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I try to not make a ton of videos about
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getting a job in Tech but with the state
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of the market and how tough it has
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gotten I think it's worth sharing my
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thoughts I just had a conversation with
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a bunch of Junior devs yesterday and
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before then I did a talk at a college
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that really showed me how rough things
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are for people trying to get their first
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job or even those who were laid off and
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are trying to get a new one it's rough
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out there and I want to do my best to
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try and showcase what from my experience
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works I do want to disclose something
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important though I haven't looked for a
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job in a while I obviously don't need to
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get one right now thanks to all of you
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guys supporting me my team and the
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channel I have two companies one for my
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content and one for my actual Tech stuff
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that we sell with ping both upload thing
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and ping. and those have put me in a
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position where I don't have to hunt but
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what I do often have to do is hire fire
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and help other companies doing the same
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so all I might not have as recent of
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experience actually looking for a job I
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still have a ton on the other side and
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having done hundreds of interviews as an
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interviewer throughout my career I hope
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I can give a little bit of good advice
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considering the current state of the
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market I don't want to mince words
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though it is rough out there right now
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and in previous videos that I covered
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the state of the job market in I showed
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that it wasn't that bad but at this
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point it kind of is I know far too many
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people who are struggling to get jobs
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and at the same time I see the same
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mistakes over and over and over again I
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want to break all of these down and try
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most of the education system and the
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advice that you're going to get online
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is focused on how the job market worked
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in like 2019 2021 it also worked like
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this way before then too a key thing
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about tech jobs is that there were way
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more jobs than there were tech people so
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if I needed five people on my team to
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work on a project and I only had three
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finding those other two was really
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difficult because the number of
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available Engineers was relatively low
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as such we were more likely to open up
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Junior roles not because we needed
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somebody at a lower level or we just
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wanted to pay somebody less but because
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it was so hard to find great Engineers
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that you would roll the dice and hire
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people who were less likely to be
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meaningful contributors in hopes that
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eventually they would be in this example
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you need two really good Engineers maybe
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you'll hire five to six Juniors and if
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you have a one in three chance of them
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becoming really good someday you might
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end up with four people who are kind of
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dead weight but you would also end up
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with two that are really really good and
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eventually those people will be able to
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run teams and do their own hiring and
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level up other Engineers as well hiring
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a junior engineer isn't a exchange of
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money for code it's usually an
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investment an investment in a bet the
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business is making in hopes that long
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term you'll become good enough to be a
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really useful contributor to that
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business it's harsh to say it that way
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but it is reality most Junior engineers
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slow down their teams however if they
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level up fast enough and they really
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start to get what's going on they stop
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slowing the team down and eventually can
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accelerate it really meaningfully so the
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best thing to Showcase in an interview
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will always be your ability to grow and
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adapt on the Fly because that's the best
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indicator that somebody might break out
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of that junior level and go far far past
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it two really big things have happened
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that have made the job market work less
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like this the first is the massive
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layoff weight Wes that have been
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plaguing tech for a while now if you
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haven't kept up it's pretty brutal in
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2024 over
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145,000 Tech roles disappeared 2023 it
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was even more 260,000 that's a lot of
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Engineers who were employed that no
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longer are and these people now are also
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looking for jobs so if I'm again imagine
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I'm an engineer running a team with five
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people we need two more previously I was
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very likely to consider juniors in hopes
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they could level up and get to that
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point now there are 260 to
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400,000 senior plus Engineers that have
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actual industry experience that are
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competing for those slots the likelihood
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that I can get an actual experienc
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engineer is significantly higher
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especially if somebody on my team has
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worked with one of those people who was
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laid off and they say hey my friend Joe
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here needs a job I worked with him
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before he's really good they're going to
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skip the entire line and jump in front
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and be much more likely to get that role
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there's a theme Here trust and we're
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going to be going back to that in just a
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minute because first I've talk about
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problem two AI this isn't oh AI is going
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to ruin all our jobs the big bad Doom
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machine just trying to be realistic here
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Ai and the tools that are being built
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with it do represent a meaningful change
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in how jobs and Tech roles work on one
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hand the Need For Less experienced
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Engineers as unproductive as they were
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has has gone down a bit because training
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Claude to do what you need is both
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slightly more reliable and slightly less
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higher cap than what Junior Engineers
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could do and honestly in a lot of ways I
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feel like I'm mentoring a junior when
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I'm working with Claude it's roughly the
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same thing but more importantly it has
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accelerated what good Engineers can do
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very heavily if I have the option of
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teaching an employee on my team how to
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work with a specific code base or just
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spend 20 minutes trying to get claw to
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make the change I'm working on going to
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do the thing with Claude most of the
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time it's just easier and faster and I
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as an experienced engineer can be much
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more productive when I use these tools
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and can cover a much larger surface area
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that previously would have required more
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employees that's not the biggest thing
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that AI has changed though AI has ruined
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the process of interviewing for earlier
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roles it is horrifying if you put up an
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open role on the internet like Hey we're
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hiring for a junior hit up this email
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address you will immediately get
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thousands of emails from people AI
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generating the worst slop you've ever
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seen and calling it a res and then a
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five paragraph or 10 page cover
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letter that they had chat GPT write for
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them it is horrible I cannot emphasize
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enough how miserable it is doing the
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actual recruiting and going through the
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NeverEnding large pile of resumés that
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are more and more full of AI crap it's
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horrible and know it's hard to be
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sympathetic to the interviewer side when
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you're trying to get that first role
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fresh out of school fresh out of boot
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camp fresh out a learning react yourself
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but you need to know the misery that is
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opening up a junior role for
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applications and the gigantic
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unbelievably large number of
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resumés that are going to come in as a
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result it sucks it sucks so hard that
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most companies just give up on managing
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that stack of resumés entirely because
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it's not worth going through because
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it's entirely slop just years ago those
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roles would have gotten a few hundred
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applications now it's tens if not
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hundreds of thousands sometimes I've
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seen people who had like 50 followers on
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Twitter post an open job rle and in 24
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hours get 10,000 applications it's
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insane so what do we do about this if
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the number of senior employees looking
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for roles has gone up the amount of
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shitty resumes has gone up and the
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amount of rolls as a whole has gone down
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how can you possibly get a job is it
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time to just give up I don't think so
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because there's one key thing that has
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been going down since all of this
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started trust trust is a hard to come by
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commodity nowadays everybody is lying
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everybody's AI generating and
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hallucinating every resume coming
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in is questionable at best but you know
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what isn't your own experience in the
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people that you have worked with the
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best thing you can possibly have when
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looking for a job is trust and there's a
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lot of different ways to build trust the
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one everyone says is go contribute to
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open source I have a whole video called
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Don't contribute to open source that
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describes why this is a dumb idea and
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also gives a little bit of advice on how
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to do this right but I want to focus on
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some more practical things one of the
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biggest ones is being part of the
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community you have no idea how many
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people pop up in my twitch chat show up
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in my Twitter replies hang out on Blue
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Sky hang out in Discord and just show
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without even trying that they know what
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they're doing and it's very easy to
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start trusting these people almost too
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easy if you know what you're doing
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enough to hang out and watch the videos
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that I make all the time there's a good
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chance you could be successful in the
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space a very good chance and due to the
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fact that so many people are here it
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might feel like you can't stand out you
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are wrong it is very easy to Stand Out
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by just being around and being useful if
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you have a high signal to noise ratio
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where when you show a link in chat it's
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likely to be relevant and interesting or
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when you reply to something on Twitter
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it's likely to be useful or funny I'll
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quickly build an association in my head
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with your username your profile picture
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brings value is funny these graphs in
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people's heads are relatively easy to
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manipulate not in the derogatory trying
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to screw with people sense but in the
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more realistic people like the people
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understand what they're doing s and it
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is so easy to build this type of trust
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if you just talk about the things you
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actually care about in spaces with other
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people who care about them there is a
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catch though if you don't actually care
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about tech you're kind of a lot
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of people got into software Dev purely
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for the money they don't even like
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computers I knew a bunch of Engineers I
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used to work with that didn't use
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computers in their spare time at all
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they would just use their phones a
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little bit and then read books and watch
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movies and that's fine good for them but
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in this new era of AI and the slow
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condensing of the field the people who
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don't care are not going to make the cut
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the ones who only came in for money that
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aren't spending their spare time
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watching videos on my channel playing
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with new open source libraries and being
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part of these communities they're
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absolutely and you have to go out
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of your way now to not look like one of
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them and that sucks it genuinely does
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cuz there's plenty of people who can
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contribute plenty of fine code but if
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you don't care it is unlikely you're
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going to be better than the AI tools
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that we'll be using next year and that's
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a very hard pill to swallow but once
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you've swallowed it you'll realize oh I
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actually do kind of care about this I
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know my peers don't but I was the one
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they were asking for help with their
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homework on those people can still have
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a ton of success and if you're one of
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those if this isn't the first of my
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videos you've watched if you've hung out
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in the community you've played with the
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tools I recommend you've disagreed with
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things I've said and you've been
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involved you're fine you just need to
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show the world that you do care and that
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you do know what you're doing and the
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way to do that isn't spitting out
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hundreds of random GitHub reos it's not
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throwing bad contributions to whatever
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projects you heard me talk about the way
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to do that is being involved hanging out
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bringing value be realistic and honest
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if there's something that I'm talking
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about that I missed a key point on
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point it out if I'm live streaming
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myself talking about things that you're
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familiar with and I say hey I need a
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source for this thing does anyone have
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it and you do go find it and bring it in
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make your name associated with value and
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you will very quickly build trust with
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me and I like to think I'm a good person
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to have trust you because I've helped
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dozens of engineers get jobs in the last
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year alone because I know a ton of
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companies that are hiring but they're
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not hiring in the sense that they have a
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public listing that anybody can send a
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shitty AI generated resume to they're
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hiring in the sense that they're
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strategically building a team that has
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specific technical needs and
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requirements they want to make sure
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every bet they make is a trustworthy bet
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because that's what hiring is it is a
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type of gambling and it's a type of
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gambling that sucks because people's
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healthc care is involved but you have to
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be ready to roll the dice a bit and
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understand that the other side is
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rolling the dice too it's your goal to
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make that roll look as likely to be
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successful as possible increase the
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likelihood that you're going to be
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successful for those companies and the
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companies will see it the same way you
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have to show them that you're very
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likely to be a good hire and very
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unlikely to be a bad one and that's not
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as hard as it sounds there's a lot of
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ways you can do this I met this engineer
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Taylor at render ATL and she was awesome
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she asked a really good question after
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my talk about a niche use case for
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Server actions in nextjs and I decided
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to chat out with her more after cuz I
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was curious she wanted to make sure she
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was using the right Solutions with
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server action so she went out of her way
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to try whole of these different options
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and came to me asking what my thoughts
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were about them my thoughts were well I
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haven't done the research you have I
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would love for you to share that
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research so I could do more with it and
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I told her it would be awesome if she
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had done a blog post about it her
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response wait other people care yes if
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you care enough to do that type of
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research to spend that time deep diving
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on different solutions to problems
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document it and share it with the world
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there's a decent chance nobody notices
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there's also a decent chance someone
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does and more importantly if you're
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talking with people like me and I go to
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your profile on blue sky or Twitter or
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whatever and I go to your blog and I see
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you have this post that's really
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interesting to me light bulbs start
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going off in my head like oh they get it
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they're in they're not just playing with
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these things to get a job they care
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enough to Deep dive on things I haven't
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even had the time to Deep dive on yet
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and that is the best signal I can
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imagine that someone is a trustworthy
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potentially good hire and there's one
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last piece that will always make hiring
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easier friendships if you have
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connections with other people be it
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peers that you went to school with
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co-workers you had in previous jobs or
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just a friend from your hometown that
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happens to have a role in an engineering
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company try to maintain those
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relationships and try to nerd out and
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talk about these things with them
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obviously if those people aren't
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actually nerds they're just coding for
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the job and making the money don't push
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it too hard but if you can form a solid
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m in their heads a oh this person
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is associated with this thing going well
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the likelihood that you can turn that
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into a job is very very high I learned
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this personally from my time at twitch
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because as uh Rough Around the Edges as
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I could be to work with I'm not one to
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compromise where it would hurt our users
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I was very deeply associated with things
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actually shipping I became the guy that
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was pulled in when projects were going
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to miss their deadlines to make them not
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only hit their deadlines but often
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exceed them so we could keep working on
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the things that actually mattered and
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that association between me and shipping
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has persisted throughout my entire
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career and I had a ton of opportunities
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come up and I still do to this day
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because somebody I worked with in the
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past has that association between me and
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actually getting done those
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associations last way longer than any
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role at any company will and the people
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who build those associations are going
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to have their own jobs in the future at
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other places you might be interested in
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that is so essential to succeeding
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because when I'm hiring I'm kind of
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doing like a tier list in my head of
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what I want if I have an open role on my
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team the first thing I do is think about
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the people I know that' be a good fit
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for that role once I've exhausted that
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list if I can't find anybody the next
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thing I do is mention it to the team
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I'll say hey I kind of want to hire for
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this role what do you guys think and if
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somebody else says I think that's a good
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idea I actually know a person who would
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be perfect for it they just got laid off
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at this company and I think they'd be a
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good fit that's the easiest interview in
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the world world they're probably going
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to get the job if after that point
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there's nobody on the immediate team
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that has a good referral for the role
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maybe I'll post it as an internal job
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posting to see if anybody from a
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different team wants to transfer to my
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team because if we've already hired them
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and I can look at the work they've done
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and talked to their co-workers the
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likelihood of a bad higher is
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significantly lower and internal
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poaching is at an all-time high right
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now because it's so scary to hire
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someone that isn't a good pick after all
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of those steps are exhausted after I
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realized I don't know anybody my team
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has realized they don't know anybody and
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I can't poach anyone from another team
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at the company finally I might consider
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a traditional public job rooll list
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maybe so if you do want to get a job
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fast it's very important to do what you
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can to be in those first three tiers and
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if you're stuck fighting at the fourth
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one if you don't have friends in Tech if
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you're doing this alone find a way to be
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less lonely because that's going to be
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the thing that kills your career it's
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not the opportunities that businesses
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have it's not the companies that are not
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giving you offers it's not the degree
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that you did or didn't spend all your
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money on the thing that will kill your
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career is letting the loneliness get to
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you fight that we're getting some good
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messages and I wanted to call out this
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one because I think it's a phenomenal
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example of what I'm talking about here I
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had a video call with a guy I didn't
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know from Turkey to help him with a
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question that he posted in Theo's
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Discord about how to set up create T3
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app in a certain way now he's a good
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friend of mine this is what I'm talking
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about AU here had successfully made a
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connection brought value and built this
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mental association with in that case one
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person but that could scale really far
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really fast so now if that person from
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turkey that he met is hiring or is
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working at a company that is hiring and
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he knows that you're looking for a role
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you are so much more likely to snag that
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role and if you do this for not just one
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person maybe three or four maybe a few
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of those are public and if it's in the
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Discord and the public question stuff
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the answers are there too and I and many
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others notice who is answering those
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questions and who is bringing the most
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value some of the best hiring help I
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have given companies was telling them
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who in my Discord answers questions the
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best and they just straight up hired
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people from that and now those people
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are running engineering at surprisingly
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large companies like clerk yes clerk has
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a high up engineer that was found
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because they answered questions while in
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my Discord these are some of the best
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ways to build trust to have these
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relationships with people who get it and
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are in the field too oh look my team I
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literally met aore through twitch chat
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Gabriel is my lead researcher I found
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him because he was always posting useful
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links and sources and all the other
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things I needed to be successful with my
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video creation and pulled him onto the
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team we also have Addie here who has
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been beyond helpful she's found a ton of
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connections and made a ton of
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friendships in the space and now she's
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the one who reviews most of her videos
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before they go live there's a ton of
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these like Ethan met Rees through the
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server if you watched my video on uh the
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faster version of McMaster those two
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became friends through my Discord server
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and they built that together they might
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even do a startup in the future knowing
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how these things tend to go it's not
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that hard to do when you're a nerd and
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you hang out in spaces with other nerds
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take advantage of that don't be alone
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don't let yourself be The Loner that
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doesn't have friends to talk about the
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stuff with and don't use the fact that
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you went to school during CO as an
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excuse which I've seen a lot it does
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suck but you can still make these
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connections other ways I made a lot of
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friends through weird Facebook groups
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grou about hacking stuff when I was in
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college and those friendships ended up
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being essential to me finding success in
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the field find people that you can
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relate with that you can nerd out with
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that you can have these deep Technical
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and life conversations with so that you
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don't have to go through this alone
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because if you're going through it alone
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I honestly don't know if you're going to
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make it now because this kind of
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sucks so make friends build trust show
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the world that you kind of know what
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you're talking about and you won't have
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as bad a time and for everyone else if
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you're just here for the
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money good luck that's all I got to say
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on this one I hope this was helpful
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until next
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time peace nerds
