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hi everyone Judge Andrew napalitano here
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for judging Freedom today is Friday
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December 6 2024 the end of the day the
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end of the week it's our favorite
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Roundtable with my dear friends Ray uh
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mcgoverin and Larry Johnson gentlemen
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thank you welcome here always a pleasure
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there a lot of events that happened this
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week and I want to pick your brains on
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all of them Ray to you first it seems
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the neocons are added again this time in
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Syria before you
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address what they're up to why do we
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have a thousand troops in Syria when the
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government of Syria asked us to
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go uh do you want a very cynical
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explanation yes I want a a govern I want
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a a govern ask
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explanation there are people in
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Washington strong enough to Prevail upon
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the military to leave the troops there
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there are 900 to a th000 troops they are
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extremely
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vulnerable now the ones across the
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border in Iraq have been shot at and
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have been damaged and wounded that is
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the US troops so why are they leaving
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these troops up there in Syria well a
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considered decision was made to well
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leave them up there and and let's see if
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we can get let's see if some of them get
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killed and that will be a pretext for us
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toh to do real damage to whoever killed
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them okay there's no no sense there
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except they are helping to protect the
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extraction of the oil that we are
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stealing there that Trump bragged about
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stealing and actually some of that oil
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goes to Israel so there is some utility
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to having those people up there but the
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the vulnerabilities for outweigh the
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benefits of keeping troops in Sy besides
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they're not invited okay at least the
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Iraqis have asked us to leave but they
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okay you can stay a little long all
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right you can stay a little longer the
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syrians never invited us on the contrary
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they have invited the Russians so that
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should say something with respect to
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international law Larry before we get
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into what the neocons are up to didn't
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Trump in his first
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presidency uh order the military to get
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the heck out of uh Syria and if he did
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what happened he did they ignored the
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order they didn't carry it out look the
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the presence of US troops in Syria is
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not just to protect the oil it's also
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part of a a longer range plan that
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actually started back well predated 2011
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but it it started under Barack Obama in
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Earnest to overthrow the government of
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Bashir al-assad because they saw Assad
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as a supporter of Iran and this is an
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indirect way to attack Iran weaken Iran
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prevent any Supply from transiting Syria
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that would wind up in the in the hands
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of Hezbollah the the real irony here is
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that the United States in providing this
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support which it was collecting weapons
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in
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Benghazi it was and all throughout all
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Libya the weapons in Libya were then
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brought to Benghazi they were shipped
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from Benghazi to Turkey were given to
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the Turks the Turks then distributed
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them to the radical Sunni islamists who
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are let's call them
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the theological descendants of
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al-Qaeda the terrorists that attacked us
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on
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9/11 begat you know this will sound like
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something out of Genesis Al-Qaeda begat
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Isis Isis begat al-nusra al-nusra beat
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this uh hayat tah al-sham which is right
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now carrying out that military operation
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they are receiving from the United
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States indirectly
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training
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intelligence and weapons and those
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weapons now are being used against the
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Shia and the alowitz and the Christians
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in Syria so the United States now think
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about this wrap your brain around it the
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United States is supplying weapons and
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lethal Aid to the very terrorists that
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attacked us on 9/11 okay that's how far
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we've fallen and we're using
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our military to attack the Shia elements
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the Alo elements the Syrian Army that's
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trying to defeat those terrorists you'd
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think we'd be in we'd be lined up with
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Bashar al-assad but no no we're more
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concerned about Iran who hasn't carried
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out a single major terrorist attack
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against the United States in the entire
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first quarter of this 21st century
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instead we're providing weapons and Aid
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to the very terrorists who have been
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attacking the West because they want to
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establish a global
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caliphate Ray you have a great piece at
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antiwar.com I think it came at yesterday
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the neocons are up to it again what is
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their possible
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justification for what Larry just
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described they've been doing it as Larry
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said before 2011 when the uh the spring
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broke out in Damascus there've been uh
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we have been kind of letting ourselves
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be used as a tool of Israel now bad not
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the nicest person in the world but he
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has absolutely no threat to the United
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States okay who is he a threat to well I
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mean just like Saddam Hussein seemed to
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be a threat to Israel so with bash Assad
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so what do we do well we we we train
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these Rebels moderate Rebels mind you we
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showed that little clip of the of Lloyd
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Austin saying well we we spent $500
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million but we got four or five good
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ones still in the fight okay that's how
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we distributed our laress and why to
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keep chaos going in Syria to deprive the
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the ability of of other people to supply
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HB in in Lebanon and most of all to make
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that area not a threat to Israel I want
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to quote there was a New York Times
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bureau chief in Jerusalem Jody ruin at
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the height of this this first breakout
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in 2013 she went to senior Israel
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officials which we she she knew quite
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well she now tell me what's the
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preferred outcome of this interesan this
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Su Sunni Shia fighting here in Syria
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what's Israel's prefer outcome and they
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said well Jord it's not the doesn't
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sound very good but um our preferred
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outcome is no outcome as long as Sunni
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and Shia are sh's throats you as long as
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they're hemorrhaging their capabilities
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here Israel has nothing to fear from
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Syria that's the name of the game as far
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as Israel's concerned and it's
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impossible to look at us policy towards
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Syria without thinking that we're joined
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at the hip as Israel we're doing
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Israel's bidding by arming these
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moderate Rebels even if we're going to
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get five or four or five for the half
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billion dollars we invested in that
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particular
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trch Larry can we expect any change in
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American policy in Syria under Donald
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Trump or will it be more of the same
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notwithstanding Trump's campaign
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promises no I I don't think there'll be
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much of a change you know unless you
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know Trump wakes up but unfortunately
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he's surround
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himself with with people like
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Waltz and and and this clown Sebastian
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Gorka and Marco Rubio they're not going
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to do they see this as Ray pointed out
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this is this is doing Israel's bidding
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and and remember Israel is actually it
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wants to quote destroy Hezbollah it
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doesn't want to do a thing about HTS you
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know the hayah Alam that group even
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though that group is listed as one of
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the top 10 terrorist groups attacking
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International targets over the last 10
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years that's who we're supporting and we
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said well we're not supporting him
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directly oh no no we give it to Turkey
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we give it to Ukraine and then you we
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use them as a cutout that way we go oh
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gee we don't know anything about this no
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we're absolutely up to our eyeballs in
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this and now we've seen that it is
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expanding with the the reemergence of
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the white helmets you know these the
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these these guys are a British
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intelligence or outfit they're a front
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group and they're out there to spread uh
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misinformation to create uh false Flags
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you know they tried it uh gez 11 years
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ago to to pretend that the Syrian Army
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had launched a chemical weapons attack
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when in fact it was alosra it was the
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Western back terrorists that were
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launching it in order to try to create
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an incident that would justify further
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Western intervention but the this has a
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broader play Beyond just Syria Israel
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and Turkey this is also designed in part
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because the West genuinely believes that
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Russia by providing Military Support to
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Syria is going to will weaken its effort
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in Ukraine uh I I think they're mistaken
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in that but that is that's part of this
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plan as
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well um Ry I want to jump to um to South
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Korea is there any geopolitical
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significance to the the uh Declaration
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of Martial law which only lasted for six
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hours or is it just a factor in a
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consequence of the domestic South Korean
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politics it was bizarre truly
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bizarre I think that Yun is is not long
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for staying in office and after all he's
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one of our you know he's our zalinski
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out there in South Korea uh he's a peg
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to this big Alliance who are trying to
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construct against China if he falls uh
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there is enough ferment in South Korea
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there's enough burgeoning knowledge as
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to how they've been used and reluctance
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to keep in this little close alliance
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with Japan to allow for some substantial
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change in South Korea that's the danger
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as the people in the White House see it
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but South Korea has changed for the
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better in the past I have some hope that
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this will lead to a change in government
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and a change in attitude toward getting
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along with other people like the North
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Koreans Larry why do we have 28,000
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troops there hey got to keep that the
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military industrial complex needs them
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if we don't have them there how do we
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justify an $850 billion budget we got to
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that budget is helping sustain over 750
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military bases around the world so uh we
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and and you got to with every base it
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comes a command command position got
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lots of officers that have to get those
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command positions in so that they can
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get promoted you know this is part of
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the gross Corruption of our of our
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so-called National Security strategy
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this this isn't about defending against
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communism or authoritarianism or
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whatever this is about grift this is
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about patting the pockets of Washington
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lawmakers who get donations from l
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lucked Martin General Dynamics and then
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uh those companies in turn they hire
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retired generals out they come in put
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them on the payroll put them on the
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board uh give them a syic cure and then
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the money keeps rolling back and forth
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and every year gets bigger and
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bigger there is absolutely no reason to
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have those troops in in South
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Korea do you think they might be there
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because uh of some
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planned um milit aggression against
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China Larry no no I mean they've all
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they wouldn't they wouldn't even be a
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speed bump in the road if they go
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involved with China you know 26,000
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that's nothing uh you know the look at
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by by comparison uh Russia's killing
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that many ukrainians in one month okay
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so this is uh you know this is all they
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are a potential Cannon fter now this is
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we we pretend that they are there to
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keep the peace to be be a trip wire for
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the future but no it's it's just it's
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corruption pure and simple uh we it it's
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a money-making machine for the
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Washington politicians and the defense
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industry and those soldiers are just
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cogs in the wheel or as uh you know
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Roger Waters his song Just Another Brick
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in the Wall Another Brick in the Wall um
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we're going to switch to Ukraine but
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first I want to play a clip from the
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person that Larry Wilkerson says is the
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worst Secretary of State since Thomas
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Jefferson which of course means the
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worst Secretary of State in history cut
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he says there's 50 billion dollars he
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still wants to send to Ukraine you'll
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hear him say this Chris cut number 10
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we're focused in very practical concrete
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ways really on on on three things making
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sure that it has the money the resources
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it needs to sustain its economy and to
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sustain its defense we've now um managed
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on the basis of the uh Frozen Sovereign
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assets the Russian assets that are
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Frozen to uh get a $50 billion to
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Ukraine that will be going out the door
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in the next in the coming weeks both
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from the United States and Europe and
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that will carry Ukraine for some time uh
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into next year second Munitions and
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everything that goes with that whether
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it's air defenses whether it's missiles
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whether it's armored vehicles um we're
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working in a very determined way again
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to make sure for many months ahead that
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Ukraine will have what it needs the
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United States is is pushing out the door
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everything that we can but beyond that
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we have this process long established
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secretary Austin established at Ramstein
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to make sure that we're fully
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coordinated with allies and partners uh
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and that's exactly what we're doing and
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we spent time again talking about what
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the uh uh what the needs are and how
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each of us can play a part in filling
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them and then finally mobilization um
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this is critical because with even with
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the the money even with the the
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Munitions there have to be people on the
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on the uh on the front lines to deal
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with the Russian aggression uh Ukraine
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has hard decisions to make about further
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mobilization but these are necessary
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decisions we have a commitment though
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for every person every uh soldier that
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Ukraine mobilizes we're committed to
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making sure that they have the training
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and the equip they need to effectively
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defend the country I mean not only is uh
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much of this absolutely untrue Ry it's
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as if he's been asleep the past two
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years and is utterly ignorant of the
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slaughter that the Ukrainian uh young
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men have uh endured and the thin ice
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that the military is on now I'll let you
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take it from there right well judge he
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did mention the 18 and 19 20 and 21 year
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olds who have escaped the Carnage so far
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now um Tony Lincoln and Jake Sullivan
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are adamant that they be recruited that
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they be wrapped up and sent into the
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battle or into the fight as Lloyd Austin
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has taught them to say my God how
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cynical the battle is lost all these
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guys want to do is go out go out of
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office saying we gave ziny everything he
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asked for the only problem was he was UN
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he was reluctant to to draft the 1819 we
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draft the 189 the 19 volunteered when
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Vietnam well these guys don't know
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anything they never volunteer for
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Vietnam they never put on a uniform so
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it's terribly cynical that they're
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accusing the ukrainians of not being
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able to use our weaponry and blinkin has
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done that explicit
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uh uh because they don't have enough
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troops well 18 it's just really you say
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you know the Carnage well most people
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think 500 to
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600,000 troops in Ukraine have been
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killed right that's a lot I mean for
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God's sake when peace was at hand after
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the first six weeks and we put the
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kabash on it together with Boris Johnson
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I mean how do you live with a conscience
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if you have a conscience about those
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things Larry before you weigh in on what
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we just heard from secretary blinkin I
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want you to hear what president sininsky
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said uh late last week on November 29th
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Chris cut number one if we want to stop
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the hot stage of the
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war we should take under NATO umbrella
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the territory of Ukraine that we have
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under our control that's what we need to
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do fast and then Ukraine can get back
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the other part of its territory
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diplomatically so he's drinking from the
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same water fountain as blinkin if he
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honestly thinks after all of this after
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all the Death and All the slaughter and
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all the loss of territory and and the
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steady and exorable March of the Russian
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military that the rest of Ukraine can
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quote be taken under the NATO umbrella
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this is madness
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Larry judge they ain't drinking from the
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water fountain man they're doing vodka
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Shooters dude you know they're lit up
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they're intoxicated and not in a good
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way uh you know they need to pay
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attention that uh you know last night
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Thursday uh we we saw finally Tucker
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Carlson's interview with lavro and that
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was preceded by Serge ribkoff the number
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two member the deputy in the Russian
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foreign
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Ministry zalinski blinkin and the West
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better damn well pay attention to what
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they're saying when you listen to what
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ripoff you know when he told this CN I I
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give CNN credit they finally actually
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did some journalism Larry hang on
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because I have the clip for
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you cut number 14 Resnik is not a
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strategic ballistic missile it's an
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intermediate range missile which was
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tested in combat uh and uh the results
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are known for people in Kev for people
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in Washington in Brussels and of course
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in Moscow uh we used this as uh not just
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uh a messenger over a sense but we use
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this uh to test what we really have in
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terms of our growing and additional
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capabilities In This Very crucial area
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let me tell you that if not for the
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Trump one Administration that simply
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destroyed uh INF treaty which served
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well interests of both us and Russia for
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several decades then there would be no
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arnik in our hands we will still be
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restrained from our capability to
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develop such weapons but okay it's gone
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and now what we have what we have we do
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not complain about missed opportunities
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we look forward we are very sure that we
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will reach all our goals and objectives
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uh through our action uh on the ground
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and uh all the objectives of the special
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military operation will be
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achieved according to uh Gil
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docto uh Sergey
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ROV is the smartest strongest and most
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tenacious of um lavrov's deputies go
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ahead Larry well uh almost a year ago
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today I was standing next to Pepe
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Escobar and pepe and I were talking with
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uh Mr
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ribkoff and then we had a you sat down
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and there were 14 of us around the table
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Alistar cook was there as well Pepe
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myself meeting with uh Serge ribkoff uh
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and a couple of others Demetri Sims
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chaired the event it was really an
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informal discussion what ripoff made
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clear back then and he reiterated in
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this interview of CNN he says we've
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never been in a more dangerous time in
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the entire history of the relations
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between between Russia and the United
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States including the Cuban Missile
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Crisis in
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1962 because as as he told us at least
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Back Then There Were Communications
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between the president between Kennedy
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and between Kush they were talking at
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least Kennedy's brother Robert F Kennedy
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was was communicating with the Russian
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Ambassador and and and the head of the
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KGB here in the United States and and
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ribov made clear where there there's no
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talking going on there's no
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communication this is extremely
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dangerous and he made clear and it was
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reiterated by his boss later uh lavaro
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in his conversation with Tucker that uh
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Russia's not plain we have made our
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views very very clear we will defend
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ourselves it's no different than if
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Russia was providing weapons to Mexico
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and that Mexico was shelling
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San Antonio Austin Albuquerque Phoenix
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and San Diego if that was taking place
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we would view that as an act of war and
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we would be compelled to respond
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militarily that is why this is so damn
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dangerous and blinkin and zalinski and
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and Trump aren't paying
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attention um Ray I think Larry's 100%
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correct and to make matters worse
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General
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Kellogg who has been uh indicated by
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President elect Trump will be his
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Emissary for Ukraine uh and
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Russia supports the continuing arming of
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the Ukrainian
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military how the hell can that be and
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how can Trump end this war in 24 hours
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if the people he's going to Appo have
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the same mindset
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Rubio Waltz gor uh General Kellogg as
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the people they're replacing
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Ray well judge I think it's a little
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premature to dismiss
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Kellogg uh he's got some plans that
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could form the basis of a given take
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with the Russians I think that he will
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show some flexibility as I think Putin
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will once they finally start talking to
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each other okay there's been no talking
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for two and a half years all right so I
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wouldn't rule him out now I'd like to
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comment on on what Larry said about the
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uh
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OV you know he he stressed you'll recall
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that this is not this is not a strategic
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weapon no no what's it all about well
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strategic weapons are ifof factor
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nuclear weapons and puin made a
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statement in aana I think was the 28th
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of November which has gotten them into
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some trouble I believe okay what he said
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is and I'll read it here military and
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Technical
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experts note that when it's used in a
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concentrated massive strike that is
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using several arnik missiles
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simultaneously resulting impact is
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comparable in power to that of a nuclear
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weapon period end quote wow okay now I
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won't go into semantics and I'm not a
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scientist and I'm not an engineer I mean
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this is a this is a
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Layman president but he's comparing it
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to the power of a nuclear weapon not the
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fall out or anything what does that mean
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well it means that the US can go back
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and say to Russia look you said that if
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we mounted anything that was nuclear
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capable like on an F16 or anything like
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that you would shoot it down right away
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so be aware we know this is the
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equivalent of a nuclear weapon even
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though you say it's not strategic even
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you say you do say that is nuclear
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capable so I think puin is this is very
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interesting because the the full text of
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his speech was Tak it off the web Tak it
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off the president of of the Russian
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federation's website okay so this bus is
00:26:20
about Putin crowing about if you use
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several these artics together that quote
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the resulting impact is comparable in
00:26:31
power to a nuclear weapon well okay it
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is I mean it doesn't have doesn't have
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the burst and the Heat and all that kind
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of stuff but that's semantics he's
00:26:41
saying look it can can be just as
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powerful as a nuclear weapon and I think
00:26:47
they're reluctant to give the West a
00:26:49
chance to say okay you got something as
00:26:51
powerful as a nuclear weapon uh next
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time you do something we're going to use
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only thing we got comparable which is
00:26:59
nuclear weapons I think this is very
00:27:01
dicey in the semantics now but Putin
00:27:04
said it he's downplaying it now and you
00:27:06
get people like yapu always saying it's
00:27:08
a strategic it's it's not a strategic
00:27:11
weapon it can't do the kinds of things
00:27:14
that strategic namely nuclear weapons
00:27:17
do Larry I'll give you the last word
00:27:21
Biden's people obviously don't
00:27:24
understand the Russians and don't
00:27:26
believe what President Putin said say is
00:27:29
there any reason to expect different
00:27:31
thinking under Donald Trump no no
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there's no sign that anybody on Trump's
00:27:36
side either understands the Russians or
00:27:38
even want to make an attempt to
00:27:40
understand the Russians you know judge
00:27:42
what what's shocking you know you Ry and
00:27:45
I were all sort of children of the Cold
00:27:47
War we grew up in an era where we were
00:27:50
taught you know starting an elementary
00:27:52
school that we we faced a threat from
00:27:55
International communism and we had to
00:27:57
stop International communism at any cost
00:28:00
and that's why we got involved with the
00:28:02
stupid war in Vietnam in part as well as
00:28:05
trying to protect France's Colonial uh
00:28:09
you know his Colony possessions but with
00:28:12
with the with the implosion of the
00:28:13
Soviet Union all of a sudden that
00:28:15
International communist threat went away
00:28:17
and yet despite that going away despite
00:28:21
the fact that Vladimir Putin presides
00:28:25
over a country that emphasizes its
00:28:28
Christian faith as the primary thing
00:28:32
that drives that country as it
00:28:35
emphasizes the importance of family
00:28:37
values healthy healthy relationships of
00:28:42
of um husband and wife with children
00:28:46
they are very traditional very 1950 is
00:28:48
of them yet the West persists in
00:28:51
portrain Russia is this enormous threat
00:28:55
that we must counter at any cost and at
00:28:57
any uh
00:28:59
expense it's Madness it's utter Madness
00:29:03
and there's no rationale for it we keep
00:29:05
trying to construct one and what's
00:29:08
really going on is the the reason we
00:29:12
hate Putin so much at least our leaders
00:29:15
and the business folks is Putin stopped
00:29:18
them from raping Russia of its natural
00:29:21
resources stop the west from seizing the
00:29:24
oil seizing the gas seizing the gold
00:29:27
seizing the
00:29:28
uranium and it's that that greed that
00:29:31
lust that drives Us in the west there
00:29:34
nothing that Putin's doing and be just
00:29:37
instead of recognizing that and shame on
00:29:39
Trump shame on everyone that he's
00:29:41
appointed because none of them are
00:29:43
willing to acknowledge that instead they
00:29:45
persist with this nonsense that somehow
00:29:48
Russia represents a threat to us Russia
00:29:50
does not represent a threat to the
00:29:52
United States in any form or
00:29:56
fashion gentleman a great segment I know
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we've all had a long and tiring week and
00:30:01
uh we just went around the globe but
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thank you very much for your double duty
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as always have a great weekend look
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forward to seeing you both on Monday
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morning all the best thanks judge same
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to
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you thank you for watching it's been an
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exhausting week we'll have all of your
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