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good evening
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this week and next we will present a
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black paper on white racism
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frequently the definition and effects of
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racism are greatly misunderstood
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certainly the impact on blacks can only
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be described by us
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an operational definition of individual
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racism is
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subordination of a person or group
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because of race
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but we will focus on the institutional
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practice of racism
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when a group is subordinated by factors
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indirectly related to race
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an example would be a union with all
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white members
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you can only get in the union if a
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member sponsors you
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and automatically whites select one
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another so this pattern of selection
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automatically keeps blacks out
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the union is white in the first place
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because its membership
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reflects the leftover patterns of
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slavery therefore
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racist behavior is both intentional and
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unintentional
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our institutions mostly involve
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unsuspecting individuals
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who are part of a racist pattern all
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definitions
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of black people's standards and values
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have been defined by whites in a society
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basically european as simple as it may
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seem
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we have never made any definition of our
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condition beauty standards
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social etiquette even our names have
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been given us
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by white culture to make an
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authoritative statement of our concept
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of christianity history education
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values and culture war colonialism and
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imperialism
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and psychological development and how
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these institutions
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operate in a white racist society six
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black scholars and philosophers
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have been invited to present positions
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and analyses of these topics
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with me tonight are john henrik clark
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an associate professor of african and
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afro-american history at hunter college
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in new york
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mr clark is also author of 11 books
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including harlem usa
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preston wilcox head of the education
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workshop of the congress of african
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people
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is president of afram associates a black
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educational consultant firm
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and as an outstanding author reverend
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albert clegg is
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pastor of the shrine of the black
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madonna in detroit michigan and an
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advocate of black christian nationalism
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he is author of a soon-to-be published
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book black christian nationalism
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new directions for the black church
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brother clark
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i'd like to begin by establishing some
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kind of a frame of reference
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exactly what are we talking about
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and i think in order to do this i'm
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going to try to dismiss the subject then
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come back to it
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and deal with it there is no such thing
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as a race nature created no races
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man created races racial classifications
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and he had his own reason for doing it
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now
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who benefited from this artificial
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creation
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at first who benefits from it now
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now let's look at the historical roots
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of this whole thing
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and you're not going to understand it
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until you understand the implications
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the far-reaching effects of the opening
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up of the so-called new world
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christopher columbus and other thugs
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coming
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suppressing the um the indians and
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finding a justification for this kind
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of thing let's look at europe in the
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15th
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and the 16th century because racism
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has its roots in that second rise of
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europe
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in the 15th in the 16th century they had
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to justify
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what they were going to do to most of
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mankind
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they were about to take over the whole
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world
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now there's a myth about an argument
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about whether the world was round or
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flat
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that's an old wives tale the european
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had gained
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enough knowledge and had enough guns
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and he had been hungry enough within the
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body of europe
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until he decided that he was going to go
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out and take the world
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be it round our flat now
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in order to understand the religious
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basis of racism we have to go back
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to a papal bull that the pope issued
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in 1455 in an argument between
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portugal and spain he turned to them
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impatiently and said
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you are both authorized to reduce to
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servitude
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all infidel people and it just so
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happens that most of the so-called
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infidels
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were non-european people non-white
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people
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europe not only had its bases
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for racism it had its basis for the
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slave trade
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and the same basis would be good in the
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colonial system
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that followed racism was created
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to justify the slave trade to justify
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the colonial system
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and to justify the up to ruthlessness
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that had to
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go into the making of modern capitalism
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mr wilcox let me begin by suggesting
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that the
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clearest evidence of racism and
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education is the essential control
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over black education both in so-called
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integrated settings and in segregated
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settings
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by white people many of whom are
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incapable of responding to the people
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that are educating as people
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many of whom are incapable of
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understanding the culture and the
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history of the people who are educating
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many of whom really
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do not see any kind of responsibility
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for involving these communities and
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managing their own education the second
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kind of
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aspect is the the ability of white
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communities to keep
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black people out of their communities
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and still
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yet exercise some influence over the
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education
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and black communities that is uh even
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when there's no blacks in the white
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community whites are still
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having some kind of influence over the
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education in black communities
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a third example is the ways way in which
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our schools are organized
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despite the fact that we know we live in
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a racist society the schools
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continue to be organized as though
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racism does not exist
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that is there has been no real shift of
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power within the school there's been no
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effective change in the content uh
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there's been no
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uh forthright recognition of the
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politics involved in in
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education for instance in new york city
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about 55 percent of
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the students are black and puerto rican
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yet we have one
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black and one puerto rican member on a
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school board of five people
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so three white people are making
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decisions that affect 55
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of people who they may not be able to
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respect his people
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reverend clay well i think the the basic
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uh reason or symptom
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or proof for the racism of the
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christian church is the simple fact that
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white people have pretended for so long
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that that jesus was white
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and that they've had the necessity to
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interpret jesus as being white when
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essentially white christianity is
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racially uh
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is historically false and
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theologically absurd and practically in
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terms of its effect on black people
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it's a debasing institution that
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enslaves black people
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i think we have to understand though
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that this we're not making moral
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judgments here any institution that
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exists in any society exists to serve
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the interests of the people who set it
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up
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and christianity uh began as a black
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man's religion it's an african religion
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we have to remember that israel went
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into egypt
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with 70 people and after approximately
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750 years came out with over 2 million
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people
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and hordes of other slaves who came out
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and became also part of the emerging new
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nation of israel
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so israel the biblical israel was a
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black nation an african nation
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that came out of uh of africa
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and kept constant ties with africa and
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so we have to remember then that jesus
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was a
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was a black messiah not a not a white
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messiah and he comes out of the whole
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historical background of of africa
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of african traditions of african history
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of african culture
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the concept of communalism the concept
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of the chosen people
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the concept of kingdom of god on earth
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all these things were
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out of african tradition not out of the
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white man's tradition
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and jesus was essentially a
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revolutionary
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messiah who was trying to lead a black
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people in a revolt
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in a struggle and conflict with a white
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gentile oppressor
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so the whole church has to be viewed
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from the point of view of the white
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oppressor
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the white oppressor has one kind of
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christianity as one kind of church
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the black church has to become
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independent and go back to the historic
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african roots of christianity
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because the slave church that the white
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man set up for black people
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tends to continue the enslavement of
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black people so the black church has to
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become again a revolutionary
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instrument in the hands of black people
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controlled by black people
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fighting as jesus fought for the
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liberation of black people against white
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gentile oppression
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i'd like to continue well from reverend
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klig's
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point and deal briefly with image
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because
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image is the paramount factor in keeping
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racism
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alive now exactly when did the christian
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church
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become um become white in as much as
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christ is
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described in early literature as being
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swarthy and heaven hair like
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sheep's wool and that's surely not a
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caucasian's hair
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um the first image of the church the
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first image of the madonna was
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the black madonnas and these black
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madonnas were very prevalent
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in the churches of europe up until the
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16th and the 17th century
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there was no white madonnas in the
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churches of europe and some of the
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churches of europe to this very day
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have black madonnas all right at what
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point
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did christianity become um all white and
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at what point did christ become
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a blonde blue eyed person that hangs in
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your churches and with a haircut and a
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uniform he'd probably be a good nazi
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all right um one thing the jews seem to
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have forgotten is that
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the pitch of christ as in present-day
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literature is an insult to them
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because there's nothing particularly
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jewish
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about him physically um or otherwise
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all right now another thing we're going
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to have to look at
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seriously is that when the europeans
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projected themselves out into the
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broader world
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they not only colonize most of mankind
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they colonize the teaching of history
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itself
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and gradually so many things black
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became um became white
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i'd like to just say one little word
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about the when did christianity become
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white
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the process uh by which christianity
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became gradually to be interpreted as
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being white began at a very early point
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with
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apostle paul who wrote the epistles of
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the new testament
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and who was even at that time with black
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israel and black jews
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an uncle tom jew uh he was an uncle town
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black jew
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and he wanted to identify with white
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gentile world he prided himself on being
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a pharisee but more
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on being having roman citizenship so as
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soon as he had
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sunstroke on the damascus road and said
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he's been converted
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he started out to take the christianity
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the teachings of jesus to the gentile
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world
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now he could not take the revolutionary
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teachings that jesus had actually taught
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because jesus was a zealot
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and they they were engaged in revolution
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i mean open revolution he was one of the
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the zealot leaders of that time so he
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couldn't take that to the gentile world
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so he had had to make an image a symbol
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out of jesus on the cross which was
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compatible with the heathen symbolism of
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the roman
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and greco-roman heathen world
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so he made jesus a kind of a heathen
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symbol that he could take to the gentile
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world
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and the whole writings of the apostle
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paul tend then
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to destroy the basic uh
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african background of christianity and
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to make it compatible
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with the uh greco-roman heathen world
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so it it began there but the actual
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identification
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of christianity as being a white
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religion didn't really take place until
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the 14th 15th 16th centuries
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when the pictures were being painted uh
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and paid for by the
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catholic church at that point white
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people had decided to declare black
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people inferior
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and so the whole concept of of of jesus
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being black or the madonna being black
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was unacceptable to white people at all
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a whole new type of slavery was
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beginning to emerge
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the old type of slavery in egypt joseph
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was a slave
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who rose to be second only to pharaoh a
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whole different concept to slavery
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you were a slave only in the terms that
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your labor was taken but gradually the
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white man declared that anyone who was
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non-white
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who was enslaved was declared to be
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inferior therefore had a whole different
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kind of existence
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so the whole gradual thing was a part of
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the slavery process that dr clark
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mentioned
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a part of the uh the betrayal of the
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apostle paul
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and a part of the fall of uh jerusalem
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and the fort
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and when jews were scattered all over
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the world we have to remember one thing
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i think it's very important that the
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white jews that we see today
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have no bloodline connection with with
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the jews of the biblical period
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they were converted to judaism in europe
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and in in
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in russia they were converted and have
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no bloodline connection with the black
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jews
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who make up the biblical israel that the
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bible writes about and of which jesus
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was a part well what happened to the
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black jews
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the black jews are still in existence
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they're black jews in america they're
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black jews all over africa they're black
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jews in palestine they're black jews
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everywhere
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diane's daughter complained not not more
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than two years ago
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that black jews had moved on either side
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of her house and therefore her property
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had depreciated
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in palestine black jews had depreciated
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her property
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jews had moved directly from palestine
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to india
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and the community celebrated its uh
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1900th
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anniversary or something and they had
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white jews who had emigrated from europe
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and black jews would originally come
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from jerusalem at the fall of
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jerusalem had an uninterrupted straight
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line of connection from
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the fall of jerusalem to india all over
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the world there are black jews
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but the the zionist jews who had been
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converted to judaism
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have taken over the the control of the
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definition of what
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judaism is that's why people do with
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anything if they come into it they take
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it over and define what it is
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as you state in your introductory
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statement so we have to remember that
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white jews when you see them on the
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street
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are not the jews of the biblical period
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and that sometimes confuses black people
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who ought to be black christian
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nationalism
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one of the things i'm hearing from both
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of the brothers is that
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not only if whites tried to deceive
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blacks about
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uh the realities but they in effect
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deceived each other about the realities
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that is uh i'm sitting here thinking
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about uh the institutions in society all
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of which are racist
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you know which quite created in which
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whites have used in order to advance
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themselves
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but never at any point uh stopping
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recognizing for instance that the
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prisons have nothing to do with
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rehabilitation
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or the courts in most cases really have
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nothing to do with justice what about
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school
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what what specifically is uh is a racist
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pattern
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in your opinion as far as the
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educational process or the schools is
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concerned
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well i would say that the overwhelming
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educational
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process that is racist is a tendency to
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educate people
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against their own interests that is to
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educate black kids to hate themselves
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to educate blacks uh to
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feel alienated from their own people uh
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to educated blacks to
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become advocates for the mainstream
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against their own people how is that
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done specifically
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well i would say that you know the
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traditional educational process is
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number one the concealing of the truth
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about history
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uh the educating of black students away
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from
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the problems of their own community for
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instance very few black students on
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college campuses
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are unable to use their minds to work on
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the problems that bedevil the black
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community
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like sickle cell anemia or the housing
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problems
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the drug problem problems that are
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imposed on the black community by
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by the outside very few black students
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on white campuses or any campus
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are spending their energies and their
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minds on trying to find solutions to
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those problems
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in most cases they're being educated say
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with a drug problem
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learn how to uh use methadone you know
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now look
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let's deal with our own historical
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naivete until we deal with it we're not
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going any place
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black people have no right to expect
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anything from this establishment
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because it wasn't set up for them they
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wasn't brought to this country to be
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given democracy
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it was brought to this country to do
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some work to labor and to obey
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and once the machines made a whole lot
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of these jobs
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obsolete it tended to make a whole lot
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of the people
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obsolete now we keep worrying about the
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american promise in the american dream
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and we forget it wasn't made to us
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the white man has not betrayed anything
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because he didn't promise us anything
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in the um in the first place now
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the role of institutions in a dominant
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in a society
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is to reflect the power that controls
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that society so we have american
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institutions arrayed against us
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and we not even expect these
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institutions to reform themselves
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because if they reform themselves that's
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tantamount to presiding
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over their own demise i'd like to say
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one thing on that i think
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the question you asked is how how do the
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schools
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accomplish this i mean you were
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concerned about the process i think we
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got to understand
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that there's no such thing as objective
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truth which is implicit in in everything
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that
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clark says that white people use the
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institutions
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to accomplish white purpose the white
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purpose is to maintain a power position
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and keep everybody else in a subordinate
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powerless kind of position
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now that's the institution's purpose and
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that's what it's that's the way it
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functions and how it functions
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and we've got to realize that that
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everything that the schools teach
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is designed to fit into that purpose the
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schools
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teach not objective truth but what the
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white man
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wants to project is truth now that's
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from the from the very kindergarten
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right straight on
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for example what uh sociology
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sociology is not a science in the sense
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that it's
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dealing objectively with the way people
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live together it's dealing with the
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white man's pattern of living together
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as the norm
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by which we judge how other people live
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if you live like white people live then
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you're living
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the way you are supposed to live if not
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you're either primitive or insane
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as a people psychologically it's the
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same thing psychology does not deal
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with any uh objective kind of
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discussion or development of how people
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live or analysis of how people
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function as individuals but how does the
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white man function
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if the white man does it this way then
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this is the norm by which we judge
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all other people if the white man is
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violent then actually all people have to
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be violent to be normal
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if you're not violent obviously there's
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something wrong with it you should be in
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an insane asylum
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the whole pattern that's set up as a
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norm for human behavior by psychologists
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all the whole library full of it
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psychiatrists everybody that's dealing
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with it is dealing with it from a white
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point of view
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so they have they teach white children
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black children and white children to
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look to white eyes
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from the kindergarten on the black child
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is beginning to look at the world and
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interpret it through white eyes
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everything he is is wrong everything
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that exists in his community is wrong
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we ought to declare that white music
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really is no good that white psychology
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is no good
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the black the white man either acts like
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we do or he's insane
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white sociology is no good the very
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structure of white society indicates
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that white people obviously
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in social structure are either insane or
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they're abnormal
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so we have to project down a black
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psychology of black sociology or black
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music a black history
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that takes in the realities and that is
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essentially sound
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as opposed to the mythology that the
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white man has developed
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out of his own uh ignorance for one
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thing out of his non-creativity because
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white man has never created anything
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he's stolen things but never created
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anything he cannot
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actually deal with history because
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history is a recital
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of his total failure in his total
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absence of making any genuine
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contributions
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if we define a black psychology of black
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sociology
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uh where will we use these where would
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we
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we'd use them first to unscramble our
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own mixed up minds
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if we could understand that black
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psychology is is is the psychology that
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black man has to have
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if he's going to escape from
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powerlessness in a white man's world
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now the struggle is a struggle between
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black people for power
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and white people to keep power now we
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all we're dealing with is a power
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struggle
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every institution that the white man has
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he uses in this power struggle
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there's nothing wrong with that nothing
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immoral about any people would do that
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when we get on top we're gonna do
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exactly the same thing
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we're gonna use every institution to
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perpetuate black power
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and the white man's gonna have to fight
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up from the bottom again for another you
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know 100 million years trying to get
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back to a position of power
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there's nothing wrong with fighting for
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power but the thing that's wrong is for
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powerless people to accept their
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powerlessness
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and to accept the definition by which
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they are maintained
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powerless and to accept the institutions
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which perpetuate their powerlessness
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so that's why i think the new the black
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church has to become a power base
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for black people and changing this total
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institutional conception
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uh structure that black people are
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living in we've got to use it as a base
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to spin off all the institutions that
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black people need
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that come from a black perspective a
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black orientation and are concerned with
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black power
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as opposed to white power let's go back
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to this value
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and i think we we i don't think we've
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gone over it
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too well um we need to look at what kind
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of societies did black people come out
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of what happened before this
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interference
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now we came out of basic pluralistic
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societies
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but we came out of sharing societies
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where
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nobody was very rich and nobody at all
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was poor
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now an african-american society would no
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more kill a deer and say this is mine
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and he would fly
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because he didn't think that way he
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thought of all poverty
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as belonging to the total community now
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we were brought into a society as slaves
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just at the time the concept of private
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property
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and capitalism was getting well underway
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with the backing of the church
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now there is a clash between the values
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of the
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the best values of the society we came
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out of
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in the society that enslaved us and
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too many of us are tied up with these
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values the sacredness
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of private property what is so sacred
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about private property
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what is so sacred about one man taking
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upon himself
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more than he could use in a lifetime
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while people walking by this mountain of
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wealth
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starving nothing particularly sacred
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about this
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and these things did not exist in these
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old societies
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until these old societies began to have
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internal differences
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and the european came in
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and the african naively permitted him to
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arbitrate an
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african family dispute until we
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understand
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that up on site the african
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invited the european for dinner that's
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the first thing he did
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the indian invited the european for
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dinner the polynesians invited the
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european for dinner
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now if you invite people for dinner
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you first place you've got plenty dinner
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and you have a society that is
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traditionally hospitable to strangers
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the indians invited christopher columbus
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for dinner
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the first thing they did all right
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now let's look at what was happening
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inside of christopher columbus's mind
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and we can go to his own diary for this
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he said i wonder why they're so friendly
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they'll be easier to conquer
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than i thought they would be i wonder
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why they're bringing such small amounts
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of gold
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i wonder where the minds are his
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intentions were not
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good it wasn't good then
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the intentions are not good now and the
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black man
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is still hung up with this dinner
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invitation
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this kindness with the thought that if
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you create a create
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treat a person humanely then he would
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accumulate toward you
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black people have not seen white people
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at
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all that is why they can't deal with
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them i won't say one
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but i think we have to be careful black
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people
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we we're too much tied up in this what's
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good
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and what's bad i think what we need to
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begin to look at is what's real
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now i don't care whether it's good or
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bad i just care whether it
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it works whether it doesn't work whether
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it helps black people it doesn't help
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black people
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white people are individualistic white
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people are materialistic
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and i think dyches is absolutely correct
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in the definition of this of black
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civilization african civilization
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communalistic whole concept is different
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but the white man's
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individualism and materialism stems from
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the fact that he comes
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out of a situation a a place where you
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could hardly live
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you know the barren land where you could
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hardly grow no resources
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where they had to fight each other just
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to keep alive and where each person had
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to try to steal all he could to keep
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somebody else from getting it so he
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could stay alive
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now that builds individualism and
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materialism now he didn't have much in
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the way of materialism but he had
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the need the desire so he built ships he
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built guns
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everything in order to take something
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from somebody else now you got to
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realize that the black man came up in
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a different whole different kind of
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environment where there was
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everything that a person needed they
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didn't have to to
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to cheat and lie and steal to get enough
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to eat enough to eat was everywhere
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nobody had to take from somebody else
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all the resources of the world were
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right there in the ground and
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they had everything they didn't need to
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build ships and go conquer someplace
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else
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if if africans build a ship where would
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they go any place they went was worse
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than where they were
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but the white man could build a ship and
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go any place because any place he went
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was better than where he was
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anything that he could take was better
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than what he already had so we're
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dealing with the coaches of two people
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that stem
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from the kind of situation in which they
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live black people today
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are trying to be individualistic and
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materialistic because we are now in a
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slave culture
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the white man has dominated us so
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completely we try to accept his values
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what we've got to do is reject his
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values go back and accept
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the old values that come from africa our
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own historic black values
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and have a black value system that we
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put in opposition to the white man's
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materialistic
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materialism and individualism thank you
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very much gentlemen
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uh this week we have presented a black
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paper on white racism part one
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we have discussed education history
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and christianity and how these
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institutions in a racist pattern
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affect the lives and mentality of black
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people
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next week we'll present part two we will
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deal next week with
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values and culture war colonialism and
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imperialism
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and personality development or
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psychology
