Joe & Tim Dillon Reflect on the Ups and Downs of the 2024 Election

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摘要

TLDRThe discussion revolves around the political scenarios in America, with a particular focus on Kamala Harris, her capabilities, and the political strategies she could adopt. It critiques current political figures, including Trump and Biden, highlighting the constraints faced by Kamala due to her position in the political hierarchy. The conversation emphasizes the importance of oratory skills in politics, praising Bill Clinton's abilities, and contrasts them with Kamala's perceived dependency on prepared speeches. It suggests she should consider a strategy that distances herself from Biden's presidency. Additionally, the dialogue covers the broader political climate, mentioning Trump's 2016 campaign as a rebellion against mainstream Republican frameworks and donors. The conversation also briefly entertains the idea of political candidates being entangled in ideologies and donor influences.

心得

  • 🗣️ Kamala Harris needs stronger public speaking skills for political leadership.
  • 🎩 Bill Clinton is admired for his exceptional speaking abilities.
  • 🤝 Trump ran against major factions within the Republican Party in 2016.
  • 🎭 Kamala Harris needs to distance herself from Biden to establish her own identity.
  • 📢 Public speakers in politics often need prepared scripts.
  • 🏛️ Political figures are often controlled by donor influences and ideological constraints.
  • 🗳️ A better candidate than Walls could have been Josh Shapiro.
  • 🌍 Increasing international tensions are a concern.
  • 🛢️ Energy independence is viewed as beneficial for the U.S.
  • 🕊️ There's a desire for leaders who aim to reduce international conflicts.

时间轴

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The discussion revolves around potential political strategies and criticisms of public figures like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. The speakers suggest that Kamala Harris missed an opportunity to disconnect from certain controversial aspects of the Democratic Party's direction and align more with traditional democratic values, similar to a past moment by Bill Clinton. They argue that by taking a stand against some of the left's ideological extremes and recognizing Trump's impact on mobilizing political passions, Harris could have garnered a broader appeal. They critique Harris's current approach, emphasizing that public speaking and the ability to authentically communicate ideas, like Bill Clinton once did even without a teleprompter, is essential for leadership. Trump's ability to push against his party's traditional foundations is noted as a contrast to Harris's more conventional approach within her party's constraints.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:15:08

    The conversation transitions to critiques of other political figures such as Minnesota's governor and his wife, highlighting issues of authenticity and relatability. The speakers express skepticism about certain politicians' ability to truly represent American values or connect with the populace due to their perceived radicalism or dishonesty. They also reflect on the nature of political power, referencing historical scandals and the personal vices of powerful individuals to illustrate the hidden complexities behind public personas. The dialogue extends to current ideological struggles, focusing on the dangers of censorship and the importance of stopping international conflicts and reducing oil dependency. The overarching theme is a desire for genuine leadership that prioritizes peace and self-sufficiency, echoing frustration with the current political climate.

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视频问答

  • What is the main topic of the discussion?

    The main topic is political leadership and critiques of Kamala Harris's political strategies.

  • What is the opinion about Kamala Harris's public speaking skills?

    The opinion is that Kamala Harris lacks the public speaking skills necessary for effective leadership.

  • How does the speaker view Trump's approach to politics?

    The speaker views Trump as someone who ran against the Republican establishment and power factions in 2016.

  • What qualities does the speaker admire in Bill Clinton?

    The speaker admires Bill Clinton's oratory skills and ability to think on his feet.

  • What criticism is made about mainstream political figures?

    The criticism is that mainstream political figures are often "owned" by donors and adhere to rigid ideologies.

  • What strategy does the speaker suggest Kamala Harris could have adopted against Biden?

    The speaker suggests Kamala Harris could have distanced herself from Biden's presidency and established her own identity.

  • What is the speaker's opinion on the necessity of political scripts?

    The speaker believes political figures need scripts unless they possess exceptional natural oratory skills, like Bill Clinton.

  • Who is mentioned as a potential better candidate than Walls?

    Josh Shapiro is mentioned as a potentially better candidate than Walls.

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    The jogan Experience if the American
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    people can be divided by race that's if
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    he ran on that today he beats everybody
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    best the best speaker that's and the
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    2020 2021 all that stuff and said
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    people of color and minorities and that
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    you know yes we've had a a past that's
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    been terrible but we've made tons of
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    tribal identity if she'd come out and
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    gave some more eloquent version I'm I'm
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    off top of my head of that speech it
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    party went in the wrong direction and by
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    compelling to a lot of people yeah but
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    but she would have to formulate that or
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    someone would have to help her formulate
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    some what I'm saying is you should run
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    for president you should become a
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    Democrat and run on that maybe I am well
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    you probably couldn't become a Democrat
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    you they let you into the Republican not
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    only will they never let me in depending
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    be no I but I I think that was the thing
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    I think Trump ran against the Republican
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    party in 2016 yeah he ran against the
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    bushes he ran against foreign war he ran
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    against big business he ran against
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    every single Republican donor base every
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    he ran against the Chamber of Commerce
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    he ran against all the people the Koch
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    borders he ran against all of those
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    people and you know he ran against major
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    you know major power factions within
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    KLA Harris has refused to do that she
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    didn't repudiate Biden could she though
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    cuz he's still president she's still
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    vice president she would have to she has
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    to throw him right under the bus and say
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    back again in 202 he's an old fool
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    asked me about him I would have said
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    say well what is Biden oh he's sharp as
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    attack now I don't believe youmore but
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    here's the deal the vice president we
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    all know kind of doesn't do anything she
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    should just say that she should go
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    listen the vice president didn't do
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    should say that she should go let's be
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    very honest legislation originat in the
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    House of Representatives the president
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    has an agenda I'm sitting around he's an
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    idiot we let way too many immigrants in
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    the [ __ ] stuff's gone nuts and we got
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    to put some people in jail if they break
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    into your car they steal your phone yeah
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    she should if she said if a Venezuelan
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    steals your phone they go right to jail
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    I would be phone banking for her she
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    hasn't acknowledged his appeal they
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    never give him his due they never give
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    Trump his due how she said in the debate
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    listen Trump you brought a lot of people
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    into politics you've ignited their
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    passions I respect that and you've
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    brought up issues that are important
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    that have been ignored for a long time
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    by both parties but I just think we need
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    to move forward in this election and
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    you're a very entertaining guy it was a
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    ton George D um Bill Clinton said to
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    George HW Bush he goes in the middle of
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    the debate he goes listen we all respect
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    your military service and we respect the
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    sacrifice you made for the country but I
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    think we have to go on another direct
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    like H like HW the older one being like
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    oh it was seething because Clinton had
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    him and said we like what you did but we
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    got to go in this new direction that
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    would be a brilliant move to use against
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    trump it would have been a brilliant
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    move to use against Trump but you're
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    right she can't do it she's owned by
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    donors she's owned by these people and
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    it's unfortunate because had she run
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    against them there might have been a
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    contingent of people that said were they
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    would give her a shot but I think public
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    speaking is a skill there she doesn't
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    have it no it's it's a very particular
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    type of skill so she has one skill and
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    that was in that one speech where she
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    said come say it to my face remember
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    that you got something to say about me
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    say it to my face everybody cheers like
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    oh my God she's going to win like that
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    was there was a moment but that was a
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    really well rehearsed thing that she did
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    and she had excellent timing in that so
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    then all the pressure comes out and then
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    the bumbles and then the interviews and
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    the stumbles and the inability to ask to
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    answer certain questions and then all
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    that stuff so her ability to do that
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    kind of thing is dependent upon a
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    teleprompter and a well rehear speech
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    she doesn't believe in anything outside
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    of her own ambition Bill Clinton did his
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    whole state of the union speech once
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    when the teleprompter went down he did
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    it all off the top of his [ __ ] head
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    was a different thing he was a different
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    thing so a guy like him you don't find
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    those now because they're all [ __ ]
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    hounds and they're hiding right you
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    don't want that [ __ ] job Bill Clinton
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    was around before the internet it was
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    great maybe that's we need to go back to
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    yeah I mean it's like but they cuz she
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    you know it's that again it's that
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    corporate Hollow like speak that no
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    inspires nobody really yeah well the
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    thing that inspires people is she laughs
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    a lot and you know you go girl woman of
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    color all that good stuff she was
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    already you know attorney general
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    already she already had vice president
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    she's she's in very qualified in that
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    regard but yeah what that what Bill
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    Clinton just did that's what we want
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    that's what we need we need an actual
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    leader that I go well that's an
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    exceptional human being the way he talks
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    is better than I can talk better than
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    both of us anyone but the way he's doing
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    it in front of everybody tell you right
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    now it's very very that moment he was
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    the Left Flank of his party I'm sure
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    didn't love that and I'm sure that there
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    were people that criticized him for that
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    but he basically came out and said
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    listen I'm GNA go out here and I'm going
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    to you know take a stance that's going
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    to anger people but I'm going to reach
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    across the aisle and and say you're
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    right this is not moving Us in the right
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    direction I there were moments that she
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    could have done that she chose not to
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    right and I think that's you know again
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    I don't we don't know anything so I
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    don't know if I'm doing a postmortem on
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    her campaign or
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    not but what do you think if you had a
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    BET right now I think it's him now I
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    would I think if he gets Michigan or
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    Pennsylvania it's over and I think is's
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    getting one of them I don't think she
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    gets both of them but I could be totally
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    wrong what do you think Jamie what do
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    you do you want me Jamie make up the
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    results cuz there's been these all these
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    turning points there's been all these
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    ups and downs and yes you know stumbles
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    and recoveries and you know different
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    interviews yeah I'm I'm just [ __ ]
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    there was a time I thought it was
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    definitely her and then there was a time
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    that I thought it was definitely him and
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    then I there was a time I thought it was
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    definitely her and now I think it's him
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    again God I wish I got a chance to
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    interview her you know that one would be
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    interesting what if she changed my mind
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    what if she like in an actual
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    conversation it's cool she could just be
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    herself well here's the thing she would
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    have had to do what Clinton did and she
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    can't do it because they are being held
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    hostage by an ideology that is
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    crippling to to thought right but so
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    wouldn't you want to so a person like
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    that really I'd want to talk to them
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    about stuff outside of being president
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    you know because I think that's when you
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    can find out a lot of [ __ ] about people
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    yeah I think the walls thing was a
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    mistake she she even said that buffoon
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    she chose him when she was sleep
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    deprived of course he's a buffoon but by
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    the way it's a hilarious thing to say of
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    course you can't kick him out either
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    right no you can't say I changed my mind
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    you're fired you should have went with
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    Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania would have
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    been but have been Republicans would
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    have been panicked but do you think that
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    the free palese people would have got
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    upset because Josh Shapiro was Jewish
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    yeah but at the end of the day he would
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    have won he would have won more Jews
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    back he's a better debater and I think
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    he would have been instrumental in PA
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    and I think PA is the bowl game right so
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    I think yes people would not have been
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    happy with his but by the way wals is
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    saying the same stuff so shapir is going
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    Israel's got a right to defend itself
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    and we and it's our big friend and
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    whatever walls is saying the same thing
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    as shapir would have said except he's a
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    goofy guy gu who should be at like a
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    state fair eating hot dogs he's
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    shouldn't be the vice president so if
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    you're going to have that party line
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    because it's the party line no matter
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    what you ask them that's just their
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    party line they go Israel has a right to
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    Def and it's funny if that's going to be
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    the party line have a competent
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    shrewd operator say it and not this
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    buffoon not only that who should be
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    fishing who's been caught lying multiple
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    times he's a pathological liar and he
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    lies about stuff that's not important
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    that's right that no one cares about
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    like you don't have to lie about that
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    you don't have to you're lying because
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    you're your version of the truth is not
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    like what you're giving people is not
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    the truth you're changing the truth and
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    always to make you look better you're a
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    head coach instead of an assistant coach
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    your military rank is better than it is
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    you pretend kind of that you served in
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    war it's a it's a it's
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    a it's a total you
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    know it's it's it's patronized to the
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    American people to just put this guy out
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    there and say he's just like you and
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    he's one of the most radical people I
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    mean he's just not a mainstream guy
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    shapir is much more of a mainstream guy
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    who just happened to be Jewish right and
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    this guy who comes from Minnesota is a
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    very far-left radical guy who again is
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    he he's not Carl Marx but he's nowhere
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    near the main M stream of American
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    politics and they pick him out and they
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    go but he talk he's folky he's got a
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    charm he's a fun guy and but he happens
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    to be a liar and full of [ __ ] and you
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    know his wife when the BLM riots were
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    happening said we just roll down the we
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    just open the windows and smelt the
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    burning tires and really took in the
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    moment Jee that's a quote from his
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    psychotic wife so there Psychopaths they
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    Psychopaths [ __ ] rolling up [ __ ] and we
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    smell the burning ties we just took in
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    the moment that's a quote from Gwen
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    walls good Lord so at the end of the day
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    it's like they're not representative of
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    the American people just because you
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    might bump into them in a state fair
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    they're just broke those two they got
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    they don't have a dollar so that was
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    exciting they're like oh we got this guy
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    who's broke and he was like a coach and
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    he has no money and but he turns out
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    he's a liar and he's you know people
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    don't you know people don't when riots
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    are going on people are not taking in
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    the moment and sniffing the burnt
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    tires this is you know no watch this
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    psychopath let me hear this this is a
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    psychopath say those first days you know
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    when there were riots I could smell the
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    burning
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    tires and
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    um that was that was a very real thing
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    and I kept the windows open for as long
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    as I could because I felt like that was
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    such a touchstone of what was what was
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    happening she's ill she's mentally ill I
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    kep the windows open I got much burning
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    tire smoke in my house in my house so
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    they you can't can we what it's a
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    psychopath and and the Democrats bring
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    her out cuz he goes she's they're
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    teachers and they're broke they're like
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    you I I don't know about that let
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    anybody talk Off Script if they're going
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    to be smart about this in the future you
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    got to put everybody on a script unless
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    you find yourself another Bill Clinton
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    put everybody on [ __ ] God he was good
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    I mean listen pedophile perhaps Epstein
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    friend perhaps human traffic perhaps but
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    God did he talk such good talk god did
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    he talk and then I think it goes back to
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    what we're talking about about like
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    secret societies like they've there's
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    always been these people that were in
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    the White House or wherever these
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    [ __ ] places these people [ __ ] they
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    go crazy behind closed doors and you're
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    just assuming that they're the person
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    they portray themselves on television
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    this button- down person with a suit and
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    tie he's talking to you about the future
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    right and it's that's that is not what's
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    happening that's not what's happening
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    there human beings they have vices they
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    like wild [ __ ] I bet they like power for
  • 00:13:03
    sure otherwise it wouldn't be president
  • 00:13:05
    they like power and they probably are
  • 00:13:07
    into some kinky [ __ ] that they know
  • 00:13:09
    they're not supposed to be doing because
  • 00:13:10
    it's fun for sure that's probably what's
  • 00:13:13
    fun about it you're the president you're
  • 00:13:14
    getting dick like this is crazy in the
  • 00:13:16
    Oval Office crazy think about that yeah
  • 00:13:19
    that's a good point so much fun that's
  • 00:13:21
    probably why Kennedy did it they they
  • 00:13:22
    were out of control just and then all of
  • 00:13:24
    a sudden they can't anymore right so
  • 00:13:26
    it's it's like what huh yeah it's like
  • 00:13:28
    when they said Catholic priests couldn't
  • 00:13:30
    get married anymore like what yeah like
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    Catholic priest used to [ __ ] they used
  • 00:13:34
    to be the rock stars but they were
  • 00:13:36
    [ __ ] too many people yeah but thank
  • 00:13:38
    God after they banned marriage in the
  • 00:13:39
    Catholic Church nothing bad happened
  • 00:13:41
    definitely thank God nothing bad
  • 00:13:43
    happened well you think it's you think
  • 00:13:45
    it's him for sure I do not know I do not
  • 00:13:48
    know Jamie who won you know who had a
  • 00:13:50
    really good post about this Max
  • 00:13:53
    luga he had a really good post he goes
  • 00:13:55
    I'm not voting for Trump because I'm
  • 00:13:56
    voting against all these things he just
  • 00:13:59
    listed like a like a very clear and
  • 00:14:02
    concise list of all the different things
  • 00:14:06
    that are [ __ ] up about the this
  • 00:14:09
    ideology that's being pushed today for
  • 00:14:11
    sure the [ __ ] censorship of it all is
  • 00:14:14
    the thing this the most spooky because
  • 00:14:16
    it's the only thing that's going to keep
  • 00:14:17
    us from working our way out of this
  • 00:14:19
    together that and that and the war yeah
  • 00:14:21
    those two things that and the ratcheting
  • 00:14:23
    up tensions all over the globe yeah is a
  • 00:14:26
    problem yeah well he's the one who's
  • 00:14:28
    saying he's going to try to stop all
  • 00:14:29
    this [ __ ] let's hope and if that if
  • 00:14:32
    that's a reason to vote for someone that
  • 00:14:34
    that should be like the biggest reason
  • 00:14:35
    to vote for someone like get get someone
  • 00:14:37
    who wants to stop people killing people
  • 00:14:39
    number one get us out of these [ __ ]
  • 00:14:41
    International conflicts number two right
  • 00:14:44
    make it so that we have our own oil and
  • 00:14:46
    we have power here we don't have to
  • 00:14:47
    import foreign oil and prop up dictators
  • 00:14:50
    that all would be good all that would
  • 00:14:52
    all that sounds good right you know it's
  • 00:14:54
    like I don't hear the things that people
  • 00:14:56
    keep saying he's
  • 00:14:58
    saying e
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