What is the main topic of discussion in this interview?

The main topic is the use of AI in architecture by Ozan Erog and his firm Synthetic Architecture.

What is Synthetic Architecture?

Synthetic Architecture is a firm co-founded by Ozan Erog and Pinar, focusing on integrating AI with traditional architecture to revolutionize design.

How does Ozan Erog view AI in the architectural process?

Ozan views AI as a tool to enhance architectural practices, making processes easier and more efficient.

What are some of the projects mentioned that use AI in architecture?

Projects include a conceptual mobile garden for Melbourne Design Week and a residence in Dubai, both incorporating AI in their designs.

What technological tools are mentioned as part of the architectural workflow?

Tools include Rhino, Revit, Autodesk Forma, Ryon, Finch 3D, and various AI systems like Midjourney and Stable Diffusion.

What is Ozan Erog's approach to combining modern and historical elements in architecture?

Ozan believes in blending vernacular wisdom with modern technological innovations, respecting historical contexts while embracing new technologies.

"Blending Expertise with AI-Enhanced Eco-Build and Crafts" with Pinar Ongun and Ozan Ertu

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Summary

TLDRIn this episode of the Fusion Architecture Channel, host Daniel Escobar interviews Ozan Erog, co-founder of Synthetic Architecture, about the role of AI in modern architecture. Erog discusses how AI enhances architectural processes by merging it with traditional practices, enabling a new form of design that is both innovative and historically conscious. With over 20 years of experience in architecture and ecology, Synthetic Architecture explores AI through projects like a mobile garden in Melbourne and a residence in Dubai. Erog emphasizes the importance of context and vernacular wisdom while utilizing modern technologies, advocating for AI to assist rather than replace human creativity in architecture. Throughout their practice, Ozan and his partner Pinar work collaboratively, critiquing AI-generated designs to produce practical yet forward-thinking architectural solutions. They experiment with tools like Rhino, Revit, and AI systems, aiming to leave mundane tasks to technology and focus on creative, philosophical aspects of design.

Takeaways

🤖 AI is transforming architecture by complementing traditional practices.
🌱 Synthetic Architecture integrates ecology with AI and design.
🏛️ Blending historical context with modern architecture is crucial.
🎨 AI acts as a tool to enhance creativity, not replace it.
🛠️ Tools like Rhino and Revit are commonly used in architectural AI workflows.
🌍 Contextual and vernacular design enrich architectural projects.
📐 Synthetic Architecture is involved in innovative projects worldwide.
✏️ Sketching remains integral in the design process despite technological advancements.
🏆 Collaborative critique enhances the quality of architectural designs.
🔄 AI generates synthetic data to create realistic and constructible designs.

Timeline

00:00:00 - 00:05:00
Host Daniel Escobar introduces guest Ozan Erog to discuss AI in architecture and its potential to blend with traditional building methods.
00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Ozan explains the foundation of Synthetic Architecture, highlighting the synthesis of AI with traditional architecture and ecology.
00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Ozan and Punar's work is presented, focusing on their unique AI-driven architectural style distinguished by realism and aesthetic appeal.
00:15:00 - 00:20:00
The conversation shifts to Synthetic Architecture's purpose and historical considerations, aiming to blend modern concepts with ecological and historical contexts.
00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Synthetic Architecture's projects are discussed, including ecological buildings in Turkey and international competitions, revealing their integration of AI and ecology.
00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Ozan highlights exhibitions and literature that influenced his understanding of AI in architecture, emphasizing a blend of historical and modern techniques.
00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Discussion on AI's role in the design process, with Ozan projecting future AI integration percentages in various architectural tasks.
00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Illustrating synthetic data production in architecture, Ozan discusses how AI aids in creating more comprehensive design simulations.
00:40:00 - 00:45:00
Ozan showcases a real-world project involving AI, describing the transition from AI-generated concepts to physical implementation in Melbourne.
00:45:00 - 00:50:00
A project in Dubai is discussed, exemplifying client interaction and the transformation of conceptual AI design to real-world architecture.
00:50:00 - 00:55:00
Ozan reflects on his architectural journey, sharing experiences and how AI has influenced his current approach to integrating traditional and modern design.
00:55:00 - 01:04:05
Ozan shares insights into the future of architecture, emphasizing AI's role in evolving design philosophies and the importance of cultural context in architecture.

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Video Q&A

Who is the host of the Fusion Architecture Channel?
The host is Daniel Escobar.
Who is the guest on this episode?
The guest is Ozan Erog.
What is the main topic of discussion in this interview?
The main topic is the use of AI in architecture by Ozan Erog and his firm Synthetic Architecture.
What is Synthetic Architecture?
Synthetic Architecture is a firm co-founded by Ozan Erog and Pinar, focusing on integrating AI with traditional architecture to revolutionize design.
How does Ozan Erog view AI in the architectural process?
Ozan views AI as a tool to enhance architectural practices, making processes easier and more efficient.
What are some of the projects mentioned that use AI in architecture?
Projects include a conceptual mobile garden for Melbourne Design Week and a residence in Dubai, both incorporating AI in their designs.
What technological tools are mentioned as part of the architectural workflow?
Tools include Rhino, Revit, Autodesk Forma, Ryon, Finch 3D, and various AI systems like Midjourney and Stable Diffusion.
What is Ozan Erog's approach to combining modern and historical elements in architecture?
Ozan believes in blending vernacular wisdom with modern technological innovations, respecting historical contexts while embracing new technologies.

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uh hi everybody Welcome uh to the fusion
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architecture channel uh I'm your host
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Daniel Escobar uh and today we have a
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great guest uh ozan erog and he's gonna
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be talking to us about uh how he's using
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AI in architecture so blending expertise
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with AI and
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ecobuild and crafts and uh oan orto he
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co-founded synthetic architecture with P
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unun in 2023 uh synthetic architectures
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redefining the future of design with
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over 20 years a combined experience in
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architecture education and ecology
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they're Fus in AI technology with
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traditional practices to revolutionize
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how we designed uh build and communicate
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architecture um also like another thing
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that I want to point out is that I've
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been following the worked for quite a
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bit uh since I started the page uh
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diffusion architecture uh and I've been
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really impressed because they're one of
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the few uh AI uh users uh or people that
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are experimenting with AI architecture
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that have developed their own unique
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style in a way that seems almost
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constructible like you can look at the
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image and sometimes you have to look
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twice to see if it's real or not uh and
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it's a very high aesthetic high quality
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uh curated set of images that also
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display like really unique form forms
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and Concepts that I I think could really
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be constructed or should be constructed
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eventually um so ozan uh thank you for
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joining us uh the floor is yours and
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welcome thank you Daniel it's so nice to
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be here and then uh like let me then
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start with the
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presentation so uh is the presentation
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is you can
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see yeah your screen is on so you see
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screen okay like um me and punar you
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know we we have a background in
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architecture we always you know try to
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find new uh Technologies and new stuff
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to uh make more out of architecture and
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then architecture uh process let's say
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because it's usually architecture has
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too many things to take care of uh in
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the in the architecture business and
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then most of them is mostly not related
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to the real philosophy and the
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conceptual uh you know backbone of the
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architecture and you need to do stuff
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that you have to do and then our most I
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think uh things uh focus on making these
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more maybe uh easier uh less pay so we
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synthetic architecture is very uh Young
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we started maybe the usefulness of AI in
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architecture has emerged and then we
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started with the name synthetic
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architecture and I think synthetic and
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for parar uh synthetic is the the very
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uh you know good definition for what we
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do even before AI synthetic is the thing
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that you are doing see the data that we
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are creating with architectural tools a
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synthetic data actually so you produce
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synthetic data to in order to realize a
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building so synthetic architecture is
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kind of a name that suits uh what we're
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trying to do and then like our main
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issues are about maybe some his
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historical context because uh the Earth
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has its history and the Earth has its
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context so we want to you know make make
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it peace with that because most of the
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modern architecture and the Contemporary
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thinkers are I think has an issue with
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history that trying to maybe uh getting
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something so much away from history but
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we think that it lays the foundation is
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lays in the history and we want to check
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check out the history and then ER think
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about the present realities and then
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based the Forward Thinking over these
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top two
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foundations so I'm like a 2006 graduate
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but I was more involved in in the
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University also with working in
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architectures so it's like a 20 years or
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something uh experience for me with lots
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of buildings uh you know constructed and
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um I don't know maybe more than 100
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conceptual projects with companies and
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then my own company
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also uh parar has also uh too much like
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has some experience she has also uh an
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advantage in uh Timber construction and
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Timber you know handicrafts she has a
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tendency on that so she has this
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advantage on top of
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me uh as we said like synthetic
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architecture but with the kind of we
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wanted to use Instagram for showing out
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what we do and then getting the feedback
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and then talking to people about uh how
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uh we can use and how we can apply AI in
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architecture is it's mostly you know
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Architects just deal with uh their own
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surroundings when talking to
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architecture and their clients only but
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we want to you know make this available
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to uh people around and people uh
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universally in uh all over all over the
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world and we try to you know if you uh
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you know see our work we try to use
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different techniques different veroc uh
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techniques different materials and then
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combine them in different situations not
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just too much like we don't want too
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much you know technology uh Hightech uh
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you know
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seem like buildings but maybe a little
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bit uh things that goes good with the
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context goes good with the surroundings
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and then we try to make research on
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that but we have as as I said lots of
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thing going on with the Build
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architecture we have some ecological
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buildings happened in in turkey and
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abroad and then we have uh some
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competitions things that we have uh you
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know have some awards around so this is
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a like uh mostly it was an architectural
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process we had before and then we now
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added AI a enhanced Echo Building last
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two years so we have other also research
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going on
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for she has a global time timeline
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shelter uh that she's uh advancing right
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now I'm working on 3D Concrete
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Construction and then we have some uh
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you know works on uh emergency uh you
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know usage of some uh fast constructed
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systems for the the earthquake happen in
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turkey and Syria as you remember so we
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we wanted to have uh some say about
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things happening around not just you
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know uh most glorified uh you know
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agenda of of a moneymaking you know
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business so we have this too too much
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going on with one and a half year or two
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years now and we have the too many talks
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and uh you know appearances around and
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diffusion architecture is the the last
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one like now and we we really appreciate
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uh their call uh to make this call
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so uh for for looking back uh in the
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architecture we we have our research we
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have our own research about what happen
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uh in the 20th century so that AI has
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come to that point that we can use it in
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architectural production but AI was used
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before but not that you know uh in an
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apparent way so we have this uh you know
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timeline that's showing how Hardware uh
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how software and how events and
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architecture actually uh layered on in
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the time and what made the other you
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know advancements possible as you can
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see maybe uh I don't know from my uh
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screen at the end of
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1919s the most of the uh software we are
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using right now 3D Studio Max like
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Autodesk programs Kya Rhino and Maya and
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Revit was introduced at that point and
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also it's a question that why are we
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using the same uh softwares uh from the
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1990s till here like 30 years it's a
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question but I think it started to
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change so I'm moving to the Millennium
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and then at the end of the Millennium as
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you know for two years we have too much
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things going on and then at the end of
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2020s uh I think the start of uh
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the one exhibition is important uh that
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I I was also introduced in most of the
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stuff about AI in architecture is it's
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Stanis chalu he's also the co-founder of
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Ryon and he made this exhibition in
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pavilon Del Arsenal and it's called
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called artificial intelligence and AR in
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architecture uh exhibition and then he
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has this website also about this and
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then also he had a book about it so I
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think it was a very good uh you know
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start uh for me that I introduced it was
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a good reading and good exhibition to
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understand AI in architecture and what's
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going on and if anyone want to you know
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go make an introdu about that I will
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uh I think that's that's a good point to
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start so this is a you know chart we
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made about uh how things will move on uh
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with AI uh aided architecture and then I
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think a little bit it started to feel
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like that you may you may see this
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percentages around and you when you
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think about design process you may see
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some some uh you know uh person just
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started to seem around there but I think
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it will be in the future there will be
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the the idea will be um if it's a
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preference like for me it's 20% of idea
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used with AI most of the idea is coming
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from me but I use 20% to enhance my
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ideas with with
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AI uh and I put this into the building
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latent space bu you can say building
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latent space is uh like if an an AI has
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a large language model that having
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everything defined for this AI uh you
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know system then uh you can say building
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latent space is the uh large model of
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the building because from that building
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latent space you build the uh the
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building but buildings are usually a
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frozen piece of the process like you
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have a too many options you have too
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many ideas going on around and then at
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the end you just build one building in
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the real world uh but this is something
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that's only today uh we are doing it
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like that maybe in the future you may uh
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have the option to you know transform
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the building by itself H but right now
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we are we are freezing the building in
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in this latent space so we add the idea
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and the building model in that latent
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space I think building model will get uh
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40 to 80% AI aided and then I think Bim
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modeling should be uh I'm saying 70 90%
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AI here in the chart but it should be
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taken care of AI like Bim model
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is vast you know collection of data and
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then
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a human cannot you know control that
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much of the data so AI systems will be
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more capable of doing that and then
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realization and building care also will
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have some uh AI percentage Ai and
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Robotics let's
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say and then this is what we are using
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right now maybe starting from the idea
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be at chat GPT and you know other mid
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journey and uh Deli and stability AI
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usage as you see there's that pencil
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thing there I always use sketching in
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the middle of everything like it's in
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the center mostly and then uh rhinos
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serus is my uh you know modeling you
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know station for most of the stuff and
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right now I think we are seeing usage of
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uh Autodesk Forma it was before uh space
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uh I don't remember the name exactly but
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Autodesk bought this AI uh you know
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simulation program and it's now autod
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Forma and it's very fast in uh you know
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wind analysis and energy analysis uh
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stuff like that and we use Forma a lot
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for for this environmental uh
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simulations and then we use Ryon as a
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light uh Bin solution is a web based
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solution and then we are trying to use
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Finch 3D for the uh you know AI planning
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Solutions but I I couldn't find uh too
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much comfort in that yet I think it's
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getting in the uh in the
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way uh and also so everything is
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connected in the Bim model uh and then
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from the Bim model you go on uh with the
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construction and
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realization so this is what I was
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talking about Architects always uh
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producing synthetic data but right now I
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added this Ai and B uh program section
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for that so Architects program and use
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AI to generate synthetic data and then
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Architects add their own synthetic data
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from their own manual programs and then
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Architects curate this synthetic
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data and add it up to the real data so
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the data you have like uh you know the
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geographic data and other Sun data and
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stuff is enhanced with the synthetic
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data and you're ready to realize a
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building this works like that what we
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are doing is basically creating
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synthetic data and simulations to
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realize a
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building this is a you know
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you know the model of leor he's showing
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he shows his own uh human you know uh
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ergonomist about the in the model and we
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we just wanted to make a version of uh a
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model that not just uh concentrate on
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human but uh all life forms and also
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maybe all life forms includes not just
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Organics but also inorganics like a a
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river the Earth itself a rock and and
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something that a soil is also I think
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the piece of the design so this is this
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is a uh you know this graphic is made
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with AI and uh I put this here to uh
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show you that if I have a story to uh
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you know tell you if I have something to
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tell
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you in in something like presentation or
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talk this is a so good way to you know
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put my uh ideas and then my feelings
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into some graphics and this graphic is
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not an exactic but it shows uh what we
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are seeking for the model of the all
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life
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forms uh let's talk about some our
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latest uh you know ai2 realization works
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because we have a chance to right now
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starting to uh use the AI based you know
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ideas into realization this is uh the
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mobile Garden we uh proposed for the
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Melbourne design week and then from the
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inspiration we did uh create an AI
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storytelling based you know system as
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story and then uh Melbourne design week
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accepted our proposal and then we
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started to implement it to to the real
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world the the picture in the middle is
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not a real picture but it's enhanced
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with AI so it seems so real we didn't
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use any vray or chaos or any any other
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you know uh rendering engines for that
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it's a it's a good thing for me because
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I always hate you know making too much
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uh you know effort for that so this came
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out and then we have prototyped it in in
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turkey and then we put it in a in the
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lugage because it's a demountable thing
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we put it in a luggage we bought another
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tree cycle in Melbourne and then we put
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it uh there together and then we showed
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it in in Melbourne streets and it was a
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s success uh and we love the process
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starting with AI to realization
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and this is a you know prototype drawing
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of the mobile
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garden and this is something that I
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didn't show anywhere I asked yesterday
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to my client about can I share it with
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with the world about what we are doing
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uh we are building a um you
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know residence in Dubai and then our
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customer exactly came here came to us
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from our Instagram page and he was like
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you know I have a villa and then do you
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want to yeah can you uh build it and we
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said yeah like yes because we're not uh
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we are also having expertise in
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architecture not just uh you know AI uh
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storytellers so we started with he he
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liked the picture on the left and then
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we adapted it into the uh image in the
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mdle
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and then right now we have this Bim
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model that we are preparing to adapt it
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to to the real
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world this is not like the left
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converted in the right but uh I'm just
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saying that we started with the basic
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Rhino model and then Rhino uh you know
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show things and then go to the right but
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the thing on the left is uh also very uh
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you know acceptable for me as an
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architect
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uh this has no difference uh is in the
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quality the quality of a rendering
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mostly goes on with the normal people
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that they are not Architects so they
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just want to see the real thing so these
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things in the left and the right they
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are equal for me but they are different
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for uh the
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client so this is happened uh yesterday
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my Escape just stopped working because I
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didn't want to show too much uh you know
00:21:32
render stuff in the early stage but uh
00:21:37
because my Escape stopped working I uh
00:21:40
created the the image on the right uh
00:21:44
with the help of the left and also it
00:21:46
was a challenge I said like I have too
00:21:49
little time and then can I do it uh this
00:21:52
time with a very real picture going into
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the render and then uh it came out not
00:21:59
so good it it won't work like that
00:22:01
usually but this is a very uh you know
00:22:04
good uh solution here and then I wanted
00:22:07
to show it to you it's a digital
00:22:09
modeling to AI enhanced render and it
00:22:12
worked and the client really uh like the
00:22:16
outcome so this is what we are using for
00:22:20
the conceptual process uh we use mostly
00:22:23
rayon uh Light Beam solution but when we
00:22:27
go to the design development we use RIT
00:22:29
for the uh more capable you know
00:22:34
modeling and then sketching is always
00:22:36
there I'm not a you know um let's say
00:22:41
computer junkie like I always stop using
00:22:45
computer in at some point I draw some
00:22:48
stuff and then clear my head and also I
00:22:50
draw some stuff to solve uh things that
00:22:54
I cannot uh solve using uh the computer
00:22:58
and then back to you know digital
00:23:00
modeling after that and sketching is
00:23:02
always uh the best way to you know clear
00:23:06
your mind and make uh Solutions
00:23:10
faster so at the end of my uh like
00:23:14
presentation I can say like we are
00:23:18
visioning um a vernacular wisdom uh
00:23:22
combined with a technological innovation
00:23:25
uh there's this thing happened yesterday
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like
00:23:29
the the place we are building with the
00:23:32
with my client in Dubai they have this
00:23:34
design brief and then they they are
00:23:36
saying in
00:23:38
2017 ER you should build a modern uh
00:23:43
modern building but the modern building
00:23:45
has this standards like uh gray and
00:23:49
brown aluminum and then uh white Plaster
00:23:54
and then concrete and stuff and I said
00:23:57
let's just just go to them and say like
00:24:00
this is
00:24:01
2024 and then I think things go very
00:24:05
good in s years and then right now we
00:24:08
have
00:24:09
contemporary uh
00:24:11
vernacular is more important than the uh
00:24:15
processed aluminum or other uh you know
00:24:19
materials so I think we are at that
00:24:23
point and I'm so proud of that for for
00:24:26
the world and for the Contemporary AR
00:24:28
that we have this vernacular wisdom and
00:24:31
we are seeking to uh go through that
00:24:35
vernacular wisdom uh with our uh
00:24:39
synthetic architecture you
00:24:42
know also the the practice and also the
00:24:45
Instagram page as a you know site side
00:24:48
think thank
00:24:53
you okay awesome uh oang that was great
00:24:57
um really interesting and I'm I'm
00:24:59
actually pretty happy that you show a
00:25:01
project that hasn't been shown before
00:25:03
it's really interesting to see that
00:25:05
you're actually uh getting to build uh
00:25:08
these projects that like you look at
00:25:10
your Instagram account and some of them
00:25:12
are really like you can almost tell like
00:25:14
you wonder if they're already built um
00:25:17
so this was awesome great presentation I
00:25:20
really enjoyed it a lot I I think also
00:25:22
the way that you structure some of the
00:25:23
diagrams and how you're representing
00:25:25
your understanding of what is currently
00:25:27
happening um really makes it clear um
00:25:30
how you as an architect that's been
00:25:32
practicing for some time now and have
00:25:34
the experience of architecture can take
00:25:36
advantage of these new technologies to
00:25:38
to push forward um let's say your
00:25:40
practice of architecture and and what is
00:25:42
possible um so so I'm really happy to
00:25:45
see that um so now let's let's go a
00:25:47
little bit back in time and maybe let's
00:25:49
talk a little bit about your background
00:25:51
um you know like how do you start you
00:25:53
start eating in uh Turkey right but were
00:25:55
you interested always in like Tech stuff
00:25:58
I I know your uh bi you talk a little
00:26:00
bit about the tech stuff were you always
00:26:02
interested in Tech stuff or did that
00:26:04
emerge as you went through like
00:26:05
architecture
00:26:07
school uh I think uh like this this is a
00:26:11
very you know funny story that I was
00:26:14
working uh in the
00:26:16
photography uh you know shop of my uncle
00:26:20
and then at that time I have this uh
00:26:23
computer in my house and then but like I
00:26:26
wasn't using it for mostly designing or
00:26:30
doing anything it was just gaming you
00:26:33
know but I
00:26:36
think playing the Str strategy games and
00:26:40
then you know my main language is not
00:26:42
English so playing on uh games and stuff
00:26:46
and then trying to uh solve out problems
00:26:48
that you don't understand going making
00:26:51
research and then solving the problems
00:26:53
and trying to achieve stuff uh is made
00:26:58
made a really good break in me and then
00:27:02
my uncle said like why are you using
00:27:05
this PC like it's you're wasting your
00:27:08
time and I was like No it's it's a good
00:27:11
thing and it it will be the future and
00:27:13
then after five years he started using
00:27:15
the PC himself like uh in the beginning
00:27:19
it was all manual in his photography you
00:27:22
know shop and then he turned into uh
00:27:25
pces himself because
00:27:28
ER PC is something like uh the aid of a
00:27:33
human it's like a machine counterpart of
00:27:35
a human human uh trying to make stuff
00:27:39
and then he just invents to make stuff
00:27:43
faster for the machines for itself so I
00:27:45
was always intg with the the machine uh
00:27:49
the machine itself but I'm not so much
00:27:52
you know very capable of coding or uh
00:27:57
you know other under the hoood uh stuff
00:28:00
but I always you know I was always a
00:28:03
power user I guess to make uh things
00:28:07
getting things together and then using
00:28:09
them for uh doing stuff so it started
00:28:12
with that I think the games and stuff
00:28:15
and then in the games you know there's
00:28:17
an achievement stuff you need to finish
00:28:19
things and then you get a badge and
00:28:22
stuff and I think in architecture I
00:28:24
always work like that like I have to
00:28:26
finish this this this and then send it
00:28:29
to the client so so he can pay
00:28:32
me yeah yeah no it's pretty interesting
00:28:35
because I think like some of the the
00:28:37
architectes or people that I talked to
00:28:38
in the past that um also starts
00:28:41
experimenting with technology certainly
00:28:43
they they come also with like some sort
00:28:44
of background of like kind of like tag
00:28:47
things or messing around tinkering with
00:28:49
things um so so it's kind of cool to see
00:28:51
that um and then to follow up on that so
00:28:54
when you started like uh I guess
00:28:56
practicing architecture after school
00:28:58
um was there like a specific project
00:29:01
type that you worked on or you like
00:29:02
working on uh you do you're talking
00:29:05
about fusing like vernacular uh wisdom
00:29:07
so like did you always have that in your
00:29:09
mind or was that something that evolved
00:29:12
uh over
00:29:13
time uh like uh I started before
00:29:19
graduating uh working uh with with the
00:29:22
project because uh I think it was 2000
00:29:26
in the beginning of Millennium and then
00:29:28
one of the master students have this
00:29:31
thesis uh and it was so neat that time
00:29:34
and then he introduced us that uh
00:29:37
computer AED design in that time so I
00:29:40
was in the group that uh using the
00:29:43
computer and then there are other six
00:29:45
person that not using the computer so I
00:29:48
was using the computer for Designing and
00:29:50
then I learned 3D Studio Max there and
00:29:54
it was like a so intense you know
00:29:56
learning from a master student and then
00:29:59
so I started working with 3D Studio Max
00:30:02
because there were no much uh not much
00:30:05
people like not much Architects that
00:30:07
know 3D Studio Max that uh that good in
00:30:11
in my country so I get too much stuff uh
00:30:15
started working with that and then but
00:30:19
in one point I saw that I'm becoming uh
00:30:22
you know 3D modeler it was paying too
00:30:25
good uh but I also
00:30:28
um you know graduated from a design uh
00:30:32
School in in Turkey so I told myself
00:30:35
like I need to go somewhere with paying
00:30:38
less maybe but somewhere that practicing
00:30:42
architecture so I think I went from one
00:30:45
of my friends uh you know working in a
00:30:49
big company Gad architecture in Isle and
00:30:52
it's like one of the right now this year
00:30:55
I think they are in the uh one 100 firms
00:30:58
in Aro list they are a big company and
00:31:02
I'm still working part with them and
00:31:05
part in my company so I started with
00:31:07
there and then there are like uh too
00:31:11
many big uh you know projects I just go
00:31:14
in diving and then after five years uh I
00:31:18
was uh you know in too many you know
00:31:21
projects working on that but after eight
00:31:24
years I think I was in a limit and then
00:31:28
then uh I leave the company to just to
00:31:31
see around then what can I do what
00:31:34
what's I'm capable of so I introduced to
00:31:38
uh ecological practices with one of my
00:31:41
friends and then we go build some
00:31:43
ecologic uh you know quality buildings
00:31:47
and stuff in the south of turkey and
00:31:50
then east of turkey some several
00:31:53
buildings and then the vernacular I
00:31:56
think the vericle wisdom uh implemented
00:32:00
in in my mind at that point like you can
00:32:04
use the vernacular wisdom and some
00:32:07
technology and then you can have uh a
00:32:10
better building with less uh you know
00:32:14
constructed parts and then with cultural
00:32:18
you know integrity and then that people
00:32:22
can like right now I don't know mostly
00:32:25
the ecological wisdom and and then the
00:32:29
climate wisdom comes with the boredom
00:32:32
and then I see uh fun and design in
00:32:37
vernacular like local vernacular but
00:32:41
right now in Europe uh the climate and
00:32:44
then ecological practices usually going
00:32:46
so boring so I wanted to keep on the not
00:32:51
so much technological e ecology and then
00:32:55
uh you know Carbon foodpro read and
00:32:58
stuff and the percentages and the
00:32:59
numbers that's okay like we need to take
00:33:02
care of that but uh if the building
00:33:05
comes out as uh you know boring boxes
00:33:09
and then goes on like that I don't think
00:33:12
it's uh much ecological it's not not
00:33:16
there for me so I think I'm trying to
00:33:19
you know uh trying to catch on that how
00:33:22
to do
00:33:23
that yeah that's that's really
00:33:25
interesting because it it it ties I
00:33:27
guess like you're design when you when
00:33:28
you're designing something um to a
00:33:31
locality or a region that you kind of
00:33:33
have to do be familiar with and then do
00:33:35
research and maybe like I think one of
00:33:38
the things that you mentioned is like in
00:33:40
your presentation was the idea of like
00:33:42
this house right like the the brief was
00:33:44
like a modern brief and it has like
00:33:46
these qualities right but it's like what
00:33:49
else can you do besides that and that
00:33:51
get that can be a house in you know one
00:33:53
part of the world or in another part of
00:33:54
the world and it would probably look the
00:33:56
same versus taking some
00:33:58
that is unique from that local context
00:34:00
and seeing how you can combine it and
00:34:03
develop something um that would be
00:34:05
unique there um so I think I think
00:34:08
that's really interesting and and maybe
00:34:10
talk a little bit about that because I I
00:34:12
think the idea of being able to use kind
00:34:14
of like this traditional uh vernacular
00:34:17
or materiality from local context uh
00:34:20
when you use it within AI do you find
00:34:22
those
00:34:23
representations um similar to to those
00:34:26
locals or or is it something that you
00:34:29
can uh mix and match and then see kind
00:34:32
of novel ideas uh emerge from
00:34:35
that ER I think AI you know the um the
00:34:41
logic of AI is somehow you need to make
00:34:47
a literature base uh to use AI in a
00:34:51
better way I'm not saying like you need
00:34:53
to have a literature based like need to
00:34:58
finish a graduate program but uh you
00:35:01
need to understand how you define um a
00:35:05
space like you need to maybe read some
00:35:08
liuin uh read some you know other
00:35:12
science fiction or normal uh you know uh
00:35:16
authors telling about you about the our
00:35:20
constructed or natural landscapes and
00:35:23
stuff so for me uh I think I always like
00:35:28
you know science fiction I'm also trying
00:35:30
to you know as an aspiring you know
00:35:33
architect and then doing stuff I also
00:35:35
have this uh thing like I'm trying to
00:35:38
write my own science fiction novels and
00:35:41
stuff but it's so hard like for an
00:35:43
architect you don't have anything to do
00:35:45
in your life so but uh I have to read
00:35:49
and I always like reading and then
00:35:52
watching uh like always doing so much uh
00:35:56
you know literature reading and stuff so
00:35:59
I think this makes my um it's not a
00:36:03
monologue like it's a dialogue with the
00:36:05
AI it's not a monologue like if you make
00:36:07
it a monologue U it just gives you
00:36:11
something that biased mostly like
00:36:15
because if you say vernacular adop hot
00:36:20
this this just gave you something most
00:36:22
of the times 90% like a biased uh you
00:36:26
know underdeveloped
00:36:28
uh image of a building and then it's
00:36:31
always old building and stuff like that
00:36:34
but you need to mix and match things and
00:36:38
stuff uh to understand and it's
00:36:40
something like um research is in its own
00:36:44
uh own phase I think from the beginning
00:36:47
of I started using it from the beginning
00:36:50
of mid Journey version for for the mid
00:36:52
journey and then for other things and
00:36:56
then I do it like every day it's like a
00:37:00
you need something like a sports uh you
00:37:04
need do it every day you need to find uh
00:37:07
stuff you need to check uh like I give
00:37:12
you know there's a description thing in
00:37:14
mid Journey but I don't give the
00:37:16
structure of a building to give me the
00:37:19
structure of this you know building and
00:37:21
then I can reproduce it I give some
00:37:24
materials mostly like a translucent
00:37:27
material I give it a transl material and
00:37:30
then I try to understand what the
00:37:32
computer sees in
00:37:34
that sometimes it's weird it's like uh
00:37:38
it says something so out of ordinary but
00:37:42
I just put it inside my prompt to
00:37:45
enhance the visibility and then the
00:37:47
storytelling of the idea because at the
00:37:50
end this AI images is the backbone of
00:37:54
the storytelling and the story is me and
00:37:57
then story is coming from me and then
00:37:59
I'm illustrating a story there with the
00:38:03
help of AI you can do it with hand
00:38:05
sketching you can do it with a vay user
00:38:09
modeler can do it you can do it with you
00:38:12
know iPad and stuff this is a new way of
00:38:16
Storytelling and then it has its own
00:38:18
stuff and then it has its own ethical
00:38:21
problems as like you know
00:38:25
architectur I know that most
00:38:28
you know Studios still the old Studios
00:38:30
still using the Pinterest and then the
00:38:33
magazines and then say like this this
00:38:36
this this this and then we do something
00:38:38
like that it if you find an ethical Gap
00:38:43
uh you can find it in every part of
00:38:46
design every part of creation every part
00:38:48
of everything and AI is not out of this
00:38:52
question but AI is not more evil than uh
00:38:56
all the other
00:38:58
you know processes so I think I'm just
00:39:01
mixing mixing and matching mostly
00:39:04
materials mostly like like sometimes uh
00:39:09
like I want to you know say something
00:39:12
and for for the Masters uh you know who
00:39:16
was the prit scare Prize winners he's uh
00:39:20
like I recent
00:39:23
recent uh like the the was in a Japanese
00:39:27
uh no not the before the um okay okay
00:39:31
like he his style is let's not say names
00:39:35
okay his style is mostly like conform
00:39:38
making things less complicated less
00:39:41
organic and less stuff and uh I find
00:39:45
myself to uh sometimes make uh organic
00:39:50
matter and organic stuff that goes too
00:39:53
many uh crazy organic stuff and I use
00:39:57
his name
00:40:01
toer because it's the best way like also
00:40:05
there's like Peter zoor but when I use
00:40:09
Peter Zoom Tor it's like flatten
00:40:11
everything like just makes a everything
00:40:14
square and stuff but uh that Master I
00:40:18
don't give the name because I don't
00:40:20
remember that master's name is making
00:40:24
everything less crazy and then I'm
00:40:27
admitting it like I'm using his name to
00:40:29
make things less
00:40:31
crazy yeah yeah that that's so funny
00:40:33
that you said that it is kind of like I
00:40:35
never but it is kind of like using like
00:40:36
a Pinterest in like some other more
00:40:38
advanced way right or being able to like
00:40:41
strike from Pinterest directly like the
00:40:43
essence of like some images in text yeah
00:40:47
most of my masters like I've learned and
00:40:50
they just put uh magazines in front of
00:40:52
us and then say like let's put it like
00:40:55
that and then it it all works like that
00:40:57
in the past and then it will work like
00:41:00
that in the future if ethical law uh
00:41:04
perspective yeah yeah and uh so so let's
00:41:07
go a little bit into you have realized
00:41:10
some Concepts um and uh how how does you
00:41:14
how do you guys work together uh with
00:41:16
you and your partner P um how do you
00:41:19
guys work let's say as an architect
00:41:21
practice to develop these Concepts or is
00:41:24
it you're mostly testing ideas let's say
00:41:28
sketching and then using the AI um
00:41:31
writing a prompt like experien with that
00:41:34
or do you guys come up with like a
00:41:36
concept and then figure okay like let's
00:41:38
try a few iterations and then if we like
00:41:41
something we can curate or I guess like
00:41:44
I'm trying to understand or get a better
00:41:47
idea of like how is like the practice of
00:41:49
AR from that perspective evolving with
00:41:52
these
00:41:53
tools yeah like for um for a single
00:41:56
person it's uh mostly boring uh because
00:42:01
you are producing too much AI stuff and
00:42:04
then at one point I think I started you
00:42:07
know because I'm All Tech oriented so I
00:42:11
started using AI before parar and then
00:42:13
she was like uh saying me like I'm
00:42:16
showing I was showing her the AI
00:42:19
reproductions and she was like um I
00:42:22
don't know and then she was like not not
00:42:25
approving it before
00:42:27
but and then she
00:42:29
said there is a I think she she wanted
00:42:33
to try it because she said there's a
00:42:36
better way maybe I can uh you know apply
00:42:40
with the AI in architecture and I said
00:42:43
like be my guest because I'm all lost uh
00:42:48
because I'm like like producing
00:42:50
thousands of images daily and then after
00:42:53
producing thousands of images you don't
00:42:55
understand what is good and what what is
00:42:57
bad like because in architecture I think
00:43:00
curation what is good and what is bad is
00:43:02
mostly about curation you produce lots
00:43:05
of stuff you see lots of stuff you need
00:43:08
to understand what's good so that that
00:43:11
is I think the most uh crucial uh part
00:43:15
of architecture being a good
00:43:17
architecture because being a good good
00:43:19
architecture is knowing stuff like
00:43:21
understanding stuff and then
00:43:23
understanding your client and then
00:43:24
giving them uh the uh more aesthetic or
00:43:29
more uh you know responsible
00:43:33
architecture in some way but I was lost
00:43:36
and then she joined then she started
00:43:40
traing and then I was like sometimes uh
00:43:43
you know talking her about maybe not
00:43:46
this way we can go this way like uh for
00:43:49
for the projects but me and punar how we
00:43:53
are working I think it's something like
00:43:56
we changing the RS but it's something
00:43:58
like what uh a generative AI you know
00:44:02
engine is working a generative AI engine
00:44:05
works like that uh an engine produces uh
00:44:08
a part of it produces the image and then
00:44:11
there's a
00:44:12
discriminator and then sees the image is
00:44:15
usable or not and then if it's usable it
00:44:18
just shows it the the result so I think
00:44:23
me andar has this discriminator and then
00:44:25
produces uh you know relationship and
00:44:28
then we changing the roles most most of
00:44:30
the
00:44:31
times so I produce I show it to her and
00:44:36
for 90% of my Productions goes to waste
00:44:40
because she says like no like we're
00:44:42
we're not going with that because me for
00:44:45
me I think I'm more on the maybe I'm
00:44:49
more on the on the crazy sites than
00:44:52
making uh you know
00:44:55
buildings less may be applicable in the
00:44:58
materiality and then uh in the in the
00:45:02
usage so what you see in the Instagram
00:45:05
is mostly punar is keeping me under
00:45:10
under the the control and saying like
00:45:12
Okay if you if we want to do something
00:45:15
she's saying if you want to do something
00:45:16
and then see show people uh we need to
00:45:20
make some uh material research and then
00:45:24
uh application research and then we need
00:45:27
to make things uh in that direction so
00:45:31
I'm producing some stuff and then I'm
00:45:32
keeping it to myself and then it's just
00:45:35
my hobby but for the Instagram it's
00:45:38
mostly uh yes we go with the applicable
00:45:42
with the materials and then the locali
00:45:46
like we want to match it and then I
00:45:48
think I'm getting used to more liking it
00:45:51
because I we always have this small uh
00:45:55
fights about
00:45:57
I don't want to you know make too much
00:45:59
uh you know applicable stuff I say
00:46:02
sometimes but I think you can see in
00:46:04
some projects that it gets a little bit
00:46:08
uh you know research and then material
00:46:11
research and then application research
00:46:13
in some points so in that are that these
00:46:16
are the points where I just pushed and
00:46:19
then uh integrated some uh some things
00:46:23
in there but it's mostly you know we're
00:46:25
changing the roles some sometimes she
00:46:27
comes with very crazy and I said like
00:46:31
no I don't like that yeah yeah yeah it
00:46:35
it works uh pretty well actually I think
00:46:39
uh working single for
00:46:42
AI it's so hard you need you need
00:46:45
someone to talk about uh and then is it
00:46:49
really good is it really um you know us
00:46:53
yeah yeah yeah no and I think that's
00:46:57
interesting and that makes sense in the
00:46:59
way that I guess as Architects we have
00:47:00
to be able to critic and it comes with
00:47:03
like design aesthetic and and things
00:47:05
like that and being able to deconstruct
00:47:07
an image um so I think that process that
00:47:09
you have back and forth essentially
00:47:11
works well because you see some of the
00:47:12
images on your profile uh and there's
00:47:15
some buildings that even though like
00:47:17
there's one that I really like on your
00:47:19
profile uh that I always keep going back
00:47:21
to it's kind of like this beach house
00:47:22
but it's made like kind of like a
00:47:23
concrete and it's like a concrete block
00:47:26
and then it has like these little
00:47:27
columns at the bottom right and it's
00:47:29
like a beach house and you have like
00:47:30
multiple iterations of that and even
00:47:32
Interiors like these kind of vaulted
00:47:34
like Arch interiors and I'm like oh like
00:47:36
that's really cool like it it seems far
00:47:38
out like a little bit like it does seems
00:47:40
a little Fantastical but it gets to the
00:47:42
point where you're like oh actually this
00:47:43
could probably be constructed like if
00:47:46
you really kind of like break it down
00:47:47
into pieces um and to be able to arrive
00:47:50
at that uh sort of like constructibility
00:47:53
uh or like that sort of critique of like
00:47:56
you know what is possible in
00:47:57
architecture I think that's really
00:47:58
important and I think your practice
00:48:00
really kind of exemplifies that I guess
00:48:02
with Pinar and how you guys critique
00:48:04
your work um so that's really cool to
00:48:07
see um and then I guess another question
00:48:09
that I had for you was um now that
00:48:12
you're you're actually getting these
00:48:14
kind of like projects um or like
00:48:15
commissions to to actually build some of
00:48:17
these stuff
00:48:19
um how do you essentially because you
00:48:22
mentioned that you kind of do more of a
00:48:24
a research materiality conceptual
00:48:26
research
00:48:27
if you're developing these proposals
00:48:28
you're actually going with that are you
00:48:30
developing kind of like your own
00:48:31
strategy now for design based on
00:48:34
Incorporated in the
00:48:36
AI uh like let's talk about the the the
00:48:41
latest project like uh I'm me and P
00:48:44
working for the three months now
00:48:48
so actually when we started with the
00:48:51
client uh he didn't uh too much
00:48:55
understand that we are working with AI
00:48:58
with the with the ideas on our Instagram
00:49:01
account and he kind of asked me to go
00:49:05
with the flow and then do something and
00:49:07
he doesn't want to you know
00:49:09
intervene uh with the ideas so uh so it
00:49:15
so it's name for me like uh in in in a
00:49:18
big company like I as I said I'm half
00:49:21
working with the big company and then
00:49:23
I'm using AI for them and then they are
00:49:26
really
00:49:27
you know showing it to client and
00:49:29
getting some results but it's not like I
00:49:33
didn't try to combine AI from the
00:49:36
beginning of a project and then try to
00:49:39
act with it uh mostly so I just I think
00:49:44
I kind of afraid so I started with
00:49:47
normal architecture you know ways and
00:49:49
stuff so normal modeling and normal
00:49:52
things and then I just tried to enhance
00:49:55
the
00:49:56
the model with the with the AI uh you
00:49:59
know rendering things and stuff but then
00:50:02
uh my client asked me like okay I think
00:50:07
this is a progress and then you need
00:50:09
some time to uh give some other options
00:50:13
and then uh Advance it but I'm seeing
00:50:16
some stuff in your Instagram account
00:50:18
that is so
00:50:20
good why can't we you know do something
00:50:23
like that how much time does it take and
00:50:26
at that point I said like okay uh if I'm
00:50:30
using my original idea and then try to
00:50:34
uh develop it it will take at least two
00:50:37
to three months to make a good concept
00:50:41
out of that you can do it faster but I'm
00:50:43
working two jobs right now because uh I
00:50:46
don't want to you know get behind the uh
00:50:49
big construction industry in that
00:50:52
company I'm just working with lots of
00:50:54
stuff and then big things going on but
00:50:57
in my
00:50:58
own company with we're trying to go
00:51:02
start from the from the beginning from
00:51:05
the basic things and stuff so I have
00:51:08
limited time so I said like if you
00:51:12
really like something out of these
00:51:15
options just point it and then I'll try
00:51:18
to you know adapt it so I tried that and
00:51:22
then he sent me three options and then
00:51:24
one of them is the the Sandy build you
00:51:27
like he sent that and the one of the
00:51:31
pink buildings I think designed and then
00:51:34
one of the you know I I show it in the
00:51:36
in the presentation and then I made some
00:51:40
you know
00:51:40
variations uh based on the actual
00:51:44
dimensions and then ratios of the
00:51:47
building because there's a limit like
00:51:50
there is 8 m limit and stuff like that
00:51:53
so I used like Photoshop Firefly
00:51:57
that this lots of stuff and then for the
00:52:00
first time I think when I finished with
00:52:02
the design I said like okay this is an
00:52:05
really AI enhanced uh you know design
00:52:09
project because some of the stuff I
00:52:12
didn't control I just let it and then
00:52:14
some of the ratios and stuff I
00:52:17
controlled and then I showed it to the
00:52:20
to the client and he was like at that
00:52:22
point he just sold he just uh you know
00:52:26
uh accepted the concept and then we
00:52:28
finished the conceptual phase at that
00:52:30
point because it was like a we I think
00:52:34
we have this agreement to finish it in
00:52:37
ER one and a half months for the first
00:52:41
and then it was like stuck in in one
00:52:44
point he was saying like uh I need to
00:52:47
see something different and then when I
00:52:49
change it to to the AI you know
00:52:51
rendering and enhanced stuff he just uh
00:52:55
said said that's why I want thank you
00:52:58
and let's finish the conceptual project
00:53:00
and let's go to the design development
00:53:02
process so it was a really you know and
00:53:06
interesting uh point because I gave it
00:53:10
as I said I I started with the games and
00:53:13
then I like achievements so the
00:53:16
achievement there is only capable I was
00:53:21
capable to use Ai and I did that
00:53:24
achievement with AI and then he paid me
00:53:27
with with that and then I said like okay
00:53:30
this is a realization of using AI in my
00:53:33
design process so I did something I
00:53:36
achieved something he uh he understand
00:53:40
it he liked it and then he paid for it
00:53:43
that I think that's the that's the point
00:53:45
where I applied uh AI in the system but
00:53:50
still as I said yesterday I lost uh
00:53:54
andscape like I'm using andscape too
00:53:57
much and then I lost andscape then I was
00:54:01
I had to you know invent something
00:54:03
because it's so hard that you know
00:54:05
converting the basic image to that with
00:54:09
the uh traditional rendering and stuff
00:54:13
like because those materials are the
00:54:16
materials that he chose like it's not
00:54:18
like uh Hey AI do do me something like
00:54:22
show me some material stuff some stuff I
00:54:25
had 1 hour and then Escape crashed and
00:54:29
then I just you know I think the
00:54:32
adrenaline have effect on that so I used
00:54:36
mid Journey Firefly stable diffusion
00:54:39
everything like like stable diffusion I
00:54:42
said like I sometimes L uh use lucx uh
00:54:46
Lux is kind of making something but I
00:54:49
think they're getting behind I want them
00:54:52
to you know develop from here I'm saying
00:54:55
my you
00:54:56
develop look
00:54:58
more uh so I think
00:55:01
that's that's adal thing like I always
00:55:05
find stuff when I'm stuck in somewhere
00:55:08
and then too depressed and then I come
00:55:11
up with something new and AI kind of
00:55:15
worked in that
00:55:17
point yeah no that's awesome hear and um
00:55:21
I I think that's like very interesting
00:55:23
that you can kind of see where certain
00:55:26
software or certain parts of the
00:55:27
workflow are being replaced or enhanced
00:55:31
um and you you're you're now seeing it
00:55:33
and and also I think the um you know
00:55:36
this is kind of like another debate but
00:55:38
like a lot of architecture now that
00:55:40
people are seeing online can be
00:55:41
generated by AI right not necessarily
00:55:44
like traditional architect so clients
00:55:46
are people that oh let me see like I
00:55:48
want to build something like that image
00:55:50
that they might not know that it's AI so
00:55:52
now you kind of have to see it from that
00:55:54
lens too and see kind of what the
00:55:56
client's seeing and be able to
00:55:58
manipulate based on that um what you're
00:56:01
going to generate uh so uh o we're
00:56:04
coming up to the hour and I wanted to
00:56:06
ask you um what are like some of the
00:56:08
most or like what what are some things
00:56:11
about let's say where we are in
00:56:12
architecture design say in tech and and
00:56:15
this kind of industry um that you're
00:56:18
most excited about like what like how do
00:56:20
you see the industry evolving what are
00:56:22
you excited about uh for yourself
00:56:26
ER I think I'm most excited about let's
00:56:30
say I'm I'm right now uh you know I said
00:56:33
I have two jobs going on together
00:56:37
without AI I think it it won't be
00:56:39
possible like this is not not something
00:56:42
I can manage without using AI so in the
00:56:47
future uh I hope that AI G gave us some
00:56:51
space to uh stop and think about maybe
00:56:55
design philosophy like uh conceptual
00:56:59
design like conceptual design is not
00:57:02
always uh like making a fancy building
00:57:06
conceptual design is Mo mostly about
00:57:09
context usually and then so it needs to
00:57:13
thinking about it and and then uh like
00:57:17
sketching and other things so I'm
00:57:21
excited about this things that taking
00:57:24
the very things that I don't like to do
00:57:29
I don't like to you know do the Revit
00:57:32
thing the be thing the I don't actually
00:57:34
like coding like because for me coding
00:57:38
is like I like coding in the uh in a as
00:57:42
a technologist I like coding the idea of
00:57:44
coding but coding is something that you
00:57:47
talk to the computer with its language
00:57:51
not your language coding is the
00:57:54
computer's language so we need to start
00:57:58
talking with our language to the
00:58:01
computer and then computer needs to
00:58:03
understand it at at one point so I'm
00:58:07
excited about that so I want to dialogue
00:58:11
with the with the machine so it
00:58:13
understand me so I can leave stuff to to
00:58:16
the machine and then I go sketch think
00:58:20
right and then I go talk to people V
00:58:24
Architects just you know go into our
00:58:27
boxes and then try to finish a building
00:58:30
finish an idea finish
00:58:32
an ideology and stuff and then when we
00:58:36
came out there ER the the ideas changed
00:58:40
the word changed as I said like the uh
00:58:43
in the Dubai they just write down uh
00:58:47
something about a design brief in
00:58:50
2017 for the whole island and they said
00:58:53
this is the Contemporary and right now
00:58:55
in we are in
00:58:58
2024 the Contemporary of the Dubai
00:59:01
itself it changed not Dubai the world
00:59:05
changed the vernacular hit hit the world
00:59:08
and then people are using brick Ceramics
00:59:12
and then all kinds of you know beautiful
00:59:14
stuff around and then in that brief it
00:59:17
says these are old materials and it
00:59:20
shouldn't be used for modern buildings
00:59:23
uh like Architects are some missing the
00:59:26
point too much so we need to leave this
00:59:30
stuff to technology uh to the machines
00:59:33
I'm expecting that in the future more so
00:59:37
we can go out and see the world itself
00:59:40
see the world understand the world and
00:59:42
then touch something like rock and stuff
00:59:45
and then if you want to use a rock you
00:59:47
need to at least touch it in the natural
00:59:50
you know Reserve uh before using that
00:59:54
that that's what I'm expecting I
00:59:56
think awesome um and then finally I
01:00:00
guess um usually close with this some
01:00:03
final words of advice uh to maybe young
01:00:06
Architects or designers uh that are
01:00:08
coming up in this era about the use of
01:00:10
Technologies or just architecture in
01:00:12
general that you would like to share
01:00:13
with
01:00:15
them uh I think I may sound like my old
01:00:20
the people older than me but I need to
01:00:23
you know pass the uh flag a little bit
01:00:26
to younger
01:00:28
generation um I know that you don't want
01:00:32
you don't want to work for free and
01:00:35
stuff and then don't work for free for
01:00:37
people and stuff but uh if you do want
01:00:40
to do uh good in architecture you need
01:00:44
to work harder so if you want your work
01:00:48
to pay
01:00:49
off either do it for
01:00:52
yourself or either do it for people
01:00:57
that has too much expertise uh in the
01:01:00
industry that's kind of not the thing I
01:01:04
don't I don't want to say this usually
01:01:07
to young people but they are afraid of
01:01:11
you know working at least uh one year in
01:01:15
a company right now they just come to
01:01:17
the companies and then they say like um
01:01:20
no that's not my um I don't like it yeah
01:01:25
like architecture
01:01:26
as I said uh in the future maybe it will
01:01:29
change but architecture is not something
01:01:32
you like most of the time so just bear
01:01:37
with us and a bit
01:01:40
more and at least work uh just finish a
01:01:44
year finish a project finish something
01:01:46
because if you don't finish it if you
01:01:48
don't see it end to the to the end you
01:01:51
don't understand like you don't see
01:01:54
anything and then you are a collection
01:01:56
of
01:01:57
Unfinished uh you know things that
01:02:00
coming together and then at some point
01:02:03
you will feel uh you know
01:02:06
unaccomplished uh achievement is
01:02:08
something like for me uh from for me to
01:02:13
uh from me to Young
01:02:15
Generation uh try to achieve something
01:02:18
finish it make a check mark and then
01:02:21
move out maybe first don't leave things
01:02:24
don't ghost uh
01:02:26
don't ghost people and then go away
01:02:29
let's finish it something and then I
01:02:31
think it will be uh better for maybe
01:02:35
you're being a good architecture in a
01:02:37
way I sound like my old people here but
01:02:42
I'm sorry no it's it's good advice
01:02:44
though it's it's wisdom that's what you
01:02:46
would call it's wisdom right um all
01:02:50
right awesome uh ozan thank you so much
01:02:52
for joining I really enjoy the
01:02:53
presentation and the conversation um and
01:02:57
uh I really enjoy seeing you guys' work
01:03:00
and how it has evolved over like the
01:03:02
last you know year and a half or so that
01:03:04
I've been following you guys um and I'm
01:03:07
looking forward to seeing more I I
01:03:08
actually I really want to see some of
01:03:10
your work being constructed so I hope
01:03:12
like in in a few years from now we'll
01:03:14
see these little buildings being
01:03:16
constructed around the world um I'm I'm
01:03:18
excited to see that um I I think what
01:03:21
you guys are doing is is definitely
01:03:22
taking like a unique stand in in this
01:03:24
kind of approach
01:03:26
um so I find it really unique and yeah I
01:03:29
I wish you the best of luck and hope we
01:03:31
get to see more of these buildings being
01:03:33
constructed thank you Daniel it was so
01:03:36
fun like we always need to talk to each
01:03:39
other about what we're doing and what we
01:03:42
see the word and then I like uh your
01:03:44
collection and also diffusion
01:03:46
architecture it always somewhere I check
01:03:49
all the time first to see what's new and
01:03:52
what's going on thank you for inviting
01:03:54
me all right awesome all right thank you
01:03:57
all have a great rest of your
01:04:00
weekend bye bye see you later bye bye