas like downtown St. Louis, where foot traffic from convention goers fueled growth.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    The expansion continued cautiously, factoring in local demand and operational capabilities. Dale details the introduction of a roasting facility utilizing innovative air roasting technology and leveraging sustainable practices. This facility not only supplied his own stores but serviced the needs of multiple clients, demonstrating a pragmatic approach to diversification and quality control that aligns with his overall growth strategy.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    This segment explores how community engagement and understanding the local market are pivotal to Park Avenue Coffee’s success. Dale attributes the thriving business to community involvement, such as supporting local events and engaging actively with their locale, which reciprocates through consumer loyalty and high service patronage. His expansion is framed as a natural progression driven by community sentiments and business needs.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    As expansion opportunities emerged, Dale maintained a focus on matching his shop's atmosphere with the unique character of the locales, avoiding a cookie-cutter approach. Each shop maintains its distinct essence, reflecting the neighborhood's vibe, fostering familiarity and continuity with regular customers while adapting to new market trends, like implementing digital elements in modern areas to align with progressive clientele.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    Throughout the interview, Dale emphasizes the importance of building a strong team and hiring personnel who complement the business's operational demands. By acknowledging his own strengths and weaknesses, he strategically delegates roles, fostering an environment where employees can take initiative and align with the business's core values, assuring operational efficiency even as the business scales up.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:02:51

    The conversation wraps up with Dale's advice on entrepreneurship, underscoring the value of passion in business ventures. He stresses the importance of adaptability and continuous learning, which have been vital in navigating the dynamic landscape of running multiple coffee shops. His focus on customer-centric strategies and community involvement has established a thriving business model that goes beyond just selling coffee.

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Video Q&A

  • Did Dale Shy always plan to expand Park Avenue Coffee to multiple locations?

    Dale Shy initially didn't plan to open more locations; opportunities came as his business grew successfully.

  • How many locations does Park Avenue Coffee have?

    Park Avenue Coffee has four coffee shops, a roasting facility, and a separate baking facility as of now.

  • How did Dale Shy and his sister manage the first coffee shop?

    Dale Shy and his sister started with one location, which she managed while he maintained his IT job.

  • What were the initial steps Dale Shy took to improve the first coffee shop?

    Dale Shy bought his first coffee shop, which was small and manageable, and focused on customer service and quality as key principles.

  • What makes Park Avenue Coffee unique from other coffee shops?

    Park Avenue Coffee is unique due to its commitment to community engagement, consistency, and quality. Each location has individualized themes reflecting its environment.

  • Does Park Avenue Coffee roast its own coffee beans?

    Yes, they roast their own coffee and have a unique air roasting method which offers a cleaner taste without bitterness.

  • What experience did Dale Shy have before opening Park Avenue Coffee?

    Dale's background includes running an IT business and a failed transmission repair shop before opening Park Avenue Coffee.

  • What are the key principles Dale Shy attributes to Park Avenue Coffee's success?

    Dale Shy emphasizes customer service and community engagement as foundational principles for sustaining business success.

  • Why did Park Avenue Coffee expand to multiple locations?

    To reach wider clientele and ensure quality and consistency across locations, Dale expanded the coffee shop into central and popular areas in St. Louis.

  • What unique local product does Park Avenue Coffee offer alongside their coffee?

    The gooey buttercake is a local St. Louis specialty and one of Park Avenue Coffee's unique product offerings.

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  • 00:00:05
    hey what's going on everybody and
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    welcome to the college info geek podcast
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    my name is Thomas Frank and this is a
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    show that helps you become a more
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    effective student and in this episode
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    you're going to learn what it takes to
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    open a coffee shop now hear me out I
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    know this is probably not a goal that
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    every single student has but this is an
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    episode that I was a bit curious about
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    because when I was in college I had a
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    friend of mine who really wanted to open
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    her own coffee shop when she graduated
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    and she asked me you know what's your
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    advice for doing that I know you don't
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    own a coffee shop but you own your own
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    business and maybe some of your advice
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    can translate over to the coffee
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    business and I was like I don't know the
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    only thing I can think of is for you to
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    go get a job at a coffee shop work your
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    way up to being the highest level person
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    you can be and just soak up as much
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    knowledge as you possibly can and that
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    is exactly what she did actually she
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    wouldn't got a job at a coffee shop in
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    our town that's where she works now and
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    she's worked her way up to manager and
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    it's really cool to see but that
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    question kind of came back into my mind
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    a couple of weeks ago and I started to
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    think what does it take to run a coffee
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    business you know and I think about this
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    because I spend a lot of time in coffee
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    shops it's where I try to do most of my
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    work I've got my home office set up it's
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    where I'm recording this intro right now
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    it's where I record all my videos and
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    where I do most of my editing but when I
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    want to write or when I want to read or
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    research I try to get out and those are
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    the places I usually end up so I was
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    sitting in one of my favorite coffee
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    shops the couple weeks ago and and I
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    just got to thinking about this question
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    again what does it take to run a coffee
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    shop this is actually a pretty
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    interesting question it's you know it's
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    a product that has pretty low margins
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    compared to the kind of stuff that I
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    quote unquote sell I don't really sell
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    anything but I you know I'm not having
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    to buy products and then try to make
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    like a little tiny bit of profit off of
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    each sale so I just got to thinking like
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    this sounds like a pretty challenging
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    business to run I would love to
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    understand how it's done so I tried to
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    think of people that I could interview
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    and I remembered my girlfriend and I had
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    taken a trip to St Louis to go to City
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    Museum which is an amazing place it's
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    like not a museum it's like a crazy
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    playground that people of all ages can
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    go to and like everything there is made
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    out of metal and like sculpted out of
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    crazy recycled stuff and it's probably
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    my favorite place on Earth as a person
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    who loves to climb on stuff and do
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    parkour and all that kind of crazy stuff
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    like I I absolutely loved it but when we
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    were there we went into a place called
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    Park Avenue coffee because Anna and I
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    both have to do our daily reading and we
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    did not put our reading goals on hold
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    because of the vacation so we found a
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    coffee shop to sit in and I remember
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    thinking like this coffee is some of the
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    best coffee I have ever had so when I
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    got this question in my mind a couple of
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    weeks later I thought back to that
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    coffee shop and I was like you know what
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    I'm going to email the owner and I'm
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    going to ask if he'd like to come on the
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    show and talk about what it takes to
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    build and run a coffee shop and that is
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    exactly what this episode is it's an
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    interview with Dale shy who is the owner
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    of Park Avenue coffee in St Louis
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    Missouri now Park avue coffee is
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    actually now four coffee shops a
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    roasting facility and an entirely
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    separate baking facility that provides
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    lots of baked goods for all of their
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    coffee shops so Dale is running a pretty
  • 00:03:10
    big operation at this point but it
  • 00:03:12
    started out with one coffee shop 10
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    years ago so in this conversation you're
  • 00:03:16
    going to get to figure out how he got
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    started how he built the business what
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    his core ideals and principles are and
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    what has enabled his business to be
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    successful for the last decade I had
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    such a good time talking with him and I
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    got to say the lessons that Dale shared
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    from what he's learned running his own
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    business don't apply just to coffee like
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    we talk a little bit about you know
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    where to he buys his coffee how he
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    roasts it all that kind of stuff but for
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    the most part what he shared with me
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    were principles that taught him how to
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    run a good business and he's actually
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    got experience running different types
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    of businesses coffee isn't the only
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    thing he's ever done so if you have any
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    Ambitions of running your own business
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    someday or if you just want to learn
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    some of the principles that your future
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    or current employer are hopefully using
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    in the operation of Their Own business
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    which should hopefully help you become a
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    better employee and gain more trust and
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    maybe even get promoted sooner then I
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    think you're going to like this episode
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    a lot it's pretty high energy and I
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    really enjoyed it so that's all I've got
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    for this intro if you want to find the
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    show notes they are over at cig
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    podcast.com find the episode 114 link on
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    that page and you can find links to
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    everything we mentioned in the episode
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    along with ways to rate and review the
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    podcast on iTunes if you would like to
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    show your support for the show so check
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    those out if you're curious and let's
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    get into into the
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    [Music]
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    interview Dale welcome to the show wow
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    thanks for having me yeah for sure so I
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    I just got to tell you up front I went
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    into your downtown coffee shop in St
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    Louis when I was there to visit the city
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    museum which is now my favorite place in
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    the world it's a very cool place yes oh
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    my gosh it is I got a latte and it was
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    like my favorite one I've ever had oh
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    wow awes yeah my compliments to you and
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    I remember remember I was sitting there
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    and I remembered I had gotten a question
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    from a friend of mine in college and she
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    was like I want to start my own coffee
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    shop when I graduate how do I do that
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    and I was like I have no idea how to do
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    that but I would imagine that for any
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    business the best way to go about it
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    would be to go get a job of a coffee
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    shop try to like become the right-hand
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    man or woman and then learn all you can
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    I think that's a great idea
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    unfortunately I was not that smart when
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    I got in the Cofe but I think that would
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    be a great plan and next time I decide
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    to change careers midlife I'll uh I'll
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    take that into consideration yeah well
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    even though you didn't do that you're
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    now running what is it four coffee shops
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    yeah we have four shops here in the city
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    of St Louis yes cool so I kind of ran
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    through this in the intro but maybe I
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    could just ask you to kind of give a a
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    big Grand overview of what your business
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    is now because it's not just coffee at
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    this point right right we actually
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    started out with a single coffee shop in
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    a small neighborhood here in St Louis
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    within the city limits but it's a small
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    neighborhood within the city called
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    Lafayette Square uh it's a very nice
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    little neighborhood a bunch of Victorian
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    three-story homes very very old part of
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    St Louis great architecture just a
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    really cool walking community and we
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    started out there just about 10 years
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    ago actually and it was little bitty 900
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    square foot very very small quaint
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    little coffee shop and it just started
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    out to be that and a friend of mine
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    actually had opened that shop about two
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    years earlier and I absolutely fell in
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    love with the whole thing it was the
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    people and you build relationships and
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    you get to know one another and it's
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    just a very people and a very
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    relationship based business business and
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    before that I was in it for 20 years and
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    I was able to build relationships with
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    my customers but the downside was is I
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    had to fix their computer and then I
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    relationship and when I helped this
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    friend of mine actually when she opened
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    the shop of course I came from an IT
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    background I helped her with her
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    internal internet her wireless internet
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    for her customers and her internal
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    Network I helped her mom with QuickBooks
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    and some different things and so I
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    really helped her out to get the
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    business started on the it and the
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    technology side of things but really
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    fell in love with the whole coffee
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    aspect at that time I was very much in
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    coffee snob and would only you know
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    would only drink Starbucks coffee
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    because that was the best we could get
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    here in St Louis at the time or I
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    thought so anyway so the long story
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    short is two years later I had said
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    something to her at her grand opening
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    actually and I said you know what if you
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    ever want to sell this place I just have
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    fallen in love with the whole concept
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    it's a great little place it's Super C
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    you know really quaint and cozy and she
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    did a really nice job on the build out I
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    said if you ever want to sell the place
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    let me know so two years goes by and she
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    calls me and she says hey you know I'm
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    pregnant my husband's going to go back
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    to school and get his doctorate and
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    she's like you know now it's just not a
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    good time for me to own the coffee shop
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    do you want to buy it remember you
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    saying that I'm like well yeah I do
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    remember saying that but I don't think
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    so you know that I think that that
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    moment has passed uh and so so I said
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    you know give me a couple of days I'll
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    I'll consider it but you know I don't
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    really think it's the right time so two
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    days later it goes by I'm going to call
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    her back full intentions and saying you
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    know what I'm not really interested and
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    my sister calls me who had 20 years
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    Domino's Pizza experience so she had
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    left her job and decided that she'd been
  • 00:07:58
    in pizza for 20 years she just couldn't
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    do it anymore and she wanted out and so
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    I said do you want to run a coffee shop
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    so that's kind of how the whole thing
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    started so the deal was I was going to
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    own the coffee shop I was going to keep
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    my day job she was going to manage the
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    coffee shop it'd be kind of fun to own a
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    coffee shop I love good coffee it's a
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    great environment it'd be great so that
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    was a great concept until when it became
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    managed very well it became very busy
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    and it was a lot of work and more than
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    she could handle and at that time we had
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    two part-time people and one full-time
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    person and her it was open seven days a
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    week so I was working there as well as
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    my full-time job and and it was just I
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    was working 150 hours a week trying to
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    keep all these balls in the air and it
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    just wasn't working out so I ended up
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    long story short six months later I
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    ended up giving up my real job to do
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    this full-time and that was in 2006 wow
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    so the initial shop was called Lafayette
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    Square wasn't called Park Avenue at all
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    no the original shop that she opened was
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    called perk on the park okay right on
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    Lafayette Square Lafayette Square is the
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    neighborhood that it's located yeah and
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    there's this kind of there's a park kind
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    of cat cor to it right if I remember
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    correctly that's correct yeah Lafayette
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    Park is caddy corner to that location
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    right it's right across from the park
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    okay yeah cuz I I had to stop by to get
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    a lot to on the way home and the
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    Lafayette location was closer to where
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    we were staying oh nice the oh my gosh
  • 00:09:12
    St Louis's neighborhoods are just
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    beautiful you know what I don't think we
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    realize how lucky we have it here until
  • 00:09:18
    you go to a newer city is an old old old
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    city we just turned 250 years old so I
  • 00:09:24
    guess we're 252 years old now so it's an
  • 00:09:26
    old old city so the architecture we have
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    is just amazing yeah and you go to newer
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    cities and it's like they're so boring
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    the architect is so architecture is so
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    boring because you don't have all that
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    ornate detail and yeah it's a it's a
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    pretty amazing City when it comes if you
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    like architecture St Louis is a great
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    place to come and check out architecture
  • 00:09:42
    for sure yeah I remember I went to hobok
  • 00:09:45
    in New Jersey because my I've got
  • 00:09:46
    another podcast and my co-host lives
  • 00:09:48
    there and I'm from De Moine so it's like
  • 00:09:51
    it was just kind of mind-blowing seeing
  • 00:09:52
    all this architecture and then I go to
  • 00:09:53
    St Louis and I'm like this is similar
  • 00:09:57
    right you know and like in De Moine it's
  • 00:09:59
    got you know one or cool two little
  • 00:10:00
    neighborhoods but for the most part it's
  • 00:10:02
    it's newer it's not right quite as
  • 00:10:04
    storied so I didn't know that you had
  • 00:10:07
    bought the coffee shop from someone else
  • 00:10:09
    that's actually kind of a cool
  • 00:10:10
    development and I didn't know you were
  • 00:10:11
    in it so it's actually kind of cool that
  • 00:10:12
    you took this entire like 180 from your
  • 00:10:15
    original career to do something else
  • 00:10:17
    well and the thing was the coffee shop
  • 00:10:18
    though it was a beautiful place it was
  • 00:10:21
    it wasn't managed the best as it could
  • 00:10:22
    have been it was kind of a hobby for
  • 00:10:24
    this gal and she didn't really have to
  • 00:10:26
    work and so it was kind of a hobby for
  • 00:10:28
    her and so they got slow she would just
  • 00:10:30
    leave or she didn't want to open that
  • 00:10:32
    day she just wouldn't open so it's
  • 00:10:33
    really really poorly baged and she'll be
  • 00:10:35
    the first get that it really wasn't a
  • 00:10:37
    good fit it was really it was really
  • 00:10:39
    just kind of a place for her to hang out
  • 00:10:40
    and she thought oh it'd be cool to own a
  • 00:10:41
    coffee shop you know it'd be fun to hang
  • 00:10:43
    out and drink coffee all day but you
  • 00:10:44
    know you know the reality of it is is
  • 00:10:47
    you think oh it's just a little coffee
  • 00:10:48
    shop it's going to be easy to take care
  • 00:10:49
    of but you know you're there's a lot
  • 00:10:51
    when you're dealing with you know 12
  • 00:10:52
    hours 13 hours a day that you're open uh
  • 00:10:55
    or 15 hours a day now we're open 15
  • 00:10:57
    hours a day in that location and dealing
  • 00:10:59
    with Staffing and you're dealing with
  • 00:11:00
    ordering and you're dealing with
  • 00:11:01
    customers and you're dealing with you
  • 00:11:02
    know the business side of things and
  • 00:11:04
    taxes and paperwork and bills and
  • 00:11:06
    invoices and all that stuff it yeah it's
  • 00:11:09
    a lot of work and you wouldn't think a
  • 00:11:10
    little coffee shop would be that much
  • 00:11:12
    work but if you want to do it well you
  • 00:11:14
    know anything that you do well takes
  • 00:11:15
    time takes a lot of effort you know the
  • 00:11:17
    premise that I went into it with knowing
  • 00:11:19
    where it had been and where it was going
  • 00:11:20
    to intentionally intentionally we
  • 00:11:22
    changed the name we rebranded we
  • 00:11:24
    revamped the menu we revamped the coffee
  • 00:11:26
    we were using everything at that time to
  • 00:11:28
    make it very obviously that it was
  • 00:11:30
    different the biggest thing I went into
  • 00:11:32
    that was with really with one premise is
  • 00:11:34
    that you know what it's all about
  • 00:11:35
    customer service if we take care of the
  • 00:11:37
    customer the customer will take care of
  • 00:11:39
    our staff our staff will take care of
  • 00:11:42
    our customers and our customers will
  • 00:11:43
    come back and take care of the company
  • 00:11:44
    so if we take care of our customers
  • 00:11:45
    really that's that's really the just of
  • 00:11:47
    what it is you know people want to come
  • 00:11:49
    in and get a consistent quality drink
  • 00:11:51
    they want to come in and get the same
  • 00:11:52
    service that they expect every time they
  • 00:11:53
    come in and as long as you do that
  • 00:11:55
    people will come back it's pretty simple
  • 00:11:57
    premise I mean it's work to do that but
  • 00:11:59
    that's really the simple premise behind
  • 00:12:00
    it yeah yeah I read so I read a couple
  • 00:12:03
    of Articles just out of curiosity before
  • 00:12:04
    I decided to reach out to you about kind
  • 00:12:06
    of like the most important aspects of
  • 00:12:08
    running a coffee shop and article after
  • 00:12:11
    article was like coffee is not a food
  • 00:12:14
    business it's a people business
  • 00:12:15
    absolutely we just happen to sell a
  • 00:12:17
    commodity called coffee absolutely
  • 00:12:18
    correct and then I think the other tip
  • 00:12:20
    was like you have to be number one
  • 00:12:24
    obsessed with coffee and like the person
  • 00:12:26
    who's always going after the god shot of
  • 00:12:27
    espresso and all that and you have to be
  • 00:12:30
    in there Brewing it yourself you can't
  • 00:12:32
    just hire someone to do it for you so
  • 00:12:35
    what I figured is like since your guys's
  • 00:12:36
    coffee is so good my kind of initial
  • 00:12:38
    conception before I ever talking to you
  • 00:12:40
    was like all right Dale must have been
  • 00:12:42
    busting his butt in the first coffee
  • 00:12:43
    shop before the next ones came about but
  • 00:12:45
    now I'm hearing that you actually had a
  • 00:12:47
    partner to start this out with how did
  • 00:12:49
    it start out because your sister was
  • 00:12:51
    working at a pizza place was she also
  • 00:12:52
    like a coffee fici and a before getting
  • 00:12:54
    into this no her initial her initial
  • 00:12:57
    response to me was I can't do that I
  • 00:12:58
    don't even drink coffee and I I said and
  • 00:13:01
    she didn't at the time now she does but
  • 00:13:03
    she didn't at the time okay and I said
  • 00:13:05
    you know what it's no different we'll
  • 00:13:06
    take the little pepperonis out we'll put
  • 00:13:08
    little brown beans in it's the same
  • 00:13:10
    thing you're dealing with people you're
  • 00:13:12
    dealing with Staffing you're dealing
  • 00:13:13
    with customer service you're dealing
  • 00:13:15
    with ordering you're dealing with
  • 00:13:16
    scheduling you're dealing with food cost
  • 00:13:18
    and labor cost me it's the same exact
  • 00:13:20
    business and so in that aspect of
  • 00:13:22
    running the business side of the
  • 00:13:24
    business it is the same it is a food
  • 00:13:26
    business in that aspect when it comes to
  • 00:13:28
    the actual coffee business it's
  • 00:13:30
    definitely about relationships it's
  • 00:13:32
    definitely about people now we have a
  • 00:13:34
    little tagline our tagline is good
  • 00:13:36
    people good coffee and good gooey
  • 00:13:38
    buttercake which we'll get into the
  • 00:13:39
    gooey buttercake thing in a moment but
  • 00:13:41
    so it's good people is first and that's
  • 00:13:43
    absolutely 100% intentional it's all
  • 00:13:45
    about people and you know you said just
  • 00:13:47
    a second ago that I must be there doing
  • 00:13:49
    all these shots myself because it was so
  • 00:13:51
    perfect but obviously the day that you
  • 00:13:52
    were in I wasn't there and that all goes
  • 00:13:54
    back to you know we opened in August 1st
  • 00:13:57
    of 2006 we rebranded that started from
  • 00:13:59
    scratch opened that store up and I
  • 00:14:02
    actually had an interview that day that
  • 00:14:04
    we opened by the little neighborhood
  • 00:14:05
    local paper and I said that I have very
  • 00:14:08
    high standards in the quality of service
  • 00:14:10
    that we provide our customers and even
  • 00:14:13
    higher standard on the quality of
  • 00:14:15
    products that we serve and to do that we
  • 00:14:18
    have to have the right people in place
  • 00:14:21
    yeah that's exactly what it is it's all
  • 00:14:23
    about people but both directions it's
  • 00:14:25
    all about people our customers but it's
  • 00:14:26
    all about people and Staffing and having
  • 00:14:28
    the right people developing our staff
  • 00:14:30
    giving them the tools to succeed make
  • 00:14:33
    sure you put the people in the right
  • 00:14:34
    place so you know some of our employees
  • 00:14:36
    do better under high pressure fast-paced
  • 00:14:38
    they work at the faster paced cafes
  • 00:14:41
    people that may do better under a little
  • 00:14:42
    bit lower you know more of a steady flow
  • 00:14:44
    of traffic work in locations like that
  • 00:14:45
    so I think it's important you put the
  • 00:14:47
    right people in place and each person
  • 00:14:49
    may be a different place for them but
  • 00:14:51
    put them in the right place to succeed
  • 00:14:52
    give them the tools to succeed give them
  • 00:14:54
    the training to succeed and people can
  • 00:14:56
    do this I don't have to pull every shot
  • 00:14:57
    of apress and obviously with stores and
  • 00:14:59
    and serving a thousand customers a day
  • 00:15:02
    now there's no way I can do all that
  • 00:15:03
    myself we have to have the right people
  • 00:15:05
    in place to do that yeah it's that's
  • 00:15:07
    totally impossible to do it all yourself
  • 00:15:09
    definitely agree with the the whole
  • 00:15:11
    importance of putting people where they
  • 00:15:12
    fit best I remember I got a job at
  • 00:15:14
    Target when I was in high school and
  • 00:15:16
    they put me as like a sample guy right
  • 00:15:19
    where I just like stood in the aisle and
  • 00:15:21
    did almost nothing for like 90% of my
  • 00:15:24
    shift and I was horrible and then I was
  • 00:15:26
    like you need to put me somewhere where
  • 00:15:27
    I work harder and they put me in like
  • 00:15:29
    the most busiest fast food crazy 10
  • 00:15:32
    balls in the air kind of thing at once
  • 00:15:33
    and I was like this is perfect yeah
  • 00:15:35
    exact my element so other people that
  • 00:15:37
    would just have a meltdown in that
  • 00:15:38
    situation like give me that little
  • 00:15:39
    sample job I'm good with that you know
  • 00:15:42
    it is I think people you know we can't
  • 00:15:43
    all be the same what a boring places
  • 00:15:45
    would be if we were all the same so I
  • 00:15:46
    think right I think it's important to do
  • 00:15:47
    that for sure yeah so did you have any
  • 00:15:50
    prior business experience before this or
  • 00:15:52
    was your it job like self-employed or
  • 00:15:54
    was it for someone else so yes I had
  • 00:15:56
    prior business experience I actually
  • 00:15:59
    owned a business when I was 21 years old
  • 00:16:01
    that failed miserably and completely
  • 00:16:04
    this is this is going to crack you up
  • 00:16:05
    but I actually owned a transmission
  • 00:16:07
    repair shop really completely unrelated
  • 00:16:10
    yeah I've had a lot of careers in my
  • 00:16:12
    life and one of those careers was I was
  • 00:16:14
    a certified ASC Certified master
  • 00:16:16
    technician and that was just one of the
  • 00:16:18
    things I've done in life but yeah I was
  • 00:16:20
    I was 21 years old and I I learned a lot
  • 00:16:22
    from that business and I realized at
  • 00:16:24
    that time that what I really loved about
  • 00:16:26
    business at that point was the whole
  • 00:16:28
    whole what's new and exciting and
  • 00:16:30
    different you know I'm I'm you know they
  • 00:16:33
    there's different people in different
  • 00:16:34
    perspectives in business and some people
  • 00:16:35
    are like the entrepreneur that's like
  • 00:16:37
    bigger better faster smarter and then
  • 00:16:39
    other people are the manager who they
  • 00:16:41
    want to do the same thing today that
  • 00:16:42
    they did yesterday and the same thing
  • 00:16:43
    tomorrow that they did today and nothing
  • 00:16:45
    changes and everything's within the
  • 00:16:46
    little square box and as long as they
  • 00:16:48
    stay within their little comfort zone
  • 00:16:49
    they're good you know and then there's
  • 00:16:50
    people who just want to do the work you
  • 00:16:52
    know I just want to make lattes I don't
  • 00:16:53
    want to do anything else I don't want to
  • 00:16:55
    unlock the door I don't want to be
  • 00:16:56
    responsible for anything I want to make
  • 00:16:58
    lattes and so you've got the technician
  • 00:17:00
    who wants to do that you got the manager
  • 00:17:01
    who does the day-to-day stuff and does
  • 00:17:02
    the same thing over and over and over
  • 00:17:04
    again and then they have people like me
  • 00:17:05
    who you know being the entrepreneur is I
  • 00:17:07
    don't like day-to-day stuff I get bored
  • 00:17:10
    with day-to-day stuff doing the same
  • 00:17:11
    thing every day over and over and over
  • 00:17:13
    again is not fulfilling to me at all and
  • 00:17:15
    so my first business failed because
  • 00:17:18
    after I got it set up and after I got it
  • 00:17:19
    started and I started this place from
  • 00:17:20
    scratch and I was 21 years old and it
  • 00:17:23
    was successful and profitable and you
  • 00:17:25
    know I was a 20-year-old driving a new
  • 00:17:28
    Mustang invertible I mean we were doing
  • 00:17:29
    great and then when we got open and
  • 00:17:32
    everything was running smoothly I got
  • 00:17:33
    bored and I was just around because it
  • 00:17:35
    wasn't it wasn't fun anymore at that
  • 00:17:37
    point so I learned in this one that the
  • 00:17:39
    day-to-day stuff is not my trick and
  • 00:17:41
    what my sister who would was in a
  • 00:17:43
    franchise concept for 20 years doing the
  • 00:17:45
    same thing over and over and over again
  • 00:17:47
    is exactly what she does and does very
  • 00:17:50
    well what she doesn't do well with is
  • 00:17:52
    change and so that was a challenge
  • 00:17:54
    obviously when I wanted to make changes
  • 00:17:56
    and make things better but the bottom
  • 00:17:57
    line is is I knew I was wasn't the guy
  • 00:17:59
    to do the day-to-day stuff and that's
  • 00:18:01
    made the difference between the first
  • 00:18:02
    business which I failed miserably in and
  • 00:18:04
    this business is understanding you have
  • 00:18:07
    to hire people for the stuff that you
  • 00:18:10
    don't want to do or can't do or it's not
  • 00:18:11
    your your gift right and if you do that
  • 00:18:15
    you can succeed but if you have to do
  • 00:18:16
    stuff that you hate you're just not
  • 00:18:17
    going to do it or you're not gonna do it
  • 00:18:19
    very well so is that part of the reason
  • 00:18:21
    that it's expanded so much because
  • 00:18:23
    you're constantly looking for ways to do
  • 00:18:24
    something different I think one thing
  • 00:18:27
    that I've told business people in the
  • 00:18:29
    past is I think a lot of people get a
  • 00:18:30
    business model or a business plan in
  • 00:18:33
    their head and I think they do some
  • 00:18:35
    things very well where they put their
  • 00:18:37
    nose to the grindstone they put their
  • 00:18:38
    head down and they go for that goal and
  • 00:18:40
    that goal is everything to them and it's
  • 00:18:42
    end all be all and that's what they have
  • 00:18:43
    to do and I think some people Miss
  • 00:18:46
    opportunities by doing that so I think
  • 00:18:49
    yet though I think there's a lot of
  • 00:18:50
    value in yes setting a goal and working
  • 00:18:52
    you know adamantly to that goal I think
  • 00:18:54
    is important but I also think sometimes
  • 00:18:56
    you have to make sure you're looking up
  • 00:18:58
    in front of you to see where you're
  • 00:18:59
    going to see if opportunities present
  • 00:19:01
    themselves and so with that said you
  • 00:19:03
    know our second location so I said
  • 00:19:06
    something earlier about gooey buttercake
  • 00:19:07
    and gooey buttercake is this St Louis
  • 00:19:10
    dessert it's it was actually made by
  • 00:19:12
    mistake in the early 1940s somebody was
  • 00:19:14
    making a deep buttercake similar to a
  • 00:19:17
    pound cake they reversed the flour and
  • 00:19:19
    the sugar ingredients so way too much
  • 00:19:21
    sugar and way too little flour the cake
  • 00:19:24
    didn't rise properly so it stayed really
  • 00:19:25
    low in the pan but it had so much sugar
  • 00:19:28
    in it kind of caramelized around the
  • 00:19:29
    edges and on the crust so it kind of
  • 00:19:31
    made this lemon bar kind of thing so you
  • 00:19:34
    had a crust on around the edges and on
  • 00:19:36
    the on the bottom and then it was like
  • 00:19:37
    this gooey Center okay so it his wife
  • 00:19:40
    later that day you know they obviously
  • 00:19:42
    realized they made a mistake and they
  • 00:19:43
    remade the Deep butter cake that they
  • 00:19:45
    were making and later that day his wife
  • 00:19:46
    walks back into the kitchen and tastes
  • 00:19:49
    it and says you know what it's really
  • 00:19:51
    good but it's awfully gooey and it was
  • 00:19:54
    called a deep buttercake and so at that
  • 00:19:56
    time they pegged it a gooey buttercake
  • 00:19:59
    so it's very much a St Louis unique St
  • 00:20:01
    Louis dessert you won't find it many
  • 00:20:03
    places outside of St Louis and so
  • 00:20:06
    growing up in St Louis it was a staple
  • 00:20:08
    in our life you know my grandparents
  • 00:20:10
    made it my mother made it growing up and
  • 00:20:12
    so we decided that we were a local
  • 00:20:14
    coffee shop and what's more local to St
  • 00:20:15
    Louis than gooey buttercake and we
  • 00:20:16
    should do local stuff so we started
  • 00:20:18
    making my mom's traditional gooey
  • 00:20:20
    buttercake well and I say we it really
  • 00:20:22
    wasn't we my sister started making my
  • 00:20:24
    mom's traditional buttercake and so
  • 00:20:26
    we actually started doing this go cake
  • 00:20:29
    and it was like a phenomenon I mean
  • 00:20:31
    everyone in St Louis knew where it was
  • 00:20:32
    there was some companies here in St
  • 00:20:33
    Louis doing it but not a lot and so we
  • 00:20:37
    started out with doing my mom's
  • 00:20:38
    traditional gooey buttercake and ended
  • 00:20:40
    up doing another flavor for a customer
  • 00:20:42
    and then before you knew it we had 75
  • 00:20:45
    different flavors of this specialty
  • 00:20:47
    dessert called goey so we were baking
  • 00:20:49
    all that out of the original coffee shop
  • 00:20:52
    my sister was baking all of that with by
  • 00:20:54
    herself and then we got busier she had
  • 00:20:56
    one staff person helping her and we
  • 00:20:57
    would do coffee baking coffee shop
  • 00:20:59
    baking until lunchtime and then we would
  • 00:21:01
    start baking our gooey butter cakes from
  • 00:21:02
    noon until 10 p.m. so we were running a
  • 00:21:05
    second shift out of the coffee shop
  • 00:21:07
    doing the gooey buttercake and so it
  • 00:21:08
    wasn't too long after that we decided we
  • 00:21:10
    couldn't do that we basically ran out of
  • 00:21:12
    space on the upstairs of the coffee shop
  • 00:21:14
    so we built a lower level production
  • 00:21:16
    room so we were carrying all the
  • 00:21:18
    ingredients downstairs to make the cakes
  • 00:21:20
    and then carry all the ingredients the
  • 00:21:22
    cakes upstairs to bake and then
  • 00:21:24
    downstairs to cool and package and then
  • 00:21:26
    back upstairs to deliver so it wasn't
  • 00:21:28
    long before we really ran out of space
  • 00:21:30
    there and we actually opened a bakery
  • 00:21:32
    and the baking company is called an and
  • 00:21:35
    Allen which happens to be my sister and
  • 00:21:37
    my's middle name so it's an Ann and then
  • 00:21:40
    Allen Al Len baking is a bakery that we
  • 00:21:44
    own so that that Bakery does gooey
  • 00:21:46
    buttercake and it also bakes for some of
  • 00:21:49
    our for all of our stores and then a lot
  • 00:21:51
    of our products that we get for our
  • 00:21:53
    coffee shops so like our cookie dough
  • 00:21:54
    and some of our muffin batters and our
  • 00:21:56
    scone batters and all that stuff we make
  • 00:21:59
    from our Baking Company deliver
  • 00:22:01
    refrigerated to each one of our coffee
  • 00:22:02
    shops and then they bake them fresh in
  • 00:22:04
    each store that's actually really cool
  • 00:22:06
    that you guys are able to from scratch
  • 00:22:08
    make all of your baked goods in an
  • 00:22:11
    operation that has multiple stores
  • 00:22:12
    because I would imagine that a lot can't
  • 00:22:14
    do that well and I think it was it's
  • 00:22:17
    kind of an interesting the gooey
  • 00:22:18
    buttercake was the kind of that conduit
  • 00:22:20
    that helped us get busy enough we at
  • 00:22:23
    that time when we were baking in in the
  • 00:22:24
    basement of our first first coffee shop
  • 00:22:26
    we were baking for a grocery store chain
  • 00:22:28
    that had five stores here in St Louis we
  • 00:22:31
    were also baking for a coffee shop chain
  • 00:22:32
    who had four units here in St Louis
  • 00:22:35
    besides our own coffee shop so we were
  • 00:22:36
    basically baking for 10 companies out of
  • 00:22:39
    the basement of our little coffee shop
  • 00:22:40
    and so we were lucky enough to have that
  • 00:22:43
    business to be able to afford to move
  • 00:22:45
    into a baking Commissary because that's
  • 00:22:47
    the challenge is you're having another
  • 00:22:49
    business address with another set of
  • 00:22:51
    rent and electric and gas and utilities
  • 00:22:54
    and Staffing and labor and all of that
  • 00:22:56
    without having any retail business there
  • 00:22:58
    yeah so it is a challenge so we had the
  • 00:23:00
    ability since the gooey butter cake had
  • 00:23:02
    kind of been taken off and we had
  • 00:23:03
    started shipping our gooey buttercake as
  • 00:23:05
    well as providing it for other shops
  • 00:23:07
    here in St Louis and grocery stores we
  • 00:23:08
    had enough clientele to open a bakery so
  • 00:23:11
    it was in January of 2009 that we opened
  • 00:23:13
    that baking operation and then uh as far
  • 00:23:16
    as the expansion and I know it took me a
  • 00:23:17
    minute to get to that point but so it
  • 00:23:19
    was in 2010 that we were approached and
  • 00:23:22
    being you know open to Opportunities we
  • 00:23:24
    were not looking to go downtown but this
  • 00:23:26
    company had called it had a space
  • 00:23:27
    downtown and wanted to know if we were
  • 00:23:29
    interested in it and we were definitely
  • 00:23:31
    interested in going downtown and I think
  • 00:23:33
    at that point we had been on Food
  • 00:23:34
    Network for our guey buttercake and so
  • 00:23:36
    it's we had gotten some national
  • 00:23:37
    exposure so people came into St Louis
  • 00:23:39
    looking for this and we were like two
  • 00:23:42
    miles out of downtown so a lot of people
  • 00:23:44
    travel for business they don't have a
  • 00:23:45
    rental car and St Louis is not the best
  • 00:23:48
    mass transit company you know City out
  • 00:23:50
    there in the country yeah so it's not
  • 00:23:52
    easy to get around if you know you
  • 00:23:53
    almost have to have a car in St Louis if
  • 00:23:55
    you're here and you know Uber is now
  • 00:23:57
    here but that's just as real recent
  • 00:23:58
    thing too and and taxis aren't on every
  • 00:24:00
    corner like you'd see in a big major
  • 00:24:01
    city unfortunately so we were too far
  • 00:24:03
    from downtown to really pull much
  • 00:24:05
    traffic from people who were traveling
  • 00:24:07
    so downtown location would have been
  • 00:24:08
    perfect for us and so though we weren't
  • 00:24:10
    necessarily looking for it the
  • 00:24:11
    opportunity arose the guy contacted us
  • 00:24:13
    and said would you like to do this and
  • 00:24:15
    I'm like you know we just opened this
  • 00:24:16
    bacing operation we're not really not
  • 00:24:17
    ready and you know we had a great
  • 00:24:19
    reputation in the location that we were
  • 00:24:21
    at and they really wanted us downtown
  • 00:24:23
    and they ended up really really helping
  • 00:24:26
    us out as far as like buildout costs and
  • 00:24:28
    you know there was already an existing
  • 00:24:30
    shop there that had failed so there was
  • 00:24:31
    some equipment left behind and so we
  • 00:24:33
    basically were able to go in and Rebrand
  • 00:24:34
    it repaint it and open it within about
  • 00:24:37
    two months it was a great opportunity
  • 00:24:39
    and downtown has been phenomenal as you
  • 00:24:41
    know if you went to our downtown store
  • 00:24:42
    we're only about two blocks block at a
  • 00:24:44
    half in the convention center so yeah
  • 00:24:45
    most all traffic downtown is you know in
  • 00:24:48
    for business or in for a convention and
  • 00:24:49
    we're so close to the convention center
  • 00:24:50
    so it's brings a ton of business to us
  • 00:24:52
    for sure I don't even think I looked up
  • 00:24:55
    your company on Yelp or anything I just
  • 00:24:57
    we were walking from from the arch to uh
  • 00:25:00
    the City Museum and I was like we need a
  • 00:25:02
    coffee shop to get our reading done and
  • 00:25:04
    oh there's one yeah exactly yeah so so
  • 00:25:07
    yeah it's a great area I think it's one
  • 00:25:09
    it's the only coffee shop in downtown St
  • 00:25:11
    Louis that doesn't serve food so it's
  • 00:25:14
    actually a place that you can go and
  • 00:25:16
    catch up on your reading or get on your
  • 00:25:17
    laptop and hang out and not feel guilty
  • 00:25:19
    for taking a table when they're trying
  • 00:25:20
    to serve lunch service and you know what
  • 00:25:22
    I kind of noticed that because it seems
  • 00:25:24
    like a lot of the places here in De
  • 00:25:26
    Moine have more of like a sit down Vibe
  • 00:25:28
    and then a lot of the places I looked up
  • 00:25:29
    in St Louis were almost like restaurants
  • 00:25:33
    maybe and maybe I just selected it's a
  • 00:25:35
    challenge you have in the coffee
  • 00:25:36
    business pretty much anywhere you go in
  • 00:25:37
    the country the north the Northeast is
  • 00:25:39
    probably the Northwest excuse me is
  • 00:25:41
    probably a little bit unique to any area
  • 00:25:43
    in the country when it comes to coffee
  • 00:25:44
    but anywhere else in the country most
  • 00:25:46
    places it's tough to survive on coffee
  • 00:25:48
    alone because there's parts of the day
  • 00:25:50
    that people don't buy coffee right I
  • 00:25:52
    mean if you're out at lunch you're
  • 00:25:54
    probably not buying coffee you're going
  • 00:25:55
    to grab something for lunch and and eat
  • 00:25:56
    and go back to work or whatever so a lot
  • 00:25:59
    of places you have a real dead time in
  • 00:26:02
    coffee in the in the afternoon you know
  • 00:26:04
    early afternoon and lunchtime and then
  • 00:26:05
    evening time is really bad around dinner
  • 00:26:07
    time or whatever the one thing that
  • 00:26:09
    allowed us not to serve lunch and we
  • 00:26:11
    really didn't want to serve lunch going
  • 00:26:12
    into this it's just a lot more I mean
  • 00:26:15
    people think oh he just add a sandwich
  • 00:26:16
    well then you've got you know we got to
  • 00:26:17
    get bread and you got to keep bread
  • 00:26:18
    fresh and then you've got to get meat
  • 00:26:20
    and you got to make sure you go through
  • 00:26:20
    it before it goes bad and then you know
  • 00:26:22
    you've got you've got more loss you've
  • 00:26:24
    got more waste and you've got more
  • 00:26:25
    spoilage and it's just a a big big big
  • 00:26:27
    deal but most places have to have that
  • 00:26:30
    little extra 15 or 20% of sales to
  • 00:26:33
    really make ends meet because it is
  • 00:26:35
    tough to make it on coffee loan you know
  • 00:26:37
    people think that coffee's four bucks a
  • 00:26:38
    glass or whatever four bucks a cup is a
  • 00:26:40
    lot of money but at the end of the day
  • 00:26:42
    if we walk away with
  • 00:26:44
    10% of the cost of your coffee so if you
  • 00:26:47
    spend $4.50 if we walk away with 45
  • 00:26:50
    cents that's pretty good 10 to 15%
  • 00:26:52
    margin is is pretty typical in this
  • 00:26:54
    business so it takes a ridiculous amount
  • 00:26:56
    of volume to be to pay your staff and
  • 00:26:59
    make sure your equipment continues to
  • 00:27:01
    run and you can pay your rent and those
  • 00:27:02
    sorts of things so so there's so most
  • 00:27:05
    shops will do coffee because they have
  • 00:27:07
    to and one of the things I think is a
  • 00:27:08
    challenge and you even said that so you
  • 00:27:10
    kind of go in and it's like you feel
  • 00:27:11
    like you're in a restaurant and I think
  • 00:27:13
    that's the thing is we always in all of
  • 00:27:14
    our signs and all of our stores is we
  • 00:27:16
    are the neighborhood coffee shop and the
  • 00:27:18
    neighborhood coffee shop is a place you
  • 00:27:20
    can go and meet your neighbor or meet
  • 00:27:21
    your new neighbors or meet new people or
  • 00:27:23
    whatever you need to do and it's not a
  • 00:27:25
    restaurant where you have to go sit in a
  • 00:27:26
    table with four chairs and that's your
  • 00:27:28
    coffee shop all of our places definitely
  • 00:27:30
    have you know comfy cozy seating and
  • 00:27:33
    places to hang out and never pressured
  • 00:27:36
    you to leave after an hour of Wi-Fi or
  • 00:27:38
    any of that I mean it's truly a
  • 00:27:39
    community space and it all goes back to
  • 00:27:41
    it's all about people yeah exactly
  • 00:27:43
    actually on the margin aspect I wanted
  • 00:27:46
    to ask you because I was I was doing
  • 00:27:47
    some research about that before I ended
  • 00:27:49
    up reaching out to you and I think one
  • 00:27:51
    blog post said it was like 8% margin on
  • 00:27:54
    coffee or something and they said that
  • 00:27:55
    was good which blew my mind I was like
  • 00:27:58
    8% margin is good on a on a product so I
  • 00:28:01
    just like did a back of the napkin
  • 00:28:03
    calculation like You' have to sell I
  • 00:28:05
    think a th000 cups a day at like an
  • 00:28:07
    average of 350 if you want to bring in
  • 00:28:09
    10 grand and that's before you know
  • 00:28:11
    you're keeping lights on employees all
  • 00:28:13
    that kind of stuff yeah it's it's not
  • 00:28:15
    nearly as as profitable as people think
  • 00:28:17
    people think even and I think a lot of
  • 00:28:18
    people think restaurants in general you
  • 00:28:21
    know if you go out to dinner and spend a
  • 00:28:22
    100 bucks you're like oh my God it was
  • 00:28:23
    100 bucks for that dinner for four of us
  • 00:28:25
    or whatever for two of you or whatever
  • 00:28:26
    it was and it's like that's a lot of
  • 00:28:27
    money but put into the consideration of
  • 00:28:29
    what it takes you know you have to have
  • 00:28:30
    a manager in that store and you have to
  • 00:28:32
    have employees and you have to have
  • 00:28:33
    equipment and stuff breaks and you know
  • 00:28:35
    you have to get it repaired and you know
  • 00:28:37
    the Electric's on and door open 600
  • 00:28:39
    times a day because you got 300 people
  • 00:28:40
    walking in and 300 people walking out so
  • 00:28:42
    the air conditioner bill is 1,500 bucks
  • 00:28:43
    a month you know our little bitty space
  • 00:28:45
    in lfan square it's not uncommon I mean
  • 00:28:48
    I think last month which was super super
  • 00:28:49
    mild here we had a$1 thousand electric
  • 00:28:51
    bill oh my gosh you know so it takes you
  • 00:28:53
    know how many how many coffees does it
  • 00:28:54
    take to get to that thousand doll so you
  • 00:28:56
    can pay the electric bill so yeah yeah
  • 00:28:58
    all about volume and and you know it's
  • 00:29:00
    one thing and that's it's that's the
  • 00:29:01
    hard part is is you have to have volume
  • 00:29:04
    but you can't start day one with volume
  • 00:29:06
    so it's it's a challenge and it's and
  • 00:29:08
    any business is hard I mean and I think
  • 00:29:10
    though I love absolutely love what we do
  • 00:29:13
    every day I love coming to work it
  • 00:29:14
    doesn't seem like work at all which is
  • 00:29:15
    what I'll tell anybody who goes into
  • 00:29:17
    business for themselves find something
  • 00:29:18
    that you love don't try to do something
  • 00:29:21
    because you think there's a buck to be m
  • 00:29:22
    in it because you're going to be
  • 00:29:23
    miserable find something that you love
  • 00:29:25
    and figure out how to make money doing
  • 00:29:26
    that that's that's the trick so what did
  • 00:29:30
    you guys do uh initially to get volume
  • 00:29:34
    when you were just just starting out
  • 00:29:36
    well again the coffee shop that's the
  • 00:29:39
    initial coffee shop was in a amazing
  • 00:29:42
    neighborhood and the neighborhood that
  • 00:29:44
    it's in is
  • 00:29:46
    like I would I would put it up against
  • 00:29:48
    pretty much any neighborhood in St Louis
  • 00:29:50
    it's it's not necessarily the cheapest
  • 00:29:53
    place to live in St Louis but it's one
  • 00:29:55
    of the safest one of the best places to
  • 00:29:57
    live the housing Market is very good the
  • 00:29:59
    houses are very expensive uh it it
  • 00:30:01
    brings a really great clientele
  • 00:30:03
    especially for for coffee shops you know
  • 00:30:05
    coffee shops people professionals drink
  • 00:30:08
    coffee out you know people are lower
  • 00:30:11
    income that's not a good demographic for
  • 00:30:13
    coffee so the demographics of that
  • 00:30:14
    particular neighborhood was was really
  • 00:30:16
    really good they were super supportive
  • 00:30:18
    of their neighborhood they got it and I
  • 00:30:20
    say they get it like okay if the
  • 00:30:21
    business Community is thriving property
  • 00:30:24
    values will increase if the businesses
  • 00:30:27
    aren't thriving and there a bunch of
  • 00:30:28
    boarded up businesses in the
  • 00:30:29
    neighborhood that's not good for our
  • 00:30:31
    neighborhood and our values and they got
  • 00:30:33
    that I mean people in our neighborhood
  • 00:30:34
    would wear shirts that say chain
  • 00:30:35
    restaurants with a circle and a slash
  • 00:30:37
    through it I mean they St Louis and I
  • 00:30:39
    and I think this is becoming more and
  • 00:30:41
    more all over the country but I think 10
  • 00:30:43
    years ago St Louis was huge on
  • 00:30:45
    supporting local you know and take care
  • 00:30:47
    of the people who can take care of you
  • 00:30:48
    and so we're very involved in our
  • 00:30:49
    communities we're very involved in our
  • 00:30:51
    neighborhoods and we sponsor the you
  • 00:30:53
    know the kids in the neighborhood and we
  • 00:30:55
    sponsor the park and we the Arts Council
  • 00:30:58
    that does concerts in the park we
  • 00:30:59
    sponsor that you know and we're we're as
  • 00:31:02
    much of a part of the community as the
  • 00:31:03
    community is a part of us and it's a
  • 00:31:05
    two-way street we have to be there for
  • 00:31:06
    them because they're there for us every
  • 00:31:08
    day when we open the door to come in and
  • 00:31:09
    buy their coffee so right I think the
  • 00:31:11
    neighborhood really really wanted to
  • 00:31:13
    support that coffee shop from day one
  • 00:31:15
    and I had done some Recon before I
  • 00:31:17
    actually decided to buy it and I would
  • 00:31:19
    walk I'd go up there during the day or
  • 00:31:20
    in the evenings around dinner time when
  • 00:31:22
    people were walking from the restaurants
  • 00:31:23
    and I'm like hey what do you think of
  • 00:31:25
    that coffee shop over there like it's a
  • 00:31:27
    great place we love love it but they're
  • 00:31:28
    never open and I heard that 20 times out
  • 00:31:31
    of 30 people that I talked to that
  • 00:31:33
    looked like they were neighborhoody kind
  • 00:31:34
    of people 20 out of 30 of them said yeah
  • 00:31:36
    the place is awesome but it's never open
  • 00:31:39
    okay so so I'm like okay well if they
  • 00:31:41
    think it's awesome but they stopped
  • 00:31:43
    trying to come by because every time
  • 00:31:44
    they come by it would be closed and
  • 00:31:45
    they're like well we just gave up on the
  • 00:31:46
    place but it would be great if it'd be
  • 00:31:48
    open so I thought okay so they want
  • 00:31:50
    something consistently and consistency
  • 00:31:52
    and I'm like that's anybody wants
  • 00:31:53
    consistency we want consistency in our
  • 00:31:55
    life every day you know if it's if it's
  • 00:31:57
    you know what we expect on traffic when
  • 00:31:59
    we go to work what we expect from our
  • 00:32:00
    spouse or significant other when we get
  • 00:32:01
    home or what we expect at work we want
  • 00:32:03
    consistency in our life so I'm like
  • 00:32:04
    that's easy to accomplish right we can
  • 00:32:06
    be open set hours and so it when it
  • 00:32:08
    became managed very well and my sister
  • 00:32:10
    did a great job managing the day-to-day
  • 00:32:11
    stuff people started coming in and then
  • 00:32:14
    they would tell their friends and then
  • 00:32:15
    it was just really absolutely Grassroots
  • 00:32:18
    and people told people and we got a
  • 00:32:21
    little bit of press when we opened up
  • 00:32:22
    and that helped and then we did this
  • 00:32:24
    gooey buttercake thing and then you know
  • 00:32:26
    three years later we on Food Network
  • 00:32:28
    with that so that obviously helped
  • 00:32:30
    things out and then we opened our
  • 00:32:32
    downtown location So that obviously
  • 00:32:33
    helped things out and then we got to a
  • 00:32:35
    point where the the bakery did a great
  • 00:32:38
    job supporting our coffee shops but we
  • 00:32:40
    were buying our coffee from someone else
  • 00:32:42
    we were buying from a local roer here in
  • 00:32:44
    St Louis and it was great for a long
  • 00:32:46
    time and then all of a sudden we started
  • 00:32:48
    seeing some consistency issues and we
  • 00:32:50
    started seeing some quality issues and
  • 00:32:53
    and I became very very worried about
  • 00:32:55
    that because it's like okay I'm building
  • 00:32:56
    my livelihood and my business on this
  • 00:32:58
    coffee and if I can't count on this
  • 00:33:00
    coffee how am I going to count on being
  • 00:33:02
    able to do consistency for my customers
  • 00:33:04
    right right so long story short we
  • 00:33:07
    decided we should start roasting our own
  • 00:33:08
    coffee we literally had that many
  • 00:33:10
    problems with a local rooster that we
  • 00:33:11
    needed to do something and we need to do
  • 00:33:12
    something pretty quickly so in January
  • 00:33:16
    of
  • 00:33:17
    2013 we went shopping for a roster we
  • 00:33:20
    ended up finding this great coffee roter
  • 00:33:22
    out of a company out of Santa Rosa
  • 00:33:25
    California it's a brand new technology
  • 00:33:27
    it's air roast coffee and so we opened
  • 00:33:29
    our air roasted coffee um Roasting
  • 00:33:32
    Company in St Louis here also in the
  • 00:33:34
    city in the neighborhood called the hill
  • 00:33:36
    which is the Italian part of St Louis
  • 00:33:38
    okay and we uh bought a 1950s Warehouse
  • 00:33:41
    that was boarded up and Abandoned and we
  • 00:33:44
    rejuvenated the whole thing and rehabed
  • 00:33:47
    the entire space putting 200 solar
  • 00:33:49
    panels on the roof and we're operating
  • 00:33:52
    the most echo-friendly roasting facility
  • 00:33:54
    in the entire Midwest today that's so
  • 00:33:56
    cool so is the roasting facility The
  • 00:33:58
    Roasting facility is not a coffee shop
  • 00:34:00
    itself well it wasn't initially
  • 00:34:02
    initially it was going to be our
  • 00:34:03
    corporate offices it was going to be a
  • 00:34:05
    coffee roasting facility and it was
  • 00:34:07
    going to be a training Cafe okay uh the
  • 00:34:10
    neighborhood demanded we put a coffee
  • 00:34:12
    shop in and it's like well it's kind of
  • 00:34:14
    off the beaten path and we really don't
  • 00:34:16
    think it's a great retailing space and
  • 00:34:18
    the neighborhood's like there's nothing
  • 00:34:20
    here and we have like 700 homes within
  • 00:34:23
    six blocks of us more than that maybe
  • 00:34:26
    and so they're like you're you're gonna
  • 00:34:28
    put a coffee shop in right so long story
  • 00:34:29
    short our training Cafe became a full
  • 00:34:31
    coffee shop okay so Midway through the
  • 00:34:33
    project we had to stop and go through
  • 00:34:35
    new permitting and new inspections and
  • 00:34:38
    new everything so we opened our roasting
  • 00:34:40
    facility in 1 of July in
  • 00:34:43
    2013 and then in April of 2014 we opened
  • 00:34:47
    Our Cafe so we put a full coffee shop in
  • 00:34:49
    here the neighborhood has been super
  • 00:34:50
    supportive it does very very well the
  • 00:34:53
    neighborhood is always in here it's a
  • 00:34:54
    great space for the neighborhood even
  • 00:34:56
    though we're off the beaten path this
  • 00:34:57
    location does great and we do all of our
  • 00:34:59
    roasting here for all of our stores as
  • 00:35:01
    well as our wholesale customers and so
  • 00:35:04
    that's how this location became about so
  • 00:35:06
    again doesn't wasn't planned it was one
  • 00:35:08
    of those opportunities that presented
  • 00:35:09
    itself and we decided to seize that
  • 00:35:11
    opportunity and move forward so was that
  • 00:35:14
    your third location that was the third
  • 00:35:16
    location that's right so Lafayette
  • 00:35:17
    Square then our downtown location by the
  • 00:35:18
    convention center and then this location
  • 00:35:20
    in our roasting facility and you've got
  • 00:35:22
    four now right now we have four so we
  • 00:35:24
    weren't even open in this location for
  • 00:35:26
    the Third location
  • 00:35:28
    and a company contacted us for an area
  • 00:35:31
    in St Louis called cortex and recently
  • 00:35:34
    St Louis has been dubbed one of the best
  • 00:35:36
    startup communities in the country
  • 00:35:39
    really even better than like Silicon
  • 00:35:40
    Valley and so if you want to do a
  • 00:35:42
    podcast on startups in St Louis there's
  • 00:35:44
    a ton of stuff there a bunch of venture
  • 00:35:46
    capital here St Louis has a thing called
  • 00:35:49
    Arch grants where they're giving people
  • 00:35:51
    $50,000 and all they have to do is they
  • 00:35:53
    have to come to St Louis to run their
  • 00:35:54
    business we'll give you $50,000 you come
  • 00:35:56
    to St Louis and run your business so
  • 00:35:58
    they come to St Louis they get the money
  • 00:36:00
    and they stay hopefully they stay in St
  • 00:36:01
    Louis so great startup Community there's
  • 00:36:04
    a little area by this little store that
  • 00:36:06
    just opened up here in St Louis called
  • 00:36:08
    Ikea just west of there is a place
  • 00:36:10
    called cortex it started about 15 years
  • 00:36:13
    ago as an innovation community and they
  • 00:36:15
    opened one building and I'm not even
  • 00:36:17
    sure if that building ever got fully
  • 00:36:19
    occupied and it just never really went
  • 00:36:20
    anywhere for 15 years and then the last
  • 00:36:23
    two years things have gone nuts over
  • 00:36:25
    there and there's been a company that's
  • 00:36:27
    over developing that area they actually
  • 00:36:29
    had contacted us about putting a coffee
  • 00:36:31
    shop in this building and at the time
  • 00:36:33
    the building had no tenants the building
  • 00:36:35
    had nothing in it they were rehabbing
  • 00:36:37
    this old building that was they used to
  • 00:36:39
    do Bell telephone handsets and so it's
  • 00:36:42
    this you know 1930s 40 Warehouse that's
  • 00:36:45
    completely boarded up and abandoned
  • 00:36:46
    pretty much they go in there they make
  • 00:36:48
    it a completely lead certified building
  • 00:36:50
    they're just getting Construction done
  • 00:36:52
    they have one tenant committed and they
  • 00:36:54
    want us to put a coffee shop off the
  • 00:36:56
    beaten path in this little place that no
  • 00:36:58
    one knows anything about and not
  • 00:37:01
    thinking there was ever a chance in the
  • 00:37:03
    world it would ever happen I pretty much
  • 00:37:05
    said you know what there's just no way
  • 00:37:07
    that that that place can support a
  • 00:37:08
    coffee shop it's it's a block off of any
  • 00:37:10
    road that anybody's G to ever drive by
  • 00:37:12
    and ever see and they had made an
  • 00:37:15
    announcement that Ikea was going to open
  • 00:37:16
    but again still Ikea was opening in kind
  • 00:37:19
    of a desert in St even though it was
  • 00:37:20
    right in the middle of St Louis it still
  • 00:37:22
    was just not a very thriving Metropolis
  • 00:37:24
    at all in that area and long story short
  • 00:37:27
    I just gave him a super lowball number
  • 00:37:29
    and said you know this is the only way
  • 00:37:31
    we can ever make it work on that space
  • 00:37:33
    and 14 months of negotiations we were
  • 00:37:36
    still again we started this negotiation
  • 00:37:38
    before this this store ever opened up 14
  • 00:37:41
    months uh in negotiations we finally
  • 00:37:42
    made a deal and actually moved in that
  • 00:37:44
    space by the time we moved in there
  • 00:37:46
    which was December of this past year so
  • 00:37:48
    just six months ago we moved in there
  • 00:37:50
    was about 450 employees in that building
  • 00:37:54
    and it was fully it was fully leased out
  • 00:37:57
    and another hundred people moved into
  • 00:37:59
    that building so right now there's
  • 00:38:01
    Boeing in that building Washington
  • 00:38:03
    University is in that building AB Mari
  • 00:38:06
    which is a parent company of fleshman's
  • 00:38:08
    yeast is in that building so they have
  • 00:38:09
    their test kitchens in that building
  • 00:38:11
    there's a lot of lab community in there
  • 00:38:14
    cic which is cabridge Innovation Center
  • 00:38:16
    has 250 startups working out of that
  • 00:38:19
    building and then since we moved in tech
  • 00:38:22
    shop I'm not sure if you know what tech
  • 00:38:23
    shop is they're moving in across the
  • 00:38:25
    street so tech shop is very similar to
  • 00:38:28
    like you buy a gym membership you get to
  • 00:38:29
    go in and you get to use the free
  • 00:38:31
    weights and the treadmill and the
  • 00:38:32
    elliptical well this is kind of like a
  • 00:38:36
    gym membership for High-Tech toys and
  • 00:38:39
    electronics I guess and so they have
  • 00:38:41
    plasma cutters and sand blasters and 3D
  • 00:38:44
    printers and C that's a thing that's a
  • 00:38:47
    thing it's called tech shop that's
  • 00:38:49
    amazing you pay a monthly fee like you
  • 00:38:51
    do at the gym and you get to go in and
  • 00:38:53
    use their CAD software and their
  • 00:38:54
    supercomputers you can use their plasma
  • 00:38:56
    cutters and cut things out they have
  • 00:38:58
    water jet Cutters they have 3D printers
  • 00:39:01
    they have these big industrial sewing
  • 00:39:02
    machines that you can go in and dig so
  • 00:39:05
    one of the things about that and I think
  • 00:39:07
    they started in San Francisco is for
  • 00:39:09
    entrepreneurs trying to come up with
  • 00:39:11
    like prototypes and see if things will
  • 00:39:13
    work you know they you can be a member
  • 00:39:15
    of this thing called tech shop and you
  • 00:39:17
    can actually go from concept to
  • 00:39:19
    prototype and like however long you how
  • 00:39:21
    quickly you can do it you have uses of
  • 00:39:23
    million dooll plasma cutters just for a
  • 00:39:25
    monthly fee and so you can go with and
  • 00:39:27
    do whatever you know they have they have
  • 00:39:29
    laser laser etchers that you can use
  • 00:39:31
    they have I mean just all kinds of crazy
  • 00:39:33
    stuff that is amazing I I remember like
  • 00:39:36
    wanting to do wood like woodworking
  • 00:39:39
    projects in college and I think we
  • 00:39:41
    figured out we could take some safety
  • 00:39:43
    class and get access to the the design
  • 00:39:45
    colleges tools and stuff but I was like
  • 00:39:47
    man if you're not a student at a huge
  • 00:39:49
    university how the heck do you get
  • 00:39:51
    access to anything that's it and that's
  • 00:39:54
    exactly companies are and they started
  • 00:39:56
    out like I said in Sam Frisco Silicon
  • 00:39:58
    Valley area and they did it for
  • 00:39:59
    entrepreneurs and and it was just a
  • 00:40:01
    concept that some guy had an idea and it
  • 00:40:03
    it worked and now there's I don't even
  • 00:40:05
    know how many there are around the
  • 00:40:06
    country six or eight of them I think wow
  • 00:40:08
    and St Louis is getting one because
  • 00:40:10
    again it's it's the right now it's the
  • 00:40:12
    center of the startup community and
  • 00:40:13
    there's a a ton of great stuff Happening
  • 00:40:15
    Here in St Louis and so Pandora is in
  • 00:40:18
    the building we're at Uber out of St
  • 00:40:20
    Louis is working out of our building
  • 00:40:21
    there Square the the mobile payment
  • 00:40:24
    company is is in that building so it's
  • 00:40:26
    it's really a great great building now
  • 00:40:28
    and it's completely occupied Tech Shop
  • 00:40:30
    is supposed to be opening up I think in
  • 00:40:31
    the next 90 days I think by August
  • 00:40:33
    they're supposed to be opening up so
  • 00:40:34
    that's right across the street there's
  • 00:40:36
    two more floors of buildings in that
  • 00:40:37
    space and then they're working with
  • 00:40:39
    putting in a a little boutique hotel
  • 00:40:41
    across the street from there and a
  • 00:40:43
    residential just just east of there
  • 00:40:45
    there's a they're putting into a big
  • 00:40:47
    residential Tower I mean so we really
  • 00:40:49
    got in really ahead of the game but it's
  • 00:40:52
    good in that particular location you
  • 00:40:54
    know we talked about food a little bit
  • 00:40:55
    ago one of the deals we had to do is we
  • 00:40:58
    had to serve lunch in that in that
  • 00:40:59
    location okay just because it was such a
  • 00:41:01
    desert I mean there was nothing there
  • 00:41:03
    they had to get in their car and drive a
  • 00:41:04
    half a mile to buy a bottle of water I
  • 00:41:06
    mean there was nothing within walking
  • 00:41:08
    distance at all yeah and so one of the
  • 00:41:10
    deals was we had to do lunch so we
  • 00:41:12
    actually hired a chef have a great lunch
  • 00:41:14
    program at that store and that store is
  • 00:41:16
    doing fantastic it's probably our
  • 00:41:18
    highest volume store right now and all
  • 00:41:20
    is all is going really well there so
  • 00:41:22
    that that new store and again it's a
  • 00:41:24
    super Hightech uh startup community and
  • 00:41:26
    so every one of our stores though
  • 00:41:28
    they're all you know they're all owned
  • 00:41:29
    by me and they're all Park Avenue
  • 00:41:31
    coffees and they're all branded pretty
  • 00:41:32
    much the same each location has its own
  • 00:41:34
    personality so you were in our downtown
  • 00:41:37
    so our first store in Lafayette Square
  • 00:41:38
    is a very small quaint cozy you know you
  • 00:41:43
    know a little bit darker and homey kind
  • 00:41:45
    of feel lots of comfy cozy chairs really
  • 00:41:47
    small and quaint that's the first store
  • 00:41:49
    downtown is kind of like Park Avenue
  • 00:41:51
    coffee went Urban you know it's concrete
  • 00:41:54
    countertops 18 foot ceilings exposed
  • 00:41:57
    concrete pillars exposed brick yeah you
  • 00:42:00
    know so that's kind of like that that
  • 00:42:02
    actually funny story there that is the
  • 00:42:04
    absolute first Loft development that the
  • 00:42:06
    city of St Louis ever approved in the
  • 00:42:08
    city of St Louis really and that was
  • 00:42:11
    done about 17 years ago that was built
  • 00:42:14
    out as a coffee shop 17 years ago before
  • 00:42:17
    it was even cool to be a coffee shop and
  • 00:42:19
    it was in the very first Loft community
  • 00:42:21
    in the St Louis so there's above that
  • 00:42:23
    building there's three there's two
  • 00:42:25
    floors of of business offices
  • 00:42:27
    and then there's floor 3 through 11 are
  • 00:42:31
    residential condos in that building
  • 00:42:32
    downtown so that's kind of like Park
  • 00:42:34
    Avenue coffee gone Urban and then our
  • 00:42:37
    new store the new store in the roasting
  • 00:42:39
    facility again it's a 1950s warehouse
  • 00:42:42
    this entire build was reclaimed we have
  • 00:42:44
    reclaimed wood out of a building here in
  • 00:42:46
    St Louis that was torn down we have
  • 00:42:48
    reclaimed uh light fixtures that we've
  • 00:42:50
    pulled out of places that were being
  • 00:42:52
    torn down we there was a Crestwood Mall
  • 00:42:54
    here in St Louis was a a mall that was
  • 00:42:56
    being de and we bought a bunch of stuff
  • 00:42:58
    from there and reclaimed the front
  • 00:43:00
    counter and so it's all fabricated stuff
  • 00:43:02
    and our our condiment bar where you get
  • 00:43:04
    your cream and sugar is an old clothing
  • 00:43:05
    cart that came out of a a men's Express
  • 00:43:08
    clothing store out of this mall that
  • 00:43:10
    closed up so it's entirely industrial
  • 00:43:13
    lots of the ceilings are all corrugated
  • 00:43:15
    metal the floors are all concrete
  • 00:43:18
    polished concrete floors that are
  • 00:43:19
    original floors that were in the 1950s
  • 00:43:21
    Warehouse when we bought it so this is
  • 00:43:23
    very industrial very much matches the
  • 00:43:26
    space and then our newest store though
  • 00:43:28
    it's an older building it's a high-tech
  • 00:43:29
    business incubator and so that store is
  • 00:43:32
    digital menu boards and super high-tech
  • 00:43:35
    espresso machine and POS system and
  • 00:43:37
    online ordering and very high-tech and
  • 00:43:39
    so each one kind of matches the space I
  • 00:43:41
    think one of the things that's important
  • 00:43:43
    to me is we don't want to be cookie
  • 00:43:44
    cutters for sure because I think
  • 00:43:45
    everything has its own Personality yeah
  • 00:43:47
    but I think the cool thing about Park
  • 00:43:48
    Avenue coffee is you get the same
  • 00:43:50
    quality of service you get the same
  • 00:43:51
    quality of product but these buildings
  • 00:43:54
    were around way longer you know way
  • 00:43:56
    before Park avue was and I feel like
  • 00:43:58
    these buildings we should we should
  • 00:44:00
    represent them versus them trying to
  • 00:44:01
    represent us so let's us fit into them
  • 00:44:04
    because they were here way longer than
  • 00:44:05
    we were and let's make Park Avenue fit
  • 00:44:07
    within the spaces as they are so that's
  • 00:44:09
    kind of the theory so each one has its
  • 00:44:11
    own little personality which is kind of
  • 00:44:12
    nice man I really want to go see that
  • 00:44:14
    third store now there's a tiny little
  • 00:44:17
    Brewery in this this little town called
  • 00:44:19
    Bond Durant which is like 20 minutes
  • 00:44:21
    from where I live and they did the same
  • 00:44:23
    thing it's all reclaimed they like tore
  • 00:44:26
    up the old railroad and so there's like
  • 00:44:27
    railroad tracks and like wood and Slots
  • 00:44:29
    from the railroad in there making all
  • 00:44:31
    the doors and everything it's amazing
  • 00:44:33
    like just got this amazing rustic
  • 00:44:34
    quality I love it yeah well and this
  • 00:44:36
    store here we did you know it's it's a
  • 00:44:39
    The Roasting facility is 5,000 square
  • 00:44:41
    feet and then our baking operation is
  • 00:44:43
    actually the next project we have this
  • 00:44:45
    fall we're moving our baking operation
  • 00:44:47
    into an attached joining building to our
  • 00:44:50
    roasting operations so all of our bakon
  • 00:44:52
    and all of our roasting will be done in
  • 00:44:53
    the same build in the same building now
  • 00:44:55
    so we'll have centralized delivery
  • 00:44:56
    system systems and centralized shipping
  • 00:44:58
    and stuff so that'll be that'll be nice
  • 00:45:00
    Synergy for us to work together and have
  • 00:45:02
    centralized accounting so we can have
  • 00:45:03
    one accounting department all in one
  • 00:45:05
    building and so that'll help us with
  • 00:45:06
    some things but but we did most of the
  • 00:45:09
    work in this space ourselves so we re
  • 00:45:11
    the wood came out of a couple seven
  • 00:45:14
    building which is a building here in St
  • 00:45:15
    Louis the beams that came out of it the
  • 00:45:17
    entire structure of this building was
  • 00:45:19
    seven floors the entire structure was
  • 00:45:21
    wood there was no steel there was no
  • 00:45:23
    concrete every inch of this building was
  • 00:45:25
    built with wood and so the the basement
  • 00:45:28
    beams were 17 in square and 28 ft long
  • 00:45:32
    oh my gosh and so we have those cut down
  • 00:45:35
    and on one entire wall we have this
  • 00:45:37
    whole reclaimed wood wall and the guy
  • 00:45:39
    who reclaimed the wood said that he
  • 00:45:41
    thinks that Wood's probably was about
  • 00:45:43
    150 years old when it was cut down and
  • 00:45:46
    put in that building and that building
  • 00:45:48
    was built 107 years ago so oh my gosh
  • 00:45:51
    somewhere around 250 years old so it's
  • 00:45:53
    probably one of the first buildings in
  • 00:45:55
    St Louis honestly uh were these couples
  • 00:45:57
    buildings and there was a series of nine
  • 00:45:59
    warehouses and most of them have been
  • 00:46:01
    turned into other things today and you
  • 00:46:03
    know businesses there's one that has a
  • 00:46:05
    Weston Hotel occupies part of one of
  • 00:46:07
    them uh there's a bunch of businesses
  • 00:46:09
    and other ones there's some Lofts and
  • 00:46:10
    some of the other ones but there's nine
  • 00:46:11
    of them and and unfortunately one of
  • 00:46:13
    them didn't make it just because it the
  • 00:46:15
    roof had gone bad and and had gone on
  • 00:46:17
    ill repair and the the rooftop units
  • 00:46:20
    actually fell through all the way to the
  • 00:46:22
    basement from the just the wood Rod so
  • 00:46:24
    they were able to reclaim some of the
  • 00:46:25
    wood but the building itself couldn't be
  • 00:46:26
    safe yeah oh man that's so cool though
  • 00:46:29
    like 250 year old buildings yeah it's
  • 00:46:32
    it's yeah well the wood the building
  • 00:46:35
    wasn't that old I guess the wood the
  • 00:46:36
    wood yeah the wood was you know the wood
  • 00:46:38
    was growing here when St Louis was
  • 00:46:39
    founded basically 25 years ago so so I
  • 00:46:43
    got to know like you're running an
  • 00:46:46
    operation that has six different
  • 00:46:48
    buildings now right correct yeah six
  • 00:46:50
    different businesses do you ever get
  • 00:46:51
    overwhelmed just like do you ever wake
  • 00:46:54
    up and just like I am the king of an
  • 00:46:55
    Empire oh no no no that no and I think
  • 00:46:58
    you know people it's funny because
  • 00:47:01
    people say well you know you have all
  • 00:47:01
    these people working for you and we have
  • 00:47:03
    I don't know we have probably close to
  • 00:47:04
    50 employees now or something with all
  • 00:47:06
    of it and I and I still feel like to
  • 00:47:08
    this day I think we I still work for
  • 00:47:10
    each one of them you know um even though
  • 00:47:13
    they're our employees you know and we
  • 00:47:14
    have a great team I mean you know our
  • 00:47:16
    director of operations who is is not an
  • 00:47:18
    owner of the company but is completely
  • 00:47:20
    as committed as I am when it comes to
  • 00:47:22
    this company you know he's putting in as
  • 00:47:23
    many hours as I am and it it's there's
  • 00:47:25
    there's no way I can do this without all
  • 00:47:28
    the people that are here yeah and it's a
  • 00:47:30
    you know I'm running a little coffee
  • 00:47:31
    shop it's what it is you know it's
  • 00:47:33
    nothing more than that it's it's yeah
  • 00:47:34
    there's four of them now and there's a
  • 00:47:36
    roasting facility and but I don't know I
  • 00:47:38
    don't no I never feel like I'm running
  • 00:47:40
    an Empire I think sometimes I feel like
  • 00:47:41
    the Empire is running me yeah but no the
  • 00:47:44
    other way around no and it is it's it
  • 00:47:46
    takes it takes you know they say it
  • 00:47:47
    takes a village or whatever it takes a
  • 00:47:49
    team for sure and this doesn't happen
  • 00:47:51
    like you know doesn't happen uh easily
  • 00:47:54
    and it takes a lot of effort to do that
  • 00:47:56
    and and I think and I think even you
  • 00:47:57
    know to this day I don't do much of the
  • 00:47:59
    day-to-day stuff but yeah still do I
  • 00:48:01
    still try to keep you I was at one of
  • 00:48:03
    our locations I was at our downtown
  • 00:48:04
    location today they got a brand new
  • 00:48:06
    pastry case and we actually got this
  • 00:48:08
    pastry case and we had to uninstall the
  • 00:48:09
    other one and I was down there cleaning
  • 00:48:11
    the pastry case and taking it out and
  • 00:48:13
    and you know it's no different than that
  • 00:48:14
    I mean we it's still all hands on deck
  • 00:48:16
    it's still a small business it still
  • 00:48:18
    takes a lot of effort it still takes a
  • 00:48:20
    lot of time you know I mean most of my
  • 00:48:22
    days I don't start nearly as early as I
  • 00:48:24
    used to when I open the store but I mean
  • 00:48:26
    three days this week I we had catering
  • 00:48:28
    events two days this week and one day I
  • 00:48:29
    was up at four and one day I was up at 5
  • 00:48:31
    for catering events and then you know my
  • 00:48:33
    day normally stops around 8 or nine
  • 00:48:35
    o'clock at night your day so do you take
  • 00:48:40
    weekends or are you working like seven
  • 00:48:41
    days a week it's it's it's pretty much
  • 00:48:44
    seven days a week I I will sneak a day
  • 00:48:46
    here and there like I didn't work this
  • 00:48:48
    past Sunday which is probably the first
  • 00:48:49
    day this year that I didn't work and I
  • 00:48:51
    snuck in and snuck out but I still come
  • 00:48:53
    in for my coffee most days actually
  • 00:48:55
    Sunday was one of the very first days I
  • 00:48:56
    didn't come in for coffee probably if
  • 00:48:58
    I've been in town I bet there's only
  • 00:48:59
    been I bet there's been five days and 10
  • 00:49:02
    years that I haven't been in one of the
  • 00:49:03
    stores getting coffee if nothing more
  • 00:49:05
    than that yeah every day probably five
  • 00:49:08
    times in 10 years that I haven't been I
  • 00:49:10
    mean that yeah and that's the grind so I
  • 00:49:13
    got to ask as the owner of four
  • 00:49:15
    different coffee shops what's your
  • 00:49:16
    favorite way to have your
  • 00:49:18
    coffee so right now and it it's buried
  • 00:49:21
    over the years it's gone it's gone all
  • 00:49:23
    over the place right now I do four shots
  • 00:49:25
    of espresso it's basically Americano so
  • 00:49:27
    four shot Americano 16 o with four shots
  • 00:49:30
    of espresso and then just a just a
  • 00:49:32
    little bit of uh 2% to cool it off so I
  • 00:49:34
    can drink it okay yeah yeah the the
  • 00:49:37
    Heat's always like I just want to drink
  • 00:49:38
    it right away so I can never get like
  • 00:49:40
    the just the coffee because it's always
  • 00:49:41
    too hot right that's that's kind of the
  • 00:49:43
    way I am I want I need my coffee now and
  • 00:49:45
    I don't I don't want it hot so I can
  • 00:49:47
    drink it in an hour I want it so I can
  • 00:49:49
    drink it now yeah exactly so I got to
  • 00:49:51
    say talking to you it it sounds like one
  • 00:49:54
    of your best and most successful
  • 00:49:55
    qualities it just seems like you're
  • 00:49:57
    really really good at adapting to things
  • 00:49:58
    that happen well and I think you have to
  • 00:50:00
    be you know and every day things happen
  • 00:50:03
    you know I mean you know we had an
  • 00:50:05
    employee who had a her father had a
  • 00:50:07
    stroke and you know and another one
  • 00:50:09
    whose family his car broke down and is
  • 00:50:11
    way back from his visiting his family
  • 00:50:12
    and he couldn't make it back to I mean
  • 00:50:14
    so every day is changing and and I think
  • 00:50:16
    the probably the best part of that is
  • 00:50:18
    I'm not the first person they call
  • 00:50:20
    anymore which is kind of nice but it
  • 00:50:23
    gives me a I have a layer of of Defense
  • 00:50:25
    between me and the oh I have to have a
  • 00:50:27
    shift covered but but no it's everything
  • 00:50:29
    adapts everything changes and you know
  • 00:50:31
    thank God we've been we've been super
  • 00:50:33
    successful and all of our stores have
  • 00:50:35
    have been profitable and we haven't had
  • 00:50:36
    any you know downturns really we we were
  • 00:50:39
    kind of Recession Proof you know we
  • 00:50:41
    started in 2006 yeah7 eight n were tough
  • 00:50:44
    times for a lot of businesses and we
  • 00:50:46
    were very fortunate to be able to charge
  • 00:50:47
    right through that and we grew every
  • 00:50:48
    year we never we've never decreased in
  • 00:50:51
    sales every year we've grown and so
  • 00:50:53
    we're very fortunate in that and and I
  • 00:50:55
    think it's one thing that my staff and
  • 00:50:58
    my management team hears from me way
  • 00:51:00
    more than they like to hear is little
  • 00:51:02
    things make big differences yes little
  • 00:51:06
    things absolutely big differences when
  • 00:51:08
    people come in and you greet them as
  • 00:51:10
    soon as they walk through the door and
  • 00:51:12
    the last thing you do before they leave
  • 00:51:13
    is say hey thanks so much for making us
  • 00:51:14
    a part of your morning we'll see you
  • 00:51:15
    tomorrow that's not people you know that
  • 00:51:18
    that those things those make an
  • 00:51:20
    impression on people and the thing that
  • 00:51:21
    you have to understand and I think the
  • 00:51:23
    people a lot of coffee shops didn't make
  • 00:51:25
    it through 2007 n and I think the reason
  • 00:51:28
    that is we've seen a lot of of of
  • 00:51:31
    smaller independent coffee shops but you
  • 00:51:33
    know in the early in the in the early
  • 00:51:35
    2000s late 99 you know 90s and early
  • 00:51:38
    2000s economy was great people had money
  • 00:51:41
    people would buy coffee people would buy
  • 00:51:43
    whatever because the money was good but
  • 00:51:44
    then when things got bad people wouldn't
  • 00:51:47
    buy okay coffee yeah people would
  • 00:51:49
    splurge and buy good coffee because you
  • 00:51:51
    know what they weren't buying a new car
  • 00:51:52
    they weren't buying a new house they may
  • 00:51:54
    not be going on vacation but gosh darn
  • 00:51:56
    it I'm going to treat myself to my
  • 00:51:58
    morning coffee and and we saw that but
  • 00:52:00
    people wouldn't treat themselves to
  • 00:52:02
    morning coffee unless it was good yes it
  • 00:52:04
    was less than good they're like you know
  • 00:52:06
    what that's four bucks that I can save
  • 00:52:07
    and buy something good and so the people
  • 00:52:10
    who didn't do a really good job didn't
  • 00:52:12
    make it through that period of time the
  • 00:52:14
    people who did a good job with what they
  • 00:52:15
    did made it through and it was tough for
  • 00:52:17
    a lot of folks I know we were very very
  • 00:52:19
    fortunate not to be affected by that but
  • 00:52:21
    I think if you did if you did it well
  • 00:52:23
    people came back and one of the things
  • 00:52:25
    today every place on the planet sells
  • 00:52:28
    coffee y I mean every gas station and
  • 00:52:29
    there's some gas stations that are doing
  • 00:52:31
    a pretty decent job with coffee honestly
  • 00:52:33
    you know I sometimes hate to admit that
  • 00:52:35
    but there's some there's some gas
  • 00:52:36
    stations that are really trying to up
  • 00:52:38
    their game when it comes to coffee so
  • 00:52:39
    why do people drive by three gas
  • 00:52:41
    stations that sell okay coffee to come
  • 00:52:43
    visit us and that's what we have to be
  • 00:52:45
    different to everybody else yeah and and
  • 00:52:48
    then by thanking them and like getting
  • 00:52:49
    to know them and like having part of the
  • 00:52:51
    rewards program and you know different
  • 00:52:53
    things and try to get them to come back
  • 00:52:54
    and give them a free drink for their
  • 00:52:56
    birthday and all those little things add
  • 00:52:57
    up to make a big difference yeah I had
  • 00:53:00
    that drilled into my head when I worked
  • 00:53:02
    as an orientation assistant at my
  • 00:53:04
    college my manager boss she was like
  • 00:53:06
    this old lady and she's like every
  • 00:53:08
    little detail counts these people are
  • 00:53:10
    paying to go here for four years and
  • 00:53:13
    you're giving them a tour and you're
  • 00:53:14
    helping them sign up for classes and
  • 00:53:15
    every little tiny detail is gonna matter
  • 00:53:18
    yeah and I'm a perfectionist which is
  • 00:53:20
    even harder and so it's hard to let go
  • 00:53:22
    of a lot of this stuff because I want it
  • 00:53:25
    exactly the way I want it and it's and
  • 00:53:27
    and no one else even no matter how
  • 00:53:30
    committed or how bought in how much Buy
  • 00:53:32
    in you have to work for a company no one
  • 00:53:34
    likes it exactly perfect like you do and
  • 00:53:37
    so there's there's a challenge sometimes
  • 00:53:38
    to step back on that and and and I don't
  • 00:53:40
    spend as much time in our stores as I
  • 00:53:41
    used to and and I was at our downtown
  • 00:53:44
    store today for the first time in quite
  • 00:53:45
    a while and you know overall the store
  • 00:53:47
    looked fantastic but there were a couple
  • 00:53:48
    little things I'm like we need to take
  • 00:53:49
    care of that we need to take care of
  • 00:53:50
    that and don't forget that you know uh
  • 00:53:52
    but overall I mean they're doing a great
  • 00:53:54
    job and we have amazing staff and we
  • 00:53:55
    have great great customers that come in
  • 00:53:57
    and support us you know and just have un
  • 00:54:00
    unconditional support for us and those
  • 00:54:02
    people I had I had coffee with one of
  • 00:54:04
    them last week who's been with us he was
  • 00:54:06
    a customer in that coffee shop before I
  • 00:54:08
    ever owned it and he's still a customer
  • 00:54:09
    today and it's just we have an insanely
  • 00:54:12
    loyal customer base and it's it makes a
  • 00:54:15
    difference makes a difference that is
  • 00:54:17
    awesome so one last question for you I
  • 00:54:19
    want to bring it back to the coffee I
  • 00:54:22
    mean you're not in the stores any
  • 00:54:23
    anymore like Brewing the coffee
  • 00:54:24
    yourselves or or making espresso or
  • 00:54:27
    anything back when you were starting it
  • 00:54:29
    out since your sister hadn't really done
  • 00:54:31
    coffee before was it a process of you
  • 00:54:35
    just kind of trying to teach her the
  • 00:54:37
    coffee the way you liked it or did you
  • 00:54:39
    like test it on customers to kind of get
  • 00:54:41
    a recipe liked the fortunate part about
  • 00:54:44
    that was we had one full-time and two
  • 00:54:46
    part-time employees and the full-time
  • 00:54:48
    employee that we had at the time was
  • 00:54:49
    very very good at what he did and so my
  • 00:54:52
    sister went to work there before we
  • 00:54:54
    owned it before I owned it she went to
  • 00:54:56
    work there and she worked there for a
  • 00:54:57
    month for free she got up every morning
  • 00:55:00
    she went in and she was going to try to
  • 00:55:02
    learn what they did and how they did it
  • 00:55:04
    and and she did and she and she did that
  • 00:55:07
    and then she's like you know what I
  • 00:55:08
    think this is wrong and I think we need
  • 00:55:09
    to fix this and I think this and and
  • 00:55:11
    overall I think we really and I think
  • 00:55:13
    the biggest thing that we really I don't
  • 00:55:15
    think we I don't think we like did
  • 00:55:17
    anything miraculous other than treat
  • 00:55:19
    people fairly give them a good quality
  • 00:55:21
    product for a fair price and be open
  • 00:55:24
    consistent hours I mean and again that
  • 00:55:25
    sounds maybe oversimplified but really
  • 00:55:28
    that's all people want yeah if you can
  • 00:55:31
    provide that and give them great
  • 00:55:33
    customer service you give them no reason
  • 00:55:34
    not to come back and so as long as they
  • 00:55:37
    come back everything is good so yeah she
  • 00:55:39
    didn't drink coffee so that does make it
  • 00:55:40
    a little bit more of a challenge she
  • 00:55:42
    couldn't be the one that like oh I
  • 00:55:43
    tasted that that didn't taste right now
  • 00:55:45
    today she drinks coffee every day I we
  • 00:55:47
    we've converted her to a coffee now but
  • 00:55:50
    but yeah so it it I think again you
  • 00:55:54
    don't have to know everything yourself
  • 00:55:57
    and somebody famous said this saying and
  • 00:55:58
    I'll steal it but I don't know who it
  • 00:56:00
    was to give credit to is like you hire
  • 00:56:02
    people who are smarter than you and let
  • 00:56:05
    them do what they do because they're
  • 00:56:06
    smarter than you don't hire people that
  • 00:56:09
    are smarter than you then tell them what
  • 00:56:10
    to do so you have to hire people so you
  • 00:56:13
    know there's there's three parts of
  • 00:56:15
    being an entrepreneur that you have to
  • 00:56:16
    be successful in business you have to
  • 00:56:17
    have that technician part we talked
  • 00:56:19
    about that person doing the work every
  • 00:56:21
    day you have to have the management
  • 00:56:22
    piece which manages the work and manages
  • 00:56:24
    the schedule and manages the employees
  • 00:56:26
    and manages the production so that the
  • 00:56:28
    the worker can do their job because have
  • 00:56:29
    somebody managing it and then you have
  • 00:56:31
    to have an entrepreneurial piece of that
  • 00:56:33
    which is me which is you know we can do
  • 00:56:35
    it better faster you know quicker
  • 00:56:36
    smarter or whatever and so to keep
  • 00:56:39
    things Innovative and keep things new
  • 00:56:40
    and fresh and not stale and what can we
  • 00:56:42
    do different and how can we make this
  • 00:56:43
    better and look outside the box
  • 00:56:45
    sometimes and say you know what we've
  • 00:56:46
    done like this all along and it's not
  • 00:56:48
    really broken but would it be better to
  • 00:56:49
    do this so on that is this is I think
  • 00:56:54
    that half of what we do today is
  • 00:56:56
    probably been brought on by someone who
  • 00:56:58
    worked with us over the years you know I
  • 00:57:00
    can't look because I one of the things
  • 00:57:02
    that we look at is there's three things
  • 00:57:04
    we look at to make any change in our
  • 00:57:05
    company ever and this goes from the
  • 00:57:07
    person who is packaging our coffee and
  • 00:57:10
    our roasting facility to our director of
  • 00:57:12
    operations who's second in command over
  • 00:57:14
    the entire six companies to my sister
  • 00:57:16
    who now has morphed into running the
  • 00:57:18
    entire baking operation with her and her
  • 00:57:20
    team so she's running the baking
  • 00:57:22
    operation on her own is three things you
  • 00:57:24
    look at when you go to make a change how
  • 00:57:26
    does it affect our customer is the
  • 00:57:28
    process faster is it slower is it more
  • 00:57:31
    cost effective is it less cost effective
  • 00:57:33
    how does it affect the customer that's
  • 00:57:35
    always the first thing we look at can we
  • 00:57:36
    do it faster but yet more efficient or
  • 00:57:39
    slower less how does that affect the
  • 00:57:41
    customer that's number one number two
  • 00:57:43
    thing you look at is how does it affect
  • 00:57:45
    us as a team can we do it easier is it
  • 00:57:48
    less work for us is it more work for us
  • 00:57:50
    is it more time consuming less time
  • 00:57:51
    consuming how does it affect us as a
  • 00:57:52
    team that's the second thing you look at
  • 00:57:55
    and the third thing you look look at is
  • 00:57:56
    how does it affect the bottom line is it
  • 00:57:58
    more expensive to do it this way is it
  • 00:58:00
    less expensive to do it this way can we
  • 00:58:01
    do it more efficiently so we're going to
  • 00:58:03
    save half as much time and spend three
  • 00:58:04
    more pennies what makes sense and if
  • 00:58:07
    those three things make sense obviously
  • 00:58:09
    the first being the customer which all
  • 00:58:10
    goes back it's all about people it's all
  • 00:58:12
    about relationships and it's all about
  • 00:58:13
    customers and second up how does it
  • 00:58:15
    affect us as teammates and team members
  • 00:58:17
    and how does it affect us to doing our
  • 00:58:19
    job and the last thing is how does it
  • 00:58:20
    affect the bottom line so that's
  • 00:58:21
    important but it's obviously not the
  • 00:58:23
    most important yeah if we can we can
  • 00:58:25
    justify those three things of why we
  • 00:58:27
    need to make a change then we make that
  • 00:58:28
    change and that's exactly how we do it
  • 00:58:31
    on everything and anything that we make
  • 00:58:33
    a change on those three things are
  • 00:58:35
    looked at on everything no matter if
  • 00:58:36
    it's the kind of toilet paper that we're
  • 00:58:38
    using in our toilets to the type of hand
  • 00:58:41
    soap that's in the kitchen I mean all of
  • 00:58:44
    those things how does it how does those
  • 00:58:45
    things affect that yeah man I wanted to
  • 00:58:48
    do an episode on coffee but I feel like
  • 00:58:49
    this ended up being like a master class
  • 00:58:51
    on just learning a business in general
  • 00:58:53
    like I think you can apply this to
  • 00:58:55
    everything if you want to do something
  • 00:58:56
    with coffee later we can do that but
  • 00:58:59
    yeah no I don't I didn't really know
  • 00:59:00
    exactly where this was going and it just
  • 00:59:02
    it kind of went where it went and uh and
  • 00:59:03
    if you want to do something differently
  • 00:59:05
    some other time I'd be happy to do it
  • 00:59:06
    actually yeah I mean this was fantastic
  • 00:59:09
    Dale thank you so much for coming to the
  • 00:59:10
    show most guests have their own websites
  • 00:59:13
    and they're doing stuff kind of globally
  • 00:59:14
    I know you're mostly local in St Louis
  • 00:59:17
    so I mean if I've got listeners out in
  • 00:59:18
    St Louis go to Park Avenue is there like
  • 00:59:21
    anywhere online people can follow you or
  • 00:59:23
    if you go to Park Avenue
  • 00:59:25
    coffee.com Park Avenue coffee all
  • 00:59:27
    spelled out.com we sell all of our
  • 00:59:29
    coffee on our website we sell all of our
  • 00:59:31
    gooey butter cakes on our website really
  • 00:59:34
    okay yeah we ship we ship International
  • 00:59:37
    we ship International every week we send
  • 00:59:39
    gooey butter cakes out of the country so
  • 00:59:41
    if I buy myself an espresso machine I
  • 00:59:43
    can buy coffee from you is what you're
  • 00:59:46
    saying absolutely I will I I know this
  • 00:59:48
    guy we can hook you up with some good
  • 00:59:49
    coffee oh man okay and all of our coffee
  • 00:59:52
    is small batch air roasted so it's much
  • 00:59:54
    brighter cleaner crisp per cup of coffee
  • 00:59:57
    that's a whole another episode but air
  • 00:59:59
    roasted coffee is just much cleaner you
  • 01:00:02
    never get that really dark outer you
  • 01:00:04
    know the advantage of going with a
  • 01:00:05
    darker roast in coffee is you pull more
  • 01:00:07
    flavors out of it the downside of a
  • 01:00:08
    traditional coffee roaster the darker
  • 01:00:10
    you go you get that outer ring that's
  • 01:00:12
    very very dark and carbonized on the
  • 01:00:14
    outside and the carbonization gives
  • 01:00:16
    people the taste of bitterness or burnt
  • 01:00:18
    and people don't like dark coffee for
  • 01:00:20
    that reason R roasted coffee you can go
  • 01:00:22
    dark roast you get all the flavors out
  • 01:00:24
    of it without getting that outer burnt
  • 01:00:27
    black it's way way cleaner crisper and
  • 01:00:30
    you never ever get any kind of
  • 01:00:31
    bitterness or burnt out of our coffee
  • 01:00:33
    that's awesome yeah I was I was nerding
  • 01:00:36
    out about this a little bit before I
  • 01:00:38
    emailed you and I ended up watching like
  • 01:00:40
    this 12 minute completely voiceless just
  • 01:00:43
    coffee roasting and Brewing
  • 01:00:45
    demonstration with like all these
  • 01:00:47
    chemistry terms in it and it's like you
  • 01:00:49
    have to wait to the exact perfect moment
  • 01:00:51
    where the water drips through but
  • 01:00:52
    doesn't extract too much yeah it's
  • 01:00:56
    there's definitely some science and and
  • 01:00:58
    you know and it's yeah it's a very
  • 01:01:00
    scientific it's not just say you just
  • 01:01:01
    put water on on coffee and it and it it
  • 01:01:04
    does things but there's definitely
  • 01:01:05
    scientific behind the extraction and the
  • 01:01:08
    air roasting is the same thing there's a
  • 01:01:09
    lot of science behind air roasting and
  • 01:01:12
    again that's a whole another episode we
  • 01:01:13
    could talk about and I'd be happy to do
  • 01:01:15
    that but yeah so it's you know the
  • 01:01:17
    takeaway from this is find something you
  • 01:01:18
    love to do and figure out how to make
  • 01:01:20
    money at it because you know what it
  • 01:01:21
    doesn't matter if you start at 4 in the
  • 01:01:22
    morning and you finish at 9: at night if
  • 01:01:24
    you love every moment of what you're
  • 01:01:26
    doing it doesn't feel like work and if
  • 01:01:28
    it doesn't feel like work it doesn't
  • 01:01:29
    matter that you did it for 15 hours
  • 01:01:31
    today because it wasn't work it was fun
  • 01:01:33
    yes so you had fun for 15 hours a day I
  • 01:01:35
    mean how how lucky am I that I can do
  • 01:01:37
    that for 10 or 15 hours a day and get
  • 01:01:39
    paid for it so awes I agree 100% Dale
  • 01:01:43
    thank you so much for coming to the show
  • 01:01:44
    this has been awesome in my pleasure I
  • 01:01:46
    had a fantastic time and I would love to
  • 01:01:47
    talk again all right guys thanks so much
  • 01:01:50
    for listening to this episode hopefully
  • 01:01:51
    you enjoyed it and learned something
  • 01:01:53
    useful once again if you want to find
  • 01:01:54
    the show notes they are over at cig
  • 01:01:56
    podcast.com find that episode 114 link
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    on the page to find all the resource
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    links that we uh mentioned in this
  • 01:02:02
    episode along with ways to rate and
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    review the podcast on iTunes that
  • 01:02:06
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    it become more visible to more and more
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    favorite tools for being a more
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    effective student you can find those
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    over at college of.com sres ources and
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    that is all I've got for you in this
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    episode so until next week's episode
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    stay
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    [Music]
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    cute
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  • coffee shop
  • entrepreneurship
  • business
  • customer service
  • community engagement
  • St. Louis
  • Park Avenue Coffee
  • gooey buttercake
  • branding
  • expansion