An in-depth review of how to conduct a neurological exam in the veterinary patient

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TLDRThe session covers fundamentals and practical applications of neurological exams, primarily used for diagnosing neurologic cases in animals. Key elements include assessing mentation, cranial nerves, gait, reflexes, and proprioception without needing advanced equipment. The video emphasizes the significance of consistent methodology in exams to avoid omissions and discusses the process of determining lesion localization before addressing the neurological differential diagnosis. It illustrates various cases, explains common neurological terms like ataxia and paresis, and elaborates on interpreting reflex results, distinguishing between different types of lesions, including intracranial, spinal cord, and those affecting the peripheral nervous system. Numerous examples and insights into responses to different stimuli and normal versus abnormal results are provided to underline best practices and common conditions encountered during tests. The later part involves analysis of actual patient cases, emphasizing interpretation of their neurological exams and the appropriate course of veterinary diagnostic and treatment follow-ups. This intensive review aims to equip the practitioners with an understanding of thorough neurological examinations and subsequent actions based on the information deduced.

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  • ๐Ÿง  Understanding the neurological exam helps in diagnosing neurological cases.
  • ๐Ÿพ No fancy equipment is needed; a light source, reflex hammer, and non-slip surface are useful.
  • ๐Ÿ’ก Localization of lesion is crucial before considering differentials.
  • ๐Ÿ“ Differentiating between ataxia and paresis is essential as they indicate different conditions.
  • ๐Ÿ‘€ Observing a patientโ€™s free movement reveals more accurate neurological signs.
  • ๐Ÿ”ฆ Consistent order of checks helps in not missing any part of the neurological exam.
  • ๐Ÿ“Š Reflexes: Presence rather than the degree of response is more important for diagnosis.
  • ๐Ÿง Assessing cranial nerves involves checking menace response, PLR, and facial sensation.
  • ๐Ÿ” Why checking proprioception accurately is critical, often involves repeated tests if needed.
  • ๐Ÿฆด Discusses practical case studies to illustrate various neurological conditions.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The talk begins with an overview of the neurological exam, emphasizing its importance for identifying neurological issues in animals. The exam involves assessing several areas including mentation, posture, cranial nerves, gait, and proprioceptive reactions. Tools needed include a light source and a reflex hammer. The goal is to localize lesions before discussing differentials.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    For the neurological exam, it is recommended to observe the animal in a room freely, away from the owners to ensure natural behavior is captured. Various aspects like gait, cranial nerve function, and proprioception are assessed. When testing proprioception, positioning each leg individually helps, especially in smaller animals. Reflexes are also tested to detect any neurological issues.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Various types of paresis or plegia are defined according to which limbs are affected. Specific neurological terms like ataxia and paresis are distinguished. The exam must be thorough, covering cranial nerve checks and proprioceptive testing, and identifying specific reflex reactions that might indicate neurological problems.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    In examining reflexes, withdrawal and patellar reflexes are noted, as they provide insight into upper and lower motor neuron diseases. These help in assessing the state of the nervous system, specifically noting depressions in reflexes indicative of nerve issues such as neuropathy. Reflexes and muscle tone help localize neurologic lesions.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Once the neurological exam is completed, the focus shifts to lesion localization, determining whether the problem is intracranial or involves the spinal cord. Intracranial signs differ based on forebrain versus brainstem or cerebellum involvement. Peripheral nervous system problems may involve muscles or nerves and manifest in specific symptoms.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Forebrain lesions typically present with mentation changes and normal gait but may include circling and visual deficits. Cats and dogs may show specific signs like circling or ignoring stimuli on one side due to brain lesions. Differentiating these presentations is crucial for accurate diagnosis.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Brainstem lesions result in significant ataxia or paresis. Clinical signs involve cranial nerves 3 through 12 and result in noticeable balance issues or head tilts. Cerebellar lesions lead to ataxia without weakness, featuring dysmetria and occasional vestibular signs. Such lesions require distinguishing between central and peripheral problems.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Vestibular diseases present with head tilts and nystagmus, helping to identify between central or peripheral origins. Central vestibular symptoms might include additional cranial nerve issues or proprioceptive deficits, whereas peripheral usually involves concurrent Horner's syndrome. Differences in signs dictate treatment paths.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Spinal cord lesions are discussed next, ranging from the cervical spine to sacral spine, each presenting distinct reflex and gait changes. Upper cervical lesions result in normal or heightened reflexes, while lower and thoracic regions might show unique gait patterns like "two-engine" gait with affected proprioception or reflexes.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    T3-L3 lesions often result in normal forelimb function but can show severe hindlimb weakness. Unique signs include Sherrington posture and different reactions based on lesion location. Incontinence issues might hint at specific cord involvement. Precise diagnosis is key as spinal localization guides treatment strategies.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    Caudal lumbar and sacral lesions cause varying degrees of hindlimb weakness. The range and type of motor deficits help localize lesions, with further details on paralysis unlikely from very caudal problems. Peripheral nervous system issues display decreased tone and may have focal or systemic causes.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:00:00

    Peripheral nervous system lesions are less common and manifest with normal mentation but decreased limb function, possibly due to localized traumas or neuropathies. Distinguishing between the types, including conditions like botulism or tick paralysis, is based on reflex absence across limbs and maintained sensations.

  • 01:00:00 - 01:05:00

    Neuromuscular junction disorders, primarily myasthenia gravis, are characterized by weakness potentially stemming from muscular disorders. Detailed explorations discuss symptom triggers, diagnostic distinctions, and the importance of measuring receptor antibody levels. Handling prognosis with appropriate medications is highlighted.

  • 01:05:00 - 01:10:00

    Myopathies present variedly, with symptoms ranging from decreased tone to hypertrophy. Challenges arise in distinguishing these from orthopedic issues. Diagnostic focus includes high CPK levels and careful differentiation between movement disorders versus systemic muscular issues.

  • 01:10:00 - 01:15:00

    Movement disorders, though infrequent, mimic seizures and involve involuntary, repetitive motions, often requiring video documentation from owners for diagnosis. Various treatment options exist based on specific conditions, with some breeds displaying unique tendencies.

  • 01:15:00 - 01:23:14

    The session goes into detailed case studies to conclude, examining conditions such as meningitis, diskospondylitis, and brain tumors. Each case includes diagnostics, typical presentations, prognosis, and treatment options like surgery or long-term care strategies, showcasing real-world applications of neurological exams and lesion localization.

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  • What tools are needed for a neurological exam?

    You need a good light source, a reflex hammer, hemostats, and a non-slip surface such as a yoga mat.

  • What does 'para' refer to in terms of neurological conditions?

    'Para' refers to conditions affecting the rear legs, like paraparesis or paraplegia.

  • How can you distinguish between ataxia and paresis?

    Ataxia involves lack of coordination, while paresis involves weakness. It's important to distinguish them as different diseases can cause either or both.

  • Why is it beneficial to let a patient move freely in the exam room during a neurological exam?

    Observing the animal freely moving can help detect signs that are not visible when the animal is leashed or held.

  • What is considered normal for pupillary light reflex in a hospital setting?

    A normal PLR would involve both pupils being equal in size and responding to light stimulus, even if the reflex is incomplete due to stress.

  • What is 'spinal shock'?

    Spinal shock is a condition where acute lesions in the spinal cord cause temporary loss of reflexes below the lesion site.

  • What are the common presentations of vestibular disease?

    Vestibular disease usually involves a head tilt, strabismus, and potentially pathologic nystagmus.

  • How is an FCE diagnosed?

    An FCE, or fibrocartilaginous embolism, is diagnosed via MRI where changes in the spinal cord are visible.

  • What are potential causes of fecal incontinence in dogs with spinal cord lesions?

    Fecal incontinence can occur with lesions affecting the dorsal part of the spinal cord, often due to tumors or cysts.

  • What are the signs of paradoxical vestibular disease?

    Paradoxical vestibular disease might show a head tilt opposite the lesion side, combined with cerebellar signs like dysmetria.

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    tonight we're gonna go over for the
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    first half we're gonna go over the
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    neurological exam which is something
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    that I've done before if you've been to
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    one of my talks but I thought it's a
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    really important thing for all
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    neurologic cases the neurologic exam can
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    tell us a lot so making sure you have a
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    good understanding of it and then being
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    able to localize your lesion is really
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    important before even considering
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    talking about differentials and then the
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    second half of the talk we're going to
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    go over some actual cases so we don't
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    need any fancy equipment to do the
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    neurologic exam you need a good light
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    source a bright light source a reflex
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    hammer some hemostats and then ideally a
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    non-slip surface we use a yoga mat on
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    our exam tables to help with that that's
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    pretty cheap throughout the hospital the
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    floors are a little bit slick so we'll
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    often take animals outside so I have a
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    better surface to walk on or we'll take
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    them into our rehab room has good
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    traction on the floor the things you're
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    going to assess for the neurology exam
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    will include the mentation the head and
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    neck posture cranial nerves the gait our
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    postural reactions or proprioception
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    reflexes funiculus and then palpation is
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    this animal painful when describing the
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    gait if an animal is weak in the rear
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    legs call that paraparesis
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    if they have no visible voluntary motor
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    that's paraplegia so anytime you say
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    para that's referring just to the rear
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    legs if it's one-sided so front and back
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    legs on the same side then that would be
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    hemiparesis or plea gia and then if it's
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    one leg it'd be mono and if it's all
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    four then you can call it Quadra or
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    tetra precess or plea gia either either
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    term is appropriate and then the other
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    distinction is trying to determine
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    between a taxi and paresis animals can
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    be a toxic but not B week which is what
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    paresis implies and we can also have
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    animals that are paretic but not a toxic
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    and
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    it's important to try to distinguish
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    between because different diseases will
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    sometimes cause just one of those and
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    not the other so I'd like to have all of
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    my patients in a room where I can let
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    them off leash so they can walk around
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    if you're you know the owners holding
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    them or you just are looking at them on
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    the exam table or you're walking them up
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    and down the hallway on the leash it's
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    really hard to appreciate a lot of
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    things and just having them loose in the
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    exam room even if it's just while you're
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    getting a history from the owner talking
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    you can learn a lot ideally I think it
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    should be done away from the owner
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    because I think they act different when
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    they're away from the owner but just
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    walking see or watching this animal and
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    seeing are they interested in their
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    surroundings they respond to you or they
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    bumping into things are they walking in
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    circles are they off-balance and then
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    cranial nerves are typically next I
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    tried to do things in the same order
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    every time so I don't leave something
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    out with cranial nerves you want to
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    assess the Menace and each eye
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    individually while the other eyes
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    covered check the pupil size before you
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    check their PLR to see if before you do
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    that are they equal in size and then did
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    they both respond the same to light a
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    lot of animals are scared when they're
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    in the hospital so they might have an
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    incomplete PLR but as long as there's
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    some response and the pupils are equal
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    in size then I usually consider that
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    normal and then I check for facial
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    sensation and check for physiologic
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    nystagmus by moving their head side to
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    side or if it's a small animal you can
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    just kind of pick them up and turn them
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    in a circle while you watch their eyes
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    and make sure they have that normal
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    doll's eye movement and then will always
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    check for pathologic nystagmus by
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    letting them on their right and left
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    side and then in dorsal recumbent C I
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    usually do that as part of the reflexes
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    so we don't have to lay them down
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    separate times
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    when you're turning their head side to
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    side they should have that sort of
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    ticking motion with their eyes it's
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    pretty rare to come across a an animal
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    with no physiologic nystagmus but if you
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    have a bilateral vestibular lesion which
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    then would make them not have a head
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    tilt they sometimes will have
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    physiologic or pathologic nystagmus for
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    proprioception there's a few different
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    things you can do doing the what's
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    called perceptive positioning or
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    knuckling is something that we do in
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    pretty much every animal and that's done
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    with each leg individually while you're
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    supporting their weight are usually with
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    a small dog of this size I would do it
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    up on the table but sometimes I find
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    animals react different when they're on
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    the table and if they're kind of slow or
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    sluggish when I'm doing this and I don't
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    that doesn't quite fit with what I'm
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    seeing otherwise I'll repeat it on the
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    floor sometimes I think they're scared
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    on the table and just behaviorally they
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    might be a little slow in small dogs you
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    can also do hopping which is done on
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    each leg individually when you hop them
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    laterally while you try to put most of
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    their weight over that leg that you're
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    testing you can do that for the front
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    and the back legs for big dogs where you
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    may not be able to pick them up and do
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    each individual leg you can do heavy
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    locking I don't think I did in this dog
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    where you'd pick up the legs on one side
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    of the body and push them over to the
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    other side and then for reflexes I try
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    to keep it simple I basically test
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    withdrawal in all four legs and then a
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    patellar reflex
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    I don't do triceps biceps cranial tibial
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    all that other stuff mainly because they
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    can be unreliable and sometimes hard to
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    elicit in normal patients and they don't
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    really add a whole lot to the exam so
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    the biggest thing you're trying to get
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    from the reflexes is are the reflexes
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    there or not I don't get hung up on is
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    this reflex a little hyper as long as it
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    seems like it's present then usually
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    you're not dealing with a lower motor
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    neuron type disease which would mean
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    something peripheral like a peripheral
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    neuropathy or something in the reflex
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    arc which
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    would be c6 2t 2 if you have depressed
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    reflexes in the front or l4 to s2 if
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    it's depressed reflexes in the rear so
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    you'll do your reflexes with the animal
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    and lateral recumbent C normally I'd
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    assess tone so flex the leg and then in
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    the back leg again I just do a patellar
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    reflex and a withdrawal sometimes if the
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    animal is really tense it can be hard to
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    elicit the patellar reflex or sometimes
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    it'll even be hyper and one thing you
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    can try is if you can't get a reflex
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    when the leg is up test it when the leg
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    is down it's usually more relaxed so as
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    long as you can get a reflex
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    even if you can't get it when the legs
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    up if you get it when that legs down
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    then I would still count it as being
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    present and then in the forelimb I just
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    do it withdrawal and that's assessing
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    pretty much all the nerves of the
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    brachial plexus once you've done the
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    neuro exam then the next step is to
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    localize Silesian so before we start
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    talking about differentials you want to
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    be able to take what you've found on
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    your exam and say this is where the
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    lesion is we break it down to these
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    locations is it intracranial and if it's
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    intracranial usually there's there's
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    pretty different signs when it comes to
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    a for brain lesion meaning something in
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    the cerebrum or the thalamus versus
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    something in the brainstem or cerebellum
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    if it's not intracranial you think it's
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    something involving the spinal cord then
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    you want to try to localize it to either
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    upper cervical lesion lower cervical
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    lesion at etl lesion or more of a level
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    sacral lesion and then also don't forget
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    sometimes the lesion doesn't fit into
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    one of those categories we might be
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    dealing with something involving the
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    peripheral nervous system so we could be
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    dealing with a muscle disorder a primary
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    nerve disorder or something involving
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    the neuromuscular Junction and then we
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    can see multifocal lesions I always try
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    to make everything fit with one lesion
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    locations most the time that's what
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    we're dealing with but sometimes we are
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    truly dealing with something that's
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    multifocal and it doesn't fit in one
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    spot
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    when it comes to the forebrain one of
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    the hallmarks is an animal that has a
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    mentation change they may be dulls they
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    may be demented but typically these
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    animals are gonna have a normal gait
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    these animals are not significantly
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    ataxic or poetic but they may be
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    circling they may be pacing they can
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    have visual deficits but no other
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    cranial nerves are going to be affected
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    if we're truly dealing with a forebrain
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    lesion this is an example of a cat that
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    had a right-sided four brain lesion you
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    can see this cat is pacing occasionally
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    circles to the right side which they
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    usually are going to circle towards the
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    side of the lesion but this animal is
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    not significantly ataxic on neuro exam
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    we would expect him to have
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    proprioceptive deficits on the left side
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    so the proprioceptive deficits are going
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    to be contralateral to your lesion he
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    could potentially have a visual deficit
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    also on the opposite side but no other
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    cranial nerves should be affected this
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    is an example of a dog with the right
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    for brain lesion so they they can have
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    big circles or little circles it's
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    really variable but you can see this dog
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    is obviously circling he's not I would
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    not call him significantly toxic he
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    doesn't have a head tilt versus we'll
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    see one in a little bit that looks very
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    similar to this but it's just some
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    slight differences and then this is an
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    interesting syndrome that it's pretty
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    rare but sometimes seen with four brain
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    lesions where animals will basically
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    ignore everything on the side opposite
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    thoroughly Jie so this dog would the
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    owners film this at home only eat yet a
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    left-sided legion and he ignored
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    everything on the right side if you
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    touch this dog on the right side of the
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    face he acted like he didn't feel it it
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    wasn't that he didn't have facial
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    sensation he just didn't have any
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    response
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    if you turn after he ate out of the left
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    side of the bowl if you turned it around
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    then he would eat out of the other side
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    but otherwise they basically don't
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    recognize stuff on the opposite side
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    Elysian so to have that that degree of
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    asymmetry is pretty unusual but you can
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    see that with a forebrain lesion when
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    we're dealing with lesions in the brain
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    stem this is when you're gonna see
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    significant ataxia or precess that
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    affects all four legs and you also this
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    is where the majority of your cranial
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    nerves from come from cranial nerves 3
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    through 12 originate from the brain stem
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    so any of these can be affected
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    depending where in the brainstem your
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    lesion is this little dog looks similar
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    to the other one that we saw circling
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    other than this one's going to go to the
  • 00:11:31
    left which with the brainstem if they're
  • 00:11:33
    circling it's also usually towards the
  • 00:11:35
    side of the lesion the difference is
  • 00:11:38
    this dog as you can see is more ataxic
  • 00:11:40
    he's tumbling and he has a definite head
  • 00:11:44
    tilt pure cerebellar lesions are not
  • 00:11:48
    super common there's often when we're
  • 00:11:52
    dealing with a lesion in the cerebellum
  • 00:11:53
    there's often some brain stem
  • 00:11:54
    involvement they're so closely
  • 00:11:56
    associated but if you had a pure
  • 00:11:58
    cerebellar lesion things you might see
  • 00:12:00
    are eight Axia but without weakness so
  • 00:12:05
    there's no loss of strength but these
  • 00:12:07
    animals can be significantly ataxic
  • 00:12:08
    sometimes it can be a little hard to
  • 00:12:10
    tell that they're not weak they are
  • 00:12:13
    going to have normal reflexes depending
  • 00:12:16
    on what part of the cerebellum is
  • 00:12:18
    affected you may or may not see obvious
  • 00:12:20
    vestibular signs so they may not have a
  • 00:12:22
    head tilt they may not have nystagmus
  • 00:12:23
    but the eight Axia and hyper materia and
  • 00:12:26
    dysmetria are the hallmarks of this they
  • 00:12:31
    will sometimes have a menace deficit
  • 00:12:33
    although their vision is normal and that
  • 00:12:36
    will usually be on the side of the
  • 00:12:37
    lesion if it's a asymmetrical lesion
  • 00:12:41
    this is a dog with a congenital
  • 00:12:43
    cerebellar lesion so it was a pure
  • 00:12:45
    cerebellar lesion it doesn't have
  • 00:12:48
    proprioceptive deficits it just has this
  • 00:12:50
    really pronounced
  • 00:12:52
    what I'd call a dysmetria hyper Metria
  • 00:12:56
    and then this little dog you'll pay
  • 00:12:59
    attention to her left front leg you can
  • 00:13:04
    see the pronounced type
  • 00:13:05
    metria she's really excited about her
  • 00:13:09
    treat and I wanted to talk about
  • 00:13:13
    vestibular disease a little bit
  • 00:13:15
    separately because it I think is
  • 00:13:17
    confusing a lot of times though the
  • 00:13:20
    hallmarks of vestibular disease are
  • 00:13:23
    gonna include a head tilt
  • 00:13:25
    these animals usually will have a
  • 00:13:26
    corresponding strabismus and that the
  • 00:13:29
    side of the head tilt they may have
  • 00:13:32
    pathologic nystagmus
  • 00:13:34
    they're usually ataxic they may lean or
  • 00:13:37
    roll these things tell you if you see
  • 00:13:40
    them we have vestibular disease it does
  • 00:13:43
    not tell you the etiology diagnosis so
  • 00:13:47
    from there well if you see these signs
  • 00:13:49
    you know we're dealing with the
  • 00:13:51
    vestibular lesion the next thing to try
  • 00:13:54
    to figure out is is this lesion central
  • 00:13:56
    or peripheral my central meaning we're
  • 00:13:59
    dealing with a problem in the brainstem
  • 00:14:01
    usually the caudal brainstem where the
  • 00:14:04
    vestibular nuclei are located because of
  • 00:14:07
    the location of the lesion there's a lot
  • 00:14:08
    of other cranial nerves nearby you may
  • 00:14:11
    see other cranial nerve deficits
  • 00:14:13
    fermentation may be affected so these
  • 00:14:16
    animals can be dull or depressed and
  • 00:14:19
    they not always but one of the hallmarks
  • 00:14:23
    is they may have proprioceptive deficits
  • 00:14:26
    which will be on the same side as the
  • 00:14:28
    lesion if there is vertical nystagmus
  • 00:14:32
    that's another big clue that this is a
  • 00:14:35
    central lesion and not something
  • 00:14:37
    peripheral although if you see rotary or
  • 00:14:40
    horizontal that does not distinguish
  • 00:14:42
    between one or the other with peripheral
  • 00:14:45
    disease I'd say one of the big hallmarks
  • 00:14:48
    is Horner's if you have an animal come
  • 00:14:50
    in that has a concurrent Horner's that
  • 00:14:52
    is rarely ever a central lesion that
  • 00:14:54
    usually indicates a peripheral lesion
  • 00:14:56
    these animals again are very ataxic if
  • 00:14:59
    it's peripheral but they should not be
  • 00:15:02
    paretic or have proprioceptive deficits
  • 00:15:04
    they may also have a concurrent cranial
  • 00:15:07
    nerve seven deficit by looking at this
  • 00:15:09
    dog we can see he's a toxic he stumbles
  • 00:15:12
    to the right he's got a right-sided head
  • 00:15:14
    tilt so we know this dog has a
  • 00:15:17
    vestibular condition
  • 00:15:19
    until you do more of the exam you can't
  • 00:15:22
    tell is this central or peripheral just
  • 00:15:24
    by looking at him but you can tell
  • 00:15:26
    immediately this dog has some sort of a
  • 00:15:28
    stimulus function if they're really a
  • 00:15:31
    tactic it can be very difficult to do
  • 00:15:33
    proprioception in these guys but in a
  • 00:15:36
    dog like this that's able to stand up
  • 00:15:38
    he's not rolling it's it's pretty easy
  • 00:15:43
    to do and this dog did not have any
  • 00:15:46
    repeatable deficits and then a subset of
  • 00:15:50
    central vestibular disease is going to
  • 00:15:52
    be paradoxical vestibular disease we can
  • 00:15:57
    see this when there's a lesion in a very
  • 00:16:01
    specific part of the cerebellum where
  • 00:16:04
    it's called paradoxical cuz your head
  • 00:16:06
    till is going to be on the side opposite
  • 00:16:08
    of your lesion so if you look if you
  • 00:16:11
    look at this dog you're gonna really
  • 00:16:13
    appreciate the hyper metria and the
  • 00:16:15
    right front leg and that tells us
  • 00:16:18
    there's probably some cerebellar
  • 00:16:20
    involvement but yet the hyper meter is
  • 00:16:22
    on one side and the head tilts to the
  • 00:16:23
    other so this is a an example of where
  • 00:16:27
    you can just look at this dog and tell
  • 00:16:30
    this dog has to have a lesion in the
  • 00:16:32
    brain stem or cerebellum this is not
  • 00:16:34
    going to be a peripheral lesion when you
  • 00:16:36
    see this alright we're moving on to the
  • 00:16:40
    spinal cord and again if anyone has
  • 00:16:42
    questions please interrupt me when we're
  • 00:16:44
    dealing with a lesion in the upper
  • 00:16:46
    cervical spinal cord we are gonna have
  • 00:16:48
    normal reflexes or hyper reflexes and
  • 00:16:51
    all limbs but the most important thing
  • 00:16:52
    is that you should have reflexes in all
  • 00:16:54
    of your limbs depending on what the
  • 00:16:57
    cause is they may or may not be painful
  • 00:17:00
    you can see a Horner's with a lesion in
  • 00:17:03
    the upper cervical spine on the side of
  • 00:17:05
    the lesion and you may have
  • 00:17:07
    proprioceptive deficits in all four or
  • 00:17:09
    potentially lateral eyes on just one
  • 00:17:11
    side depending on the lesion so I would
  • 00:17:15
    call this dog non ambulatory Quadra
  • 00:17:18
    paretic he's got voluntary motor much
  • 00:17:21
    better on the left side than the right
  • 00:17:22
    but this dog cannot walk without
  • 00:17:24
    assistance if you hold him up you can
  • 00:17:26
    see the motor he's got pretty
  • 00:17:28
    significant proprioceptive deficits
  • 00:17:31
    on the right side but actually is pretty
  • 00:17:35
    good and that left front so just by
  • 00:17:38
    looking at this dog you couldn't
  • 00:17:39
    necessarily tell just from this part
  • 00:17:42
    that this is a c1 c5 lesion but we know
  • 00:17:45
    looking at him all four legs are
  • 00:17:48
    affected we have to be dealing with
  • 00:17:50
    something cervical or higher there's no
  • 00:17:52
    the mentation is normal there's no
  • 00:17:54
    cranial nerve deficits and then if you
  • 00:17:56
    have normal reflexes in the limbs then
  • 00:18:00
    you'd be able to localize it to c1 the
  • 00:18:02
    c5 when you are dealing with lesions in
  • 00:18:05
    the caudal cervical or upper thoracic
  • 00:18:07
    spine the hallmark of this is going to
  • 00:18:10
    be usually a two engine gait this is
  • 00:18:13
    where they have a real short and choppy
  • 00:18:15
    gait in the four limbs and they're a
  • 00:18:18
    toxic inner ear so these dogs often come
  • 00:18:21
    in with an owner complain of just rear
  • 00:18:24
    limb weakness or eight axia they don't
  • 00:18:26
    often I'd say most owners often don't
  • 00:18:29
    appreciate the four limb signs they may
  • 00:18:32
    have progressive deficits in all four or
  • 00:18:34
    again one sided although a lot of these
  • 00:18:36
    dogs won't have proprioception deficits
  • 00:18:39
    in the four lands they'll just have it
  • 00:18:40
    in the rear and the way you can
  • 00:18:42
    appreciate that this lesion is actually
  • 00:18:45
    cervical is how short and choppy they
  • 00:18:47
    are in the front or having decreased
  • 00:18:49
    withdrawal in the four limbs you can
  • 00:18:53
    also get a horn errs with a lesion here
  • 00:18:55
    as well this is a classic example of a
  • 00:18:59
    wobbler Dobby so these guys again often
  • 00:19:04
    don't have proprioceptive deficits in
  • 00:19:06
    the four limbs unless that's a really
  • 00:19:08
    severe lesion and it'll often just be in
  • 00:19:10
    the rear but this dogs got a good
  • 00:19:13
    withdrawal in the rear and then what
  • 00:19:16
    you'll see is in the four limb he can
  • 00:19:18
    feel it but he does not he's not able to
  • 00:19:21
    pull the him back yeah oftentimes when
  • 00:19:24
    they can't pull the limb back what
  • 00:19:25
    you'll see is they'll kind of kick the
  • 00:19:27
    leg backwards like that at you they
  • 00:19:30
    filled it but he can't completely flex
  • 00:19:33
    the limb here's another one that I think
  • 00:19:35
    is a little bit more pronounced you can
  • 00:19:38
    see how short and choppy he is in the
  • 00:19:40
    four limbs and he's got these longer
  • 00:19:42
    strides in the rear
  • 00:19:44
    so the two-engine gate you know the four
  • 00:19:47
    limbs and the rear limbs are are kind of
  • 00:19:49
    functioning at very different paces for
  • 00:19:52
    lesions in the t3 l3 spine these animals
  • 00:19:56
    should have normal four limb gate and
  • 00:19:58
    normal proprioception in the four limbs
  • 00:20:00
    and depending on the type of lesion how
  • 00:20:03
    severe it is they may be para paretic or
  • 00:20:06
    paraplegic lesions in this area can also
  • 00:20:09
    cause shift Sherrington posture where if
  • 00:20:12
    they're laying on their side they have
  • 00:20:14
    really increased extensor tone in the
  • 00:20:15
    four limbs sometimes it can be a little
  • 00:20:18
    confusing when they come in if they are
  • 00:20:20
    recumbent and you see that and one way
  • 00:20:23
    to know it's not a cervical lesion if
  • 00:20:25
    you get these animals up and you
  • 00:20:26
    wheelbarrow them they should be normal
  • 00:20:28
    in the four limbs versus if it's a
  • 00:20:30
    cervical lesions caused ago to get them
  • 00:20:32
    up and wheelbarrow them they should have
  • 00:20:33
    some deficits in the four limbs we also
  • 00:20:37
    can see with these speaking continents
  • 00:20:40
    and that's something that I see a lot of
  • 00:20:42
    patients someone say a lot I see
  • 00:20:44
    patients come in that have had reports
  • 00:20:47
    of fecal incontinence and so when they
  • 00:20:48
    come in to me they're often coming in
  • 00:20:51
    with the report of you know suspect when
  • 00:20:54
    will sacral lesion or something in the
  • 00:20:56
    hell 4s2 spine and a lot of these guys
  • 00:20:59
    they have but they have normal anal tone
  • 00:21:01
    so we can see fecal incontinence with
  • 00:21:05
    lesions higher up in the spinal cord
  • 00:21:07
    specifically if the lesions affecting
  • 00:21:09
    the dorsal part of the spinal cord so
  • 00:21:12
    it's not super common to see this with
  • 00:21:14
    something like disc disease but I see
  • 00:21:17
    this in more dogs that have things on
  • 00:21:23
    the dorsal part of the cord which the
  • 00:21:24
    two main things we would see there would
  • 00:21:26
    either be a tumor or a cyst so depending
  • 00:21:29
    on the dog if it's a young dog then it's
  • 00:21:30
    more likely to be a cyst if it's an
  • 00:21:33
    older dog then and I see fecal
  • 00:21:34
    incontinence but it's suspected to have
  • 00:21:37
    a t3 l3 lesion then I start worrying
  • 00:21:39
    about things like tumors here's our
  • 00:21:41
    classic t3 l3 dachshund so a lot of
  • 00:21:45
    these guys can't walk but if you get
  • 00:21:46
    them up and support him or you know you
  • 00:21:49
    can see a little bit of motor present in
  • 00:21:50
    the rear legs sometimes you can see a
  • 00:21:52
    lot more than what you would expect I'll
  • 00:21:55
    often walk these guys by just supporting
  • 00:21:57
    them with their
  • 00:21:58
    if it's a big dog you can get them up
  • 00:22:00
    with a sling or a towel or something
  • 00:22:02
    under their abdomen so you can see how
  • 00:22:04
    much motor they have so this guy had
  • 00:22:07
    really good tone in the rear legs but
  • 00:22:09
    he's got absent proprioception and then
  • 00:22:12
    his four limbs are normal although it
  • 00:22:14
    can be tough in some of these animals if
  • 00:22:16
    they can't support any weight on the
  • 00:22:18
    rear legs to test proprioception in the
  • 00:22:20
    front if you're having to hold them up
  • 00:22:22
    in the back so you can hop them would be
  • 00:22:25
    sometimes more reliable so again I don't
  • 00:22:28
    get hung up on is this leat is this
  • 00:22:30
    reflex hyper is it normal we're just
  • 00:22:33
    trying to make sure that it's present
  • 00:22:34
    it's not absent or severely depressed
  • 00:22:37
    when you're testing withdrawal if the
  • 00:22:40
    animal has visible voluntary motor I'm
  • 00:22:42
    usually not trying to determine if they
  • 00:22:45
    have deep pain if they have motor they
  • 00:22:46
    should have deep pain if they don't have
  • 00:22:49
    motor then that's when you want to while
  • 00:22:52
    you're testing withdrawal you want to
  • 00:22:53
    check and see are they feeling it so by
  • 00:22:56
    pulling the leg back that doesn't mean
  • 00:22:58
    they can feel it you want to see a
  • 00:23:00
    visible reaction from them they squeal
  • 00:23:02
    or they turn around and try to bite you
  • 00:23:04
    with lesions in the caudal lumbar spine
  • 00:23:08
    - sacral spine we can still get hair
  • 00:23:12
    precess and occasionally paraplegia if
  • 00:23:15
    the lesions more towards l4 but the
  • 00:23:18
    further caudal you go in the spine the
  • 00:23:20
    less likely you are to actually see
  • 00:23:22
    significant motor deficits we would
  • 00:23:25
    never see paralysis from a lesion l6 to
  • 00:23:30
    l7 or caudal their spinal cord is
  • 00:23:32
    already tapering off by that point so
  • 00:23:35
    you can certainly see some weakness you
  • 00:23:37
    might see lameness more likely but
  • 00:23:40
    you're not going to see paralysis with a
  • 00:23:42
    lesion that far caudal in the spine if
  • 00:23:45
    the lesion is more towards l4 l6 you
  • 00:23:47
    might have a depressed patellar reflex
  • 00:23:49
    and then if it's further caudal you
  • 00:23:51
    might have a decreased withdrawal and
  • 00:23:53
    these are also the animals that can have
  • 00:23:56
    decreased or absent anal tone this dog
  • 00:24:00
    is a little hard to appreciate just from
  • 00:24:02
    this video but this dog had a pretty
  • 00:24:04
    classic gait for a dog with a caudal
  • 00:24:09
    lumbar lesion
  • 00:24:10
    he had really decreased tone in the
  • 00:24:12
    pelvic limbs if you stood this dog up
  • 00:24:14
    and you didn't support him at all he
  • 00:24:16
    could not hold any of his own weight but
  • 00:24:18
    yet if you held him up he had good motor
  • 00:24:21
    these guys will often not necessarily be
  • 00:24:23
    completely knuckling or dragging they
  • 00:24:25
    might have decent motor but they have
  • 00:24:27
    really decreased tone so they can't hold
  • 00:24:29
    themselves up alright we're gonna move
  • 00:24:31
    on to the peripheral nervous system
  • 00:24:33
    Liam's here are not nearly as common as
  • 00:24:36
    lesions affecting the spinal cord or
  • 00:24:39
    even the brain so you will see these
  • 00:24:41
    much much less often when you do these
  • 00:24:45
    animals are gonna have a normal
  • 00:24:46
    mentation some neuropathies can affect
  • 00:24:49
    cranial nerves so there can be some
  • 00:24:51
    cranial nerve involvement specifically
  • 00:24:53
    se7 would be the most common one that
  • 00:24:55
    you would see and the hallmark of a
  • 00:24:57
    peripheral neuropathy is usually
  • 00:24:59
    decreased tone and depending on the
  • 00:25:03
    degree of the neuropathy you know you
  • 00:25:05
    might have paralysis of the affected
  • 00:25:07
    limbs if we're dealing with something
  • 00:25:09
    affecting one limb then your top
  • 00:25:11
    differentials are going to be either a
  • 00:25:13
    traumatic lesion like a brachial plexus
  • 00:25:15
    avulsion or neoplasia when we have a
  • 00:25:19
    neuropathy affecting all four limbs then
  • 00:25:22
    you have a pretty small list of things
  • 00:25:24
    to choose from so things like tick
  • 00:25:26
    paralysis botulism some envenomations
  • 00:25:29
    that we don't really see here can cause
  • 00:25:32
    a generalized neuropathy there are some
  • 00:25:34
    drugs like vincristine that can cause a
  • 00:25:36
    neuropathy this is an example of a dog
  • 00:25:39
    that had suspected botulism or COO noun
  • 00:25:44
    paralysis where the dog had no reflexes
  • 00:25:47
    and any of its limbs he still had
  • 00:25:49
    sensation so if you have no reflexes in
  • 00:25:57
    the front or the back limbs you either
  • 00:26:00
    have to give this dog a lesion in two
  • 00:26:03
    locations you have to give it a c62 and
  • 00:26:06
    then a l4s to lesion which would be very
  • 00:26:09
    unlikely so your other option is this is
  • 00:26:11
    a generalized neuropathy and when it
  • 00:26:16
    comes to that like I said there's very
  • 00:26:17
    few rule outs there are no real tests to
  • 00:26:22
    do to try
  • 00:26:23
    distinguishes this botulism versus
  • 00:26:25
    Coonan paralysis tick paralysis can look
  • 00:26:30
    the same
  • 00:26:31
    you'd go looking for a tick on these
  • 00:26:33
    animals we I would often if I had a
  • 00:26:35
    patient come in like this you know we
  • 00:26:38
    certainly search for the tick we often
  • 00:26:40
    will put frontline or something on them
  • 00:26:42
    in case it's somewhere we just can't
  • 00:26:43
    find but that's a pretty rare thing it's
  • 00:26:47
    more common to see the poonhound
  • 00:26:50
    paralysis or botulism there's no
  • 00:26:55
    treatment for either of those it's just
  • 00:26:58
    time and supportive care and this is
  • 00:27:01
    actually a little dog so I never get to
  • 00:27:03
    see this I think this was only the
  • 00:27:05
    second case I had actually seen of tick
  • 00:27:07
    paralysis we all you know want to think
  • 00:27:10
    that this is what it is when they come
  • 00:27:12
    in in their week but it never really is
  • 00:27:13
    but this one actually was although this
  • 00:27:16
    dog actually presented pretty
  • 00:27:18
    differently than what I would expect so
  • 00:27:20
    this little dog looks a toxic in most of
  • 00:27:23
    time with the neuropathy they're not a
  • 00:27:25
    toxic they're really weak but this dog
  • 00:27:27
    was we also saw which is not included in
  • 00:27:30
    this video
  • 00:27:31
    he had a facial nerve paralysis on one
  • 00:27:34
    side and he had the press reflexes all
  • 00:27:37
    over so when I looked at this dog you
  • 00:27:39
    know it didn't make sense and then we
  • 00:27:42
    started searching and in his big poof
  • 00:27:44
    ball of hair we found the big tick and
  • 00:27:46
    we removed it and then this is him the
  • 00:27:49
    next day so I was a little skeptical
  • 00:27:53
    that that was what this was because of
  • 00:27:55
    how he attacks like he was but he never
  • 00:27:58
    came back
  • 00:27:58
    so the next liter location we're going
  • 00:28:04
    to talk about is neuromuscular Junction
  • 00:28:05
    and pretty much when we think of this
  • 00:28:07
    we're going to be really thinking about
  • 00:28:09
    my Senia gravis and these animals again
  • 00:28:13
    are are not typically ataxic just very
  • 00:28:16
    weak their proprioception is usually
  • 00:28:19
    normal so that's another big clue that
  • 00:28:21
    if you have this really weak animal that
  • 00:28:22
    can't walk but yet you stand them up and
  • 00:28:25
    you test their proprioception it's gonna
  • 00:28:27
    be normal unless they're in which we'll
  • 00:28:29
    talk about there are some severe forms
  • 00:28:32
    of myasthenia where they may have
  • 00:28:33
    decreased proprioception
  • 00:28:35
    so this dog I believe actually came in
  • 00:28:38
    through our surgery service first
  • 00:28:41
    suspected him her first suspected
  • 00:28:44
    cruciate disease and this was kind of
  • 00:28:46
    his dog at its worst there when he
  • 00:28:48
    initially came in he could walk some and
  • 00:28:50
    then it had progressed to this point
  • 00:28:51
    where this dog wouldn't get up in the
  • 00:28:53
    rear so I looked at this dog and
  • 00:28:56
    suspected this dog had myasthenia gravis
  • 00:28:59
    so we did a tensilon test on him and
  • 00:29:02
    this was him right after the injection
  • 00:29:04
    you'll see in a minute that he starts to
  • 00:29:07
    get weak again so the tense alone
  • 00:29:08
    doesn't last very long you can see him
  • 00:29:13
    start to get stiff and and weak in the
  • 00:29:16
    rear
  • 00:29:23
    and we'll talk a little bit more about
  • 00:29:25
    this during one of our cases so
  • 00:29:28
    myopathies can present a lot of
  • 00:29:30
    different ways depending on the actual
  • 00:29:32
    disease some of these animals will have
  • 00:29:35
    really decreased muscle tone some of
  • 00:29:37
    them can have increased muscle tone some
  • 00:29:39
    of them result in muscle atrophy whereas
  • 00:29:42
    some myopathies actually cause muscle
  • 00:29:44
    hypertrophy the big thing again with
  • 00:29:47
    these animals is they're usually not
  • 00:29:48
    ataxic they may be weak they may have a
  • 00:29:51
    stiff gait but they're not typically
  • 00:29:53
    ataxic and proprioception is also
  • 00:29:55
    typically normal so these animals can be
  • 00:29:58
    if it's a generalized neuropathy or
  • 00:30:01
    excuse me my op a--they it can be hard
  • 00:30:03
    to distinguish this from some orthopedic
  • 00:30:05
    diseases or something like polyarthritis
  • 00:30:09
    this is a young German Shepherd that had
  • 00:30:12
    an immune mediated polymyositis so just
  • 00:30:17
    walking for watching this dog walk you
  • 00:30:20
    know one of my first thoughts would have
  • 00:30:22
    been is this a like a poly arthropathy
  • 00:30:25
    you didn't have any joint effusion or
  • 00:30:28
    joint pain if you're suspicious of
  • 00:30:30
    something like generalized myopathy a
  • 00:30:33
    good thing to check would be a CPK and
  • 00:30:35
    see if that's elevated if you have you
  • 00:30:39
    know not not just a slightly high CK but
  • 00:30:42
    if you have a significantly elevated CK
  • 00:30:44
    you're always going to want to try to
  • 00:30:46
    track down a muscle disorder
  • 00:30:48
    specifically if you can repeat it if you
  • 00:30:50
    see it you're not sure what to make of
  • 00:30:53
    it you repeat it it's still high then
  • 00:30:56
    we're going to be looking for some sort
  • 00:30:57
    of myopathy this is a little dachshund
  • 00:31:02
    that actually had a Cushing's myopathy
  • 00:31:04
    which is pretty rare but sometimes
  • 00:31:07
    doesn't show up in these guys until
  • 00:31:10
    after they're actually on treatment so
  • 00:31:12
    it's not always in undiagnosed dogs I've
  • 00:31:15
    seen it and it's not common I've seen a
  • 00:31:17
    few cases of it but I've seen it in ones
  • 00:31:19
    that were being treated for their
  • 00:31:21
    Cushing's once they get to this point
  • 00:31:25
    there's usually no no treatment for them
  • 00:31:27
    take a guess what this myopathy is
  • 00:31:33
    so that's a myelopathy this is a
  • 00:31:36
    myopathy so this is fibrotic myopathy or
  • 00:31:43
    sometimes it's called gracilis so
  • 00:31:45
    semitendinosus myopathy it's mainly seen
  • 00:31:49
    in German Shepherds there I think 90% of
  • 00:31:52
    the cases are seen in German shepherds
  • 00:31:54
    it can affect one or both rear legs and
  • 00:31:57
    it causes you'll see when the dog we've
  • 00:31:59
    kind of seen from behind this pretty
  • 00:32:01
    character is - gait - where the toe kind
  • 00:32:05
    of turns in and they have this real
  • 00:32:07
    shortened forward phase of the gait in
  • 00:32:10
    that leg because the muscle is basically
  • 00:32:12
    either the gracilis or the
  • 00:32:13
    semitendinosus has fibrosis and
  • 00:32:16
    contracted so they're unable to fully
  • 00:32:18
    bring the leg forward so the leg kind of
  • 00:32:21
    slaps down on the ground real quickly
  • 00:32:23
    and that foot turns in so this is
  • 00:32:25
    something that's diagnosed pretty much
  • 00:32:27
    just based on watching these animals
  • 00:32:29
    walk there's nothing you can do for it
  • 00:32:31
    typically they're not painful though
  • 00:32:33
    there is surgery that is kind of talked
  • 00:32:36
    about but you I think most of the cases
  • 00:32:39
    that are reported that have had surgery
  • 00:32:41
    the signs return within a few months of
  • 00:32:44
    surgery so it's more of a mechanical
  • 00:32:47
    lameness that this was seen in a working
  • 00:32:49
    dog you know they may not be able to
  • 00:32:51
    continue their job but as far as a pet
  • 00:32:54
    goes I mean it doesn't they can still
  • 00:32:56
    pretty much do most of their normal
  • 00:32:58
    things
  • 00:33:02
    no they usually don't so they're usually
  • 00:33:07
    don't scuff the foot something that
  • 00:33:11
    probably I'd say a lot of you may not
  • 00:33:14
    have heard of our movement disorders so
  • 00:33:17
    there's there's probably a few that you
  • 00:33:19
    may be familiar with you just don't
  • 00:33:20
    maybe know that they're called movement
  • 00:33:22
    disorders I'd say these are not super
  • 00:33:25
    well characterized at this point in
  • 00:33:27
    veterinary medicine they can be very
  • 00:33:29
    hard to distinguish from a seizure so
  • 00:33:31
    these are involuntary movements usually
  • 00:33:34
    repetitive movements that involve either
  • 00:33:37
    maybe one limb or sometimes the whole
  • 00:33:39
    body or even sometimes the head it's
  • 00:33:43
    thought that these usually are
  • 00:33:44
    originating from problems within the
  • 00:33:46
    basal ganglia which is in the brain and
  • 00:33:48
    helps control usually initiation of
  • 00:33:51
    movement this is where with parkinson's
  • 00:33:54
    where the lesion is we don't really see
  • 00:33:56
    that same thing occur in dogs with
  • 00:33:58
    lesions in that area but we can see
  • 00:34:00
    other movement disorders occur so these
  • 00:34:04
    animals have a normal mentation they're
  • 00:34:06
    usually going to be normal on exam and
  • 00:34:08
    the only way we're usually gonna realize
  • 00:34:11
    what it is is if the owner can get a
  • 00:34:13
    video or if they happen to do it in the
  • 00:34:15
    clinic which i think is pretty rare
  • 00:34:17
    there are some that are characterized in
  • 00:34:20
    animals as you can see so Scotty cramp
  • 00:34:23
    may be one that you've heard of the
  • 00:34:25
    episodic head tremors which we'll see in
  • 00:34:27
    a minute is now thought to be a movement
  • 00:34:30
    disorder although it's not been
  • 00:34:32
    completely worked out is what actually
  • 00:34:34
    causes this episodic falling in the
  • 00:34:37
    Cavaliers is one and then there's these
  • 00:34:41
    other breeds where they can have what
  • 00:34:44
    they call these paroxysmal dyskinesias
  • 00:34:46
    or they may have flexion of one or more
  • 00:34:49
    limbs kind of randomly these animals
  • 00:34:53
    usually don't respond to treatment
  • 00:34:55
    things that have been mentioned that you
  • 00:34:58
    can try or things like clonazepam
  • 00:35:01
    you can try anticonvulsant there's some
  • 00:35:04
    sporadic reports of dogs with these that
  • 00:35:06
    respond to anticonvulsant but most of
  • 00:35:08
    the time they don't
  • 00:35:09
    although specifically with Scottie cramp
  • 00:35:12
    we do know that that involves
  • 00:35:15
    fact in serotonin and the CNS and so
  • 00:35:17
    treatment for that is actually
  • 00:35:19
    fluoxetine this is a dog that I saw I
  • 00:35:23
    can't remember what his presenting
  • 00:35:25
    complaint but he would have these
  • 00:35:26
    episodes that usually happened when he
  • 00:35:29
    got to the noise so he was looking out
  • 00:35:31
    the gate and then I think he gets
  • 00:35:33
    startled so mentation wise you know he
  • 00:35:37
    was responsive he never lost
  • 00:35:40
    consciousness but he would do this
  • 00:35:43
    intermittently and as you can see even
  • 00:35:45
    when he's walking he looks abnormal so
  • 00:35:48
    we put this guy on some fluoxetine and
  • 00:35:51
    she responded pretty quickly I think
  • 00:35:54
    this dog was on it for quite a while and
  • 00:35:56
    then the owner herself started taking
  • 00:35:58
    the dog off and then she called me and
  • 00:36:00
    said he was starting to have episodes
  • 00:36:01
    again so we just put him back on it and
  • 00:36:04
    this is what we call episodic head
  • 00:36:07
    tremors or idiopathic head tremors I see
  • 00:36:10
    a lot of videos that people send to me
  • 00:36:14
    on this that you know they want to know
  • 00:36:17
    is this a seizure is this a focal
  • 00:36:19
    seizure these guys may do this side to
  • 00:36:22
    side or up and down head tremors but if
  • 00:36:25
    you can stop it they'll usually respond
  • 00:36:27
    to you there are meant Asians normal and
  • 00:36:30
    if you see it in one of these specific
  • 00:36:32
    breeds of Doberman a bulldog or a boxer
  • 00:36:34
    then you can feel pretty confident that
  • 00:36:36
    that's what this is it's not there's no
  • 00:36:38
    treatment for it
  • 00:36:39
    I wouldn't put these guys on ants I can
  • 00:36:41
    bowl since it's not seizure activity I
  • 00:36:43
    think it bothers the owners probably
  • 00:36:45
    more than it actually bothers the dog
  • 00:36:48
    all right we're gonna start with some
  • 00:36:50
    cases I might have to go a little fast
  • 00:36:53
    so we can make it through all the cases
  • 00:36:54
    but if you have specific questions about
  • 00:36:56
    any of these diseases just stop me this
  • 00:37:00
    is a 1 year old female intact Boxer mix
  • 00:37:03
    that presented
  • 00:37:05
    after the owners had gotten this dog and
  • 00:37:08
    only had it for just a short period they
  • 00:37:11
    didn't know any of her history so they
  • 00:37:12
    brought her in they not here they
  • 00:37:14
    brought her in to their primary
  • 00:37:16
    veterinarian she got vaccinated I can
  • 00:37:19
    remember if she had blood work at that
  • 00:37:20
    time or if it was afterwards so shortly
  • 00:37:23
    after that they reported that the dog
  • 00:37:26
    seemed lethargic not wanting to do much
  • 00:37:30
    between her regular vet and that you are
  • 00:37:32
    here she was seen a few times and at one
  • 00:37:35
    point was noted to have a temperature of
  • 00:37:37
    104 8 she did have blood work at one
  • 00:37:40
    point I can't remember exactly went in
  • 00:37:42
    the course but had an elevated white
  • 00:37:44
    blood cell count and was treated with an
  • 00:37:48
    inside showed us slight improvement but
  • 00:37:50
    just wasn't back to normal
  • 00:37:52
    so I ended up seeing this dog and on
  • 00:37:55
    exam the dog was mentally appropriate
  • 00:37:59
    responsive but had low head carriage
  • 00:38:01
    just didn't seem to want to lift its
  • 00:38:03
    head up in the room looked a little
  • 00:38:06
    stiff when I was walking around not a
  • 00:38:08
    tactic had normal proprioception and
  • 00:38:11
    this dog was painful with palpation of
  • 00:38:14
    the caudal thoracic spine and also
  • 00:38:16
    seemed painful moving its head around so
  • 00:38:20
    where would we localize this dog this is
  • 00:38:23
    one where I thought it probably seemed
  • 00:38:26
    more cervical but I did get some
  • 00:38:27
    thoracic pain so this may be multifocal
  • 00:38:31
    so then we come up with a list of
  • 00:38:33
    differentials and once we have our
  • 00:38:36
    lesion localization then our signal
  • 00:38:39
    meant we usually can come up with a
  • 00:38:42
    fairly short list of differentials
  • 00:38:43
    depending on the history so this being a
  • 00:38:46
    really young dog we had IBD D on our
  • 00:38:48
    differential list though a dog any dog
  • 00:38:51
    under a year of age or around a year of
  • 00:38:53
    age I've never seen IV D D if it wasn't
  • 00:38:56
    due to some sort of traumatic event like
  • 00:39:00
    being hit by a car so other things
  • 00:39:02
    though I would consider in a young dog
  • 00:39:04
    like this would be something like Disko
  • 00:39:05
    spondylitis
  • 00:39:06
    which can be multifocal neoplasia even
  • 00:39:10
    though this is a really young dog there
  • 00:39:12
    are certain cancers that we see in
  • 00:39:14
    really young dogs specifically things
  • 00:39:15
    involving the nervous system meningitis
  • 00:39:18
    was another top differential and then
  • 00:39:21
    polyarthritis or polymyositis were also
  • 00:39:24
    differentials though I could not find
  • 00:39:25
    any specific joint pain on this dog but
  • 00:39:28
    these guys with polyarthritis sometimes
  • 00:39:31
    can manifest with just spinal pain they
  • 00:39:33
    don't always have the joint signs
  • 00:39:34
    initially but because she came to me and
  • 00:39:37
    I'm a neurologist I recommended a CSF
  • 00:39:40
    tap so a dog like this is a really good
  • 00:39:43
    candidate for a spinal tap if this dog
  • 00:39:45
    had been 6 years old and came out with
  • 00:39:48
    these same exact symptoms I wouldn't
  • 00:39:50
    necessarily jump to spinal taps the
  • 00:39:52
    chance of something like meningitis
  • 00:39:53
    would be pretty low at that age and I'd
  • 00:39:56
    be worried about other things so when it
  • 00:39:59
    comes to a spinal tap the findings can
  • 00:40:01
    be pretty nonspecific there's very few
  • 00:40:04
    diseases where we actually diagnose them
  • 00:40:06
    with a spinal tap so this is obviously a
  • 00:40:10
    different dog not the same one but to do
  • 00:40:13
    a spinal tap we do place them under
  • 00:40:15
    general anesthesia if you're
  • 00:40:17
    right-handed you're gonna place them and
  • 00:40:18
    write louder ever come and see and then
  • 00:40:21
    basically palpate the wings of c1 and
  • 00:40:24
    the occipital protuberance and go in the
  • 00:40:28
    middle the occipital protuberance kind
  • 00:40:31
    of tells you where your midline is and
  • 00:40:34
    then the wings of the atlas kind of give
  • 00:40:36
    you an idea of you don't want to go
  • 00:40:37
    further caudal than that this dog had a
  • 00:40:41
    very abnormal CSF this is not the dog
  • 00:40:43
    that I showed before but normally we'll
  • 00:40:47
    just let it drip out and collect it
  • 00:40:49
    usually into a non-additive tube unless
  • 00:40:52
    it's really bloody like this then we put
  • 00:40:55
    it in a purple top so it doesn't clot so
  • 00:40:58
    the one-year-old Boxer mix that came in
  • 00:41:00
    the spinal tap came back and that dog
  • 00:41:03
    had I don't know if you can read it the
  • 00:41:06
    dog had 800 white blood cells which is
  • 00:41:09
    really high normal is less than five if
  • 00:41:12
    you have a clean tap it would be
  • 00:41:14
    normally zero if it's a normal animal
  • 00:41:17
    and this animal had 800 so we know this
  • 00:41:19
    dog is meningitis from this then the
  • 00:41:22
    next question is well what kind is this
  • 00:41:24
    and on cytology this dog had
  • 00:41:28
    mainly just neutrophils as far as the
  • 00:41:31
    white blood cells went so our two big
  • 00:41:34
    differentials for having neutrophils
  • 00:41:36
    would be either a bacterial meningitis
  • 00:41:38
    which is extremely rare or steroid
  • 00:41:41
    responsive meningitis arteritis this is
  • 00:41:44
    the most common type of meningitis and
  • 00:41:46
    dogs there are certain breeds that's
  • 00:41:48
    seen in more often like boxers and
  • 00:41:50
    beagles Weimaraners it's usually seen in
  • 00:41:55
    dogs under two years of age
  • 00:41:58
    so again rare to see this in an older
  • 00:42:00
    dog about I'd say about half of these
  • 00:42:03
    patients will have a fever so half of
  • 00:42:05
    them don't so that's not always
  • 00:42:07
    something you're gonna see and they may
  • 00:42:09
    or may not have an elevated
  • 00:42:10
    white-blood-cell count but the hallmark
  • 00:42:12
    of this is going to be typically neck
  • 00:42:14
    pain and occasionally they'll have tl
  • 00:42:15
    pain as well they typically don't have
  • 00:42:18
    significant paresis or proprioceptive
  • 00:42:21
    deficits they usually respond well to
  • 00:42:24
    treatment although treatment is a pretty
  • 00:42:27
    long course of steroids so these guys
  • 00:42:30
    usually don't end up needing a secondary
  • 00:42:33
    immunosuppressants if you treat them
  • 00:42:35
    long enough with steroids the majority
  • 00:42:37
    of dogs you can get off of steroids and
  • 00:42:39
    they'll stay in permanent remission you
  • 00:42:41
    don't want to vaccinate these guys while
  • 00:42:43
    they're undergoing treatment there's a
  • 00:42:45
    lot of these dogs are young dogs and
  • 00:42:47
    they may be due for vaccines so that's
  • 00:42:49
    just something to remember you don't
  • 00:42:50
    want to vaccinate that I recommend
  • 00:42:51
    usually getting them completely off meds
  • 00:42:54
    for several months without signs of
  • 00:42:56
    relapse before getting vaccines they can
  • 00:42:59
    get heartworm or flea prevention but
  • 00:43:01
    just no vaccines while they're on this
  • 00:43:03
    treatment
  • 00:43:05
    uh-huh yeah stain that John
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    could her being intact no I don't know
  • 00:43:19
    that it was the vaccine that triggered
  • 00:43:20
    it or if the dog already had this and
  • 00:43:23
    that you know kind of pushed it over the
  • 00:43:25
    edge but I mean I see yeah I mean I've
  • 00:43:28
    seen several of these where it seems
  • 00:43:30
    like in a short period after getting
  • 00:43:31
    vaccinated they they become clinical but
  • 00:43:33
    I've also seen ones where they haven't
  • 00:43:35
    been vaccinated in you know a year we
  • 00:43:37
    can't blame it on vaccines so I say just
  • 00:43:40
    like other autoimmune diseases a lot of
  • 00:43:41
    times we don't know what the trigger is
  • 00:43:43
    and there may be some sort of genetic
  • 00:43:45
    component to it since we do see it and
  • 00:43:47
    certain breeds more than others
  • 00:43:49
    most I mean most animals that we see are
  • 00:43:51
    spayed or neutered that have this so I
  • 00:43:53
    don't think being intact had anything to
  • 00:43:55
    do with it I think this was just a dog
  • 00:43:57
    that I think had been living outside
  • 00:43:59
    somewhere else and these people ended up
  • 00:44:02
    taking this dog and they were trying to
  • 00:44:04
    do the right thing and get this dog
  • 00:44:06
    taken in and they and then she got all
  • 00:44:08
    her vaccines and then shortly after came
  • 00:44:11
    down with this this is a five year old
  • 00:44:13
    male neutered lab that presented for an
  • 00:44:16
    acute onset of paraparesis the owner was
  • 00:44:19
    walking this dog outside on a leash like
  • 00:44:22
    she always does she takes she comes home
  • 00:44:24
    at lunch she takes his dog for a walk
  • 00:44:25
    there's an area where she lets it off
  • 00:44:28
    leash at the end of the walk so he said
  • 00:44:30
    the dog seemed normal it was running off
  • 00:44:32
    leash she heard a Yelp and next thing
  • 00:44:34
    looked over the dog was dragging its
  • 00:44:36
    back legs so it came into us there were
  • 00:44:39
    no other previous problems reported and
  • 00:44:42
    you can see this dog is pretty much
  • 00:44:45
    dragging that back left leg without
  • 00:44:47
    assistance this dog could not get up and
  • 00:44:49
    walk on his own but with us since he had
  • 00:44:52
    good motor and that back right and then
  • 00:44:55
    his four limbs were normal this is his
  • 00:44:57
    full neuro exam so everything from the
  • 00:45:00
    four limbs up was was normal the dog had
  • 00:45:02
    proprioceptive deficits in both rear
  • 00:45:04
    limbs much worse than the left than the
  • 00:45:08
    right this dog was not painful anywhere
  • 00:45:11
    that I could find and one thing that
  • 00:45:14
    we'll talk about is he had a weak
  • 00:45:16
    withdrawal in the left rear limb which
  • 00:45:18
    would tell us that we might want to
  • 00:45:21
    consider more
  • 00:45:22
    Caudle lumbar lesion although based on
  • 00:45:25
    what I suspected what's wrong with this
  • 00:45:26
    dog I still suspected that his lesion
  • 00:45:28
    was T 303
  • 00:45:30
    soin lesion localization can be a little
  • 00:45:33
    bit tricky in these guys so I suspected
  • 00:45:35
    there was t 303 although again the
  • 00:45:37
    decrease with jaw and the one we're a
  • 00:45:39
    limb felt like I couldn't completely
  • 00:45:41
    rule out and now for us to lesion but
  • 00:45:44
    differentials for this dog is was pretty
  • 00:45:47
    much FCE until proven otherwise
  • 00:45:49
    certainly dis disease can do this the
  • 00:45:53
    dog was not painful at all though I have
  • 00:45:54
    seen dogs that just didn't show any pain
  • 00:45:56
    so it was still a rule out and then the
  • 00:45:59
    inflation doesn't typically present this
  • 00:46:01
    acutely but it's always on our list of
  • 00:46:03
    differentials so we recommended an MRI
  • 00:46:06
    to see what this was and the dogs MRI I
  • 00:46:10
    don't know if you can see he's got a
  • 00:46:12
    slight bulging disc here but this was
  • 00:46:14
    not his lesion sometimes it's subtle
  • 00:46:17
    sometimes it's more obvious than this
  • 00:46:19
    but he's got this hyper intensity in his
  • 00:46:21
    spinal cord and then you know if you can
  • 00:46:24
    tell him over here this is the left side
  • 00:46:26
    he's got this hyper intensity within the
  • 00:46:28
    chord which is suspected edema from an
  • 00:46:31
    embolism so we don't see the embolism
  • 00:46:33
    itself on an MRI we see the secondary
  • 00:46:36
    effects had this dog had a CT scan we
  • 00:46:39
    wouldn't have seen anything you would
  • 00:46:41
    have basically been able to rule out a
  • 00:46:43
    compressive lesion but you won't see the
  • 00:46:45
    changes in the cord summarize definitely
  • 00:46:47
    preferred for these and this dogs lesion
  • 00:46:50
    was in fact I think this was up around
  • 00:46:53
    two twelve thirteen when we occasionally
  • 00:46:57
    dogs don't follow the rule and when we
  • 00:46:59
    have a really acute lesion in the t3 l3
  • 00:47:02
    spinal cord they will sometimes have a
  • 00:47:05
    decrease withdrawal in the rear limbs
  • 00:47:07
    and it's thought to be due to spinal
  • 00:47:10
    shock which is that this phenomenon will
  • 00:47:13
    they'll they'll get deficits caudal to
  • 00:47:16
    the lesion for a short period and
  • 00:47:18
    specifically it seems like it's seen
  • 00:47:20
    with FTEs more than any other condition
  • 00:47:23
    so if I see a dog has a little bit of a
  • 00:47:25
    decrease withdrawal in the rear but
  • 00:47:27
    everything else is kind of pointing
  • 00:47:29
    towards upper motor neuron lesion then
  • 00:47:32
    the big thing would just be making sure
  • 00:47:33
    when you
  • 00:47:34
    do something whether that's radiographs
  • 00:47:36
    or we did an MRI that you know we've
  • 00:47:39
    looked high enough up to find the lesion
  • 00:47:40
    so Nessie is not a blood clot it's
  • 00:47:43
    thought to be obstruction of blood flow
  • 00:47:46
    due to fibrocartilage that gets into a
  • 00:47:48
    blood vessel in the spinal cord how
  • 00:47:51
    exactly this happens is not completely
  • 00:47:53
    known and often seems to happen when the
  • 00:47:56
    animal is playing or doing some sort of
  • 00:47:58
    activity but it can happen at rest as
  • 00:48:01
    well the hallmark of these are its acute
  • 00:48:03
    onset and they're not progressive at
  • 00:48:05
    least not past 24 hours and typically
  • 00:48:08
    not past you know an hour to at most so
  • 00:48:12
    if you have an animal that it's been
  • 00:48:14
    progressing over to three days we can we
  • 00:48:18
    can rule this out so these are going to
  • 00:48:20
    be very very acute and onset not
  • 00:48:22
    progressive other than when they happen
  • 00:48:25
    the owner may report pain there's
  • 00:48:27
    usually no pain by the time the patient
  • 00:48:29
    cuts to you they may be they may affect
  • 00:48:33
    any part of the spinal cord so if it
  • 00:48:35
    happens in the cervical spine you may
  • 00:48:38
    see all four legs affected or just one
  • 00:48:39
    side they're usually asymmetric if it's
  • 00:48:42
    a really severe one you could get you
  • 00:48:46
    know when it happens in the throttle
  • 00:48:47
    lumbar cord you could have both your
  • 00:48:48
    legs affected equally it's typically
  • 00:48:51
    seen in big dogs the one small dog that
  • 00:48:54
    is gets us more often than other dogs is
  • 00:48:57
    the miniature schnauzer and as long as
  • 00:48:59
    they have deep pain they usually recover
  • 00:49:01
    but it can take months
  • 00:49:03
    treatment is purely supportive steroids
  • 00:49:05
    do not help these guys they do not give
  • 00:49:07
    them steroids I usually don't put them
  • 00:49:10
    on anything unless the owner is still
  • 00:49:12
    not convinced that their dog is not
  • 00:49:14
    painful I have you know I don't have a
  • 00:49:16
    problem putting them on something like
  • 00:49:17
    gabapentin for pain but most of the time
  • 00:49:21
    the owners are fine with them being on
  • 00:49:24
    nothing physical therapy can help speed
  • 00:49:27
    up their recovery and this is that dog
  • 00:49:29
    two months later so you can see he's not
  • 00:49:31
    completely normal but he's a lot better
  • 00:49:34
    than than he was when he came in well
  • 00:49:36
    I've never seen it reoccurring the same
  • 00:49:38
    dog so the clients yeah I get asked that
  • 00:49:41
    a lot I've never seen one happened again
  • 00:49:43
    in the same dog and then this is our
  • 00:49:46
    schnauzer with
  • 00:49:48
    so the asymmetrical paresis this is the
  • 00:49:52
    next case this was a ten month old
  • 00:49:54
    female spayed Shizu that presented for a
  • 00:49:58
    two month history of intermittent
  • 00:50:00
    weakness the basically the owner came in
  • 00:50:04
    and said my dog seems like it cannot
  • 00:50:07
    walk at times the owner did not think
  • 00:50:09
    this dog was painful at home she had
  • 00:50:12
    been seen by her primary veterinarian
  • 00:50:15
    had had blood work it was normal she had
  • 00:50:18
    been treated with an inside the owner
  • 00:50:19
    did not report seeing any improvement
  • 00:50:22
    his part of her exam her meditation was
  • 00:50:27
    very normal she was a pretty happy
  • 00:50:29
    little dog but she was weak her
  • 00:50:35
    proprioception if you held her up was
  • 00:50:37
    normal although she had a hard time
  • 00:50:39
    standing for any period of time but if
  • 00:50:41
    you stood her up she you tried to turn
  • 00:50:44
    her feet under she knew where her feet
  • 00:50:45
    were and the other big thing about this
  • 00:50:47
    dog was there was no pain anywhere that
  • 00:50:50
    I could find
  • 00:50:52
    she had normal reflexes other than her
  • 00:50:56
    palpebral was a little weak where would
  • 00:50:58
    we localize this dog this dog could have
  • 00:51:01
    been potentially in myopathy although
  • 00:51:04
    they usually aren't that weak so my top
  • 00:51:07
    suspicion was this dog had neuromuscular
  • 00:51:09
    disease specifically myasthenia gravis
  • 00:51:11
    so again my APPA 'they could present
  • 00:51:13
    with similar signs oftentimes if this
  • 00:51:17
    dog is coming to you you know you're
  • 00:51:19
    gonna want to do bloodwork and make sure
  • 00:51:20
    there's not something that a bollock
  • 00:51:21
    going on some electrolyte abnormalities
  • 00:51:23
    but most time by the time they get to me
  • 00:51:25
    they've already had that stuff died so I
  • 00:51:27
    don't have to really think about that
  • 00:51:28
    stuff but when you're the first person
  • 00:51:30
    seeing this dog you certainly would want
  • 00:51:32
    to do routine blood work and make sure
  • 00:51:34
    there's not something systemic going on
  • 00:51:36
    because of our suspicion for my Senor
  • 00:51:38
    gravis we sent out the test for that
  • 00:51:40
    which is this either choline receptor
  • 00:51:43
    antibodies and this dogs titer was
  • 00:51:46
    almost 5 anything above 0.6 is
  • 00:51:50
    considered positive so this out had a
  • 00:51:52
    really high titer it doesn't always
  • 00:51:54
    correlate to the severity of disease but
  • 00:51:56
    it concerns me when I saw how high this
  • 00:51:59
    was
  • 00:52:00
    at that time I did not know the owner
  • 00:52:02
    declined any further Diagnostics so
  • 00:52:05
    myasthenia gravis is basically the
  • 00:52:07
    failure of neurotransmission at the
  • 00:52:11
    neuromuscular Junction due to a lack of
  • 00:52:14
    functional receptors and that can be
  • 00:52:16
    from antibodies on the receptors or it
  • 00:52:19
    can be that there's actually a lack of
  • 00:52:21
    receptors as in a congenital form the
  • 00:52:25
    hallmark of something like this is gonna
  • 00:52:27
    be weakness usually associated with
  • 00:52:29
    exercise these guys can come in looking
  • 00:52:33
    normal initially and then get weaker the
  • 00:52:36
    more that they do depending on if
  • 00:52:38
    certain other things are affected like
  • 00:52:40
    the esophagus they may have a
  • 00:52:41
    complaining to vomiting or regurgitation
  • 00:52:43
    sometimes the voice change these guys
  • 00:52:45
    may have a hoarse bark or weak bark that
  • 00:52:47
    may be something that the owner picks up
  • 00:52:48
    on and then facial weakness you can see
  • 00:52:50
    it's much more common in people with
  • 00:52:53
    myasthenia gravis and often the pelvic
  • 00:52:56
    limbs seem to be more affected than the
  • 00:52:58
    four limbs and the two forms are
  • 00:53:01
    congenital or acquired and with acquired
  • 00:53:03
    there can be different clinical forms we
  • 00:53:06
    can see a focal form that just involves
  • 00:53:08
    the pharynx or the esophagus and these
  • 00:53:11
    animals will not have any obvious
  • 00:53:13
    weakness the generalized form is the
  • 00:53:16
    most common so these are the animals
  • 00:53:17
    that do you have weakness again may seem
  • 00:53:20
    to affect the pelvic glooms more than
  • 00:53:22
    the thoracic meg esophagus is
  • 00:53:24
    unfortunately very common in dogs with
  • 00:53:27
    this cats not as much just because of
  • 00:53:30
    the difference in striated versus smooth
  • 00:53:32
    muscle in their esophagus so majority of
  • 00:53:35
    dogs are gonna have Meg esophagus which
  • 00:53:37
    is the main thing that affects their
  • 00:53:38
    prognosis and then we can see an acute
  • 00:53:41
    fulminating kinds where these animals
  • 00:53:43
    come in with really severe weakness
  • 00:53:45
    these are the ones that may have
  • 00:53:47
    proprioceptive deficits and the
  • 00:53:51
    prognosis for these is is really poor
  • 00:53:53
    I've not had one of these make it out
  • 00:53:54
    the hospital the congenital form is
  • 00:53:57
    extremely rare these animals show
  • 00:53:59
    symptoms from the time they start to
  • 00:54:00
    walk they they just lack the receptors
  • 00:54:03
    so they'll they'll never be normal so
  • 00:54:06
    this is not a dog that was normal and
  • 00:54:08
    then becomes weak these are dogs that
  • 00:54:10
    they're never they've never been normal
  • 00:54:12
    they typically don't have
  • 00:54:13
    meg oesophagus so they acquired is much
  • 00:54:16
    more common and these are due to
  • 00:54:19
    antibodies that are actually formed and
  • 00:54:21
    directed against the acetylcholine
  • 00:54:23
    receptor any breed can be affected
  • 00:54:26
    there's some that are reported a little
  • 00:54:28
    bit more often and it tends to occur in
  • 00:54:31
    young and old dogs so there's kind of
  • 00:54:33
    two main ages that we see the same so
  • 00:54:35
    dogs as young as four months can get
  • 00:54:38
    this the diagnosis is made by sending
  • 00:54:42
    out the test for the receipt Oakland
  • 00:54:45
    receptor antibodies we can do a tensilon
  • 00:54:47
    test like you saw on that dog in the
  • 00:54:49
    earlier video that is not definitive
  • 00:54:51
    there can be false positives and even
  • 00:54:54
    false negatives if they have the more
  • 00:54:55
    acute form they often don't respond to
  • 00:54:58
    tensilon the only definitive test is the
  • 00:55:00
    antibody test unless it's congenital
  • 00:55:04
    then they don't have any bodies and the
  • 00:55:06
    only way to confirm that is with a
  • 00:55:07
    muscle biopsy treatment is mainly
  • 00:55:11
    anti-clone esterase therapy it's what
  • 00:55:14
    that does it just allows the seed of
  • 00:55:15
    choline to hang around in the junction
  • 00:55:17
    longer and find an available receptor
  • 00:55:19
    most dogs do well with just that as
  • 00:55:22
    their treatment if they don't respond to
  • 00:55:25
    that alone then I'll add an
  • 00:55:27
    immunosuppressive drug you just have to
  • 00:55:30
    be careful it's a lot of these guys do
  • 00:55:31
    you have my guess off a guess and
  • 00:55:32
    they're prone to pneumonia and so it
  • 00:55:34
    just makes it a little bit harder to put
  • 00:55:36
    them on something like steroids some of
  • 00:55:40
    these dogs can have a thymoma and if
  • 00:55:42
    they do and dimed ectomy is recommended
  • 00:55:45
    and then the rest of the care is
  • 00:55:47
    supportive these guys often needs if
  • 00:55:50
    they have a mega stop against upright
  • 00:55:51
    feedings this is a bailey chair that a
  • 00:55:54
    client made and donated to the hospital
  • 00:55:57
    it really depends on in my experience
  • 00:55:59
    whether or not they have a Meg esophagus
  • 00:56:01
    if they have a mega Safa guess they
  • 00:56:03
    usually end up either being euthanized
  • 00:56:05
    or dying of pneumonia within a few
  • 00:56:08
    months of diagnosis most of these guys
  • 00:56:10
    because the Meg esophagus is not
  • 00:56:13
    reversible even once you treat them
  • 00:56:15
    that's permanent so if they don't have
  • 00:56:17
    mega softest I have seen them do well do
  • 00:56:21
    really well
  • 00:56:23
    there's even the possibility that they
  • 00:56:24
    can go into a spontaneous remission and
  • 00:56:26
    come off of medication this is that same
  • 00:56:29
    dog I showed you earlier this was her
  • 00:56:33
    first recheck appointment she'd been on
  • 00:56:35
    messed and on and at this point she'd
  • 00:56:40
    had radiographs taken there was no sign
  • 00:56:43
    of a Meg esophagus and the owner
  • 00:56:45
    reported that there were no signs of
  • 00:56:47
    weakness at home that she could run and
  • 00:56:49
    play and they haven't noticed any
  • 00:56:51
    problems so I don't think it's been long
  • 00:56:56
    enough that we've rechecked the titer
  • 00:56:58
    I'll usually recheck a titer and four to
  • 00:57:00
    six months on these guys and see if
  • 00:57:02
    there you know have any change in
  • 00:57:05
    they're tighter and just make sure
  • 00:57:07
    they're not going into remission I would
  • 00:57:09
    check it again a month later and make
  • 00:57:11
    sure it's still normal and then weaning
  • 00:57:13
    off of the medication this is a ten
  • 00:57:15
    month old Yorkie that presented to our
  • 00:57:17
    hospital for weakness
  • 00:57:18
    the owner did report that this dog had
  • 00:57:21
    been dropped a few months prior but they
  • 00:57:24
    said there had been no symptoms that
  • 00:57:25
    they had seen immediately after that
  • 00:57:27
    happened but a few weeks prior to coming
  • 00:57:29
    in here the owner reported the dog
  • 00:57:31
    seemed weak in the back right leg it had
  • 00:57:34
    x-rays of that leg with no abnormal
  • 00:57:37
    findings had been treated with an in
  • 00:57:39
    said and but it didn't seem to help and
  • 00:57:42
    the weakness said and progress to
  • 00:57:44
    involving the forelimbs and the owner
  • 00:57:46
    reported the dog seemed ataxic
  • 00:57:48
    he also at the time of presentation they
  • 00:57:51
    reported a decreased appetite so neuro
  • 00:57:53
    exam showed a normal mentation the dog
  • 00:57:56
    seemed to not want to turn its head to
  • 00:58:00
    the left when he was walking he had a
  • 00:58:03
    generalized eighth axiom would lead to
  • 00:58:04
    the left but would only turned to the
  • 00:58:06
    right
  • 00:58:07
    proprioception was decreased in both
  • 00:58:09
    four limbs and mildly decreased in the
  • 00:58:12
    left rear but normal in the right rear
  • 00:58:13
    the dog had normal reflexes and was
  • 00:58:16
    painful with cranial cervical palpation
  • 00:58:19
    this dog was localized to a c15 lesion
  • 00:58:24
    this is a young Yorkie our top
  • 00:58:28
    differential was an Atlanta axial
  • 00:58:30
    subluxation meningitis mellitus were
  • 00:58:33
    also considerations as well as three
  • 00:58:35
    Elia and a young dog like this the dog
  • 00:58:38
    had a history of trauma so that was
  • 00:58:40
    something that was still considered
  • 00:58:42
    disco this would be an unusual breed to
  • 00:58:47
    see that in but that's possible as well
  • 00:58:49
    and then of course neoplasia unlikely
  • 00:58:52
    and this young a dog but possible so
  • 00:58:55
    based on the differentials the
  • 00:58:58
    recommendation was to perform x-rays
  • 00:59:01
    they were done with the dog awake so we
  • 00:59:04
    usually start with them awake
  • 00:59:05
    if we can't good get good radiographs we
  • 00:59:07
    might have to sedate them but this dog
  • 00:59:09
    had Atlanta axial subluxation so we cc1
  • 00:59:14
    up here and see - they should be in
  • 00:59:17
    alignment your keys are the most common
  • 00:59:20
    breed to get Atlanta access subluxation
  • 00:59:22
    usually they present before the age of
  • 00:59:25
    two although sometimes they don't
  • 00:59:26
    present - they're older I've seen it in
  • 00:59:29
    a five six year old dog that was
  • 00:59:30
    asymptomatic until something minor
  • 00:59:32
    happened and then they became clinical
  • 00:59:35
    like they someone stepped on the dog or
  • 00:59:37
    it fell off the couch but they're they
  • 00:59:40
    usually present under the age of two
  • 00:59:41
    signs can be intermittent they can be
  • 00:59:44
    painful or not they can be a toxic
  • 00:59:50
    treatment is usually surgery unless for
  • 00:59:55
    some reason surgery is not an option
  • 00:59:57
    whether they have concurrent medical
  • 00:59:59
    problems or financially they can't
  • 01:00:00
    afford surgery if that's the case and
  • 01:00:04
    medical treatment consists of putting
  • 01:00:06
    these guys in a neck brace like this one
  • 01:00:09
    so the neck brace in order to completely
  • 01:00:12
    immobilize that c1 - joint has to come
  • 01:00:15
    up over the head and then we usually you
  • 01:00:18
    don't have to bring it back quite that
  • 01:00:19
    far but usually bring it past the front
  • 01:00:22
    legs we make these out of typically
  • 01:00:25
    casting material that will just kind of
  • 01:00:28
    mold to the top of the dog's head and
  • 01:00:30
    back along hits back with the dog's head
  • 01:00:33
    in a neutral position and then wrap it
  • 01:00:36
    with bandage material so you want
  • 01:00:38
    something a little bit rigid in there
  • 01:00:40
    for these guys if they're really really
  • 01:00:42
    tiny you don't have to put anything in
  • 01:00:45
    there you can just make it out of
  • 01:00:46
    bandage material the worry is that
  • 01:00:49
    medical treatment that once you take
  • 01:00:51
    this brace off usually leave it on for
  • 01:00:52
    eight to ten weeks that if there is any
  • 01:00:54
    sort of trauma that they can immediately
  • 01:00:56
    go back to how they were so they can do
  • 01:00:59
    really well in the brace it's just a
  • 01:01:01
    worry about them long-term sometimes
  • 01:01:04
    it's not apparent on x-rays as to what's
  • 01:01:06
    going on and occasionally we do have to
  • 01:01:09
    do MRI of these guys or CT with MRI the
  • 01:01:13
    advantage is that we can see what's
  • 01:01:15
    going on from a soft tissue standpoint
  • 01:01:17
    what's going on with the spinal cord how
  • 01:01:19
    compressed is it is there a lot of edema
  • 01:01:21
    there and then often times these guys
  • 01:01:23
    can have concurrent neurologic problems
  • 01:01:25
    they it can have hydrocephalus they may
  • 01:01:28
    have Siringo Marilia and if they do end
  • 01:01:31
    up undergoing surgery once they've had
  • 01:01:32
    surgery they can't have an MRI any at
  • 01:01:34
    any point in their life once they have
  • 01:01:36
    those metal implants there so I don't
  • 01:01:38
    recommend that they all get it it just
  • 01:01:41
    depends on if there's anything else on
  • 01:01:42
    their neuro exam or history that would
  • 01:01:45
    make us suspicious there's a concurrent
  • 01:01:47
    problem that little guy he did have
  • 01:01:49
    surgery there's multiple ways that these
  • 01:01:52
    can be fixed surgically just kind of
  • 01:01:54
    depends on what you're comfortable with
  • 01:01:57
    how little these guys are what kind of
  • 01:01:59
    implants we can get in there so this guy
  • 01:02:01
    had surgery and this was him the next
  • 01:02:03
    day he's still a little a toxic it's a
  • 01:02:07
    little hard to tell cause he's so Wiggly
  • 01:02:08
    he was happy so this this dog it did
  • 01:02:11
    think it was a few weeks from when we
  • 01:02:13
    diagnosed him to when we could do the
  • 01:02:15
    surgery so we did put him in a neck
  • 01:02:17
    brace and then in the meantime the
  • 01:02:19
    owners I think said he was just so happy
  • 01:02:21
    to be out of his neck brace and then
  • 01:02:25
    this was him at his two-week recheck he
  • 01:02:28
    was doing really well so we're not out
  • 01:02:31
    of the woods with this one yet these
  • 01:02:34
    guys need about eight to ten weeks of
  • 01:02:35
    really strict rest I don't put them back
  • 01:02:37
    in the neck brace after surgery
  • 01:02:39
    some people will but as long as they are
  • 01:02:41
    really careful they don't let this dog
  • 01:02:43
    run around jump on her off any furniture
  • 01:02:44
    they usually do fine without it there is
  • 01:02:48
    a company in Canada that's making these
  • 01:02:50
    more permanent neck braces that if the
  • 01:02:53
    dogs aren't candidates for surgery and
  • 01:02:55
    they need a more long-term solution you
  • 01:02:58
    make a mold of them with casting
  • 01:03:00
    material and send
  • 01:03:01
    it you end up cutting it off and sending
  • 01:03:03
    it to them and then they make these neck
  • 01:03:05
    braces that can be taken on and off so
  • 01:03:08
    they can wear this long term I haven't
  • 01:03:10
    done one yet but we had a dog come in
  • 01:03:13
    that had had one of these made at UT and
  • 01:03:15
    it actually seemed to work pretty well
  • 01:03:18
    the next case is a nine year old male
  • 01:03:21
    neutered Basenji max this dog presented
  • 01:03:24
    for a left rear limb lameness of three
  • 01:03:28
    to four months duration the dog had been
  • 01:03:30
    seen by multiple people he'd been in
  • 01:03:32
    even on our ER service had rads of the
  • 01:03:36
    limb had been treated with Brett rest
  • 01:03:38
    insides there was just no improvement
  • 01:03:41
    and so eventually he made his way to me
  • 01:03:44
    there was no explanation for this
  • 01:03:47
    lameness most of the time with a
  • 01:03:50
    lameness really gonna look for something
  • 01:03:52
    worth Pedic first but then when
  • 01:03:53
    sometimes when nothing can be found then
  • 01:03:55
    we start wearing is this actually a
  • 01:03:56
    neurologic problem so this guy presented
  • 01:03:59
    he was not a toxic but he had a left or
  • 01:04:01
    a limb lameness and most the time he
  • 01:04:03
    would just hold that leg up and walk on
  • 01:04:04
    the other three and he did have a
  • 01:04:07
    perceptive deficit in that leg when I
  • 01:04:10
    did his testing as well as a week
  • 01:04:13
    withdrawal so based on the week
  • 01:04:15
    withdrawal the decreased perception in
  • 01:04:18
    that leg I suspected a left-sided l4s -
  • 01:04:23
    lesion specifically a lesion of the left
  • 01:04:25
    side attic nerve one thing to point out
  • 01:04:27
    is this guy had an increased patella
  • 01:04:30
    reflex in the left rear which you would
  • 01:04:33
    normally think of as seeing with the
  • 01:04:37
    upper motor neuron lesion but
  • 01:04:40
    occasionally if you have a sciatic nerve
  • 01:04:43
    deficit then the patellar on that same
  • 01:04:45
    side will be increased because you don't
  • 01:04:47
    have the antagonism so you'll get a
  • 01:04:49
    pseudo it's called a pseudo
  • 01:04:50
    hyperreflexia in this patient when I see
  • 01:04:54
    these guys I hate to get tunnel vision
  • 01:04:56
    but to see something like this my top
  • 01:05:00
    differential is going to be a nerve
  • 01:05:01
    sheet tumor we certainly can see
  • 01:05:04
    lateralized IV DD but to be that
  • 01:05:06
    lateralized
  • 01:05:08
    really unusual so unfortunately before
  • 01:05:13
    even doing any Diagnostics on these I
  • 01:05:15
    tell these people that were pretty much
  • 01:05:18
    doing Diagnostics to confirm a tumor and
  • 01:05:21
    we hope that we're wrong and find
  • 01:05:23
    something else but most of the time
  • 01:05:25
    these are gonna be tumors and MRI is
  • 01:05:28
    definitely the modality of choice for
  • 01:05:31
    looking for these they can be hard to
  • 01:05:33
    find this one was actually a little bit
  • 01:05:35
    difficult to find mean this this is the
  • 01:05:38
    tumor kind of tracking back so this is
  • 01:05:40
    the the pelvis the sacrum this is l7
  • 01:05:43
    this is the lumbosacral space this is a
  • 01:05:48
    parasagittal image so we're just off the
  • 01:05:52
    left side of the spine and back here is
  • 01:05:57
    the pelvis and these are the nerve roots
  • 01:05:59
    the thickened nerve roots coming off
  • 01:06:00
    between l67 and l7 s1 back here and then
  • 01:06:04
    this is the tumor up here this is a
  • 01:06:06
    transverse or axial image this is
  • 01:06:09
    actually colon under here so this is the
  • 01:06:11
    top of the dog's back so this one we
  • 01:06:15
    could find it but some of them are are
  • 01:06:18
    small and they are hard hard to find
  • 01:06:21
    these are typically seen in mature dogs
  • 01:06:24
    usually large breeds they can involve
  • 01:06:26
    the forelimb or the rear limb they are
  • 01:06:30
    sometimes painful but I see a lot of
  • 01:06:32
    these dogs that don't have obvious signs
  • 01:06:33
    of pain and they oftentimes don't have
  • 01:06:37
    proprioceptive deficits until later in
  • 01:06:39
    the course of disease so it can be
  • 01:06:40
    really tough to figure out that these
  • 01:06:42
    are neurologic versus orthopedic
  • 01:06:45
    unfortunately for these guys the
  • 01:06:48
    prognosis is pretty poor so even with
  • 01:06:51
    surgery the time to reoccurrence is
  • 01:06:55
    pretty quick usually much less than a
  • 01:06:57
    year these are coming back with when
  • 01:07:00
    they're involving a nerve of the four
  • 01:07:02
    limb amputation with excision of nerve
  • 01:07:05
    roots is usually the treatment if it's
  • 01:07:07
    involving a rear limb it often involves
  • 01:07:09
    a Hemi pelvic to me as well as
  • 01:07:10
    amputation a treatment that's not I'd
  • 01:07:16
    say been used as often is radiation and
  • 01:07:19
    there's actually been some reports that
  • 01:07:20
    the
  • 01:07:21
    guys can do better with radiation and
  • 01:07:23
    surgery and have closer to a year before
  • 01:07:26
    recurrence they don't usually have
  • 01:07:28
    return a function of the limb so if they
  • 01:07:31
    get radiation that's a big thing to
  • 01:07:33
    explain the people is you know that
  • 01:07:35
    doesn't usually lead to a ton of
  • 01:07:36
    improvement it just slows down the
  • 01:07:38
    disease and chemotherapy is rarely done
  • 01:07:41
    it's not thought to really help these
  • 01:07:43
    guys this is two more examples of ones
  • 01:07:47
    that were a little bit more obvious this
  • 01:07:49
    is a dog's head is up here we're looking
  • 01:07:53
    down on the dog's the dorsal image this
  • 01:07:56
    is after contrast and these two nerve
  • 01:07:58
    roots coming off between see I think
  • 01:08:00
    this was see one two and two three we're
  • 01:08:03
    really thickened and then kind of joined
  • 01:08:05
    together and then this is one exact in
  • 01:08:07
    the pelvic limb again this is the spinal
  • 01:08:09
    cord coming down the pelvis you can see
  • 01:08:12
    a little bit of and this is after
  • 01:08:13
    contrast this right here and here are
  • 01:08:15
    the really big nerves coming off of the
  • 01:08:18
    spinal cord all right this is a I
  • 01:08:21
    realize when I put this talk together I
  • 01:08:23
    didn't mean for it to have a lot of
  • 01:08:24
    boxers in here but somehow it did this
  • 01:08:29
    is a six month old female boxer who
  • 01:08:31
    presented to me for a two-month history
  • 01:08:33
    of pain decreased appetite a stiff gait
  • 01:08:36
    and arched back the dog had been seen a
  • 01:08:40
    few times by its veterinarian it had had
  • 01:08:44
    radiographs taken when the sign started
  • 01:08:47
    and then again about a month prior to
  • 01:08:49
    seeing me the radiographs were normal
  • 01:08:51
    both times the dog was treated with it
  • 01:08:53
    and said not much improvement was seen
  • 01:08:56
    the dog presented the dog's general
  • 01:08:59
    physical exam including its TPR was
  • 01:09:01
    normal a neurologic exam this dog did
  • 01:09:07
    not appear ataxic but was stiff in the
  • 01:09:09
    rear and just had a normal stance or a
  • 01:09:12
    narrow stance and he was painful with
  • 01:09:14
    palpation of the mid lumbar spine this
  • 01:09:17
    dog localized to t3 l3 remember this dog
  • 01:09:20
    is six months old so differentials were
  • 01:09:24
    Disko spondylitis neoplasia and
  • 01:09:28
    meningitis were were the big ones there
  • 01:09:31
    history of trauma and this dog but it
  • 01:09:32
    did live and a lot of acreage and the
  • 01:09:36
    owner had some horses and I think cattle
  • 01:09:40
    as well so it was something still we we
  • 01:09:43
    considered although nothing was seen on
  • 01:09:45
    previous rats but because this dog was
  • 01:09:48
    so young I wasn't suspicious of
  • 01:09:50
    something like a disc herniation
  • 01:09:53
    I recommended repeating rads one more
  • 01:09:56
    time just to make sure there wasn't a
  • 01:09:58
    lesion that we could see that just
  • 01:10:00
    wasn't apparent on previous x-rays so we
  • 01:10:03
    radiograph this dog and between l34 you
  • 01:10:08
    can see the end plates are very
  • 01:10:10
    irregular there's a close-up of it so
  • 01:10:13
    this dog had Disko spondylitis when I
  • 01:10:15
    said this dog had been radiographed
  • 01:10:17
    twice before I saw the radiographs they
  • 01:10:19
    were normal and one of the sets of
  • 01:10:22
    radiographs have been taken a month and
  • 01:10:23
    so there's to this dog being clinical so
  • 01:10:27
    that's the the big take-home message for
  • 01:10:30
    me with disco is the radiographic signs
  • 01:10:32
    can really lag behind clinical signs by
  • 01:10:35
    up to eight weeks so if you're really
  • 01:10:37
    suspicious of something like this
  • 01:10:38
    sometimes just keep repeating
  • 01:10:40
    radiographs to see if it shows up these
  • 01:10:44
    are usually large breed dogs and they're
  • 01:10:48
    painful these are some of the most
  • 01:10:50
    painful dogs that I ever see so that's a
  • 01:10:53
    big hallmark is there going to be
  • 01:10:54
    painful sometimes they have pretty
  • 01:10:57
    significant muscle atrophy locally where
  • 01:11:02
    the lesion is and depending on how
  • 01:11:04
    severe the lesion is they can have some
  • 01:11:06
    purpose of deficits and they
  • 01:11:08
    occasionally present completely down
  • 01:11:10
    it's usually due to a bacterial
  • 01:11:13
    infection staph and strep are the most
  • 01:11:15
    common we occasionally see this due to
  • 01:11:18
    fungal organisms I'm always suspicious
  • 01:11:21
    if I see this in a German Shepherd that
  • 01:11:23
    its fungal they tend to be predisposed
  • 01:11:26
    to fungal / bacterial most of that we
  • 01:11:29
    don't know where this infection comes
  • 01:11:31
    from we certainly can see it with direct
  • 01:11:33
    contamination like bite wounds or even
  • 01:11:36
    post surgery that's pretty rare most the
  • 01:11:39
    time we don't know where it came from
  • 01:11:42
    once you do have a diagnosis
  • 01:11:44
    which is usually made on radiographs
  • 01:11:45
    then treatment is usually a pretty long
  • 01:11:50
    course of antibiotics I usually
  • 01:11:52
    recommend cultures of urine and blood
  • 01:11:54
    but with urine there positive about a
  • 01:11:57
    quarter of the time Bloods a little bit
  • 01:11:59
    higher percentage so you a lot of times
  • 01:12:00
    don't have a culture to go on so you
  • 01:12:02
    want to treat with a fairly broad
  • 01:12:05
    spectrum antibiotic or one that gets the
  • 01:12:06
    most common agents if I have a client
  • 01:12:10
    that's really money conscious I've
  • 01:12:13
    treated lots of these dogs of cephalexin
  • 01:12:15
    and that'll get about 80% of them so
  • 01:12:18
    there is still a percentage that it's
  • 01:12:19
    not going to treat but it'll treat a lot
  • 01:12:21
    of them and these guys are I mean
  • 01:12:23
    they're on antibiotics per month so I
  • 01:12:25
    mean Clapham ox 8 rolls gonna be really
  • 01:12:28
    expensive
  • 01:12:29
    I've treated a lot of these guys with
  • 01:12:31
    simple stuff and they've done really
  • 01:12:33
    well and that's usually less expensive
  • 01:12:34
    and in Clapham ox occasionally if
  • 01:12:37
    they're not responding to treatment
  • 01:12:38
    we've gone in and got a Coulter from the
  • 01:12:40
    disk space but that's that's rarely
  • 01:12:42
    needed that's if they're not responding
  • 01:12:45
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    if it's a German Shepherd always yep yep
  • 01:12:52
    the America stuff yep if it's another
  • 01:12:53
    breed I usually don't unless they're
  • 01:12:55
    just not responding I think most of them
  • 01:12:57
    I treat with cephalexin
  • 01:12:59
    or simple self and then usually I'll
  • 01:13:02
    recommend repeating rads every six to
  • 01:13:04
    eight weeks to monitor these guys and
  • 01:13:06
    you oftentimes they're gonna expect them
  • 01:13:08
    to look worse radiographically even
  • 01:13:10
    though clinically they're doing better
  • 01:13:11
    so this what this was two months later
  • 01:13:14
    and then by three and a half months
  • 01:13:17
    later you can see it's fusing here and
  • 01:13:19
    then five months later you see continued
  • 01:13:24
    fusion but this point this looks pretty
  • 01:13:28
    quiet this doesn't look like an active
  • 01:13:30
    lesion we don't have continued lysis I'm
  • 01:13:33
    usually pretty cautious with these guys
  • 01:13:34
    and will continue to treat them
  • 01:13:37
    sometimes longer but there's even a
  • 01:13:39
    change from five months to seven months
  • 01:13:41
    so we're still seeing changes on x-rays
  • 01:13:44
    I'll continue to treat them until I see
  • 01:13:47
    two sets of x-rays that that look the
  • 01:13:49
    same our next case we're almost done
  • 01:13:52
    this is a 10 year old boxer
  • 01:13:55
    nerd who presented for a few months
  • 01:13:58
    history of seizures this dog had been
  • 01:14:01
    started on sanest might believe after he
  • 01:14:03
    had maybe two seizures and the owner
  • 01:14:05
    reported that the dog was otherwise
  • 01:14:07
    normal they didn't notice any changes in
  • 01:14:09
    its behavior at home and the only reason
  • 01:14:13
    they actually brought the dog in was it
  • 01:14:15
    had had two pretty violent seizures are
  • 01:14:18
    a little worse than previous ones and
  • 01:14:20
    the postictal phase was was lasting
  • 01:14:22
    quite a while so they ended up bringing
  • 01:14:23
    this dog in neurologically this dog
  • 01:14:26
    looked pretty normal he had an
  • 01:14:28
    inconsistent proprioceptive sit and both
  • 01:14:30
    three legs but mentation was normal as
  • 01:14:33
    gait was normal but we know this dog has
  • 01:14:36
    a forebrain lesion he's got seizures
  • 01:14:39
    differentials for this dog he's ten
  • 01:14:42
    years old and he's a boxer are pretty
  • 01:14:45
    much gonna breed tumor until proven
  • 01:14:46
    otherwise it's always you know possible
  • 01:14:49
    we could be dealing with some sort of
  • 01:14:51
    infection or inflammatory disease
  • 01:14:52
    possibly a stroke that then predisposed
  • 01:14:56
    to stuck to having future seizures or in
  • 01:14:59
    an older dog if you don't find anything
  • 01:15:01
    we have this term cryptogenic epilepsy
  • 01:15:03
    meaning you know it's not it doesn't fit
  • 01:15:05
    with idiopathic but we don't have a
  • 01:15:06
    reason for these seizures we recommended
  • 01:15:09
    an MRI and this guy had this tumor here
  • 01:15:14
    so this is a probable glioma so it's in
  • 01:15:18
    the brain brachycephalic SAR more prone
  • 01:15:20
    to these than any other breed when it
  • 01:15:22
    comes to brain tumors and dogs they have
  • 01:15:24
    quite a high incidence compared to to us
  • 01:15:27
    and cats so unfortunately we we see a
  • 01:15:30
    lot of brain tumors and dogs the
  • 01:15:33
    symptoms really depend on the part of
  • 01:15:34
    the brain that's affected if it's in the
  • 01:15:36
    forebrain and seizures are the most
  • 01:15:38
    common sign if it's in the brainstem
  • 01:15:40
    which is we don't see brain tumors there
  • 01:15:42
    nearly as commonly as in the forebrain
  • 01:15:44
    but if we do then you're gonna see
  • 01:15:46
    usually this tubular type signs glioma
  • 01:15:48
    specifically again tend to affect
  • 01:15:51
    brachycephalic breeds more than other
  • 01:15:52
    and these tend to occur at a younger age
  • 01:15:54
    so that boxer was ten but I'll say I see
  • 01:15:58
    these more often in five six year old
  • 01:16:00
    dogs so if I have a five year old boxer
  • 01:16:04
    with seizures I'm still gonna be really
  • 01:16:06
    worried about this
  • 01:16:07
    treatment is either palliative which
  • 01:16:09
    would be steroids and anticonvulsants
  • 01:16:11
    surgery is an option for these guys
  • 01:16:13
    sometimes but because these tumors are
  • 01:16:16
    in the brain surgery is definitely not
  • 01:16:17
    going to cure these guys or or often get
  • 01:16:20
    all the tumor it's more debulking
  • 01:16:23
    radiation is an option for these there's
  • 01:16:26
    traditional fractionated radiation which
  • 01:16:29
    is done over three four weeks or
  • 01:16:31
    stereotactic radiation which is one two
  • 01:16:34
    three treatments that's done in a row
  • 01:16:38
    and the prognosis with radiation is
  • 01:16:42
    average survival is around a year a
  • 01:16:44
    little bit less and then chemotherapy
  • 01:16:46
    can also be used for these guys but
  • 01:16:48
    these these tend to be a little bit more
  • 01:16:50
    aggressive tumors and the overall
  • 01:16:51
    prognosis is still pretty poor even in
  • 01:16:54
    people I believe the survival times are
  • 01:16:57
    really dismal for for these tumors there
  • 01:17:00
    is actually a clinical trial that just
  • 01:17:03
    started at Mississippi State and that's
  • 01:17:05
    actually where these people took this
  • 01:17:07
    dog and they're doing a clinical trial
  • 01:17:10
    that involves surgery so they're going
  • 01:17:12
    in and debulking these tumors and then
  • 01:17:15
    they are injecting into the tumor site
  • 01:17:18
    and uncle it ik by hrus against days so
  • 01:17:21
    they're working with UAB medical school
  • 01:17:23
    and I believe the same trial is going on
  • 01:17:27
    in people so they're comparing because
  • 01:17:29
    these tumors are very similar to what
  • 01:17:31
    what people get so this is this dog I
  • 01:17:34
    believe a few days post-op he was still
  • 01:17:36
    at Mississippi State he's at home now
  • 01:17:39
    the owners report he's doing really well
  • 01:17:40
    but I mean the trial just started last
  • 01:17:43
    month so we don't have any out really
  • 01:17:45
    you know long term outcomes yet to know
  • 01:17:46
    this is gonna make a difference for
  • 01:17:48
    these guys all right this will be our
  • 01:17:50
    last one this is 11 year old female
  • 01:17:53
    spayed Shepherd mix who had presented to
  • 01:17:56
    me for abnormal behavior of several
  • 01:17:58
    months which the owner described as the
  • 01:18:00
    dog walking in circles although she said
  • 01:18:02
    it didn't seem to be to one side or the
  • 01:18:04
    other she was pacing walking into
  • 01:18:07
    corners didn't really seem to respond to
  • 01:18:09
    her name anymore had a decreased
  • 01:18:11
    appetite the owner had been hand feeding
  • 01:18:14
    this dog and giving her water by syringe
  • 01:18:16
    for a month when she came in
  • 01:18:18
    you would not drink at all this dog had
  • 01:18:20
    actually been diagnosed with Cushing's
  • 01:18:22
    two years prior to this and have been
  • 01:18:24
    treated with trial a stain and then
  • 01:18:26
    became an out of Sounion and so when I
  • 01:18:28
    saw her she'd actually been off of trial
  • 01:18:31
    a stain for a year she also had a
  • 01:18:33
    history of pretty severely elevated
  • 01:18:35
    liver enzymes which was actually thought
  • 01:18:37
    to be potentially unrelated to her
  • 01:18:40
    Cushing's so she'd been seen for that
  • 01:18:42
    several times a neurologic exam showed
  • 01:18:45
    very demented dog this dog just pasted
  • 01:18:49
    in the exam room she sometimes would
  • 01:18:51
    just had pressed she did not seem to
  • 01:18:53
    respond to anything around her she was
  • 01:18:58
    not a toxic and had actually normal
  • 01:19:00
    proprioception but based on this dog
  • 01:19:03
    signs of the pacing the demented Minh
  • 01:19:06
    taken a forebrain lesion was suspected
  • 01:19:09
    my big differentials for this dog were a
  • 01:19:11
    tumor or cognitive dysfunction I've seen
  • 01:19:14
    some of these guys with cognitive
  • 01:19:15
    dysfunction that have looked really bad
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    and this had been going on for a month
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    so that was actually still a pretty big
  • 01:19:21
    differential for this dog and then
  • 01:19:23
    something like kepada concep allopathy
  • 01:19:26
    based on her history was also a
  • 01:19:28
    consideration so when we recommended an
  • 01:19:30
    MRI and this dog had a pituitary macro
  • 01:19:34
    adenoma this tumor was almost half the
  • 01:19:37
    height of this dog's brain and this dog
  • 01:19:41
    had never had a seizure this dog had no
  • 01:19:43
    proprioceptive deficits you can see it
  • 01:19:46
    this is a lateral or sagittal view how
  • 01:19:48
    big this is and here's a normal
  • 01:19:51
    pituitary for comparison so one of the
  • 01:19:56
    big things I would say with these ones
  • 01:19:58
    with pituitary tumors they don't follow
  • 01:20:00
    the rules of other brain tumors and that
  • 01:20:02
    they rarely have seizures they they
  • 01:20:05
    don't have to present as demented as
  • 01:20:07
    this dog did but they just come in for
  • 01:20:10
    kind of subtle or nonspecific signs they
  • 01:20:13
    don't want to eat they just seem a
  • 01:20:14
    little off to the owner most of the
  • 01:20:17
    tumors are functional but they can be
  • 01:20:19
    non functional so they don't always have
  • 01:20:20
    Cushing's when they have these they're
  • 01:20:23
    considered a macro adenoma if they're
  • 01:20:25
    greater than a centimeter on imaging so
  • 01:20:28
    again the symptoms can be sometimes
  • 01:20:30
    pretty nonspecific
  • 01:20:32
    lethargy inner Exia are big ones that we
  • 01:20:35
    don't see a lot of blindness with these
  • 01:20:37
    just because the where these are located
  • 01:20:39
    compared to in people they're actually
  • 01:20:41
    not very close to the optic nerves or
  • 01:20:43
    optic chiasm versus and people with
  • 01:20:46
    pituitary tumors one of the more common
  • 01:20:47
    symptoms is blindness because it presses
  • 01:20:49
    on the optic chiasm
  • 01:20:50
    but in dogs we don't see that although
  • 01:20:52
    people will report they feel like their
  • 01:20:54
    dog can't see well but then on exam they
  • 01:20:56
    often still have a normal menace I think
  • 01:20:58
    it's more of a cognitive issue not so
  • 01:21:00
    much truly a visual problem and then
  • 01:21:03
    they can't have seizures but it's not
  • 01:21:05
    actually common these guys are the one
  • 01:21:08
    brain tumor that can actually do really
  • 01:21:10
    well with radiation the most brain
  • 01:21:12
    tumors with radiation survival times
  • 01:21:14
    about a year with these it's survival
  • 01:21:18
    times are between 750 and 1400 days so
  • 01:21:21
    they can do quite well and they can have
  • 01:21:23
    a really big improvement in their
  • 01:21:24
    symptoms with radiation surgery can be
  • 01:21:27
    done although I believe when they get to
  • 01:21:30
    be as big as this dog surgery's not an
  • 01:21:31
    option but the only place I currently
  • 01:21:33
    know of that actually does this surgery
  • 01:21:35
    is Washington State this is this dog a
  • 01:21:39
    month after radiation the owner decided
  • 01:21:42
    to go to radiation she actually did
  • 01:21:43
    stereotactic radiation up in Ohio where
  • 01:21:47
    she had three treatment so it's three
  • 01:21:49
    days in a row she she has a lameness she
  • 01:21:52
    had a chronic lameness I don't remember
  • 01:21:54
    the etiology of that but this dog still
  • 01:21:57
    looked a little demented to me but this
  • 01:22:00
    dog actually was following me around and
  • 01:22:02
    responding to her name and the first
  • 01:22:04
    time this dog came in she didn't know
  • 01:22:06
    where she was like I said she she didn't
  • 01:22:09
    respond to her name she had pressed in
  • 01:22:10
    the corner the whole time
  • 01:22:11
    so the Staub's not normal but and these
  • 01:22:14
    will often improve for several months
  • 01:22:17
    after radiation it takes time to see the
  • 01:22:19
    full response but this owner was
  • 01:22:22
    ecstatic she's like I had my dog back
  • 01:22:23
    she responds to me she plays with me she
  • 01:22:26
    was eating she was no longer being hand
  • 01:22:28
    pad they usually have no side effects
  • 01:22:30
    from the radiation they usually do
  • 01:22:32
    really well stereotactic radiation is
  • 01:22:35
    $9,000 so
  • 01:22:37
    that's the that's the downside to it so
  • 01:22:40
    the majority of these dogs still remain
  • 01:22:42
    if they are cushingoid they still remain
  • 01:22:43
    cushingoid potentially this dog would
  • 01:22:45
    maybe need to go back on treatment at
  • 01:22:49
    some point if she becomes clinical I
  • 01:22:51
    think it's only a small percentage where
  • 01:22:53
    it has enough effect on the pituitary
  • 01:22:55
    that they don't need to be treated for
  • 01:22:57
    their Cushing's but yeah I don't know of
  • 01:22:58
    any reports of them having other like
  • 01:23:01
    endocrine issues because of it alright
  • 01:23:04
    we'll stop there any question
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