Who is Dr. Chris Kenobi?

Dr. Chris Kenobi is a physician and nutrition researcher known for his work on the dangers of seed oils and their link to chronic diseases.

What are the main dangers of vegetable oils according to Dr. Kenobi?

They are highly polyunsaturated, pro-oxidative, pro-inflammatory, directly toxic to cells, and nutrient deficient.

Why did Dr. Kenobi decide to quit his medical practice?

He left to focus on researching the impact of processed foods and seed oils on age-related macular degeneration.

How does Dr. Kenobi suggest people handle vegetable oils in their diet?

He recommends eliminating processed foods and preparing meals at home using healthier fats like butter or coconut oil.

What did Dr. Kenobi find in his research about seed oils and chronic diseases?

There is a correlation between the rise in seed oil consumption and the increase in chronic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.

Why are vegetable oils still popular despite their dangers?

They are often recommended by major organizations and found in many processed foods.

What impact has seed oil consumption had historically?

Seed oil consumption has increased significantly and has been linked with a rise in various chronic diseases.

How can people avoid the harmful effects of seed oils?

Avoid processed foods, reduce eating out, and use natural animal fats or well-sourced olive oil when cooking.

What did Dr. Kenobi discover about macular degeneration in certain populations?

Populations with low seed oil consumption had no or low incidences of macular degeneration.

What are some healthier alternatives to seed oils according to the podcast?

Butter, coconut oil, and animal fats from naturally raised animals.

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Résumé

TLDRThe podcast episode of "Ketones and Coffee" features Dr. Chris Kenobi, who discusses the harmful impact of vegetable oils on health. He elaborates on his extensive research over a decade and presents evidence linking seed oils with chronic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and heart conditions. Highlighting historical and global data, Dr. Kenobi asserts that the rise of processed foods rich in polyunsaturated vegetable oils correlates with increased disease rates. He urges eliminating processed foods from diets and using healthier fats like butter and coconut oil. Additionally, Dr. Kenobi shares his personal journey motivated by medical challenges, leading to his groundbreaking focus on nutrition as a means to prevent and manage diseases like age-related macular degeneration.

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🎙️ Dr. Chris Kenobi explores the dangers of seed oils related to chronic diseases.
📚 Vegetable oils are associated with obesity, diabetes, and heart conditions.
⚕️ The ancestral diet could prevent many health issues linked to processed foods.
🤔 Historical data shows increased consumption of oils correlates with chronic diseases.
🌱 Recommended alternatives include butter and coconut oil over seed oils.
🛑 Emphasis on eliminating processed foods to improve health.
👨‍⚕️ Personal health challenges led Dr. Kenobi to focus on nutritional research.
🍽️ Preparing meals at home using natural fats is advised.
📈 Seed oils' popularity increases, despite known health risks, due to misinformation.
🧐 The podcast highlights critical public health messages about diet and wellness.

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00:00:00 - 00:05:00
Welcome to the Ketones and Coffee Podcast with Lawrence Monet, focusing on the ketogenic lifestyle's benefits for health, featuring expert insights. The episode is sponsored by basic ketogeniclifestyle.com, offering coaching to reverse depression through diet.
00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Dr. Chris Kenobi, nutrition researcher and author, discusses the dangers of seed oils. He is known for his work on macular degeneration and his recent book highlighting processed foods' health impact.
00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Lawrence appreciates Dr. Kenobi's research on seed oils and diet's role in chronic diseases. They discuss the significance of seed oils in diseases like obesity and diabetes, referencing historical dietary impacts noted by scientist Weston A. Price.
00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Dr. Kenobi shares his journey from arthritis patient to diet researcher. Despite challenges, he persisted, recently discovering his diagnosis of gout, highlighting his personal connection to his research endeavors.
00:20:00 - 00:25:00
After reading Price's work, Dr. Kenobi hypothesized processed foods contribute to age-related macular degeneration. His research, with Maria Soyinasca, found support across 25 nations, especially linking low vegetable oil consumption to low macular degeneration rates.
00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Dr. Kenobi details his research methodology and findings, connecting the introduction of vegetable oils to the rise of heart disease. Historical data shows a significant increase in vegetable oil consumption correlating with higher disease rates.
00:30:00 - 00:35:00
The history and rise of vegetable oils started post-Civil War, replacing traditional fats with products like margarine and Crisco, increasing chronic disease prevalence. This aligns with introduction timelines.
00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Dr. Kenobi discusses the flawed health guidelines favoring vegetable oils due to their LDL-lowering claims. Despite this, data suggests they are potent oxidants, contributing to heart disease and other chronic conditions.
00:40:00 - 00:45:00
Even with evidence against vegetable oils, public health institutions pushed them, influenced by financial interests from the food industry, perpetuating misinformation about health impacts.
00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Dr. Kenobi emphasizes preparing food at home with safer fats like butter or coconut oil. He advises avoiding processed foods and being cautious with restaurant oils, promoting a shift back to traditional cooking methods.
00:50:00 - 00:55:00
Highlighting historical and global dietary examples, Dr. Kenobi suggests diverse diets can be healthy if devoid of processed foods and vegetable oils, suggesting failures in modern diet trends driven by industry goals.
00:55:00 - 01:00:00
He notes the constraining effect of industrial interests on public dietary perceptions, advocating for a diet low in omega-6 fats to prevent chronic diseases like heart disease and cancer.
01:00:00 - 01:06:08
Dr. Kenobi emphasizes the need to eliminate seed oils, tying low-carb dietary benefits to reduced consumption of these oils, and encouraging homemade meals to control ingredients and avoid processed unsaturated fats.

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Who is Dr. Chris Kenobi?
Dr. Chris Kenobi is a physician and nutrition researcher known for his work on the dangers of seed oils and their link to chronic diseases.
What are the main dangers of vegetable oils according to Dr. Kenobi?
They are highly polyunsaturated, pro-oxidative, pro-inflammatory, directly toxic to cells, and nutrient deficient.
Why did Dr. Kenobi decide to quit his medical practice?
He left to focus on researching the impact of processed foods and seed oils on age-related macular degeneration.
How does Dr. Kenobi suggest people handle vegetable oils in their diet?
He recommends eliminating processed foods and preparing meals at home using healthier fats like butter or coconut oil.
What did Dr. Kenobi find in his research about seed oils and chronic diseases?
There is a correlation between the rise in seed oil consumption and the increase in chronic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.
Why are vegetable oils still popular despite their dangers?
They are often recommended by major organizations and found in many processed foods.
What impact has seed oil consumption had historically?
Seed oil consumption has increased significantly and has been linked with a rise in various chronic diseases.
How can people avoid the harmful effects of seed oils?
Avoid processed foods, reduce eating out, and use natural animal fats or well-sourced olive oil when cooking.
What did Dr. Kenobi discover about macular degeneration in certain populations?
Populations with low seed oil consumption had no or low incidences of macular degeneration.
What are some healthier alternatives to seed oils according to the podcast?
Butter, coconut oil, and animal fats from naturally raised animals.

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Dr Chris Kenobi is a physician and
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nutrition researcher who has been
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investigating the dangers of seed oils
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for over a decade he is the founder and
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director of two foundations The Cure AMD
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foundation and the ancestral Health
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Foundation Dr Kenobi is most famous for
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his groundbreaking work on age-related
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macular degeneration or AMD and author
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the book The ancestral dietary strategy
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to prevent and treat macular
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degeneration back in 2016. today he
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joins us to talk about his new book The
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ancestral diet Revolution which sheds
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lights on how vegetable oil and
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processed foods are destroying our
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health Dr Chris Kenobi who has dedicated
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the last 10 years to researching The
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Power of food in preventing chronic
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diseases Dr Kenobi thank you so much for
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joining us
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thanks for having me on Lawrence it's a
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it's a pleasure I really appreciate it
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you know your work on uh the dangers of
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seed oils is truly groundbreaking I've
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seen some of your talk online and read a
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few pages of your book
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and we are eager to really dive deeper
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into that topic today your book The
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ancestral diet Revolution you know can
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be a great resource for anyone who wants
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to learn more about this and if you're
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interested it sheds light on how our
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food choices can really impact our
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overall health and it's you know
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essentially talking about no seed the
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seed oils and how it leads to chronic
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diseases like obesity the bigger ones
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diabetes and I'm you know as passionate
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of an advocate as the next person for
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just the importance of nutrition in
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overall Wellness so I'm thrilled to have
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you sir and discuss that important issue
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yeah thanks Lauren so it's it's a
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pleasure and uh you you've already
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summarized it what we need the main
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things we need to hit you know that it's
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uh it is processed foods and it is the
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highly polyunsaturated vegetable oils
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that are the the primary drivers and um
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and I'll just say that you know if it
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weren't for the work of Western a price
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I don't know if your your listeners are
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aware of Western a prices research but
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if if I might mention Lawrence um you
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know price was a highly accomplished
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scientist researcher and dentist who in
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the 1930s
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um you know traveled much of the world
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visiting uh people evaluating people on
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five continents 14 Nations hundreds of
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tribes and Villages and thousands upon
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thousands of individual evaluations and
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exams and at the time
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people were
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transitioning it was a unique time in in
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the history of the world people were
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transitioning from their traditional
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their their native traditional diets
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over to westernized diets and and what
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price found is as those people were you
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know began to consume the our our
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westernized Foods what a lot of them
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called the foods of the white man they
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beca yeah they develop dental decay and
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and arthritis Cancers and a load of
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degenerative diseases and the reason but
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the reason I'm pointing this out partly
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is that price connected this to what we
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call recalled the the problems were
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refined flowers refined sugars
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uh canned goods sweets confectionery
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that's how he labeled them uh and
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vegetable fats he called them which are
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the vegetable oils and this was
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something that I I came across prices
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book nutrition and physical degeneration
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back in 2013 and when after I read this
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500 page
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uh epic
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book that is is you know staggering in
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its in in in its uh accomplishments
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um
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it changed my world and it it and for
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the first time ever I had a lens through
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which I could view all of nutrition and
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that guides me to this day I use that
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and the fact that he he nailed vegetable
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fats as well when they were very low in
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the diet but he knew that they were
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nutrient deficient he didn't understand
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the toxicity because there was no way to
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understand the toxicity of these oils
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back in that day but but he knew that
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those were the foods that were nutrient
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deficient that were very very low in
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vitamins and minerals and that that was
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driving degenerative disease and so ever
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since then that's that's the lens that I
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see all of this through and and again I
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think I said this but it's never failed
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me
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so it's it's just brilliant that's
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that's where all of my research is is
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focused on
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so we'll get to the we'll get to those
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topics in a second here Dr Chris
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um I believe you know what I was looking
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into your story your journey hasn't
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always been easy as you know
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um as like most of us who changed our
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lifestyle your dedication I can see that
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uh spreading the important message there
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uh very incredible and you know a decade
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of research you know you're speaking
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engagement and then your book writing a
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testament is uh is a testament to that
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mission
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um can you tell us to our listeners more
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about you know your background as a
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business position and then I understand
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some health problems in your 30s I
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believe and then what led you to you
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know you spoke about it a little bit to
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becoming a nutrition researcher
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yeah um so you know this my story really
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begins it begins back in like 1994 when
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I was 33 years old
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um and I began to develop arthritis in
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my knees and by the time I was 50 in
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2011
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um I had arthritis in many joints and uh
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including my elbows and shoulders and
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fingers and toes and and
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um but to keep this short I I uh I did a
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partial paleo diet and for a while it
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helped me and over the last 12 years
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also just to summarize this I've tried
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virtually everything and it's it's you
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know it's funny you ask me this now
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because just in the last several weeks
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um I finally uncovered what I think may
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be the answer and it's that this is the
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first time I've ever mentioned this uh
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publicly is that I have gout
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which is a uric acid accumulation and I
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you know I've probably seen 30
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physicians in my you know in the last 30
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well 29 years you know uh about my
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arthritis and nobody ever mentioned gout
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but
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um but I had a friend and colleague of
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mine Dr Ben Edwards who's a brilliant
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physician he said Chris this is
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you know because I was getting worse
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this year and even a carnivore diet
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wouldn't solve it which it did before it
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seemed to solve it pretty well the
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carnivore diet wouldn't touch it either
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and I was getting like I said it was
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getting worse and
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um and Dr Ben Edwards family physician
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brilliant guy said it's you know it's
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got It's either going to be an
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infectious agent or it's going to be a
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toxin and it led me on a search finally
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you know that I found that you know the
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most inflammatory and
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um
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painful arthritis is gout
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and so I was tested and my uric acid was
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a bit high and my 24 hour urine uric
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acid was more than twice the nor the
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average of a typical healthy male
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nailing the diagnosis and so now I'm on
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treatment for for gout but but anyway
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yeah this is what but when I back in
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2011 when I went you know kind of a
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paleo diet I did have for a while
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I did have a great Improvement in my
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arthritis and it led me to read Lauren
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cordain's book The Paleo answer and I
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was just absolutely blown away because I
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was trained in a traditional allopathic
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Medical School the University of
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Colorado School of Medicine I graduated
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33 years ago back in 1990 and
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um
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I don't think we honestly even had five
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minutes worth of nutrition training and
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if we had anything it was wrong Lawrence
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it was wrong and I um and so you know I
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uncovered that after I read an article
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uh by
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um uh Nina teichel's in 2007 in what was
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my journal on health back then which was
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men's fitness
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I think is what it was because I wasn't
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I wasn't researching nutrition in those
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days but her article which I think
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followed some of Gary taub's work opened
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my eyes to the fact that the that the
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Messiah of Kenya and Tanzania consumed a
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massive amount of saturated fat and it
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had no heart disease and I knew at the
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end of this 12 10 or 12 page article or
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whatever it is that that
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that allopathic medicine is wrong
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absolutely wrong and so you know I began
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at that point to just to distrust
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allopathic medicine at least in terms of
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their advice about nutrition which was
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it was either little or none or wrong
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right and so anyway that's kind of been
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you know so so my journey really is born
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out of my own suffering and
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and uh you know like a lot of the people
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in this space I you know I there's so
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many Physicians as you know that have
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gotten into their into nutrition
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research because of their own suffering
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or their own overweight or diabetes or
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you know uh or even heart disease uh you
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know all these things that modern
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medicine has misled us down the you know
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down to go down the wrong path and
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um yeah I when I look back at it quite
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frankly I when I read Lauren cordain's
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book The Paleo answer in 2011
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which I read well while basking in the
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sun uh in Cabo San Lucas for a week I I
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was absolutely stunned that all of this
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chronic disease heart disease cancer
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strokes and all these things I
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understand now that is driven by modern
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processed food it was just life-altering
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and
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um you know that that started my journey
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but I had differences with uh or very
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early on with Lauren cordain's work
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there were some differences and I I have
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immense respect for Lauren cordain but
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we do we do have a couple of differences
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and now I'm friends with him and
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um and it's okay that we have
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differences everybody does and uh but
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but anyway
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um so that that led me down my own path
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to try to understand nutrition in a
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better way and and you know to this day
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you know some 12 years later
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um and still look at all of this and I I
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hear people on podcasts and so forth and
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I still think my gosh I've got so much
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to learn
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uh there's this field is so big and
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there is so much to learn
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um so I've got a long ways to go so I I
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love that story I love that journey and
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you know everybody that I've had on the
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show had some sort of you know their own
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path to take right yourself you had your
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own path when you had been suffering
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from arthritis for those few years and
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and now it's taking you to
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you know
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discovering more and more about yourself
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and meeting meeting a lot of people who
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are uh in the space making friends and
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now helping a lot of people you know
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create that same change in others in
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themselves and and meeting others thank
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you so much for for telling that story
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um it was just great uh and what what
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now led to you you know finding out
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about vegetable oils now no you talked a
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little bit about changing your lifestyle
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to a more paleo diet and what what came
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next after that
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yeah good question so in 2013 after I
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read Lauren I'm sorry after I read
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Weston a Price's book nutrition and
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physical degeneration
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um I began to ruminate on that for
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months and
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um by that point I was understanding
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that at least I knew that processed
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foods which included refined flours
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sugars and vegetable oils and trans fats
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that those are driving all this chronic
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disease coronary heart disease Strokes
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cancers diabetes metabolic syndrome
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obesity I knew that that was the cause
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and all of a sudden one day as an
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ophthalmologist I'd you know I'd been in
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practice uh you know for more than 20
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years at that point in it and taken care
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of thousands and thousands of patients
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with age-related macro degeneration
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which is a degenerate as the name
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implies is it is a degenerative disease
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of the macula the central retina which
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accounts for your central vision
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and it it just this this light bulb went
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on I thought could
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deprocessed foods be driving this
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disease as well and and I I looked and
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looked I spent weeks you know
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investigating the literature just to see
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had anyone ever hypothesized this and I
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couldn't find that this it was in
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anywhere in the scientific literature or
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in the non-scientific literature as far
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as I could tell and so so that was in
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late 2013 and I began to investigate
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that question
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for about the next year and a half and
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by February of 2015 I was so convinced
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that that hypothesis that just processed
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foods were driving age-related macro
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degeneration that I felt compelled to
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leave practice to pursue that full-time
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and that's what I did and I worked with
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a number of ophthalmologists in the
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South Pacific Islands but primarily I
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worked with a nutrition researcher by
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the name of Maria soyanasca from
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Macedonia who is extraordinary
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researcher and dedicated to you know to
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to helping and she she was an expert at
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mining uh vegetable oil and sugar data
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out of out of existing databases and
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that's what she helped me do and we
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worked on that for about a year together
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and
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um and then I waited uh you know
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excitedly and in fear about as the data
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came in you know whether or not it would
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support the hypothesis and lo and behold
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in 25 Nations the data supported the
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hypothesis in every single case but what
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was interesting was that three of the
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Nations that we that we dug data out of
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and worked with Pacific Ireland
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ophthalmologists where they have almost
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no macro degeneration those islands had
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at least according to the FAO they had
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virtually no vegetable oil consumption
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and they had no macro degeneration and
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even in the island the nation and island
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of kiribas the sugar consumption was
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high but the vegetable oil consumption
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was extremely low it's almost zero and
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they had virtually no macular
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degeneration and so so anyway I
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eventually published a paper on this and
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published a book and started a
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non-profit foundation and I'd done
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accomplished that by 2017 and by and but
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I kept coming back to the fact that the
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the more I investigated the more I
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looked at it I you know I found out that
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that the highly polyunsaturated
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vegetable oils are contain a lot of
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omega-6 fatty acids this is linoleic
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acid is that it counts for 90 of the
00:17:03
omega-6 fat in
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um in in a uh you know in whatever you
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would get in your omega-6 out of your
00:17:12
diet ninety percent of that it roughly
00:17:14
is going to be omega-6 Lin oleic acid
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and
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um
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I I uh
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I I I determined I mean I I found all
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the evidence that these oils in higher
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amounts are pro-oxidative
00:17:30
pro-inflammatory directly toxic to cells
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and nutrient deficient meaning they
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don't have the fat soluble vitamins like
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the animal the animal fats would be
00:17:40
associated with and so those are the
00:17:43
four pillars of Hazard I call that that
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um that you know drove me to keep
00:17:50
investigating and dig for more and more
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data to see does this data support the
00:17:55
hypothesis that it's the high omega-6
00:17:58
seed oils driving the primary drivers
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and this is what as you probably have
00:18:03
seen that I've connected this and I'm a
00:18:05
data junkie that I mean I I live by data
00:18:08
I figure if you don't have data you
00:18:10
can't prove anything and so so this is
00:18:14
what I've done which hasn't been done
00:18:16
for the most part I've you know worked
00:18:18
with
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um some other investigators to help we
00:18:21
put together data that shows that over
00:18:25
and over what we see is is the vegetable
00:18:28
oil is going up right along with obesity
00:18:32
metabolic syndrome type 2 diabetes
00:18:35
Alzheimer's age-related macular
00:18:37
degeneration dementia probably all
00:18:40
probably the autoimmune diseases and you
00:18:42
know the list goes on and it's the same
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thing if you look at it historically you
00:18:47
know its exact same situation with what
00:18:50
would be the number you know the number
00:18:51
one killer which is coronary heart
00:18:52
disease because if you go back to the
00:18:54
19th century uh we we know that
00:18:57
um I've looked at all this in great
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detail and this is in my book and and uh
00:19:02
it it's you know I've reviewed this in
00:19:04
many presentations that coronary heart
00:19:06
disease was just virtually unknown in
00:19:09
the in the world in the 19th century
00:19:12
between 1800 and 1900 there's eight
00:19:14
papers on coronary heart disease eight
00:19:18
um there'll probably be eight papers
00:19:19
published on coronary heart disease
00:19:21
while we make this uh you know this uh
00:19:23
this podcast and
00:19:26
um but anyway that's how rare it was and
00:19:29
there and only two or two of those
00:19:31
possibly three depending on how you want
00:19:34
to evaluate those papers reviewed uh
00:19:37
thrombotic coronary heart disease which
00:19:39
is the equivalent of a myocardial
00:19:41
infarction heart attack and so that's
00:19:44
how rare it was in other words the
00:19:45
Physicians without getting into the
00:19:47
great detail the Physicians of that era
00:19:50
they've never seen a heart attack
00:19:52
they never witnessed a heart attack now
00:19:54
some of them had you know they had
00:19:56
witnessed angina chest pain but for the
00:19:58
most part they'd never seen a heart
00:19:59
attack
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um James Herrick published the first
00:20:02
known heart attack in 1912
00:20:05
um in the united in the United States
00:20:07
and document documented that with
00:20:09
autopsy evidence so in 1910 if you want
00:20:12
to think of it this way
00:20:14
that there's virtually no physician had
00:20:16
seen a heart attack and no one had seen
00:20:18
a heart attack they didn't know what it
00:20:19
was in fact they thought you know it
00:20:22
Cardiology was it was it seemed an
00:20:25
absurd specialty in that time because
00:20:27
nobody had any troubles with the heart
00:20:29
that weren't valvular which came out of
00:20:31
infectious disease syphilis uh syphilis
00:20:35
endocarditis uh
00:20:37
um
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a blanket on the third but anyway a
00:20:41
rheumatic fever and um so
00:20:43
so but by the 1930s coronary heart
00:20:46
disease had become the leading cause of
00:20:48
death in the United States and so why is
00:20:51
this well vegetable oils were introduced
00:20:54
in the United States right after the
00:20:56
American Civil War ending in 1865 as a
00:20:59
food they were introduced in 1866 really
00:21:02
and Americans didn't want vegetable oils
00:21:05
they they first of all they weren't
00:21:09
called vegetable oils this the first one
00:21:10
you know that was available was cotton
00:21:13
seed oil in other words I'm saying there
00:21:15
was you know olive oil had been
00:21:18
available in extraordinarily small
00:21:20
amounts you know for for Millennia but
00:21:24
um but no one had ever
00:21:25
you know had any other oil available as
00:21:29
a food and Americans didn't want this
00:21:32
what was being introduced to cottonseed
00:21:34
oil they didn't want that because they
00:21:37
knew that they had Associated that with
00:21:38
being a lamp oil or a machine oil or
00:21:41
potentially even fertilizer back at that
00:21:43
time so so but the manufacturers they
00:21:45
just were looking for profits and they
00:21:47
so they decided that they would what
00:21:50
they did was they began to mix the
00:21:52
cottonseed oil with
00:21:54
um butter to make margarine
00:21:57
now this is one of the first ways to get
00:21:59
into the food supply and the second
00:22:00
thing they did was they began to
00:22:02
adulterate olive oil in the 1870s with
00:22:06
cottonseed oil and I think we sent some
00:22:10
huge number like 80 000 barrels or
00:22:12
something like that to Europe in 1880
00:22:15
and the French made complaint about
00:22:17
because they knew it wasn't olive oil we
00:22:20
were supposed to be sending olive oil
00:22:21
and they and they knew by the taste of
00:22:23
it that it wasn't olive oil that it was
00:22:25
adulterated with something else which
00:22:28
was our cottonseed oil and of course
00:22:30
eventually in in Procter and Gamble
00:22:32
created Crisco which is a partially
00:22:35
hydrogenated fat and that they use the
00:22:39
way they made that was they took
00:22:40
cottonseed oil and they bought your
00:22:41
bubble hydrogen gas through it in the
00:22:44
presence of a metal Catalyst and that
00:22:46
produces these trans fats the The
00:22:49
partially hydrogenated oils but it was
00:22:51
it was firm as everybody knows and it
00:22:54
looked looked kind of like lard so they
00:22:57
so you know their goals were to you know
00:23:00
ultimately their goals of these
00:23:01
manufacturers was to replace butter and
00:23:03
lard they were going to outsell them and
00:23:05
they and indeed that's what exactly what
00:23:07
they did you know they told Americans it
00:23:09
was healthy and they had an
00:23:10
extraordinary campaign and that's how
00:23:12
they you know they gradually so this
00:23:15
this became the perfect storm they
00:23:17
gradually got these oils into the food
00:23:19
supply they they they they hid them in
00:23:22
the food supply they adulterated Foods
00:23:25
you know they they made margarine they
00:23:28
made Crisco
00:23:30
um and gradually we became sick and and
00:23:34
I think it was it and while we're being
00:23:36
told that they're healthy right and so
00:23:39
so when when coronary heart disease
00:23:42
became the leading cause of death
00:23:45
um people weren't looking at the history
00:23:46
very you know really and and something
00:23:48
that precious few you know researchers
00:23:51
have ever done is look at the entire
00:23:54
history and say well what changed in the
00:23:55
environment or I mean in the food supply
00:23:57
and all along it's but you know you just
00:24:00
see this enormous curve of increase so
00:24:02
I'll just give a couple numbers here
00:24:04
Lorenzo shut up but you know we so in if
00:24:07
you look 1865 and this is published we
00:24:10
uh vegetable oil consumption was zero in
00:24:13
the United States there would have been
00:24:15
an extraordinarily small amount of olive
00:24:17
oil I mean it would have been far less
00:24:20
than a tenth of a gram per person per
00:24:22
day
00:24:23
so it's completely negligible by 1900
00:24:27
vegetable oil consumption which was only
00:24:29
cottonseed oil was less than a gram a
00:24:31
day or you know probably a half a gram
00:24:34
to a gram a day somewhere in there
00:24:37
um by 1960 we're at 19 and a half grams
00:24:41
a day uh I'm sorry 1961 uh in the in uh
00:24:46
on average in the United States and by
00:24:48
2010 we're 80 grams of vegetable oil per
00:24:52
person per day so what is that that is
00:24:55
80 grams of fat is 720 calories that's
00:24:58
32 percent of U.S caloric intake and as
00:25:01
you look at that what we see is is over
00:25:03
that time we've become progressively
00:25:06
more obese more diabetic more metabolic
00:25:09
syndrome more Alzheimer's more dementia
00:25:11
more macular degeneration more
00:25:14
autoimmune right all in line with this
00:25:19
wow there's a lot of information here
00:25:22
and thank you so much for telling that
00:25:24
story because
00:25:26
um first of all it was interesting that
00:25:28
when you quit your practice it must have
00:25:31
been so evident to you that you had to
00:25:33
really uh you know take your time and do
00:25:37
it full time so and then you were right
00:25:41
at the end because
00:25:43
all 25 Nations you said right
00:25:46
yeah all 25 Nations has found that you
00:25:51
know the cause the leading cause would
00:25:53
have been vegetable oil
00:25:55
yes and you know I recently watched your
00:25:58
one of your talks uh you know obesity
00:26:01
diabetes and chronic disease and also uh
00:26:03
was listening to your interview with
00:26:05
Casey Ryan on the band you know
00:26:07
boundless body radio uh shout out Casey
00:26:10
and there was this show he mentioned
00:26:12
called How It's Made You know the the
00:26:16
episode was about seed oil and I've seen
00:26:18
that episode and how they make them and
00:26:21
it's incredible process and it's a
00:26:23
miracle on how they were able to even
00:26:25
extract oil from that right
00:26:28
um he had to go through this whole
00:26:29
chemical process you know you like you
00:26:31
mentioned earlier and that fact that it
00:26:33
it's used everywhere and it's hidden
00:26:36
everywhere
00:26:37
and you believe that vegetable oil is
00:26:40
killing us is responsible for obesity
00:26:42
and diabetes um so you talked about this
00:26:47
as the vegetable oils popularity grows
00:26:49
obesity rates also skyrocketed he spoke
00:26:53
about this correlation earlier
00:26:56
um the upward trajectory of obesity
00:26:59
and the increase of usage of vegetables
00:27:02
are undeniable it's it's right there
00:27:05
um
00:27:06
my question is let's you know that's
00:27:08
really concerning and with with
00:27:10
something so dangerous why do you think
00:27:13
the general public hasn't fully grasped
00:27:15
the severity of this issue because
00:27:17
they're still using it my my mom she's
00:27:20
the
00:27:21
wouldn't listen she I don't think they
00:27:24
they're getting that message to that to
00:27:27
the household the household doesn't know
00:27:28
it that doesn't know this yet but you
00:27:32
know if you want to see the graph you
00:27:34
know you can go where can they see the
00:27:37
graph doctor
00:27:38
uh you know I so I probably one of my
00:27:43
one of my most viewed presentations was
00:27:45
uh you know if they just Google Chris
00:27:47
Kenobi
00:27:49
k-n-o-b-e I'm sorry YouTube
00:27:52
um low carb Denver
00:27:54
um this is back when I was a young man
00:27:56
my hair was dark
00:27:58
as another another part of my uh uh
00:28:02
nutrition Journey but anyway
00:28:04
um uh you know I review a lot of this
00:28:07
there um I've got many presentations the
00:28:10
ant you know so they people would want
00:28:12
to view my ancestral Health Symposium uh
00:28:15
presentations
00:28:17
um you know I've covered a lot of this
00:28:18
in those yeah okay yeah so why do you
00:28:21
think the general public has it fully
00:28:22
grasped this is you know something so
00:28:24
dangerous right
00:28:26
right well it's it's
00:28:28
for good reason they've been told it's
00:28:31
healthy and and you know if you go away
00:28:34
if you go back in history a ways back to
00:28:36
19 UH 60 and 61 you know is when this
00:28:41
has been talked about too much I won't
00:28:42
go into detail but um but Ansel Keys was
00:28:46
the the physiologist and researcher at
00:28:48
the University of Minnesota that
00:28:50
influenced the American Heart
00:28:51
Association so greatly uh and
00:28:55
um and they together with a group of
00:29:00
like-minded
00:29:02
um influencers uh
00:29:05
they influenced the American Heart
00:29:08
Association to to you know to endorse
00:29:10
the idea that saturated fats cause heart
00:29:14
disease and vegetable oils in low in
00:29:17
saturated lower in saturated fat you
00:29:19
know would have
00:29:21
um uh benefits and this this really
00:29:24
stuck and this was the this was the
00:29:27
belief system that's guided you know
00:29:30
medicines
00:29:32
um endorsement of vegetable oils ever
00:29:34
since and so we have our you know our
00:29:36
major organizations today like you know
00:29:38
the the Harvard School of Public Health
00:29:41
Tufts universities Nutrition department
00:29:43
Mayo clinics Nutrition department
00:29:47
um Cleveland Clinic's Nutrition
00:29:48
department uh of course the American
00:29:50
Heart Association to this day they're
00:29:52
all
00:29:53
recommending you consume vegetable oils
00:29:56
and keep your saturated fat low like the
00:30:00
even the World Health Organization still
00:30:02
tells us today keep your saturated fat
00:30:03
under 10 and the American Heart
00:30:05
Association says no more than five to
00:30:07
six percent so they're telling people
00:30:10
consume these vegetable oils and I'm
00:30:12
telling people these are chronic
00:30:14
metabolic biological poisons and they
00:30:17
are because of the high omega-6 and the
00:30:20
fact that they also contain toxic
00:30:22
aldehydes and if they don't contain
00:30:24
these toxic aldehydes which we can get
00:30:26
into if you want to but if they don't
00:30:28
contain them you will produce them in
00:30:30
your body when you consume these high
00:30:32
levels of omega-6 fat
00:30:35
which we accumulate in our body and and
00:30:37
sets off this you know this whole
00:30:39
pro-oxidative environment and and thank
00:30:42
you for just telling about that history
00:30:43
because I think that's really important
00:30:45
to know because without telling that
00:30:47
history there's no way for people to
00:30:48
understand why this is happening you
00:30:50
know you mentioned Ansel keys and and
00:30:53
his hypothesis and and anything that uh
00:30:57
come up and then you mentioned I'm the
00:30:59
American Heart Association which
00:31:01
which uh
00:31:03
you know funds most of these
00:31:05
organizations funds most of this
00:31:07
research right and when a and you know
00:31:11
this is just what I heard and whenever
00:31:14
something opposes their hypothesis they
00:31:17
are quick to shut it down or not fund
00:31:20
them and not publish them
00:31:23
um that's what I heard and that's what I
00:31:25
believe that uh causes that major issue
00:31:28
because they they it's that agenda that
00:31:30
we talk about
00:31:32
um that's really yeah the big food and
00:31:36
the uh vegetable oil organizations are
00:31:39
funding some of our major nutrition
00:31:41
organizations and this is why like Tufts
00:31:45
University their their recent I I forget
00:31:47
what it's called but they're you know
00:31:49
their recommendations for
00:31:51
for uh healthy food
00:31:54
um includes a bunch of uh uh you know
00:31:57
ridiculously processed foods I can't
00:32:00
think of what what they are right off
00:32:01
the top of my head but why is that well
00:32:04
this is where their funding is coming
00:32:06
from is from big food and vegetable oil
00:32:10
uh manufacturers
00:32:12
um are and and so they because they have
00:32:15
very deep pockets and they're they they
00:32:18
can fund a lot of This research they're
00:32:20
influencing the research and they're
00:32:23
they're influencing these organizations
00:32:25
and yeah it's but you know Americans are
00:32:27
not stupid and they they they you know
00:32:31
for example
00:32:33
um there there's a there's a published
00:32:36
article that shows that I think it was
00:32:38
70 of Americans believe that coconut oil
00:32:41
which is the highest saturated fat oil
00:32:44
there is
00:32:46
um with only it only has two percent
00:32:49
omega-6 linoleic acid it's 91 to 95
00:32:53
saturated fat
00:32:55
Americans believe 70 of them that
00:32:58
coconut oil is healthy but guess what
00:33:00
you know Harvard tells us it's dangerous
00:33:03
right that's what they tell us it's a
00:33:06
dangerous fat and so it this is this is
00:33:09
proof that Americans are waking up and
00:33:12
they're saying look you know we cannot
00:33:14
trust Harvard and I think there's in a
00:33:17
Essence they're saying we can't trust
00:33:18
Tufts you know the nutrition departments
00:33:21
at Tufts and mayo and Cleveland Clinic
00:33:23
and so on when they're telling us to
00:33:25
consume these vegetables they're
00:33:26
starting to get the idea I think that a
00:33:28
lot of people are starting to get the
00:33:29
idea that that these oils are indeed
00:33:33
dangerous and and I'll just say one
00:33:36
other thing
00:33:37
Lawrence is that
00:33:38
if you ask the question well why do they
00:33:41
recommend these organizations like
00:33:43
Harvard why are they recommending
00:33:45
vegetable oils what possible good could
00:33:48
could there be come from it and there's
00:33:50
one reason I can't I've looked and
00:33:53
looked and looked and I can't come up
00:33:54
with any other thing other than one
00:33:56
reason and it's the fact that they lower
00:33:58
LDL cholesterol and indeed they do and I
00:34:03
I kind of half ingest say you know when
00:34:06
I'm speaking live on stage
00:34:09
so does Arsenic lower LDL cholesterol it
00:34:13
does and it does it for the same reasons
00:34:16
that I think that you know that uh
00:34:20
vegetable oil is lower uh LDL
00:34:22
cholesterol because they it they both
00:34:25
are strong oxidants and oxidation which
00:34:29
is like rusting inside your body is an
00:34:31
incredibly dangerous process I mean a
00:34:35
good dose of arsenic will kill you in a
00:34:38
day why because of oxidation and guess
00:34:41
what this is exactly what vegetable oils
00:34:43
are doing to us except they don't do it
00:34:45
in a day I don't think if you drink a
00:34:46
half a gallon of vegetable oil that
00:34:48
you'll die tonight
00:34:50
um but you know but they're killing us
00:34:53
uh over over a long period of time
00:34:56
because they're chronic metabolic
00:34:57
biological poisons then they've
00:34:59
accomplished this primarily through
00:35:01
oxidation and when so vegetable oils the
00:35:04
omega-6 is incorporated into LDL
00:35:07
cholesterol and it causes because those
00:35:10
are unsaturated fats which are highly
00:35:12
prone oxidation the LDL cholesterol
00:35:15
oxidizes and when it oxidizes we call it
00:35:19
a different name LDL Ox for oxidation
00:35:21
and that is the LDL that is then taken
00:35:25
up into your arteries in the form of
00:35:28
atherosclerotic plaques it's pulled out
00:35:30
of circulation and pulled into the um
00:35:34
through the endothelium and into the the
00:35:36
uh the adventitia
00:35:38
uh where it begins and propagates an
00:35:41
atherosclerotic plaque and so yes this
00:35:44
is why your cholesterol does go down
00:35:46
your and it and for exactly the the
00:35:50
wrong reason that you hoped it would
00:35:52
right and so you know there's so much
00:35:56
evidence that LDL cholesterol if it's
00:35:58
unoxidized it has no danger whatsoever
00:36:01
so this is why if you look at LDL
00:36:05
cholesterol it can be all over the board
00:36:07
has absolutely zero almost zero
00:36:10
relationship with coronary heart disease
00:36:12
it has to be oxidized
00:36:14
the way we talk about visual oil right
00:36:17
now you know if you're listening you
00:36:18
have to stop using it right away because
00:36:21
look at you know what we've described
00:36:23
here it's heart disease obesity
00:36:26
type 2 diabetes oh all of these are in
00:36:28
the top but the top killers in in
00:36:32
America right so are we saying if we
00:36:35
just stop
00:36:36
uh taking in vegetable oil cooking with
00:36:39
vegetable oil but the problem is now Dr
00:36:41
Chris is it's all it's hidden everywhere
00:36:43
like your pastry has it your fast food
00:36:46
has it it's it's it's everywhere and
00:36:49
it's like how do how should we look at
00:36:52
vegetable oil now like now that we know
00:36:55
this information
00:36:57
it's it's you you mentioned you talked
00:37:01
about vegetables are killing us and it's
00:37:02
hidden everywhere right how do you look
00:37:05
at vegetable now uh personally
00:37:09
yeah so
00:37:12
let me say that I think you know the big
00:37:15
picture to me is really simple
00:37:19
I I just tell people you know you have
00:37:22
to if you want to be healthy or get
00:37:24
healthy if you have any chronic disease
00:37:27
conditions you have to eliminate
00:37:29
vegetable oil it you know it's it now
00:37:32
it's harder than it sounds but here's
00:37:35
how you can simplify that is prepare
00:37:37
your own food and let me name these
00:37:40
these highly polyunsaturated vegetable
00:37:42
oils the ones that I would tell
00:37:44
everybody to get off their list and
00:37:46
their soybean corn canola cottonseed
00:37:49
rapeseed grape seed sunflower safflower
00:37:52
rice bran Sesame and peanut oils those
00:37:56
are the ones that are high in omega-6
00:37:58
linoleic acid they're all above 20
00:38:01
omega-6 linoleic acid they range from 20
00:38:04
percent with canola oil up to 78 percent
00:38:07
with um safflower oil and
00:38:11
um and you know uh the two the two most
00:38:14
commonly used oils in the United States
00:38:16
by Far and Away number one is soybean
00:38:18
oil and it's about 54 to 56
00:38:20
omega-6 linoleic acid and again that's
00:38:23
the the omega-6 component that we want
00:38:26
to avoid
00:38:28
um
00:38:29
at all costs well let's contrast that to
00:38:32
what is the omega-6 linoleic acid in
00:38:35
butter
00:38:36
uh good quality lard uh you know coming
00:38:40
from pigs raised naturally and not on
00:38:43
corn and soy and or even chicken fat on
00:38:46
chickens raised naturally without corn
00:38:50
and soy which raises their omega-6 but
00:38:52
anyway those animals they're omega-6 and
00:38:55
their body fat will all be around two to
00:38:58
two and a half percent or even lower
00:39:00
butter is is roughly one and a half
00:39:03
percent to two percent omega-6 linoleic
00:39:06
acid and that's where you know that's
00:39:08
where all the natural animal fats would
00:39:11
be and of course this is what we're this
00:39:14
is the added fats that that you know
00:39:18
have been uh Staples of diets worldwide
00:39:22
for all of history and
00:39:26
um so this is what you need to go back
00:39:27
to but how do you do that is you mainly
00:39:31
I think you have to eliminate processed
00:39:34
foods and you have to be extraordinarily
00:39:37
careful if you're eating out
00:39:40
and today I think the statistic that I
00:39:43
recall is that Americans are consuming
00:39:46
about 50 percent of their Foods away
00:39:49
from home meaning those are foods
00:39:52
prepared in restaurants or prepared in
00:39:55
fast you know their fast food which is
00:39:57
about 18 of the American diet or in
00:40:00
cafeterias like at hospitals which serve
00:40:02
terrible food because they endorse this
00:40:04
idea of vegetables like they typically
00:40:06
are going to put soybean or Canola in
00:40:08
there in their foods and so so this is
00:40:12
all
00:40:13
um this is all exceedingly dangerous so
00:40:15
I say the number one way to get healthy
00:40:18
and eliminate these oils is prepare your
00:40:21
own food like you know we prepare and I
00:40:24
cook all the time but we prepare like
00:40:25
around I would say close to 95 of our
00:40:29
food at home and then you're in complete
00:40:32
control and you can you can cook with I
00:40:34
would say cook with butter and unless
00:40:36
you can't tolerate better for some
00:40:38
reason coconut oil would be your next
00:40:41
best choice or Palm kernel oil those are
00:40:45
both two percent omega-6 linoleic acid
00:40:48
olive oil is this is a complicated topic
00:40:53
but I'll try to simplify olive oil on
00:40:55
average is about 10
00:40:57
omega-6 linoleic acid but it runs the
00:40:59
gamut from around two percent up to 20
00:41:02
or I'm sorry three percent up to 22
00:41:05
percent
00:41:06
omega-6 linoleic acid so you don't know
00:41:08
what you're getting number two is is
00:41:10
that 79 of the um of the olive oil in
00:41:14
the United States is either adulterated
00:41:16
or can't meet good quality criteria set
00:41:19
forth by the North American olive oil
00:41:21
Association that uh whatever that is the
00:41:24
naoa I believe it is um or oh I've got
00:41:28
those wrong but anyway North American
00:41:29
olive oil Association is what is what
00:41:33
qualifies those and so here the problem
00:41:36
is oh you've got you know eight out of
00:41:38
ten bottles of uh of so-called olive oil
00:41:42
are you know they're they're poor
00:41:45
quality and or a whole lot of those are
00:41:47
adulterated again this adulteration that
00:41:50
began in the 1870s in the U.S of oils it
00:41:53
can it continues and it's even worse
00:41:55
today and it's true in Europe and
00:41:58
probably everywhere because there
00:42:01
there's a whole underground operation
00:42:03
adulterating these oils for profit so
00:42:06
you have to be so if you're going to
00:42:08
consume olive oil let's say make
00:42:10
absolutely certain that you've proven
00:42:12
for sure it is an authentic fresh oil I
00:42:15
would probably want to visit the um the
00:42:18
company that
00:42:20
um that where the olives are grown and
00:42:22
see it and know for sure that that's
00:42:25
what you're consuming otherwise I just I
00:42:27
think it's you got to be very careful
00:42:29
you have to do your a lot of
00:42:30
Investigation if you're going to consume
00:42:31
olive oil absolutely that's a great
00:42:33
point and also I want to go back Dr
00:42:35
Chris to the heart disease point because
00:42:39
so are we saying that the fact that we
00:42:41
have it wrong we have it wrong uh of
00:42:44
what causes heart disease that's been
00:42:46
causing this rise in uh vegetable usage
00:42:51
because
00:42:52
if if vegetable oil hasn't has never
00:42:55
been discovered then you're saying we
00:43:00
don't we wouldn't have any
00:43:03
obesity epidemic or heart disease
00:43:05
epidemic basically
00:43:08
yeah I really I think we wouldn't now
00:43:11
if if you're if your diet was
00:43:15
you can have a terrible diet without
00:43:17
vegetable oil by eating processed foods
00:43:20
that don't have vegetable oil and you
00:43:23
will get degenerative diseases
00:43:25
um just as Pride Western price found
00:43:27
back in the 1930s
00:43:29
you if I think if you don't have any
00:43:33
vegetable oils at all your risk of
00:43:35
having obesity and probably diabetes
00:43:38
drops
00:43:40
drops incredibly the uh uh to incredibly
00:43:45
low levels
00:43:46
um I think it's almost impossible to
00:43:49
develop diabetes without higher omega-6
00:43:52
diet so but if let's just say that your
00:43:55
diet if your diet is you know loaded
00:43:58
with sugar and refined flowers
00:44:01
um but no vegetable oils you're going to
00:44:03
get degenerative disease and and
00:44:07
um that will include dental decay and
00:44:09
probably arthritis and may may even
00:44:13
involve you know it probably will
00:44:15
involve a substantially higher risk of
00:44:17
cancer
00:44:19
um so
00:44:21
um so you don't want that either and the
00:44:23
worst case scenario is when you put all
00:44:26
that together so you have a nutrient
00:44:27
deficient diet with significant added
00:44:30
sugars and refined flowers again
00:44:32
processed foods and then you have the
00:44:34
vegetable oils you put in there which
00:44:37
creates you know even further nutrient
00:44:39
deficiency plus all the the
00:44:40
pro-oxidative and toxic environment and
00:44:43
now you've got The Perfect Storm to
00:44:46
create just massive disease and this is
00:44:49
exactly where we are today especially in
00:44:52
the United States which is the you know
00:44:54
where we have the the leading the
00:44:57
highest obesity in the world of all the
00:45:00
developed Nations 42 and a half percent
00:45:02
obesity in 2018.
00:45:05
um yeah uh you know we ranks amongst the
00:45:08
hot you know the highest of the
00:45:09
developed nations in diabetes
00:45:12
um you know we're really just about the
00:45:14
worst in in most most metrics the fact
00:45:18
that you know
00:45:20
we are a calories and calories out
00:45:23
nation that you know that's what we
00:45:26
that's what the doctors say too you have
00:45:28
to lose weight exercise more the fact
00:45:29
that they say that it I think as on to
00:45:34
this problem because if someone's obese
00:45:37
and your doctor says you just gotta eat
00:45:39
less exercise more no mention of
00:45:41
vegetable oil no mention of uh sugar or
00:45:45
carbs no mention of anything but just
00:45:47
eating less and exercising more
00:45:49
it it puts the blame and the honest on
00:45:52
the person who's suffering from obesity
00:45:54
not vegetable oil
00:45:57
I think adds on to exactly it's that
00:46:00
it's that mindset of you got if you're
00:46:04
fat you gotta eat less exercise more uh
00:46:06
and put and go on a low-fat diet
00:46:10
right yeah you know
00:46:12
right yeah I think it was I think Robert
00:46:15
lustig said a long time ago you know if
00:46:17
if telling people to eat less and
00:46:20
exercise more worked we would have
00:46:22
solved this would have been solved a
00:46:24
long time ago
00:46:25
um it's a it's a dangerous message and
00:46:29
um it it's it's a message that is
00:46:34
um just absolutely uh 100 wrong
00:46:36
responsible oh it is irresponsible yeah
00:46:39
if this is what you say if vegetable
00:46:41
oils are actually killing us and I I
00:46:43
believe so right because I've taken it
00:46:47
out my diet and I feel great and I've
00:46:49
seen a lot of people changed their
00:46:52
lifestyle and and how and how they you
00:46:54
know how they have you know uh reverse
00:46:59
chronic illnesses like type 2 diabetes
00:47:01
and obesity
00:47:02
it's it I believe it's so much but as
00:47:06
you can say if if vegetable oils are
00:47:07
killing us
00:47:08
then
00:47:10
since it's everywhere it's everywhere
00:47:12
it's in baked goods right it's it's in
00:47:15
processed foods it's in fast foods
00:47:17
it's
00:47:19
it's really hard to really push this
00:47:21
message out and I I have have you have
00:47:25
you seen any pushback or anything from
00:47:28
your uh community that have you seen
00:47:32
that tried to silence you in any way
00:47:38
uh I'll tell you it's been incredibly
00:47:41
hard to publish
00:47:43
um this evidence
00:47:45
um we're up against that as we speak
00:47:48
um there has not you know we tried
00:47:51
including some of my
00:47:54
um Ophthalmology colleagues
00:47:56
we tried for several years to get on
00:47:58
stages to present this at conferences
00:48:02
um and uh and I'm again and with retina
00:48:05
specialist colleagues
00:48:07
um included in my group and we were
00:48:10
turned down every single time and I
00:48:12
stopped I stopped even submitting
00:48:14
abstracts back in 2019 or 2020 because
00:48:17
it was just in and at this point a total
00:48:20
waste in time until we get more papers
00:48:22
uh published they don't want to hear it
00:48:26
um so there's been a lot of pushback
00:48:27
there
00:48:29
um I will say quite frankly that you
00:48:31
know
00:48:32
um the some of the low carb Community
00:48:35
does does not appreciate my work because
00:48:39
um you know this this work you know
00:48:41
shows that it it's really not about
00:48:45
macronutrient ratios we you know we see
00:48:48
macronutrient ratios in healthy
00:48:49
populations that are all over the board
00:48:52
I've presented on this you know many
00:48:54
many times now that you know for example
00:48:57
I'll just give a couple of examples that
00:48:59
you know I've shown that like the the uh
00:49:02
the Maasai uh Warriors of Kenya and
00:49:05
Tanzania their their diet is 66 animal
00:49:09
fat uh 14 carbohydrate and
00:49:13
um where do they get all their fats all
00:49:15
coming from uh milk and uh their their
00:49:19
cows put out very very high amount of
00:49:21
fat but anyway so 66 animal fat their
00:49:24
diet's 40 to 46 percent saturated animal
00:49:27
fat they're incredibly healthy people
00:49:30
they don't have heart disease they don't
00:49:32
have diabetes they don't have obesity or
00:49:35
even overweight really
00:49:37
um incredibly lean and fit
00:49:40
um so
00:49:41
um you know that's that's that should
00:49:44
tell us everything we need to know about
00:49:45
saturated fat right there the TOC
00:49:47
allowance traditionally their diet was
00:49:50
you know
00:49:52
um based largely on coconut starts to uh
00:49:57
coconut fish starchy tubers and fruit
00:49:59
their diet is 50
00:50:02
saturated fat in the man 51 saturated
00:50:05
fat in the women I believe it was or 49
00:50:08
and 51 but anyway they average 50
00:50:10
percent saturated fat in their diet
00:50:13
that's the highest saturated fat diet in
00:50:15
the world
00:50:16
um they uh yeah they have no heart
00:50:18
disease no diabetes no will be virtually
00:50:21
no obesity they're incredibly healthy
00:50:24
the Papua New guineans of tucasenta
00:50:27
shown way back by Senate white studied
00:50:30
them for four years it's the most
00:50:31
comprehensive study of a of a
00:50:36
hunter-gatherer population in all of
00:50:38
history and one of the most you know
00:50:41
well-completed constructed studies the
00:50:44
Papua New guineans of tucasento were
00:50:46
consuming more than 90 of their diet as
00:50:48
sweet potatoes their diet was 94.6
00:50:51
carbohydrate three percent fat 2.4
00:50:54
percent protein
00:50:56
um and yet they were lean fit had no
00:51:01
diabetes had no heart disease they had
00:51:04
they weren't perfect health they had
00:51:06
dental decay that was severe and they
00:51:09
had arthritis that was pretty severe and
00:51:11
I I think this was primarily driven by
00:51:14
the fact that they had so little uh
00:51:17
animal foods which I I'm sorry I didn't
00:51:19
mention was they would occasionally
00:51:20
Feast on pork and chicken so they're the
00:51:22
closest population I've ever seen to
00:51:25
being completely vegan
00:51:27
um you know but but they're not vegan
00:51:28
they would they would Feast on pork when
00:51:30
they could
00:51:32
um but it wasn't very often and they
00:51:33
would rarely eat chicken but anyway way
00:51:36
but that's gives them so little fat
00:51:38
soluble vitamins I think that drove this
00:51:40
you know their their dental decay and
00:51:43
their joint Decay leading to the
00:51:45
arthritis perhaps it could be that the
00:51:47
high Omega or the high uh sweet potatoes
00:51:50
is driving High oxalate too that could
00:51:52
be an issue I don't know for sure
00:51:56
um you know the okinawans I I might be
00:51:58
going on here too long with the
00:51:59
okinawans very similar to the Papua New
00:52:02
guineans of the Tucson in a lot of ways
00:52:04
their diet in up through uh 1950 and was
00:52:09
um and based on centuries of evidence
00:52:12
um was
00:52:13
85
00:52:15
sweet potatoes and then they consumed
00:52:19
significant pork and then vegetables but
00:52:21
that was their diet traditionally and
00:52:23
then after 1950 their diets are going
00:52:25
down in sweet potatoes and
00:52:28
um they they began to consume more uh
00:52:31
More westernized Foods right and they
00:52:34
began to consume more vegetable oils but
00:52:36
you know in 1960 they were in phenomenal
00:52:38
Health at a diet of 84 the same with the
00:52:41
Japanese the mainland Japanese whose
00:52:43
diet was all white right I mean it was
00:52:44
84 white rice
00:52:47
um they were both in phenomenal health
00:52:48
and uh but over the next five decades
00:52:52
their um their carbohydrates went down
00:52:55
their
00:52:57
um their total calories went down their
00:53:00
sugar went down after 1989 and but
00:53:03
they're but their vegetable oils went
00:53:05
from nine grams a day in 1961 up to 39
00:53:10
grams a day a four and a half old
00:53:11
increase by 2004 I believe it was
00:53:14
and with that obesity in the men during
00:53:17
that period doubled it went from 16 to
00:53:20
31 approximately breast cancer went up
00:53:24
five-fold
00:53:26
um during that during that period
00:53:28
multiple other cancers cancers went up
00:53:30
you know more double to Triple or more
00:53:34
um
00:53:35
uh age-related macular degeneration went
00:53:38
up 82 fold from 0.2 percent in the 1970s
00:53:42
to uh sixteen point three seven percent
00:53:45
I believe it was by 2013. 82-fold
00:53:48
increase in macular degeneration and
00:53:50
then the the the one that tops them all
00:53:53
diabetes went from point zero two
00:53:55
percent in 1954 to
00:54:00
um I think it's six point something
00:54:02
percent in about 2007 I believe anyway
00:54:07
it went up 345 fold
00:54:10
in diabetes so while their calories went
00:54:13
down their carbohydrates went down and
00:54:15
their sugar was going down after 1989.
00:54:17
their diabetes and obesity and and
00:54:22
Cancers
00:54:24
um
00:54:24
you know uh all going through the roof
00:54:27
right there's really like there's what
00:54:29
are you going to point your finger at
00:54:31
and their smoking went way down
00:54:34
um during that period went way down from
00:54:36
78 or I believe it was in 19 you know
00:54:39
six in the 19 around 1960 down to 40
00:54:42
some percent by the 2000s so um yeah
00:54:46
it's the evidence just always leads me
00:54:49
back to you know it's it's yeah it's
00:54:51
best it's highly polyunsaturated
00:54:53
vegetable oil so if there's any takeaway
00:54:55
here Dr Chris I think you know you we
00:54:57
talk about just uh you know as you can
00:55:00
see like at this point for Generations
00:55:03
we are
00:55:05
genetically genetically compromised like
00:55:08
it
00:55:10
Americans or they've been eating this
00:55:13
way for for generations and were
00:55:16
genetically compromised and I believe
00:55:17
that you know
00:55:19
having to go into I mean people in the
00:55:24
low carb or keto world right I believe
00:55:27
going into ketosis having that
00:55:29
therapeutic effect has that effect on
00:55:30
our bodies to heal itself
00:55:34
um but I I believe that
00:55:36
I believe what you're saying that
00:55:39
and and there's proof in the pudding
00:55:41
here when you talked about the evidence
00:55:43
that we have in front of us
00:55:46
um as you can see like vegetable oils
00:55:47
today 51 of Americans are either
00:55:49
diabetic or pre-diabetic this is in 2016
00:55:53
and 34 million are diabetic
00:55:56
so there's there's evidence there and if
00:55:59
you can if you guys all the listeners
00:56:01
right now if you guys can go to uh Dr
00:56:04
Chris Kenobi we'll link it down in the
00:56:06
description box below uh watch is full
00:56:09
uh uh watches for presentation and on on
00:56:14
this topic and I believe that this will
00:56:16
you know shed some light on those
00:56:19
pressing questions that you have right
00:56:20
now
00:56:22
um go there and it will there will be
00:56:24
your answers will be your questions will
00:56:27
be answered over there but uh like like
00:56:29
I said it is uh it is I'm open to
00:56:32
learning a lot more about this and
00:56:34
reading more about reading in on more
00:56:37
about your book uh the ancestral
00:56:40
um
00:56:41
what was that called I'm sorry
00:56:44
uh the ancestral diet Revolution I have
00:56:47
to think about it myself yeah
00:56:51
and yeah there's a lot here that I wanna
00:56:55
get into and yeah it'll it should be
00:56:58
published on May 15th awesome yeah
00:57:01
that's yeah um yeah no you know I want
00:57:04
to could I just say interject one thing
00:57:06
here
00:57:07
um Lawrence is that
00:57:09
um I I do believe that in general that
00:57:12
the low carb diets have you know have
00:57:14
have helped people
00:57:16
um substantially more than low fat and
00:57:19
and uh but I I believe and I've been
00:57:22
investigating this and and actually
00:57:24
presenting on this since 2019 at the
00:57:26
ancestral Health Symposium I first
00:57:28
presented this evidence that that I
00:57:31
think the main reason that low carb is
00:57:33
working is because number a well first I
00:57:37
don't even talk about this so much but
00:57:38
when if you go low carb you obviously
00:57:41
you're getting rid of you're generally
00:57:43
you're getting rid of sugar and refined
00:57:45
flowers right so that that's a that's
00:57:47
beneficial right there if you do that
00:57:49
number two though and I think more even
00:57:51
more important is that
00:57:54
the carbohydrates are associated with
00:57:57
vegetable oils in processed food in
00:58:00
restaurant food and in fast food so
00:58:02
think about it you know it's the
00:58:04
potatoes the rice and the pasta and even
00:58:08
the bread that is associated with
00:58:11
vegetable oils so if you just eliminate
00:58:13
those even though you don't you don't
00:58:15
really think about the fact that you're
00:58:16
getting rid of these oils but you know
00:58:18
if you don't have french fries you don't
00:58:20
have potato chips you don't have you
00:58:23
know I don't know pancakes made in you
00:58:25
know cooked in vegetable oil for you
00:58:27
know you just go on and on you know all
00:58:29
these rice dishes like a lot of the
00:58:31
Asian dishes they're they're all being
00:58:34
cooked in vegetable oil now like Chinese
00:58:36
restaurants Japanese restaurants Korean
00:58:39
restaurants and Indian restaurants I
00:58:41
can't find a one who's none of them are
00:58:43
cooking with animal fat they didn't a
00:58:46
lot of them don't even a lot of most
00:58:47
restaurants you know especially fast
00:58:51
foods restaurants they're never going to
00:58:52
have butter they're not going to have
00:58:54
even a a gram of butter in the
00:58:57
restaurant they have you know five
00:59:00
gallon containers of vegetable oil and
00:59:03
that's what goes into their food so in
00:59:05
other words so when you when you when
00:59:07
you go low carb you're dropping your
00:59:10
omega-6 typically
00:59:12
without even realizing it I think this
00:59:14
is the primary reason that low carb is
00:59:17
is working but if people understand this
00:59:20
in my view then you know it opens up the
00:59:24
uh the possibility to change your your
00:59:26
diet in a way that works better for you
00:59:28
so I support low carb I support low fat
00:59:32
bodybuilders
00:59:35
bodybuilders are you know historically I
00:59:38
I you know I've been in gyms you know
00:59:40
for 40 years and I've been around a lot
00:59:42
of had a lot of bodybuilder friends and
00:59:45
they they're all they're all low-fat
00:59:47
guys pretty much
00:59:49
um until recently they've almost all
00:59:51
been low fat and it's all and it's
00:59:53
published scientific evidence in the in
00:59:55
the 90s too their diets were very some
00:59:58
of them very very low fat like 10 fat
01:00:01
um they use you know they use upwards of
01:00:03
and they they consider carbs much more
01:00:05
valuable and important to them than
01:00:08
protein even because carbohydrates are
01:00:11
protein sparing you know their muscles
01:00:13
sparing and so it's very interesting you
01:00:16
know the leanest guys on the planet the
01:00:20
bodybuilders they're using high carb
01:00:22
diets to get there usually you know only
01:00:24
in the last decade have I seen bodybuild
01:00:27
any bodybuilders using um using
01:00:30
um low carb diets yeah yeah other than
01:00:33
for cutting like they do it for cutting
01:00:34
you know for cutting but then they go
01:00:37
back to their high carb you know to
01:00:39
um yeah for the show that's a great
01:00:41
point because now nowadays
01:00:43
uh now we talk about uh you know sugary
01:00:46
baked goods we use they use vegetable
01:00:48
oils restaurants to use vegetable oils
01:00:51
um and just cutting out uh just cutting
01:00:54
out the junk the junk Foods the chips
01:00:55
and everything
01:00:57
the processed foods you will feel so
01:00:59
much better right right and now we
01:01:02
talked about you know getting rid of the
01:01:03
sugar getting the refined carbohydrates
01:01:06
and
01:01:07
and what I think I think eliminating
01:01:10
those things are one thing and another
01:01:12
thing for me for for keto is also is its
01:01:16
therapeutic effects now because we when
01:01:18
you're in on ketosis you release beta
01:01:20
hydroxybutyrate which is a ketone body
01:01:22
that's made by the liver and that has
01:01:25
therapeutic effects too in
01:01:27
in
01:01:28
repairing the cells in in the
01:01:30
mitochondria and that has a therapeutic
01:01:33
effect in in you know mental health and
01:01:36
then just your overall health I believe
01:01:37
that is too and I know you talked about
01:01:39
the elimination part of things which is
01:01:43
very very important in in changing your
01:01:45
your lifestyle and most of the things
01:01:49
that if you just cut the process which
01:01:51
is to cut the seed oils that you use at
01:01:53
home you'll feel so much better
01:01:56
like I guarantee yeah without even yeah
01:01:59
without even going to Keto
01:02:02
right and I I would say to people
01:02:05
um you know wouldn't it be phenomenal to
01:02:08
know that you cannot die of heart
01:02:13
disease the number one killer and you
01:02:14
cannot die or ever get a major cancer I
01:02:19
believe you can know that and you know
01:02:22
if you I believe if you go on an
01:02:24
ancestral diet and you have a
01:02:26
nutrient-dense diet
01:02:28
um you know which may include uh you
01:02:31
know foods like liver
01:02:33
um or um cold pressed uh uh cod liver
01:02:37
oil for example so make sure your
01:02:39
vitamins a d and K2 are high and you're
01:02:42
you know you're not getting any of these
01:02:44
toxic foods you've eliminated the
01:02:46
processed foods and I believe in general
01:02:48
probably if you've done this for three
01:02:50
to five years
01:02:52
I don't think you know you I don't think
01:02:54
you can get heart uh uh I don't think
01:02:57
you can die of heart disease and I don't
01:02:58
think that it's possible to develop a
01:03:00
major cancer at all I think it will
01:03:03
almost entirely go away unless you're
01:03:05
exposed to a major carcinogen
01:03:08
um I I and even if you are exposed to
01:03:10
Major carcinogens the evidence shows
01:03:12
that you're if you drop your omega-6
01:03:16
linoleic acid consumption down to one
01:03:18
per you know less than two percent and
01:03:20
even as low as one percent or less which
01:03:23
is ancestral
01:03:24
um does I make a big point of this in
01:03:26
the book that it's it's very very very
01:03:29
difficult to develop cancer
01:03:31
um even if exposed to radiation or
01:03:33
carcinogens and
01:03:36
um you know uh so there's so so yeah you
01:03:40
know you it I think it's just great to
01:03:42
know these things and you can reverse
01:03:43
diabetes you know doing this this is how
01:03:46
you reverse diabetes is you go to an a
01:03:48
low omega-6 diet you just eliminate the
01:03:51
vegetable oil so you eliminate the high
01:03:53
omega-6 from animals that are you know
01:03:55
that are fed corn and soy oh well beat
01:03:58
uh pigs and chickens that are fed that
01:04:00
and have a high omega-6 but this is how
01:04:02
you get healthy and stay healthy and you
01:04:04
prevent all this disease this is great
01:04:06
this is great news for a lot of people
01:04:08
because if if we say that we don't have
01:04:11
to be on a certain diet and just get rid
01:04:14
of seed oils now I know that it also
01:04:16
means that you know you're baking your
01:04:19
own uh baked goods you're making your
01:04:21
own cookies or whatever or you're not
01:04:23
you're not going to restaurants anymore
01:04:25
because like you mentioned earlier
01:04:26
there's not a lot there's no not many
01:04:28
that doesn't anymore these days right
01:04:30
and right you just eliminate seed oils
01:04:33
makes it a lot simpler for people to
01:04:35
understand
01:04:37
and which is a which is awesome for a
01:04:39
lot of people it's a great news for a
01:04:40
lot of people
01:04:42
um Dr Chris thank you so much for coming
01:04:44
on and sharing that story with us and
01:04:46
sharing your your knowledge about this
01:04:48
topic this is great news for a lot of
01:04:50
people
01:04:51
yes lorenza I appreciate you having me
01:04:53
on I and here at the very end I kept
01:04:56
meaning every time you called me Dr
01:04:57
Chris I kept meaning to say you know
01:04:59
it's just Chris I don't I don't let
01:05:02
anybody call me doctor really so
01:05:05
um anyway I appreciate it though and
01:05:07
and uh it's been it's been an honor to
01:05:10
be on your show it's my honor Dr Chris
01:05:12
Kenobi thank you so much for coming on
01:05:13
and sharing your story with us today if
01:05:15
you guys want to grab the book it's out
01:05:17
on May 15th right yes and then we'll
01:05:20
link it all in the description box below
01:05:22
guys and yeah I hope you guys are taking
01:05:25
notes there's a lot here and I would
01:05:28
recommend following Dr Chris Kenobi uh
01:05:32
he's all over YouTube he's he has uh
01:05:36
tremendous work on on vegetable oils and
01:05:39
this topic so uh get on that guys and I
01:05:43
I myself will have to learn more about
01:05:45
this and educate myself on this and it
01:05:48
was a pleasure Dr Chris Kenobi
01:05:51
this is my pleasure Lorenz thank you so
01:05:53
much appreciate it all right sir
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thank you