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okay flip I know you don't like to
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actually edit anything but if you could
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I I did a quote tweet that was maybe a
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little brutal
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I'm gonna go with an L take on this one
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you gotta get that then we'll continue
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from here okay maybe the quote tweet was
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a little brutal I'll give it for you I
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really don't like this take at all uh
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because I mean this take can literally
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this you could have made this exact same
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take with react when react came out
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right you could have made this take at
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any point with any software ever that's
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new right so why would anyone switch to
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react when there is jQuery why would
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anyone switch to jQuery when we already
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have you know JavaScript integrating
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with uh with the Dom why would you ever
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need to do that and second off svelte
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first off it's corporate backed whenever
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something's corporate backed it just
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means that there's a lot more stuff to
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it right it means that there's a lot of
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people that are like that are putting in
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serious money there's multiple employees
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releasing like a ton of changes they're
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absolutely murdering it to say that
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react is the only industry standard is
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just out of this world right like the
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Centric view that people have where it's
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just like there's only one world that
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exists and that world is react there is
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no other world there will never be any
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other world no I don't believe that and
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yeah I feel bad for flutter
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I mean it sucks you know flutter flutter
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is kind of sucky but here's the deal I
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want you to take something right here
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from this post which I do feel bad let's
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read it and then we're going to take
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something uh from this I have worked
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professionally in flutter for three
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years now the company I worked for
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recently laid me off because the
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difficult securing the next round of
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investment and I'm in the market for a
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job and and the major the majority of my
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recent experience is in flutter in my
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country Canada I am finding basically
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zero opportunities One hiring hiring
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manager said it's hard to find a flutter
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uh flutter developers I'm observing it
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is nearly impossible to find flutter
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positions so it's almost like no one at
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all is using flutter I'm a bit uh let's
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see I have a feeling that by the end of
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2024 flutter might be completely an
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afterthought Okay so
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I want to throw this out here
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and I'm going to mean this in the most
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sincere and genuine way
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don't be a react Dev don't be a flutter
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Dev don't be a one-trick Andy I mean
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this in the most sincere way learn
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things understand how a UI Works build
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with multiple different perspectives so
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such that when react inevitably dies as
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the Roman Empire died as everything
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eventually dies
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you can just move on you can adapt you
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can go and do something so easy because
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you're like oh yeah yeah I'm vaguely I
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you know I've done a lot of UI work
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right you know how to say things yeah
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I've built users experience I know how
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these all these things work and yeah I'm
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pretty good with react I've used a lot
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of react but I've been using flutter
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professionally but I really understand
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these things it's just so wild this idea
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that you are just simply you are a
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representation of the framework you use
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if you like using svelt because you find
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it much better then use just use felt
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right like why what why why why does it
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matter here's the thing though it was
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felt inevitably dies like everything
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eventually will including the the heat
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death of our universe right it doesn't
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really matter no it doesn't matter
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because at the end of the day you can
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still deliver a great message about how
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you understand how the world Works how
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servers work you can be able to answer
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any technical questions and then guess
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what if they're like okay but what about
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this in react you could say hey I'm not
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as familiar with react but I think it's
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something like use ref right is use ref
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does this work and they're like yeah
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this works that way okay this is how I
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do right you have enough experience to
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be able to talk about it okay I'm not I
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don't even like react and look at me I
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know about use ref okay I know about use
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memo okay I don't want to know about
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them I don't like them but guess what I
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still learn about it a little bit right
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and so I can answer any of these dumb
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questions just in case I need to answer
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them I'm not going to be great at it but
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I know a lot about it right because the
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bigger thing is that I studied the
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underlying things please don't be a
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frameworker this should not exist this
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entire tweet should not exist it's not
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people's livelihood it's not a stupid
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game guess what it's what you're
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interested in and it's what makes you
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employable becoming a generalist
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foundation and a specific master in one
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area will do nothing but help you become
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a generalist first before you become a
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master and the problem is is that
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everybody right now is just like reacts
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the standard we use react and so the
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only thing you are is a react Dev
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because that's all you know your
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foundation is react your Mastery is
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react you don't know anything but react
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from the tippity top to the Bippity
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bottom and what happens when that
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happens
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you're very unemployable okay it makes
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it super hard to hire you because I
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don't want to hire a react Andy in fact
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one of the largest problems I have when
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I was looking for some people to help me
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uh with some of the tools we're building
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at Netflix I could it was so hard to
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find anyone that said they knew
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JavaScript and did years of JavaScript
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that didn't just simply that they
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weren't react andies I was like okay
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tell me about this in JavaScript well
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actually uh so in reacting I'm like no
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no tell me about this in JavaScript how
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does this work uh well I I just use
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you know the thing is is that you use
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Redux and I'm like no just
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build an async queue can you do that for
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me like can you use JavaScript just
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JavaScript it's like 15 lines write me
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15 lines right now and the the like very
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few people could sorry I feel very
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strongly about this because like this
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tweet is the antithesis or what I think
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is killing or making engineering so hard
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it's what I truly think is making this
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this the two level uh engineering which
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is Engineers who went and learned the
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foundation built the generalist and is
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starting to specialize versus the
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engineers who just specialize and have
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no foundation and so like there's like
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these two class of people
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react Andy or generalist Andy I would
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rather be a generalist Andy
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how to sort an array in jQuery how to do
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math in jQuery well there's actually the
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ad plug-in did you know that uh what's
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async you know what async is uh okay
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well I know you said something I did
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actually want to read this we're going
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to pull it up come on oh camel my camel
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I appreciate most of your messages most
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of them Prime gen one thought here when
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I was a full-time back-end guy and hated
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front end but learned reacts felt and
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leptos and other front-end framers
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because it gives me a perspective I even
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contributed a bunch to flutter slash
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leptos OSS project yep uh it has both
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for some reason look at that I once
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failed an interview because I said I
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know JS and they asked me to implement
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async cues and I was stuck no wait wait
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did you interview did I interview you
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wait hold on did I interview you are you
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saying that I interviewed you
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there's a chance here I'm just saying
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there's a chance
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hate Watcher oh my goodness what do they
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call hate Watchers
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what I just heard the term this morning
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there's like so what's what's the term
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for hate Watchers I know one of you I
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know one of y'all been watching uh
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aunties yeah let's go I didn't realize I
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got some aunties in the chat no yeah
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let's go I got myself an auntie uh
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appreciate that uh I deal bait watching
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okay go away baitan uh anyways really
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genuinely appreciate this I I by the way
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I want to make a clear don't dunk on
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Adam okay
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dunk on a concept that's fine you can
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say hey I think you're totally wrong I
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think that's cool I think he will think
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that's totally cool what you can't do is
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be like Adam you're an idiot if you do
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that you're not helping the conversation
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you don't change anyone's mind in fact
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the only thing you do when you talk like
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that on the Internet is uh I did not
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call him an idiot I said this is a
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terrible take this is an L take L take
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is commenting on the take not the person
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I'll take I'll take is totally about the
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take the take is bad I do not like it I
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will never support that take but the
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real talk is that you don't want people
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stuck thinking because then people go
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with the with the what's it called they
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go with the idea of defending the person
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as opposed to the idea there's no way of
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saying I'll take well what else is it I
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I thought it was about to take TJ wait
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time out are you telling me L take is
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about dunking on a person and not the
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take because it really needs to get
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fixed up then okay I didn't say l person
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it's a it's a it's an L take because the
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take is bad the name
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