Creating Commercial Magic: How Great Sync Placements Are Made ft. Heather Cook CEO of Freedom Music
Resumen
TLDRIn this episode of 'Selling the Soundtrack', Heather Cook, a prominent figure in music sync licensing, shares her journey in the industry, discussing her experiences with major brands and her own company, Freedom Music Group. With over 20 years of experience, she emphasizes the importance of collaboration, marketing, and understanding the sync landscape for artists. Heather highlights the significance of storytelling in music and offers insights on effectively pitching songs for sync opportunities. She also discusses the Nashville Sync Coalition, a nonprofit organization aimed at educating and building community within the sync industry.
Para llevar
- 🎶 Heather Cook has over 20 years of experience in the music industry.
- 💼 She owns Freedom Music Group, focusing on sync licensing.
- 📈 Marketing is crucial for artists to succeed in sync licensing.
- 🤝 Collaboration with other artists can enhance music quality.
- 🎤 Rock, pop, and hip-hop are the most popular genres for sync.
- 📅 Aim to create at least one song a week for better opportunities.
- 📖 Storytelling in music is essential for effective branding.
- 🌍 The Nashville Sync Coalition supports education and community in sync.
- 📧 Artists should submit clean metadata and a short bio when pitching.
- 🎧 Heather emphasizes the importance of building a personal brand.
Cronología
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The podcast introduces Heather Cook, a veteran in the music sync licensing industry with over 20 years of experience. She owns Freedom Music Group and has worked with major brands like Apple and Nike. Heather is also an accomplished singer, songwriter, and author of 'Music for Marketing and Brands'.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Heather shares her early journey in music, starting with playing the violin at age 8 and later exploring other instruments. She faced challenges in defining her sound and eventually pursued a music business degree at Belmont University, where she began managing artists and gaining industry experience.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
After graduating, Heather started her first company, Cooking Up Music, focusing on music publishing and artist management. She gained valuable connections and experience, which led her to a position at Peer Music, where she worked in the sync department and learned the intricacies of music licensing.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
At Peer Music, Heather oversaw a sync rep program and helped artists land placements in various media. She shares a pivotal moment when one of her managed artists, Emily Reed, was offered a writing opportunity with Disney, marking a significant breakthrough in her career.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Heather discusses her transition from Peer Music to Eternal Music Group, where she produced albums for a music library. She emphasizes the importance of collaboration and how her experiences at both companies shaped her career and artistic direction.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
After facing health challenges, including chronic pain and surgeries, Heather found renewed energy and creativity, leading her to write over 100 songs during the pandemic. She launched her artist project, Brewster, and began releasing music that reflects her rock influences.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Heather shares her experiences with her new company, Freedom Music Group, which she started in December. She has signed over 100 writers and producers, emphasizing the importance of building a supportive community and fostering collaboration among artists.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
The conversation shifts to the importance of marketing in the music industry. Heather advises artists to actively promote themselves and their music, highlighting the need for a strong online presence and storytelling to attract music supervisors and brands.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
Heather discusses the genres that are most successful in sync licensing, noting that rock, pop, and hip-hop dominate the market. She also mentions the growing interest in Latin music and the challenges of placing country music in advertising due to its storytelling nature.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Heather provides tips for aspiring musicians, emphasizing the importance of honing their craft, collaborating with others, and setting realistic goals for songwriting. She encourages artists to be proactive in their marketing efforts and to continuously create music.
- 00:50:00 - 00:56:16
The podcast concludes with Heather sharing her contact information and the launch of Nashville Sync, a nonprofit organization aimed at educating and connecting music professionals in the sync licensing industry.
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Vídeo de preguntas y respuestas
What is sync licensing?
Sync licensing is the process of licensing music for use in visual media such as films, TV shows, commercials, and video games.
How can artists get their music placed in sync opportunities?
Artists should focus on creating high-quality music, collaborating with others, and effectively marketing themselves to music supervisors and brands.
What genres are most popular for sync licensing?
The most popular genres for sync licensing are rock, pop, and hip-hop.
What should artists include when submitting their music for sync opportunities?
Artists should include a few songs, a clean metadata, a short bio, and a link to their music, preferably through a streaming service.
How important is marketing for musicians in the sync space?
Marketing is crucial as it helps to build an artist's brand and makes it easier for music supervisors to connect with their music.
What is the role of a music supervisor?
A music supervisor is responsible for selecting and licensing music for visual media, ensuring it fits the project's needs.
How often should artists aim to create new music?
Aiming to create at least one song a week or around 100 songs a year is a good goal for artists in the sync space.
What is the significance of storytelling in music for sync licensing?
Storytelling in music helps convey the right message and emotion that aligns with the brand's goals in advertising.
What is the Nashville Sync Coalition?
The Nashville Sync Coalition is a nonprofit organization aimed at building community and providing education for sync executives and artists in Nashville.
How can artists connect with Heather Cook?
Artists can connect with Heather through her company website Freedom Music Group or her personal website.
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- 00:00:00welcome to selling the soundtrack your
- 00:00:01go-to pod for Everything music sync
- 00:00:03licensing if you're already making
- 00:00:05bangers your music could be making you
- 00:00:07bank today we're here with Heather cook
- 00:00:09she is legendary in the industry she's
- 00:00:11been working in the music business for
- 00:00:13over 20 years she owns her own company
- 00:00:16Freedom music group which is a sync
- 00:00:17repap company and she's also worked in
- 00:00:19the sync departments at peer music and
- 00:00:21eternal music she has her own book
- 00:00:24called music for marketing and Brands
- 00:00:27which is available for purchase on her
- 00:00:28website she has big placements ranging
- 00:00:31from Apple to Target to Nike and so much
- 00:00:34more she's also a singer a songwriter um
- 00:00:39she's a director for documentary she's a
- 00:00:41mom she's a wife she likes to keep
- 00:00:43herself busy thanks so much for being
- 00:00:45here Heather thank you for having me
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- 00:01:22for 20% off Heather please share your
- 00:01:25journey with us oh boy that's a big
- 00:01:27question I know I want to hear all of it
- 00:01:30um yeah so I'll I'll I mean kind I'll
- 00:01:32just start at the beginning um I started
- 00:01:34writing and creating music when I was
- 00:01:36like 8 n years old and so I started
- 00:01:40playing violin was my first instrument
- 00:01:42and I played an orchestra as a kid um I
- 00:01:44also played cello and that was the first
- 00:01:47times that I was like oh man I really
- 00:01:50love music I want to create music and we
- 00:01:53had a piano in the house and I would
- 00:01:55Tinker on it and I would figure out
- 00:01:56Melodies and stuff but we couldn't
- 00:01:58afford to pay for piano lessons so um
- 00:02:01there was one instrument I wanted to
- 00:02:03learn I finally have learned it recently
- 00:02:05so yeah so I have guitar piano um and I
- 00:02:08haven't played violin and Cho in a while
- 00:02:10but um so from a very young age I just
- 00:02:13was like loved music I sang in a gospel
- 00:02:15choir in high school um you know and you
- 00:02:19know as a at a young age I I aspired to
- 00:02:22be an artist like a lot of young folks
- 00:02:25and um at that time it was a long time
- 00:02:28ago was before social media was a big
- 00:02:31thing um my space came out a few years
- 00:02:34after I was starting to try to be in the
- 00:02:36music space and I was I grew up in
- 00:02:39Newport Massachusetts and I had moved to
- 00:02:42Boston and I was studying at a tiny
- 00:02:44little music school called The Voice
- 00:02:46studio and I had a producer and you know
- 00:02:50kind of a shady guy in the business not
- 00:02:53the best experience but an experience um
- 00:02:56and he he was working with guys like
- 00:02:58Denny Diaz from stey d and Denny was
- 00:03:00interested in my songs and cutting them
- 00:03:02on artist and Dinky Dawson who was a
- 00:03:05road warrior with Fleetwood Mac and the
- 00:03:06birds back in the day and he was a sound
- 00:03:08engineer for live sound and so they you
- 00:03:11know he was in the studio with my old
- 00:03:12producer and you know they were helping
- 00:03:15me figure out who I was as an artist and
- 00:03:16I never could figure that out so in my
- 00:03:18early 20s I was really like banging my
- 00:03:20head against the wall for a long time
- 00:03:21and just trying to figure out where you
- 00:03:22know what's my sound what should I do
- 00:03:25and then I heard about Belmont
- 00:03:26University down here in Nashville and so
- 00:03:28I got in there and I was older when I
- 00:03:30got into the into Belmont so I was like
- 00:03:33the big sister at school so a lot of my
- 00:03:35classmates would ask me to help them
- 00:03:37manage their projects um or or an album
- 00:03:40release or help them set up a show and
- 00:03:43so I really and I I had office
- 00:03:46experience cuz I had a day job I had to
- 00:03:48pay the bills so I was working as
- 00:03:50working as a bookkeeper and going to
- 00:03:53open mic nights and you know saving as
- 00:03:55much money as I could for music lessons
- 00:03:58and studio time and just doing what I
- 00:04:00could and so um you know I finished um I
- 00:04:04finished my undergrad in music business
- 00:04:05at Belmont and when I was a senior there
- 00:04:08by that time I was married with a
- 00:04:10one-year-old and so I was graduating I
- 00:04:13had started my first company which was
- 00:04:15called cooking up music um music
- 00:04:18publishing and artist management and so
- 00:04:20I ran that for three years and I had a
- 00:04:23number of great talented artists I got
- 00:04:25to work with like Big Vinnie and Emily
- 00:04:27Reed and Simone simonon and they were
- 00:04:30all doing really great things on their
- 00:04:31own and I was just trying to help
- 00:04:34Elevate that and Pitch songs and at the
- 00:04:36time I was pitching to artist country
- 00:04:37artist on the row um and Rich Redmond
- 00:04:40who plays for Jason Aldine who he was a
- 00:04:42friend of mine through my friend Cindy
- 00:04:44Kaza and he was like you know when you
- 00:04:47start your company you can pitch songs
- 00:04:48to me and he was one of the first people
- 00:04:50that gave me kind of that in indoor to
- 00:04:53pitching to people in the business um as
- 00:04:56well as a couple of other folks so there
- 00:04:57were a lot of people that were super
- 00:05:00supportive and helpful and you know
- 00:05:02having that education at Belmont was
- 00:05:03huge because you do an internship and
- 00:05:06you're in the door like that I had every
- 00:05:08internship I did they were like
- 00:05:10internship is the way in really I mean
- 00:05:13if you're going to be on the business
- 00:05:14side you have to have that hands-on
- 00:05:15experience and the only way to get it is
- 00:05:17through an internship um and so I went
- 00:05:21from there um and i' started my company
- 00:05:24and I was also serving as um I was
- 00:05:27volunteering for the asso ation of
- 00:05:30independent music Publishers aim
- 00:05:32Nashville which was very new at the time
- 00:05:34here in Nashville so they had branches
- 00:05:36in New York and la and so I got to help
- 00:05:39be a part of setting up aim when it got
- 00:05:41started here um and the woman was who
- 00:05:44was the executive administrator left and
- 00:05:47she's like you need to take my position
- 00:05:49and so I added that on to what I was
- 00:05:51doing at my
- 00:05:52company and so I was sitting at the
- 00:05:55board in the boardroom at the table with
- 00:05:58all the major IND Publishers in
- 00:06:00Nashville and helping facilitate put on
- 00:06:03part I was putting on parties basically
- 00:06:05I was putting on hosting panels um and
- 00:06:07hosting events um for the publishing
- 00:06:10music publishing world and the um the
- 00:06:15executive of that board was um Kevin
- 00:06:19lamb and he was the president of pure
- 00:06:21music at the time and we were hosting
- 00:06:24event one night we were at ASCAP
- 00:06:25actually and he was like if you didn't
- 00:06:27know if you didn't own your own company
- 00:06:29I would hire you I have a position open
- 00:06:32and um and so I was like well as a
- 00:06:35matter of fact my company is kind of
- 00:06:38schism I had a number of artists who
- 00:06:40were going in different directions and
- 00:06:43one was moving to Canada one was not
- 00:06:46sure if she wanted to do the writing
- 00:06:48thing anymore she wanted to get back on
- 00:06:49the road and drum and I was like I get
- 00:06:51it you know like everybody was kind of
- 00:06:53going in the different direction and so
- 00:06:56it was really perfect timing when Pier
- 00:06:58music came along
- 00:07:00and so I ended up I was able to bring
- 00:07:02some of my artist with me and so I
- 00:07:05closed down shop with with my company
- 00:07:08and I said listen guys I'm going to Pi
- 00:07:10music um and so they hired me at the
- 00:07:13time I was creative manager in the syn
- 00:07:15ad department and so that was back in
- 00:07:192013 um so by this time now I had
- 00:07:23started to get into the sync world when
- 00:07:25I was running my company um had one
- 00:07:29particular artist I managed Emily Reed
- 00:07:31who's really talented she's still out
- 00:07:33there crushing it and doing her own
- 00:07:35thing and she's amazing go look her up
- 00:07:37um but she and I I was managing her um
- 00:07:41helping her with her first project which
- 00:07:43was more an indie ult kind of folk thing
- 00:07:47and it was perfect for the sink space
- 00:07:49and so um I had actually invested about
- 00:07:53$5,000 of my own money to host a
- 00:07:56showcase at the Nashville Film Festival
- 00:07:59okay and I had her and then I had three
- 00:08:02other bands playing um I think I I can't
- 00:08:06remember what venue we were at down town
- 00:08:07I don't think the venue is here anymore
- 00:08:09but great venue um I had a bunch of
- 00:08:12sponsors I had Whole Food sponsoring and
- 00:08:15so they put the food spread out and I
- 00:08:17had other people sponsoring to be a part
- 00:08:18of it and she blew away the music
- 00:08:22supervisors who were there and one in
- 00:08:24particular um Steph Vincent who is the
- 00:08:27head of music for Disney came up to me
- 00:08:30and he said I love Emily would she like
- 00:08:33to write for Disney and it was one of
- 00:08:36those moments where I was like oh my God
- 00:08:38everything just changed what this is my
- 00:08:41break it moment this is it I'm like this
- 00:08:43is it and it it was like yeah like this
- 00:08:45was like that moment and I brought Emily
- 00:08:49over and I was like this is Stephen she
- 00:08:50didn't know what was going on I'm like
- 00:08:51Stephen want is interested in you
- 00:08:53writing some music for Disney and she
- 00:08:55was just like what like what's happening
- 00:08:59like oh my gosh okay and I at the moment
- 00:09:01I told him I said we're going to be in
- 00:09:03La I'd love to come stop by we didn't
- 00:09:05have a trip plann for La was just like
- 00:09:08I'm going to make a trip um so I said
- 00:09:11when we're in La we should come stop by
- 00:09:13and so we did we I Emily and I like
- 00:09:16booked a ticket almost immediately and
- 00:09:18had a couple of her band mates come to
- 00:09:19LA and we went to the Disney offices
- 00:09:23which was amazing and she sang a few
- 00:09:25songs in the conference room and he's
- 00:09:28like yeah of course you're great like I
- 00:09:30said you know i' like to to write for
- 00:09:32Disney and so she ended up writing with
- 00:09:34one of his writers and that particular
- 00:09:38song She Wrote is called two in a
- 00:09:39million and it took a couple years to
- 00:09:41place but it was in the season finale
- 00:09:44for Austin and Ally so it ended up
- 00:09:46Landing it just took a while but it was
- 00:09:49still like wow this was such a huge
- 00:09:52opportunity 100% um at the time the the
- 00:09:56timing was interesting so it was leading
- 00:09:59up to when she was getting ready to move
- 00:10:01to Canada and I was like I I can't
- 00:10:03manage you from Canada like I live here
- 00:10:05in Nashville I don't know that market
- 00:10:07like I it might be best if you we go in
- 00:10:10a different direction and it was a
- 00:10:12really hard decision because we just had
- 00:10:14this thing happen but it was one of
- 00:10:16those things that like it's sit and
- 00:10:17weight too so you have to just like okay
- 00:10:20well where do I place my energy and
- 00:10:22what's going to help both of us right
- 00:10:24now and so we shifted our relationship
- 00:10:27to where I was repping her at Pier for a
- 00:10:29period of time okay and so I had and so
- 00:10:32that that thing happened with stevenh
- 00:10:34and then I went right to Pier so you
- 00:10:37know everything happens for a reason you
- 00:10:40know like if I had stayed I wouldn't
- 00:10:41have learned everything I learned at
- 00:10:42Pier um so yeah so I went on to here and
- 00:10:46um and then I started Landing a bunch of
- 00:10:49I landed stuff on my own um but then I
- 00:10:51was supporting my boss there is Craig
- 00:10:54Courier and Craig's been doing this for
- 00:10:5630 years he's been in the sink bit he's
- 00:10:58the OG
- 00:11:00of s advertising like I'm just like I
- 00:11:02learned everything I know from him truly
- 00:11:05like everything I'm able to do today is
- 00:11:08because of him and the experience that I
- 00:11:10had at perer music like um being on the
- 00:11:13sync team perer music's a global
- 00:11:16independent music
- 00:11:17publisher they're they've been around
- 00:11:20for almost a 100 years now they have 36
- 00:11:22offices worldwide they have millions of
- 00:11:24copyrights just
- 00:11:26amazing um and while I was there I got
- 00:11:29to um oversee the sink rep program and
- 00:11:33we had about worldwide we had about 200
- 00:11:36something artist on that Pro in that
- 00:11:39program okay and the idea was to sign
- 00:11:42them to a SN representation deal and
- 00:11:44then push them into a publishing deal
- 00:11:46once they were Landing placements and we
- 00:11:48had a number of artists that we did that
- 00:11:51with Craig initially did that with a B
- 00:11:53with a band called family of the year
- 00:11:55and they landed their song Hero on in a
- 00:11:58the movie um Boyhood which was huge um
- 00:12:04and so yeah so I got to be a part of
- 00:12:07working with some wildly Talent some of
- 00:12:09the most successful think people in the
- 00:12:11business um you know some of the names
- 00:12:13that you hear regularly I got to be
- 00:12:16behind the scenes and working with them
- 00:12:18so just learning so much in that time
- 00:12:21and um and so while I was there kind of
- 00:12:25like at the end like the last couple
- 00:12:27years cuz I was there for 10 years MH
- 00:12:29almost 10 years like nine years and
- 00:12:30eight months or something um and a
- 00:12:34couple of my one of my writers started
- 00:12:36pulling me out of the writer closet
- 00:12:38Jasmine Ash and she was like you need to
- 00:12:40write again you need to sing again like
- 00:12:43don't put this away anymore cuz the
- 00:12:45advice I was given back when I started
- 00:12:46my first business was if you're on the
- 00:12:48business side you're not a musician
- 00:12:50anymore put that away you don't talk
- 00:12:52about it you don't tell anybody like you
- 00:12:54just and really like at the time I
- 00:12:56didn't have much to speak for I was like
- 00:12:58well there's nothing anyway so yeah I'm
- 00:13:00fine with that like I didn't I had never
- 00:13:01figured my sound out back then so there
- 00:13:03was nothing to really hold on to
- 00:13:06honestly um and so at the time when that
- 00:13:09happened Jasmine and I started writing
- 00:13:11together there was something Welling
- 00:13:13inside that was there and I had tons of
- 00:13:16songs that I was like writing and
- 00:13:18Melodies I was coming up with and she
- 00:13:21helped me kind of hone it in a bit and
- 00:13:22just like okay well what you know let's
- 00:13:24package it like this yeah um and then
- 00:13:27the pandemic hit mhm and in the world
- 00:13:30fell apart and then um I have um I have
- 00:13:35degenera dis disease in my spine and
- 00:13:37stenosis and I've dealt with chronic um
- 00:13:40physical pain back pain for about 15
- 00:13:42years so most of my career I've dealt
- 00:13:44with physical pain and battling against
- 00:13:47that and so it's limited me right and so
- 00:13:51I you know peer was there for me in that
- 00:13:54time where I had a really great position
- 00:13:57in the industry it made it easy for me
- 00:13:59to go home at night to be with my family
- 00:14:00and my kids my husband um it made it
- 00:14:04easy for me to take care of myself
- 00:14:05physically as far as like you know
- 00:14:07dealing with things that would happen um
- 00:14:11you know cuz I had three surgeries and
- 00:14:14so the last one I had was just after
- 00:14:16covid maybe a year after Co I had my L4
- 00:14:19and L5 completely
- 00:14:21ruptured and um I was in a wheelchair
- 00:14:24for 2 months I was bedridden for two
- 00:14:26months almost 3 months I couldn't walk
- 00:14:29so painful and I had my L4 and L5
- 00:14:33completely replaced I had um artificial
- 00:14:35disc replacement which is pioneering
- 00:14:37surgery um Dr Blumenthal was my doctor
- 00:14:40in Texas I have to give him a shout out
- 00:14:41because he transformed my life truly
- 00:14:43like the pain that I was in was so
- 00:14:46debilitating and then when I wasn't in
- 00:14:48that pain anymore it was like the
- 00:14:49floodgates were freaking open and I was
- 00:14:52like watch out he to Bar the door I
- 00:14:54couldn't stop writing I couldn't like oh
- 00:14:56my God I got to do more like I had so
- 00:14:58much energy threshold is just so much
- 00:14:59higher it just went like through the
- 00:15:01roof and so um I wrote over 100 songs a
- 00:15:05bunch of them I still need to record
- 00:15:07like there's their ideas are ready to go
- 00:15:09and finish others have been recorded and
- 00:15:11released others have been recorded by me
- 00:15:13for my project um so I have my my artist
- 00:15:16project is Brewster be I'm a rock artist
- 00:15:19I'm like a female Imagine Dragons and um
- 00:15:23I love your stff on Spotify oh thank
- 00:15:25you thank you um so yeah so
- 00:15:29um you know when that happened where I
- 00:15:32was at Pier and like wanting to write
- 00:15:34again that wasn't my purpose at Pier and
- 00:15:36that that space wasn't meant for me to
- 00:15:38to thrive in that way and so I needed to
- 00:15:40move on to be able to to experience that
- 00:15:42and I was there for 10 years that's like
- 00:15:44a that's like a good chunk of your life
- 00:15:46huge part of my life I did my I did my
- 00:15:48thing I did my thing um and then I went
- 00:15:51on to a company called um Eternal music
- 00:15:53group um run by three trailer music
- 00:15:56supervisors who I love more Deval
- 00:15:57Griffin Todrick balang and N sha shout
- 00:16:00out shout out oh shout out shout out I
- 00:16:02love them I love them they they're some
- 00:16:04they were the most talented trailer
- 00:16:06producers in the business and um you
- 00:16:09know and their their model was U music
- 00:16:11library which is really different it's a
- 00:16:14different um kind of business philosophy
- 00:16:17um and so they needed me to help with
- 00:16:20producing albums for um their Library
- 00:16:23which I got to do which was fun because
- 00:16:25I get to now I get to strut my stuff as
- 00:16:27an executive producer toally I just got
- 00:16:29my certificate music production from
- 00:16:31Berkeley I'm like all right I'm going to
- 00:16:33strut what I've learned test things out
- 00:16:35here and so I had five albums I finished
- 00:16:38I had another four in the can that were
- 00:16:40going to be finished by the time I left
- 00:16:41I spent a year there and again it was a
- 00:16:43great experience the coolest thing with
- 00:16:45them was when I interviewed with them I
- 00:16:46was like Hey I want to do my music again
- 00:16:49and like I want to produce and write and
- 00:16:50they were like go for it we'll help you
- 00:16:52release it like I I I say like pure
- 00:16:56music were my teachers Eternal music
- 00:16:58were my I and they both gave me those
- 00:17:00wings to fly to do it what I'm doing now
- 00:17:03they I needed both of them I needed all
- 00:17:05of the experience I had with them to
- 00:17:08help me get to this place today and I
- 00:17:09just like oh such gratitude to both um
- 00:17:12both of those experiences so um so yeah
- 00:17:16again it was like time to go time to fly
- 00:17:18and I had artists asking me to rep them
- 00:17:20and I have for years like I mean even
- 00:17:23when I was at Pier people were like can
- 00:17:24you just sink rep me I'm like well I
- 00:17:26work for pier you I can rep you at Pier
- 00:17:28right um and at Eternal you know write
- 00:17:31you know signing them to writer deals
- 00:17:33there and so it made sense for me to go
- 00:17:36out when I did you know that kind of
- 00:17:38writing was on the wall and you know so
- 00:17:41by this time I had released my now I
- 00:17:42released My First Single Supernatural
- 00:17:45and recorded that with this incredible
- 00:17:47producer ellia X um she's awesome she's
- 00:17:51amazing you guys got to check her out
- 00:17:53like oh she was the first person I went
- 00:17:56to cuz I've worked with a lot of
- 00:17:57producers and I've been like I'm trying
- 00:17:59to figure out my sound right and she was
- 00:18:01like you're a rock artist she's like I
- 00:18:02have a track for you I'm like oh my God
- 00:18:05what did I think about this like I've
- 00:18:07never considered that yeah and um where
- 00:18:10were you leaning before like what were
- 00:18:12the options for you I was like singer
- 00:18:14songwriter folk thing interesting cuz
- 00:18:16I'm like well I guess I could do that I
- 00:18:18have a really gritty you can hear it in
- 00:18:19the way I talk too I kind of a gritty
- 00:18:21hired T kind of like it makes sense for
- 00:18:24rock voice it makes sense for rock yeah
- 00:18:27and so that track was fire I was just
- 00:18:30like this is awesome um and it was the
- 00:18:33so the first time we met we went I went
- 00:18:34in the studio with her and she had the
- 00:18:37track I recorded the hook and I was like
- 00:18:38I have a hip-hop artist I know that I
- 00:18:40want to get on this it would be amazing
- 00:18:42Jalissa MH julisa again another artist
- 00:18:47writer producer like she's rapper
- 00:18:50killing it and she's like built her
- 00:18:53social media up she has like 150,000 SP
- 00:18:56Instagram followers so she's so good at
- 00:18:58social media she's so good at it so good
- 00:19:00yeah our Indie artist go follow julisa
- 00:19:02to see what she's doing cuz she's really
- 00:19:04good at what she does but we we came up
- 00:19:06we had this song and I'm like whoa and
- 00:19:08then I had um I had put it into I sent
- 00:19:13it to a music supervisor for sports
- 00:19:18specifically and he's a music supervisor
- 00:19:19for sports but also music marketer and
- 00:19:22so you're hiring him on retainer and his
- 00:19:24name is John Adams he's at the score um
- 00:19:26he's a huge hug huge supporter of my
- 00:19:29music and me as an artist and when I
- 00:19:32sent him this song he was like oh my God
- 00:19:34this is so good so that's so nice um so
- 00:19:37my first and my second single my second
- 00:19:39single is heading for the top which I
- 00:19:41wrote co-wrote with producer FEMA so it
- 00:19:45was really important to me to find women
- 00:19:47producers I want to work with as many
- 00:19:49women producers as I can totally it's a
- 00:19:51different vibe also working with other
- 00:19:53women it really is and just having that
- 00:19:56right communication that we like get
- 00:19:58each other in a way that is authentic
- 00:20:01and very real and comfortable and safe
- 00:20:05safe F help me with heading for the top
- 00:20:08and those two singles my first two
- 00:20:10singles have thousands of streams now
- 00:20:12they've been playlisted 130 times
- 00:20:14they're playing in 20 Sports Arenas
- 00:20:17congrats they um athletes unlimited was
- 00:20:20was you licensed it in their entire
- 00:20:23basketball season they made it their
- 00:20:25they use it in all their promos it was
- 00:20:27their song of the season um Orlando
- 00:20:30Pride women's pro soccer team is
- 00:20:31licensed it I have other folks
- 00:20:33interested so I have two songs out and
- 00:20:36I've already done all of this I'm like
- 00:20:38why didn't I do this sooner you should
- 00:20:39have yeah the timings everything it was
- 00:20:41the right time to do it and so my next
- 00:20:46single is coming out at the end of this
- 00:20:48month on the 30th um future is here cool
- 00:20:53Co is what that's called and that one I
- 00:20:55produ I co-wrote it and it was produced
- 00:20:57by Steve Vince Steve Vito excuse me I
- 00:21:00love St steveo is so another talented
- 00:21:02guy I just got to hang out with him in
- 00:21:04Connecticut when I was driving through
- 00:21:06so now I've got like all my music going
- 00:21:09and my company's Freedom music I started
- 00:21:12in December yeah and so I've just been
- 00:21:16going like Gang Busters and it was funny
- 00:21:19like when I got started I'm like gosh I
- 00:21:20wonder if people will sign with me like
- 00:21:22hope it's going to be okay like I hope
- 00:21:23it people are so stoked to work with you
- 00:21:26what are you talking about I know
- 00:21:29is that buil in like I'm not good enough
- 00:21:32I don't know if I know what I'm doing
- 00:21:35like it's so human and it's so much a
- 00:21:37part of for creatives like we're so hard
- 00:21:40on ourselves yeah yeah and so um I have
- 00:21:44signed over a hundred writers and
- 00:21:45producers and artists um I have a number
- 00:21:49of um Publishers and labels I work with
- 00:21:52a handful um run sound music publishing
- 00:21:55which is really a cool situation so I
- 00:21:58was um interning for Run song When I was
- 00:22:00a student at Belmont oh okay years and
- 00:22:04years ago full circle moments full
- 00:22:06circle yeah and so I also now um I did a
- 00:22:10camp with them a few months ago and rire
- 00:22:13who runs that company amazing woman in
- 00:22:15the industry here in Nashville she's one
- 00:22:17of the best Publishers in town in my
- 00:22:19opinion because she's just such a song
- 00:22:21person um and she's the head of she's
- 00:22:24the president of aim she's on the board
- 00:22:27for ASCAP
- 00:22:28um and so I did a camp for them and um I
- 00:22:32was sharing some of my songs like I was
- 00:22:34like yeah I'm writing again here you
- 00:22:36know very transparent and telling people
- 00:22:38and she said well I just need you to
- 00:22:39write with all of my artists on my
- 00:22:41artists on our roster I was like
- 00:22:44what is this real okay so that yeah so
- 00:22:49I've been writing so aside from my own
- 00:22:51project I write with a number of other
- 00:22:53artists so Michaela Lynn who's one of
- 00:22:55the renung artists Charles eston who is
- 00:22:59who is also an actor he's a wildly
- 00:23:01talented country artist singer song
- 00:23:03writer um he was in the TV show
- 00:23:05Nashville Deacon he was the he was that
- 00:23:08character he was also in that show um
- 00:23:10Whose Line Is It Anyways um and he's a
- 00:23:13lead character in Outer Banks which is a
- 00:23:16hit show on Netflix right now wow so
- 00:23:19yeah so I got to write a song with him
- 00:23:21the other day and I was just like
- 00:23:22freaking pinch me like what is happening
- 00:23:24right now I can't even believe what's
- 00:23:26going on that's so fun so yeah so it's
- 00:23:29been super fun um and just continuing to
- 00:23:32build and grow and um you know we just
- 00:23:35had our St Camp last week which you got
- 00:23:37to come to which was so much fun amazing
- 00:23:39I've never worked so hard and so
- 00:23:42quickly like the bar is set now at a new
- 00:23:44level good see that's what I wanted I
- 00:23:48wanted one first I wanted to make sure
- 00:23:50that like in that I'm providing as much
- 00:23:53information that can arm you with the
- 00:23:55tools to help you be better and write
- 00:23:57better cuz we can always we're always
- 00:23:59growing and we're always getting better
- 00:24:01um and then I wanted to have some really
- 00:24:04interesting collaborations that you
- 00:24:06wouldn't have thought of normally but
- 00:24:07maybe just like okay let's see how this
- 00:24:09goes and so that was great to see that
- 00:24:12happen and then the connection and
- 00:24:14collaboration and like I am just a
- 00:24:16believer and like it's not about making
- 00:24:18connections it's about being a connector
- 00:24:20it's being a conduit to like helping
- 00:24:22people connect and make and create
- 00:24:24something or Inspire something or make
- 00:24:27something happen and not expect
- 00:24:28something from that just make that
- 00:24:30connection totally and the roster is
- 00:24:32really cool maybe it's because of the
- 00:24:34kind of person you are but like every
- 00:24:36single person was so friendly like I
- 00:24:37enjoyed the Hang as much as I did making
- 00:24:40the music that's so important cuz I'm a
- 00:24:43big believer too like I just I want to
- 00:24:45work with people I love that I enjoy
- 00:24:48working with who are easy to work with
- 00:24:51um because in this business in sync
- 00:24:53world in in general but like in the
- 00:24:55music industry and in any business you
- 00:24:58want to work with people who are um easy
- 00:25:02to work with in terms of you know if
- 00:25:05something gets difficult it's not an
- 00:25:08argument it's a conversation yes um
- 00:25:11you're on the same team you're on the
- 00:25:12same team we're all working together
- 00:25:14nobody's competing against each other
- 00:25:17you know I have artists that I write
- 00:25:18with or they write with me for my
- 00:25:20project and there's no battle there's no
- 00:25:23competition it's just like we're here
- 00:25:26here to be creative and help each other
- 00:25:28and you know um that's awesome I love I
- 00:25:32love that and so I come from that place
- 00:25:35and then I think we just attract what we
- 00:25:38want I know you work with a broad range
- 00:25:39of genres yes and you in your own
- 00:25:43personal music do like rock alt Rock a
- 00:25:45little poppy little poppy but what would
- 00:25:49you say like your favorite genres are
- 00:25:53and do you think there are certain
- 00:25:56genres that are more sellable than
- 00:25:58others
- 00:25:59oh interesting okay um I like um I like
- 00:26:02Soul music a lot I love Motown Diana
- 00:26:04Ross and I love like sister at a Tharp
- 00:26:07like older music I love I love a lot of
- 00:26:11genres but um like I love classical for
- 00:26:14his own purpose and meaning and when I'm
- 00:26:16feeling in that mood um and because I
- 00:26:19used to love playing classical music
- 00:26:21right the orchestal background yes yeah
- 00:26:24um I me I mean in growing in growing up
- 00:26:26I listen to a wide range of genres I was
- 00:26:28listening to B Midler when I was a girl
- 00:26:30um and then I was listening to Method
- 00:26:32Man and you know wuen Clan and The Roots
- 00:26:36and um Lauren Hill's Miss educational
- 00:26:40Lauren Hill album was like like
- 00:26:42mindblowing to me when I first heard
- 00:26:45when it came out and broad range huge
- 00:26:48range yeah like all over the map and
- 00:26:50then
- 00:26:52um and then you know I mean the so the
- 00:26:55music that works best for sink there's
- 00:26:57three main genres that are the most
- 00:27:00popular um rock pop and Hip Hop okay and
- 00:27:03those three are also the top of the
- 00:27:06charts so those are two three of the
- 00:27:09most popular at the top of the charts so
- 00:27:11an interesting thing is that country
- 00:27:13music is actually a really popular genre
- 00:27:16right but it's one that's misunderstood
- 00:27:18by advertising and um it's one that is
- 00:27:22hard to place because they're they're
- 00:27:26such great lyricist in the country
- 00:27:29market and they tell the story in such a
- 00:27:32meaningful Deep Way um that it Paints
- 00:27:36the story that can conflict with a scene
- 00:27:39it's too specific it's too
- 00:27:41specific um and that's partly where at
- 00:27:44renang been writing with the the writers
- 00:27:46there to help paint them a little bit
- 00:27:49over here to the SN space like speaking
- 00:27:51your authentic voice but painted over
- 00:27:54this way a little bit um so it can fit
- 00:27:57in my world MH um so yeah I mean you
- 00:28:02know I did I did um for my master thesis
- 00:28:06for Berkeley I did a big I built a
- 00:28:09database and I basically researched all
- 00:28:11these ads and what I found was those
- 00:28:13were the main genres that were the most
- 00:28:15popular and then there's little
- 00:28:17ancillary ones um and what's happening
- 00:28:19now too and this is again driven by the
- 00:28:23the charts and what people are really
- 00:28:24listening to Latin music is getting in I
- 00:28:27heard that yeah a big way and that's
- 00:28:30which I love I think that's incredible
- 00:28:33it's so fun it's such fun music it is
- 00:28:35such fun music such fun music but again
- 00:28:37it's another space that's misunderstood
- 00:28:39cuz Ad Agency is like or music
- 00:28:41supervisor is that space not so much the
- 00:28:42music supervisor music supervisors are
- 00:28:44more um they understand the nuances it's
- 00:28:47their clients that don't always
- 00:28:48understand the nuances so in Latin music
- 00:28:50they'll just say I just want a a Latin
- 00:28:52song okay what specifically do you mean
- 00:28:55do you need something Flamingo do you
- 00:28:57need something that's Mexican Regional
- 00:29:00like what does that mean and every bit
- 00:29:03of Latin music is different depending on
- 00:29:04the region and I am not a specialist in
- 00:29:05that area there are people who
- 00:29:07specialize in that and really know so
- 00:29:09yeah how would an artist go about
- 00:29:12wanting to work with you now at
- 00:29:14Freedom now I'm like my roster's full I
- 00:29:18can't do
- 00:29:19anymore um so we actually my so I do
- 00:29:24want to talk about my team a little bit
- 00:29:25too and tell because like that is a huge
- 00:29:27part of how I'm even able to build my
- 00:29:28roster the way I have course um but PE
- 00:29:32folks do reach out to me either on
- 00:29:33social media or LinkedIn or they just
- 00:29:35send me an email direct and it's Heather
- 00:29:38at freedom musicgr
- 00:29:40group.co umco not.com and um and so if
- 00:29:46people send music I just say please
- 00:29:48don't send me more than three songs
- 00:29:50please sending in a stream streaming
- 00:29:52link preferably
- 00:29:55disco.ac um make sure you have
- 00:29:58instrumentals and your metad dat is
- 00:30:00cleaned up and you've got pictures in
- 00:30:01there and all the things and um and let
- 00:30:04me know a little bit about you like a
- 00:30:06little tiny bio um and tell me that you
- 00:30:09heard me on this podcast specifically
- 00:30:12but because if it's somebody that you
- 00:30:14know I'm more opt to listen rather than
- 00:30:16somebody I have no idea who they are um
- 00:30:19although I'm always listening I always
- 00:30:21so yeah I have uh Jason Lee is a
- 00:30:24director of syn creative and film and TV
- 00:30:27but he does all media and he's based in
- 00:30:29Los Angeles and Jason and I have
- 00:30:31actually worked together for over 10
- 00:30:32years so we worked together for8 years
- 00:30:34at P music we worked together for a year
- 00:30:36at Eternal and then both we were both at
- 00:30:39each company and I was like and then he
- 00:30:41had left so whenever the strikes were
- 00:30:43happening film and TV just like went
- 00:30:45away so they had to like close that
- 00:30:47department right and then he was off
- 00:30:49doing his thing and I was like come hang
- 00:30:50out with me at Freedom so he's crushing
- 00:30:53it he's landed so many placements and
- 00:30:56he's BL he's brought in some really cool
- 00:30:59artists in catalog um Mr Big from
- 00:31:03the80s um he brought that deal in which
- 00:31:06is amazing um so he's a huge part of
- 00:31:10helping Freedom grow as fast as we've
- 00:31:12grown a big big part of that um I just
- 00:31:15brought on lenie shorer she is in Paris
- 00:31:20she speaks three languages and she was
- 00:31:22my intern at pure music years ago okay
- 00:31:25and then we just she always stayed in
- 00:31:26touch with me and that was I always tell
- 00:31:28I always have interns I always do like
- 00:31:31one because I love to teach and I love
- 00:31:33to pass on to others like I like to the
- 00:31:36ob service and help others right and um
- 00:31:39and I always tell my interns stay in
- 00:31:41touch like you know let me know how
- 00:31:43you're doing and so she always stayed in
- 00:31:46touch and then she got her ma she
- 00:31:48finished her degree at Berkeley as well
- 00:31:50and then she started her own sync thing
- 00:31:52in um Valencia Spain at first okay and
- 00:31:55she has a relationship with supervisors
- 00:31:57there and literally the first week she
- 00:31:59started working with us yeah she's like
- 00:32:01I have three meetings with music
- 00:32:02supervisors this week first week hitting
- 00:32:05the ground running so yeah that's
- 00:32:08exciting and I have other folks I have
- 00:32:10other people that are asking if they can
- 00:32:11help in different regions of the world
- 00:32:13to to pitch the freedom catalog because
- 00:32:15we've grown so much and so the other the
- 00:32:17other parts of the catalog we have are
- 00:32:19music and media is a company I represent
- 00:32:22and um they have a number of cataloges
- 00:32:27they have a number catalog and songs
- 00:32:28they've been acquiring so they have a
- 00:32:30fund that they've been able to acquire
- 00:32:31older cataloges so we have songs like
- 00:32:33Werewolves of London Mambo taliano
- 00:32:36people by bra Bara Strand and the entire
- 00:32:38funny girl album which is an incredible
- 00:32:40album of music and um people in don't
- 00:32:43ran on My Parade or two songs I'm trying
- 00:32:45to land in something really big so
- 00:32:47Brands if you're listening right now
- 00:32:48like hint
- 00:32:50hint so yeah so the roster is quite big
- 00:32:53and I I really pride myself on having
- 00:32:56this like I want to be able to sit with
- 00:32:58you guys and have a conversation and
- 00:33:00stay updated um I have a lot of folks
- 00:33:03who in that number I mentioned they're
- 00:33:05they're like on call and they have
- 00:33:07others who are my top tier and are like
- 00:33:09all right these are the folks that are
- 00:33:11that you're investing dayto day they
- 00:33:13have a lot more going on some people
- 00:33:15only have a couple songs they've given
- 00:33:16me so that's easy to manage like okay
- 00:33:18great I'll pitch these for you see what
- 00:33:20will happen and then others who are
- 00:33:21creating every day um you know so I have
- 00:33:24I have one artist I manage Tabatha Meeks
- 00:33:28who's amazing um she's like a Nashville
- 00:33:30nor Jones classically trained pist she's
- 00:33:33got Jazz experience super talented um
- 00:33:36she just released a summer EP she's got
- 00:33:39a fall um EP coming out she's got a
- 00:33:42Christmas EP coming out in an album
- 00:33:44coming out the first of 2025 so like
- 00:33:46she's prolific wow and she's been
- 00:33:50Landing placements so she's got CSI
- 00:33:52Miami she's got Hallmark spot she's got
- 00:33:56like all you know um all these different
- 00:33:59TV shows and just continuing to grow so
- 00:34:02she's the only artist I'm I'm not taking
- 00:34:04on any more management she's the only
- 00:34:06one I'm managing um and if I do manage
- 00:34:09anyone else it it's going to be within
- 00:34:10who I already have been working with for
- 00:34:12years um there's a couple people who'
- 00:34:15have asked me and I'm like not just yet
- 00:34:17maybe it's it's a lot of work it's a lot
- 00:34:20it is and it's the you know you really
- 00:34:23put all of your energy into helping if
- 00:34:29it's an artist and a writer for sync
- 00:34:31you're you know I'm not just taking the
- 00:34:33songs and just pitching them I'm giving
- 00:34:35them mixed notes on their songs I'm
- 00:34:36going through every track I'm making
- 00:34:38sure every track that comes in is is
- 00:34:40pitch and something that we want to know
- 00:34:43or have a good feeling could license I'm
- 00:34:46going to guide them as far as like some
- 00:34:48of the details of who they are as an
- 00:34:50artist and how to build that out a bit
- 00:34:51you know in a way like and I had this
- 00:34:53when I was at Pier with the rep program
- 00:34:55I was like a I was like not a manager
- 00:34:58per se but I did things managers would
- 00:35:00do to guide and help an artist so
- 00:35:02there's a lot of energy that goes into
- 00:35:04that as you know like we've talked about
- 00:35:05stuff yeah it is timec consuming like to
- 00:35:08do that for a whole bunch of people and
- 00:35:09like run the company I can't imagine
- 00:35:12balancing everything so I have to be
- 00:35:15selective in who I do work with and the
- 00:35:18time and energy I put in and again it
- 00:35:21comes back to the people who are easiest
- 00:35:22to work with who flow easy um the folks
- 00:35:25that are you know have figured out the
- 00:35:28the notes I've given and like run with
- 00:35:30it and gone super fast some people are
- 00:35:32you know work faster than others and it
- 00:35:34doesn't mean they're better it just
- 00:35:35means they work at a different pace um
- 00:35:37and so yeah so that with that you know
- 00:35:41um as we as we grow we're growing at a
- 00:35:44smaller Pace cuz I feel like we're at a
- 00:35:47good spot right now just for the
- 00:35:49audience like what's one of your
- 00:35:50favorite placements um well a recent one
- 00:35:52that I was excited about was with a band
- 00:35:55called don't scare the ghost and
- 00:35:58and this is a good example because it
- 00:36:01kind of smizes like all the things that
- 00:36:03I'll do with a band and an artist um Ben
- 00:36:06epand and Chris a um they had created
- 00:36:09this rock band and I was at Eternal
- 00:36:11music group when we did this and they
- 00:36:13were trying to figure out what they were
- 00:36:14going to do and I said well I would
- 00:36:17encourage you guys to really come up
- 00:36:18with a name come up with a look and
- 00:36:21create an EP and have a a body of work
- 00:36:24that we can pitch and so and this is
- 00:36:27what I did at here we did this up here
- 00:36:29all the time with bands and artists and
- 00:36:31there was a whole strategy behind like
- 00:36:33how when you release it how soon you
- 00:36:35release if you release at all you know
- 00:36:37all that should you wait for replacement
- 00:36:39should you not and um we they released a
- 00:36:43couple singles and it was it was almost
- 00:36:46instant like they start they got
- 00:36:47placements pretty quickly so one of our
- 00:36:49team members in UK got a placement for
- 00:36:52them for a French water company drink
- 00:36:56bottle of water company so that was one
- 00:36:58and then I landed them a Super Bowl
- 00:37:02promo you know and that just came from
- 00:37:04like just servicing it to our clients
- 00:37:07you know and it wasn't even a direct
- 00:37:09pitch it was just like here you got to
- 00:37:10make sure you like play this and license
- 00:37:12it kind of thing um so that was special
- 00:37:14because that one was like it just showed
- 00:37:17okay when you really do this in a
- 00:37:19meaningful way and put that time and
- 00:37:21energy into that artist and um you know
- 00:37:25make great music cuz they make great
- 00:37:27music music Ben Benny Pand is one of my
- 00:37:29favorite producers to work with super
- 00:37:31talented guy um and Chris just great
- 00:37:34songwriter and singer an artist and so
- 00:37:38yeah so that was a really cool one um
- 00:37:41I'm trying to think of some others I
- 00:37:43think I mean one of the first well I
- 00:37:46guess was second or third or fourth
- 00:37:48place I can never remember but when I
- 00:37:50one of the first placement I had when I
- 00:37:52was at Pier was with a guy named Andrew
- 00:37:54simple and it was a ker spot and it was
- 00:37:58like the the few first six months I was
- 00:38:00there and I had gone I I can't remember
- 00:38:04where I was I so I would travel the
- 00:38:06country meeting with ad agencies so I
- 00:38:08was Frontline marketer I see and so I
- 00:38:10would go and I would host a lunch or
- 00:38:13breakfast with the Ad Agency so I've got
- 00:38:15to present to all the major ad agencies
- 00:38:17in the United States very cool um which
- 00:38:19was fun like again I'm like a people
- 00:38:21person and my being an artist and being
- 00:38:24comfortable on stage it helps of course
- 00:38:26yeah you know so I was like put me in
- 00:38:28front of people I love that place you
- 00:38:30know and so um it was one of the first
- 00:38:33agencies I met with and from during the
- 00:38:37meeting she handed me a brief basically
- 00:38:40and said here I've got this brief for K
- 00:38:41jewers okay I sent her songs I pitched
- 00:38:44songs for it they quoted three of the
- 00:38:47songs and then landed Andrew's song and
- 00:38:51that went um in the C Jeweler spot and
- 00:38:54then they flew down to Nashville and
- 00:38:56they interviewed him
- 00:38:58um at Ocean Way Studios and like I think
- 00:39:00it was Ocean Way yeah it was like
- 00:39:02amazing and then he was flown down to
- 00:39:05Florida for an ion Network interview in
- 00:39:08between by K you know presented by K
- 00:39:10Jewelers and their their um K Jewelers
- 00:39:13was sponsoring this particular ion
- 00:39:15Network TV show and so then he talked to
- 00:39:18him in between and then it was at the
- 00:39:20lighting of the Christmas tree at
- 00:39:21Rockefeller Center so I felt like I
- 00:39:23really knocked out of the park one of
- 00:39:25the first placements I had at p
- 00:39:28um I think another one too is one of my
- 00:39:30favorites that I some of these are like
- 00:39:33inadvertent lands like I had pitched it
- 00:39:36either directly to the client or it came
- 00:39:38through a playlist pitch or it came
- 00:39:39through hey guys make sure you listen to
- 00:39:41this we need to land this song kind of
- 00:39:43thing um but I had landed Buddy Holly's
- 00:39:47every day in an Ikea commercial okay I'm
- 00:39:50pretty sure that was a direct pitch um
- 00:39:52that I submitted and it was awesome I
- 00:39:55was super excited cuz so buddy h started
- 00:39:57his career at Pier music oh wow he
- 00:40:01actually met his wife Marie in the
- 00:40:02office in New York cuz she was a
- 00:40:04secretary there yeah yeah and then um
- 00:40:07I'd been working at Pier for like 5
- 00:40:09years and I love to do
- 00:40:12ancestry and I found out I'm related to
- 00:40:14Buddy Holly he's like my seventh cousin
- 00:40:17or
- 00:40:18something again I'm like what is this my
- 00:40:21blood music's in my
- 00:40:24blood um but I just thought that was
- 00:40:26really a wild
- 00:40:27coincidence that I'm working at the
- 00:40:29company where a cousin of mine started
- 00:40:32his career but like one of the coolest
- 00:40:35cousins and like he's a you know rock
- 00:40:39legend and I'm and now I'm in the Rock
- 00:40:41genre as an artist too and I'm like this
- 00:40:44is really cool it's kind of like a
- 00:40:46natural segue it was a natural segue but
- 00:40:49it also gave me that like kind of you
- 00:40:52know courage to be like oh I got this in
- 00:40:55my blood mhm all right right I'll do it
- 00:40:59so yeah a lot of cool placements what do
- 00:41:01you see musicians not doing that you're
- 00:41:03like damn If Only They did this in sync
- 00:41:07um they they don't spend enough time
- 00:41:10marketing themselves mhm and there's so
- 00:41:13many ways you can do it now and now that
- 00:41:15I've been able to do it myself I'm like
- 00:41:17there's a lot of things you can do and
- 00:41:19barely scratch I've barely scratch the
- 00:41:21surface of it like submit hub's a good
- 00:41:24one um you know I use I I distribute my
- 00:41:29music through symphonic which I love
- 00:41:31symphonic music like their their
- 00:41:33platform is fantastic their background
- 00:41:35and they actually landed my second
- 00:41:37single on an editorial playlist for
- 00:41:40Apple oh wow but knowing how to utilize
- 00:41:43your team and marketing your music in a
- 00:41:45meaningful like don't just release your
- 00:41:47songs right like really try to spend at
- 00:41:49least some money even if it's $50 like
- 00:41:53you can save up a couple hundred to do
- 00:41:57something and the the little like I've
- 00:41:59probably in my music alone I've invested
- 00:42:02about $5,000 or so okay and I'm just
- 00:42:06barely scratching the surface of what I
- 00:42:08could do it helps the story so I pitch
- 00:42:12the Artist as much as I pitch the song
- 00:42:14yeah and if there's no story if there's
- 00:42:16no anything like I got nothing to tell
- 00:42:19you and it doesn't mean that I won't
- 00:42:21land something it just makes it harder
- 00:42:23for the brand of the client to grab on
- 00:42:26to see like who's this
- 00:42:28artist and so like if you go to my
- 00:42:31website Brewster
- 00:42:32b.com you'll see all my music and you'll
- 00:42:36see press that I've got you'll see my
- 00:42:39story you'll see the songs I've released
- 00:42:42my social media I try to stay active on
- 00:42:45I need to and that's something I need to
- 00:42:46do a little bit more of because I've got
- 00:42:47a release coming up so I've got some
- 00:42:49marketing things I'm going to do it's
- 00:42:50the biggest thing like and I just see it
- 00:42:52lacking yeah and um it's so easy like it
- 00:42:56it's easy in that
- 00:42:57you know even if you do one post a week
- 00:43:00like do something talk to your fans and
- 00:43:03really connect with your fans yeah um
- 00:43:05because that comes through when you know
- 00:43:09a brand or client music supervisor is
- 00:43:11coming to look at who you are um the
- 00:43:14last thing you want to see them do is
- 00:43:16like you have one picture and then you
- 00:43:18know the artist name and a link to the
- 00:43:20website and nothing's happening and
- 00:43:21they're like oh this is made for a sink
- 00:43:24oh I see and they just turn away oh
- 00:43:27pretty quickly from it so that part has
- 00:43:29to be authentic too like you need to be
- 00:43:31right the whole the whole picture
- 00:43:35interesting yeah I think people just
- 00:43:37want to focus on the music you know it's
- 00:43:39like just let me make the music but it
- 00:43:41all goes hand in hand and like I think
- 00:43:43it's just committing to all the pieces
- 00:43:45like yeah if you want to be in sync like
- 00:43:47there's a it's multifaceted yeah yeah
- 00:43:51yeah and even if you're a producer and
- 00:43:53you're not an artist a producer can
- 00:43:54still tell their story you know there's
- 00:43:56some great producers like Austin Canon
- 00:43:58has a great website you should go look
- 00:44:00at um AA Ray um her website's great you
- 00:44:05go and you see their personality and you
- 00:44:07see the work they've done and you're
- 00:44:09like okay I know what I'm getting when I
- 00:44:11work with this particular producer right
- 00:44:13and so I can I can pitch them as a
- 00:44:15producer to a music supervisor and say
- 00:44:18Here's what you're getting with this
- 00:44:19producer F because another one when you
- 00:44:21go to her page you can see like what
- 00:44:23she's done and she's active on social
- 00:44:25media um she's also an artist as well so
- 00:44:27she's promoting her stuff as well as the
- 00:44:29artist that she produces um but you can
- 00:44:32see and and then so for myself and for a
- 00:44:36music supervisor you categorize
- 00:44:38everything everything kind of goes in a
- 00:44:40bucket of like all right this is in the
- 00:44:41bucket of that type of music that I know
- 00:44:44I'm going to need at some point I can
- 00:44:46come back to it later because I remember
- 00:44:48for this reason and so anything you can
- 00:44:52do that helps put you in a place where
- 00:44:54music supervisors will you're standing
- 00:44:56out and you
- 00:44:57oh I know them for that you know like
- 00:44:59for tabith the Meeks um she has a really
- 00:45:03cool retro pop sound yeah and they know
- 00:45:06to come to her for that and they know
- 00:45:08they're going to get a really talented
- 00:45:10piano player playing and beautiful
- 00:45:13delicate voice and um all the different
- 00:45:16styles of music that she does they know
- 00:45:18what they're coming for and so and my
- 00:45:20music is like rock and they know it's
- 00:45:22like sports driven Rock stuff they know
- 00:45:24they're going to get that so when
- 00:45:27anything you can do to be distinctive
- 00:45:28and then put a little pretty bow on it
- 00:45:30and package it up so that when you hand
- 00:45:32it to somebody like me I'm going to
- 00:45:34pitch it I'm like all right great I know
- 00:45:35what I'm pitching right you know I'm not
- 00:45:37pulling it together to figure out all
- 00:45:39right there's this piece over here she
- 00:45:41doesn't know what that is so I don't
- 00:45:43know what we're going to do with that
- 00:45:44and then this over like what is you as a
- 00:45:46full what is your brand as a producer
- 00:45:49like Tiff you're like Tiff ISM you're
- 00:45:51like an electronic producer and you've
- 00:45:52got a cool EP coming out yeah I'm so
- 00:45:54excited you like so excited about that
- 00:45:57let's talk about your book that's coming
- 00:45:58out well I have my um my first edition
- 00:46:01is out um so music for media and Brands
- 00:46:04I wrote a couple it's an ebook it's
- 00:46:06online um I actually do need to get it
- 00:46:08up on Amazon because I have a couple
- 00:46:10universities that are interested in nice
- 00:46:12using it in their curriculum um and um I
- 00:46:16have a second edition coming out cuz
- 00:46:19just everything I learned being you know
- 00:46:21over the last two years even just so
- 00:46:24many more things I need to add into the
- 00:46:27book now that um I didn't know before
- 00:46:31and so yeah so that's coming out and
- 00:46:35initially it started as a way of like
- 00:46:37communicating with Ad Agency PE folks
- 00:46:41cuz as I mentioned earlier I was
- 00:46:43traveling around the country and I was
- 00:46:44meeting with ad agencies and talking to
- 00:46:46them about where I was working at the
- 00:46:48time perer music um but I was also
- 00:46:51teaching them so they don't there were
- 00:46:53so many of them that didn't understand
- 00:46:55how to license music or how to approach
- 00:46:57it and frequently an ad agency will Pro
- 00:47:00will throw that job if they don't have a
- 00:47:01music supervisor in house they'll throw
- 00:47:03it to the producers and I'll say you
- 00:47:05guys take care of the music sometimes
- 00:47:07it's the copywriter sometimes it's the
- 00:47:09creative director um it could be any
- 00:47:12number of people that handle music maybe
- 00:47:14it's everybody because it's a small
- 00:47:15agency and so I found myself like saying
- 00:47:18the same thing over and over again and
- 00:47:20so I just put it in writing it was like
- 00:47:22here you go tied it up with a bow and um
- 00:47:25and it was a really cool marketing tool
- 00:47:27at first too cuz then it was like you
- 00:47:29know here's a very simple digestible
- 00:47:33again like nugget of information that
- 00:47:36can help you understand how this world
- 00:47:37Works Mr Ad Agency person um and then
- 00:47:42help them to know who I was too and so I
- 00:47:46um yeah so I it's more directed towards
- 00:47:50them but songwriters and artists can get
- 00:47:52a lot from it I got a lot from it did
- 00:47:54you okay good yeah yeah especially like
- 00:47:57before I was connected to you I think I
- 00:47:58bought the book first oh yeah um and
- 00:48:01thank you yeah of course no it's it's
- 00:48:03helpful and like it's such a different
- 00:48:05space the commercial space there's a lot
- 00:48:07more rules than like compared to like TV
- 00:48:09for example like um I've heard that with
- 00:48:13TV it's easier to get plac if you're
- 00:48:15like a singer songwriter making you know
- 00:48:18your own like vulnerable authentic
- 00:48:20tracks while like with commercial
- 00:48:22there's like some more rules Yeah Yeah
- 00:48:25well yeah I mean cuz you have an ad gets
- 00:48:28done in 30 60 or 90 seconds sometimes 15
- 00:48:33now seven I've got request for 7 Seconds
- 00:48:36yeah and so you have to think about the
- 00:48:40the tempo of the song and how quickly
- 00:48:42you're getting to the hook and how
- 00:48:45quickly you're grabbing their attention
- 00:48:47melodically um and so that all plays a
- 00:48:52big role in whether or not the song's
- 00:48:54going to place and so it has to move the
- 00:48:56scene along um sometimes there's vo and
- 00:48:59it has to just be a track that can sit
- 00:49:02well in a scene and there's a lot of
- 00:49:04voice over vo um sometimes the song
- 00:49:07carries the entire spot and so it has to
- 00:49:10have the right lyrics to um really carry
- 00:49:15the message and what the brand is trying
- 00:49:17to say to the consumer right and so
- 00:49:21that's why I mentioned earlier they're
- 00:49:22asking for things that don't exist
- 00:49:24they're asking specifically for message
- 00:49:27that fits their Brand's message for
- 00:49:31consumers for that specific product and
- 00:49:36so you know they want people to come in
- 00:49:39and like feel safe they want them um
- 00:49:43either to have a good time and feel
- 00:49:45comfortable in a space like tar or you
- 00:49:47know Target or you know familyfriendly
- 00:49:49and Target right um they want people to
- 00:49:52like come and communicate like have
- 00:49:54Community like at Starbucks they want to
- 00:49:58connect through technology through your
- 00:50:01phone like it's all about connection and
- 00:50:05so all of those messages have to be
- 00:50:08delivered in a song in an authentic way
- 00:50:11in a way the artist would say it MH it's
- 00:50:13a lot y yeah yeah so yeah yeah I study I
- 00:50:18just try to like look at what's going on
- 00:50:21in in advertising regularly and in film
- 00:50:23and TV now too cuz I'm pitching for all
- 00:50:25of it MH and really understand what
- 00:50:28they're looking for
- 00:50:30mhm are there any last tips you want to
- 00:50:33share with the viewers on like you know
- 00:50:35just how to be successful in sync um I
- 00:50:39know I've talked to a lot of guests that
- 00:50:41say because I've asked like how do you
- 00:50:43be full-time in sync and like it's it's
- 00:50:46difficult you have to really be
- 00:50:47releasing music constantly a lot of
- 00:50:50people have side things like they're
- 00:50:52they'll top line or do session work or
- 00:50:54you know produce for artists on the side
- 00:50:56but yeah just like people who are
- 00:50:58scratching the surface of sink do you
- 00:50:59have any tips for them yeah I mean one
- 00:51:02thing is be great at your craft so you
- 00:51:05know be great be a great musician be a
- 00:51:08great vocalist be a great writer
- 00:51:10whichever your particular thing you're
- 00:51:12great at be really great at it and keep
- 00:51:15working at it to become even better and
- 00:51:18then collaborate with others yeah
- 00:51:21because that's the way that for myself
- 00:51:23even like and I've seen that for other
- 00:51:25artists like that's how I been able to
- 00:51:27land placements because I have a certain
- 00:51:29skill set and things I was able to do
- 00:51:32but when I collaborated with my
- 00:51:33producers and co-writers they brought a
- 00:51:36whole skill set to the table that I
- 00:51:37didn't have and it just went it took it
- 00:51:39through the freaking roof and it was
- 00:51:41like okay so now that's helped me it's
- 00:51:44it's like all everybody pulls you up to
- 00:51:47where they're working and now you're you
- 00:51:51know you're able to accelerate even
- 00:51:54faster as a result so coate collaborate
- 00:51:59connect um you know get learn as much as
- 00:52:02you can about this world um um Amanda
- 00:52:06cig Thomas wrote a really great book s
- 00:52:08on sync 101 I recommend reading that um
- 00:52:11there's another older book about s kind
- 00:52:13of an older one I w't mention I don't
- 00:52:15know if I should mention it anymore it's
- 00:52:17like 10 years old or so it's like kind
- 00:52:18of it's really outdated um you know but
- 00:52:21watch podcast watch all the things and
- 00:52:24do everything you can be the best you
- 00:52:25can but collab collaboration I think is
- 00:52:27a hugee part of that and also just
- 00:52:30having someone to bounce your ideas off
- 00:52:31of because you know how you can get into
- 00:52:33your own head sometimes and like by the
- 00:52:34time you finish a song you're like is
- 00:52:35this even a good song anymore right but
- 00:52:38when you're collaborating with other
- 00:52:39people that you trust their ears it's
- 00:52:40like okay well they think it's good so
- 00:52:42it's good yeah yeah yeah totally for
- 00:52:45people that are aspiring to do this
- 00:52:47full-time is there a certain number of
- 00:52:49songs that they should aim to make per
- 00:52:52month or per
- 00:52:54year so some of those guys I mentioned
- 00:52:56ear that those hugely successful guys
- 00:52:59they were writing pretty much a song
- 00:53:01every day at least one and sometimes two
- 00:53:03songs a day wow they take a break
- 00:53:06weekend maybe but the it's Breakneck
- 00:53:11speed at which people are creating
- 00:53:15but really you know it's okay also to go
- 00:53:18at your own pace create great music just
- 00:53:22really create great music and yes
- 00:53:27you know the volume has to be up there
- 00:53:30um you know 100 songs a year is a good
- 00:53:32goal to try to hit and every song you
- 00:53:35write you're going to keep getting
- 00:53:36better MH and so yeah I would just say
- 00:53:41look at what your pace is for writing
- 00:53:45and then set goals for yourself and set
- 00:53:47small goals like all right this week I'm
- 00:53:49going to work on at least two songs MH
- 00:53:52um or one a week whatever that is for
- 00:53:54you yeah yeah cuz like I said earlier
- 00:53:56everybody every body works at a
- 00:53:56different pace creativity doesn't have
- 00:53:59like a stamped you need to do this
- 00:54:01specific thing you know like there's no
- 00:54:04whatever works for you totally um but do
- 00:54:06know that they're like what you're
- 00:54:08competing against in this market right
- 00:54:11um but it doesn't mean that you can't
- 00:54:12get those placements too okay and it
- 00:54:15goes back to like the whole 10,000 hours
- 00:54:16thing it's just good to make more music
- 00:54:18you know oh totally and like creativity
- 00:54:20I was saying this on another episode but
- 00:54:22like it's not like you run out of
- 00:54:24creativity the more you make the better
- 00:54:26better and more creative you become yeah
- 00:54:29totally and where can people find you
- 00:54:31and your company yeah so um it's Freedom
- 00:54:34music group.co is my company um you can
- 00:54:37find my whole sphere of everything I do
- 00:54:40is Heather D
- 00:54:42cook.com um bruer
- 00:54:45be.com so um and you have Instagram on
- 00:54:49Instagram I'm on Instagram over the
- 00:54:51place LinkedIn all of that um yeah and
- 00:54:54then we just started there's a coalition
- 00:54:57of us I should mention I need to make
- 00:54:59sure I mention is called Nashville and
- 00:55:01syn Y and super excited about that we're
- 00:55:05a nonprofit
- 00:55:06501c3 um we're formly of the Nashville
- 00:55:11Film Festival music board um again just
- 00:55:15made sense to go in a New Direction and
- 00:55:18our our our events were growing so much
- 00:55:20we kind of had to make it its own thing
- 00:55:23and so um we're going to continue you to
- 00:55:26do sync panels and events like we did at
- 00:55:29the film festival my whole board is all
- 00:55:31the all the sync Executives here in
- 00:55:33Nashville good number of the S
- 00:55:35Executives here in Nashville so um our
- 00:55:39membership is open for application and
- 00:55:42we have some opportunity to apply to be
- 00:55:45on the board on the board and be
- 00:55:47co-chair to board members so there's a
- 00:55:50lot of opportunity there um but again
- 00:55:53just to build community build
- 00:55:55opportunity educate folks it's all about
- 00:55:57education again like just helping our
- 00:55:59community both the executives Sy
- 00:56:01Executives in the industry and the
- 00:56:03artists and songwriters in the business
- 00:56:05as well and don't forget to follow
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