Why You Can't Get Them Out Of Your Head (Limerence)
Summary
TLDRThe video provides an in-depth analysis of limerance, detailing its characteristics and effects. Defined as an intense, involuntary infatuation, it often stems from childhood experiences of parental neglect or inconsistency. The speaker, a psychiatrist, emphasizes the complexities surrounding the diagnosis of limerance given the lack of empirical data. By referencing Dorothy Tennov's early works, he outlines the emotional turmoil and psychological instability associated with limerance, highlighting that it can arise unexpectedly, even within healthy relationships. Strategies for addressing limerance include understanding emotional triggers, cognitive evaluation of beliefs, and therapeutic interventions. The video underscores the importance of acceptance in mitigating limerance, suggesting that recognizing it as a product of emotional unmet needs can aid in overcoming the condition.
Takeaways
- ๐ง Limerance is an overwhelming infatuation often linked to childhood experiences.
- ๐ It can cause emotional instability and affect one's identity and daily life.
- ๐ Limerance is not officially diagnosable, making it hard to research.
- ๐ญ Symptoms include intrusive thoughts and a dependency on the limerent object's reactions.
- ๐ก Strategies for resolution include therapy and cognitive evaluations.
- ๐ค Acceptance of limerance can help reduce its emotional toll.
- ๐ฑ Understanding unmet emotional needs can aid in healing from limerance.
- ๐ข Limerance can occur unexpectedly, even in healthy relationships.
- ๐ Episodes can last from 1 to 7 years, often fueled by idealization.
- โจ Acceptance of the condition can empower individuals to cope and dissolve its power over them.
Timeline
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As children, we develop expectations about the world based on interactions with our parents and others. When someone displays perfect characteristics, it leads to the idealization of that person and creates an overwhelming feeling of 'limerance,' a debilitating form of infatuation that disrupts one's sense of identity. Limerance can be confusing, as people often do not understand what it is or how to cope with it.
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Limerance is characterized by obsessive thoughts about a person, a yearning for reciprocal feelings, and an emotional dependency on their responses. Small gestures from the 'limerent object' can disproportionately influence our mood, leading to feelings of elation or despair based on their actions or inactions. The neurological impact involves stress responses and fantasies about interactions with this person, which complicate emotional stability.
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One significant concept from Dorothy Tennov's book on limerance is the evolution of obsession over timeโfrom initial infatuation to increased fixation based on perceived reciprocation, which tends to distort reality. The excitement is often accompanied by volatility, as the feeling of being 'in love' can swing from emotional highs to lows, creating a roller-coaster experience tied intimately to the liant object.
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The emotional dependency associated with limerance can cause alterations to a personโs motivational hierarchy. This means that their focus shifts significantly towards the limerent object, often at the expense of relationships and obligations in daily life, creating a sense of disintegration in the self, as multiple layers of identity and priorities become tangled.
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Limerance can disrupt personal life significantly. Though one might have a steady romantic relationship or a fulfilling career, limerance can make them hyper-focus on a minor connection with a different person. This can lead to obsessive behaviors where individuals strive for attention and validation from the limerent object, drawing them into a state of longing unrelated to their normal lives.
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The characteristics of limerance include intrusive thoughts, mood dependencies based on the other person's response, anticipatory fantasies of connection, and heightened sensitivity to the 'limerent object's actions or inactions. The context often defines how such emotions develop and become complicated. People might remain oblivious to this mental and emotional turmoil, not realizing its effects on their judgment and well-being.
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Many researchers suggest that factors like attachment theory can provide insights into limerance, indicating that anxiously attached individuals may be more prone to such obsessive behavior. The conundrum lies in why some face limerance while others do not, suggesting that genetic predispositions alongside emotional neglect could lead to a greater risk of experiencing limerance.
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The integration of multiple psychological theories highlights that limerance could stem from childhood experiences where initial attachments were inconsistent, prompting a search for idealized relationships in adulthood. The blending of anxious attachment styles with high levels of intrigue or desire for validation from a 'perfect' individual can lead to the condition, which can persist for years, often misinterpreted.
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As limerance develops, patterns emerge about how individuals react and cope. The initial phases are characterized by idealization where the feelings are positive and unattached, while progression into deeper stages turns this admiration into an obsession that feels impossible to shake off. Often, setbacks unexpectedly deepen the attraction rather than diminish it, leading to a frustrating cycle.
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To mitigate limerance, individuals can explore cognitive behavioral approaches, which encourage them to understand their unmet emotional needs and develop a reality-based perspective. This perspective recognizes the separation of fantasies from achievable realities, enhancing emotional stability and self-awareness.
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Finally, acceptance is crucial in mitigating the impacts of limerance. Recognizing that these feelings are largely based in fantasy can help dissolve the compulsive nature of the attachment. Embracing a logical approach to the experiences, coupled with emotional healing from the patterns originating in childhood, is essential in overcoming limerance.
Mind Map
Video Q&A
What is limerance?
Limerance is an overwhelming, obsessive infatuation with someone characterized by intrusive thoughts and strong desire for reciprocation.
What causes limerance?
Limerance is influenced by childhood experiences, especially inconsistent emotional availability from caregivers, and it may be linked to genetic predispositions associated with OCD.
How long can limerance last?
Episodes of limerance can persist for 1 to 7 years.
Is limerance a diagnosable condition?
No, limerance is not officially recognized as a diagnosable condition, making it hard to gather empirical data on it.
Can limerance occur in healthy relationships?
Yes, limerance can occur even when someone is in a healthy romantic relationship.
What are the symptoms of limerance?
Symptoms include intrusive thoughts, dependency on the limerent object's reactions, idealization of the person, and emotional volatility.
How can limerance be resolved?
Resolution can involve therapy focusing on understanding unmet emotional needs, cognitive re-evaluation of feelings, and developing healthier attachment patterns.
Are there emotional or physiological responses associated with limerance?
Yes, limerance often triggers emotional distress, anxiety, and physical symptoms such as nausea and shallow breathing.
What role does attachment theory play in limerance?
Attachment theory suggests that individuals with anxious attachment styles are more prone to limerance due to unmet emotional needs during childhood.
Can acceptance of limerance help mitigate its effects?
Yes, acceptance of limerance as a challenge can help diminish its emotional impact and make it easier to cope.
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- 00:00:00so when we're a child we learn about the
- 00:00:02world we start to form
- 00:00:04expectations about the world and so if
- 00:00:07I'm living in an environment where my
- 00:00:09parents are intermittently available to
- 00:00:11love me and then this magical person
- 00:00:14shows up I have a brief interaction so I
- 00:00:16don't get to know them long enough to
- 00:00:19where the idealization can wear off I
- 00:00:22have this perfect interaction what does
- 00:00:24my brain learn my brain gravitates
- 00:00:26towards the things that fulfill my needs
- 00:00:28so in this moment my brain learns holy
- 00:00:31crap there are perfect people who exist
- 00:00:37out there and this person can swoop in
- 00:00:39and this person can make everything
- 00:00:41perfect for me and they can exist so
- 00:00:43limerance is the feeling of being in
- 00:00:45love but in in a way that is so
- 00:00:47overwhelming debilitating and unexpected
- 00:00:50that it usually leaves you pretty messed
- 00:00:52up you can kind of think about it is
- 00:00:54like crushing so hard that it it kind of
- 00:00:57messes up your life messes up your sense
- 00:01:00of identity if yall don't know what
- 00:01:02limerance is congratulations you really
- 00:01:04dodged a bullet and for those of you
- 00:01:06that have been struggling with limerance
- 00:01:08hopefully today's video will help yall
- 00:01:10understand what it is where it comes
- 00:01:13from what the course of it is so what to
- 00:01:15expect over time as well as potentially
- 00:01:18how to resolve it so this has been a
- 00:01:20hard video for me to make so I'm a a
- 00:01:22psychiatrist by training and I trained
- 00:01:23at Harvard Medical School and one of the
- 00:01:25key things that they taught us there is
- 00:01:27that you know you shouldn't like open
- 00:01:28your mouth unless you have data to back
- 00:01:30it up and this is one of the biggest
- 00:01:32challenges with limerance because first
- 00:01:33of all it's not like a diagnosable
- 00:01:35condition most people don't even know
- 00:01:37what it is but the the experience of it
- 00:01:39is definitely on the rise that's why
- 00:01:41we're kind of making this video and
- 00:01:43there isn't a whole lot of data about it
- 00:01:45right so people won't do studies on
- 00:01:47limerance there aren't rcts so it's
- 00:01:49really hard to sort of synthesize
- 00:01:51information and be able to confidently
- 00:01:53say this is what limerance is this is
- 00:01:55what causes it so I've been working on
- 00:01:57this video for about 2 years and I find
- 00:01:59finally feel confident enough to share
- 00:02:02something with you so what we're going
- 00:02:04to start with I think this is the best
- 00:02:05place to start is in 1975 there was a
- 00:02:08woman named Dorothy tennov who wrote a
- 00:02:10book about limerance and I think the
- 00:02:12opening lines of the book are so
- 00:02:14phenomenal it's like poetry y'all that I
- 00:02:17think the best way to describe what
- 00:02:20limerance is is by just reading this off
- 00:02:22to y'all so you think I want you I want
- 00:02:25you forever now yesterday and always
- 00:02:28Above All I Want You to want me no
- 00:02:31matter where I am or what I am doing I'm
- 00:02:33not safe from your spell at any moment
- 00:02:35the image of your face smiling at me of
- 00:02:38your voice telling me you care of your
- 00:02:41hand in my mine may suddenly fill my
- 00:02:44Consciousness rudely pushing out all
- 00:02:47else the expression thinking of you
- 00:02:49fails to convey either the quality or
- 00:02:53quantity of this unwilled mental
- 00:02:55activity obsessed comes closer but
- 00:02:58leaves out the a aing a child is
- 00:03:01obsessed on Christmas Eve but it's a
- 00:03:03happy prepossession full of excitement
- 00:03:06curiosity and expectation this
- 00:03:08prepossession is an emotional roller
- 00:03:11coaster that carries me from the peak of
- 00:03:13ecstasy to the depths of Despair and
- 00:03:16back again so this is what limerance is
- 00:03:18it is this sudden onset invasion of your
- 00:03:24mind buy something so there's another
- 00:03:26great paper that sort of describes this
- 00:03:28as a limmer beast so it's sort of like
- 00:03:30limerance is something that invades you
- 00:03:32I I almost think about it like a
- 00:03:33werewolf where like you know you're a
- 00:03:35normal human most of the time except
- 00:03:39when the limerance becomes active and
- 00:03:41once you get invaded by the limmer Beast
- 00:03:44you kind of transform into this weirwolf
- 00:03:47where in your mind you have all of these
- 00:03:49obsessional thoughts you're thinking
- 00:03:51about this person constantly it's not
- 00:03:53even necessarily sexual in nature which
- 00:03:55is a a feature of limerance but you're
- 00:03:58you're fantasizing about this person
- 00:04:00fantasizing about this person sort of
- 00:04:02being kind to you this person
- 00:04:04reciprocating these feelings that you
- 00:04:06have it's such an intense and
- 00:04:08overwhelming sense of like an
- 00:04:11obsessional love and limerance is
- 00:04:13something that is incredibly
- 00:04:14destabilizing for people so the the
- 00:04:16weird thing about limerance is that it
- 00:04:18can strike people who are in healthy
- 00:04:21romantic relationships so there are
- 00:04:23people who are married who will like
- 00:04:25suddenly wake up one day usually has a
- 00:04:27small interaction with someone else and
- 00:04:29and then like they'll their mind will
- 00:04:31just be invaded by thoughts of these
- 00:04:33people they're thinking about them all
- 00:04:35the time thinking about like you know
- 00:04:36does this person notice me do they like
- 00:04:38me will they give me there's this weird
- 00:04:40ache that you have that you believe that
- 00:04:42only this other person can fulfill hey
- 00:04:44all' if you want more info on limerance
- 00:04:46check out our limerance specific page
- 00:04:48this is a new thing that we're doing
- 00:04:49that has a ton of information on
- 00:04:50limerance links to additional videos and
- 00:04:53some info on our coaching program if
- 00:04:55that's interesting to you the link is in
- 00:04:56the description below and now back to
- 00:04:58the video so what are the features of
- 00:05:01this limmer Beast I think once again
- 00:05:03what we need to do is go straight back
- 00:05:04to ten of's book because I think she
- 00:05:06does the best job of describing this
- 00:05:08limerance has certain basic components
- 00:05:10intrusive thinking about the object of
- 00:05:12your desire the liant object or Loo Who
- 00:05:15is a possible sexual partner but not
- 00:05:17always sexual acute longing for
- 00:05:19reciprocation this is huge so you want
- 00:05:22the person to like you have all these
- 00:05:25feelings and when you want more than
- 00:05:26anything else is their approval and
- 00:05:28their reciprocation
- 00:05:30a dependency of mood on the L's actions
- 00:05:33or more accurately your interpretation
- 00:05:36of the L's actions with the respect with
- 00:05:39respect to the probability of
- 00:05:40reciprocation this is something we have
- 00:05:42to explain in a little bit more detail
- 00:05:43so people who are liant usually have
- 00:05:46like their mood depends on the limerent
- 00:05:50object the person that you're obsessive
- 00:05:51about your mood depends entirely on how
- 00:05:54they react to you so you'll make maybe
- 00:05:57small overtures for their attention and
- 00:05:59if they respond in a positive way first
- 00:06:01of all you read so much into it so this
- 00:06:04person touched you lightly on the
- 00:06:06shoulder and then you're like oh my God
- 00:06:08this means that they notice me and you
- 00:06:10feel amazing there's this feeling of
- 00:06:13ecstasy this feeling of Walking on Air
- 00:06:15it's been described in ten of's book as
- 00:06:17buoyancy when the liant object responds
- 00:06:20to you in some positive way you feel
- 00:06:23buoyant you feel amazing and when they
- 00:06:26don't respond in a positive way or they
- 00:06:28respond in a new neutal way you're left
- 00:06:30with this incredible sense of achiness
- 00:06:33like aching deep inside you so your life
- 00:06:36becomes kind of Tethered to your
- 00:06:39perception of their responses and it
- 00:06:41feels like an incredible roller coaster
- 00:06:43so another big feature of this is some
- 00:06:45fleeting and transient relief from
- 00:06:47unrequited limerent passion through
- 00:06:49vivid imagination of action by the L
- 00:06:53that means reciprocation the other thing
- 00:06:55that happens is not only you hyp
- 00:06:57sensitive to what they do what they say
- 00:07:00and over interpret their actions but
- 00:07:02when you are aching inside there is
- 00:07:05often times a fantasy life that you will
- 00:07:07construct you will fantasize about this
- 00:07:10person touching your arm or this person
- 00:07:12doing this or texting you back or
- 00:07:14finally noticing the way that you feel
- 00:07:16about them reciprocating your love
- 00:07:19saying oh I've been longing for you as
- 00:07:21well so there's a a big component of
- 00:07:23limerance is actually like the amount of
- 00:07:26time you spend in your head fantasizing
- 00:07:29ing usually about small things sometimes
- 00:07:32they can be things like sexual fantasies
- 00:07:34and what that means to you so another
- 00:07:36big feature of limerance is that there
- 00:07:38are small actions that have big
- 00:07:42implications in your head another
- 00:07:44feature is a fear of rejection in
- 00:07:46sometimes incapacitating but always
- 00:07:48unsettling shyness in the ELO's presence
- 00:07:52especially in the beginning and whenever
- 00:07:54uncertainty strikes there's also an
- 00:07:56intensification of the feeling through
- 00:07:58adversity so this can them not
- 00:08:00responding to you or when challenges
- 00:08:03arise in your life that are not related
- 00:08:05to the liant object often times the
- 00:08:08lians can intensify there is an acute
- 00:08:11sensitivity to any act or thought or
- 00:08:14condition that can be interpreted
- 00:08:16favorably and an extraordinary ability
- 00:08:19to devise or invent reasonable
- 00:08:22explanations for why the neutrality that
- 00:08:24the disinterested Observer might see is
- 00:08:27a is in fact a sign of hidden passion in
- 00:08:30the liant object so the first is that
- 00:08:32there is a hypers sensitivity to small
- 00:08:35signals from the liant object so that
- 00:08:38touch on the arm we kind of talked about
- 00:08:40the other thing that tends to happen is
- 00:08:42that in your mind you will notice a lot
- 00:08:45of mental gymnastics to interpret all
- 00:08:49kinds of things so if they don't respond
- 00:08:51to you and the weird thing about Limer
- 00:08:53and objects is that often times they
- 00:08:55don't you don't like necessarily know
- 00:08:56them well it can kind of strike like you
- 00:08:58can meet someone on the street and they
- 00:09:00can say hey how are you and then
- 00:09:02suddenly you get invaded by the limmer
- 00:09:05Beast so it is very rare that liant
- 00:09:08objects are I don't know if I should say
- 00:09:10very rare but you know it's it's
- 00:09:13unusually common I should say that
- 00:09:15limerent objects are not people that you
- 00:09:18have very close relationships with
- 00:09:21sometimes you can develop limerance for
- 00:09:22someone like a cooworker someone that
- 00:09:24you do interact with but the whole point
- 00:09:26is that you are like your experience of
- 00:09:29interactions with them carries a lot
- 00:09:32more meaning than what is externally
- 00:09:35observable so even if they don't text
- 00:09:37you back or they say Hi how are you or
- 00:09:39they don't say hi to you one morning
- 00:09:41your mind will be super focused on these
- 00:09:44small signals in interpreting those
- 00:09:46small signals an aching of the heart
- 00:09:48like literally this is like a physical
- 00:09:50Sensation that people will have
- 00:09:53especially when uncertainty is strong
- 00:09:55okay uh a a feeling of buoyancy a
- 00:09:57feeling of Walking on Air when
- 00:09:59reciprocation seems evident another key
- 00:10:02feature of limerance is the roller
- 00:10:04coaster nature of it there's a there's
- 00:10:06the the primary emotional experience of
- 00:10:08the people that that I've kind of worked
- 00:10:10with who are liant are is uncertainty
- 00:10:12they're obsessing over does this person
- 00:10:14Notice Me does this person not notied me
- 00:10:16have they stopped noticing me are they
- 00:10:18going to notice me more tomorrow they
- 00:10:20they're very very uncertain and anxious
- 00:10:22in relation to that person and like we
- 00:10:24said they're kind of hyperfocused maybe
- 00:10:26all are hyperfocused on small things
- 00:10:28that the person does or doesn't do which
- 00:10:31creates a lot of anxiety and then also
- 00:10:33when there is some form of reciprocation
- 00:10:36you read a lot into it and then you feel
- 00:10:39absolutely amazing so it's this kind of
- 00:10:41ping ponging between intense uncertainty
- 00:10:44does this person notice you is it
- 00:10:46possible that they reciprocate and small
- 00:10:48gestures that usually have you know
- 00:10:51tectonic effects on your internal being
- 00:10:55and when you feel uncertain Things
- 00:10:57become very very painful there's that
- 00:10:58achiness in your heart Etc so the other
- 00:11:01thing that's really important about
- 00:11:02limerance is that there is a general
- 00:11:04intensity of feeling that leaves other
- 00:11:05concerns in in the background um and so
- 00:11:08this we got to talk about too so that
- 00:11:10there are other studies that kind of
- 00:11:11talk about this in a different way so
- 00:11:13limerance also does something called
- 00:11:15alter the motivational hierarchy of your
- 00:11:19life and this is why I think that the
- 00:11:21the limmer Beast is such a good um
- 00:11:25description of it so if we think about
- 00:11:27like a normal human life right we have
- 00:11:29like all kinds of things that we're
- 00:11:31motivated towards like so I want to do
- 00:11:33well in my job I want to do well in my
- 00:11:35romantic relationship I want to take
- 00:11:37care of my body I want to have fun and
- 00:11:39so we have this like motivational
- 00:11:41hierarchy and the whole problem with
- 00:11:43limerance is that you have like a life
- 00:11:46that you are living which is even like a
- 00:11:48somewhat arguably normal and complete
- 00:11:50life and the limmer Beast comes in and
- 00:11:54Alters your motivational hierarchy you
- 00:11:57stop caring about the things that you
- 00:11:59used to care about including romantic
- 00:12:02relationships spouses Etc like it's wild
- 00:12:05you stop caring about your career as
- 00:12:07much and when we talk about stop caring
- 00:12:10you know if I stop and ask you when the
- 00:12:11Liber Beast is not active you start
- 00:12:14caring about those things again but
- 00:12:16there's just something about the amount
- 00:12:19of time that your mind spends thinking
- 00:12:22about this person craving this person's
- 00:12:26reciprocation craving this person's
- 00:12:28attention fantasizing about it internal
- 00:12:31the amount of copium that you're huffing
- 00:12:34when they don't give it to you so it
- 00:12:35really disrupts your motivational
- 00:12:38hierarchy and then a lot of your
- 00:12:40thoughts and actions become related to
- 00:12:43the limerent object and then the last
- 00:12:45feature that tennov describes is a
- 00:12:47remarkable ability to emphasize what is
- 00:12:49truly admirable in the Limer an object
- 00:12:52and to avoid dwelling on the negative
- 00:12:54even to respond with a compassion for
- 00:12:56the negative and render it emotionally
- 00:12:58if not perceptually into another
- 00:13:00positive attribute so this is why I love
- 00:13:03ten of's work so when you have a liant
- 00:13:05object you idealize them a lot and you
- 00:13:08take the parts of them that could be
- 00:13:11demonized and you manage to idealize
- 00:13:14them too you turn their flaws into
- 00:13:17Perfections in your mind so this is some
- 00:13:20weird once again kind of mental
- 00:13:22gymnastics and we'll get into why your
- 00:13:24mind does this in a in a little bit but
- 00:13:26this is another feature that is very
- 00:13:28common with Limer which is that you kind
- 00:13:30of see like all these amaz oh this
- 00:13:31person's great they're compassionate
- 00:13:33they're caring they're so wonderful and
- 00:13:36oh yeah the reason they're such an
- 00:13:37to the people at work is because
- 00:13:40they're just so intensely brilliant
- 00:13:42their mind can't hold the space for
- 00:13:46normal human interactions which is why
- 00:13:48they don't say hi to me every morning
- 00:13:49even though I say hi to them in those
- 00:13:51few moments that they do say hi feel so
- 00:13:53amazing for me so limerance has this
- 00:13:56deep obsessional quality where your mind
- 00:13:59I don't know how how else to say this
- 00:14:01but like I'm hoping yall are
- 00:14:02understanding that it's really mental
- 00:14:04right so it's not entirely based in
- 00:14:06reality but there's an obsessional
- 00:14:08intrusive quality to it that dominates
- 00:14:10your thinking performs mental gymnastics
- 00:14:13causes you to to really be longing for
- 00:14:16them and then how you feel on a
- 00:14:18particular day depends on how they
- 00:14:20respond to you as one person put it
- 00:14:22their liant object is their hobby their
- 00:14:25passion and their Obsession and often
- 00:14:27times limerance leads to a
- 00:14:29disintegration of your identity and if
- 00:14:32we sort of understand like if we kind of
- 00:14:34integrate what we know about the
- 00:14:35features of limerance with sort of like
- 00:14:37thinking how it really affects their
- 00:14:38lives this will make a lot of sense so
- 00:14:41here you are living your normal life
- 00:14:43right you're going about your
- 00:14:46day you have to test to study for and
- 00:14:49then there's a substitute Professor
- 00:14:50who's filling in one day for your
- 00:14:52professor and something in you clicks
- 00:14:56and this person is so amazing they're so
- 00:14:57much better than your professor they
- 00:14:59looked at you and then they nodded at
- 00:15:01you when you came in and you sat down in
- 00:15:03the class and now you're thinking about
- 00:15:05them all the time an episode of
- 00:15:06limerance can last there are studies
- 00:15:08that show that it lasts somewhere
- 00:15:09between 1 and seven years okay so once
- 00:15:13you start thinking about this person
- 00:15:14they are dominating your thoughts
- 00:15:17potentially for years at a time and now
- 00:15:20I I want youall to really appreciate
- 00:15:21this that it's hard to build a life
- 00:15:23around them right so these aren't
- 00:15:25necessarily real interactions there're
- 00:15:27interactions that are real but then your
- 00:15:28your mind amplifies them so you have
- 00:15:30your normal life over here where you're
- 00:15:33a student maybe married maybe have kids
- 00:15:34like super wild and then for maybe
- 00:15:37minutes or hours of the day there is
- 00:15:40this intrusive limmer Beast that comes
- 00:15:42in and dominates your thinking so now
- 00:15:45this becomes really really confusing to
- 00:15:47live through because you have all of
- 00:15:50this stuff over here you have a normal
- 00:15:52life but then you transform into this
- 00:15:55other thing for periods of time and then
- 00:15:59when you're like one person over here
- 00:16:01who's building a normal life and then
- 00:16:02like another person over here who's
- 00:16:05obsessively thinking about the limerent
- 00:16:07object it's really hard to get a sense
- 00:16:11of like an integrated life so very
- 00:16:14common feature is that people feel
- 00:16:16really really like a sense of
- 00:16:17disintegration like I disintegration
- 00:16:20like I'm over here and I'm doing one
- 00:16:21thing and I'm over here and I'm doing
- 00:16:23another thing so these are the core
- 00:16:24features and it kind of begs the
- 00:16:26question like how the hell does this
- 00:16:28happen to people people right what is
- 00:16:29going on in them that they sort of end
- 00:16:32up with these up to seveny yearlong
- 00:16:34obsessions over small interactions and
- 00:16:37where they're very very paranoid about
- 00:16:39reciprocation and they long for
- 00:16:41reciprocation to be noticed Etc right so
- 00:16:44why does this happen so this is where
- 00:16:46this is why it's actually taken me a
- 00:16:47couple of years because the majority of
- 00:16:50the you know stuff out there I've seen
- 00:16:52tends to focus heavily on attachment
- 00:16:54Theory so people will say basically
- 00:16:57limerance is a consequence
- 00:16:59of a a particular attachment style that
- 00:17:02never really sat right with me for a
- 00:17:04couple reasons so you know people will
- 00:17:06say Okay the reason you develop
- 00:17:07limerance is because you have an anxious
- 00:17:09attachment or something like that so
- 00:17:11that may be true that limerance has been
- 00:17:13associated with an anxious attachment
- 00:17:14but let's understand the statistics okay
- 00:17:17so 50% of people have secure attachment
- 00:17:1925% of people have anxious attachment
- 00:17:22which means the way that they relate to
- 00:17:24other people we have a whole section on
- 00:17:26attachment Theory and stuff so you can
- 00:17:27check that out if y'all want but
- 00:17:29basically they're they're very very
- 00:17:30concerned about uh abandonment they're
- 00:17:33concerned about that this person doesn't
- 00:17:34care for them they're they feel very
- 00:17:37very paranoid they don't feel secure in
- 00:17:38the relationship so they engage in a lot
- 00:17:41of behaviors to pull this person in so
- 00:17:44people with an anxious attachment style
- 00:17:46will utilize sexual activity as a form
- 00:17:50as a way to create intimacy so they'll
- 00:17:53they'll do things that sort of I'm
- 00:17:54afraid that you're not going to notice
- 00:17:56me or that you'll replace me with
- 00:17:57someone else or that I'm not worthy of
- 00:17:59your love so I'll do everything from cry
- 00:18:01to be passive aggressive to seduce you
- 00:18:04just so I I know that you're not going
- 00:18:06to leave like please don't leave so
- 00:18:08people with an anxious attachment style
- 00:18:10oftentimes did not have attentive enough
- 00:18:13caregivers or their caregiving was
- 00:18:16highly intermittent so I'm not I can't
- 00:18:19count on you to always be there but if I
- 00:18:21express myself in the right way if I
- 00:18:23start to cry a lot then I can evoke
- 00:18:27caring behavior from you so this is a
- 00:18:29child who can't feel confident that
- 00:18:32their parents will notice them love them
- 00:18:35unless the child does a lot of stuff to
- 00:18:38sort of get their attention and and that
- 00:18:40that's how I sort of feel secure I have
- 00:18:42to do something to feel loved that's
- 00:18:44sort of the key feature of an anxious
- 00:18:46attachment now 25% of people on the
- 00:18:48planet are anxiously attached but 25% of
- 00:18:51people are not liant right so even
- 00:18:54though anxious attachment is a component
- 00:18:56of it it is it is not sufficient to
- 00:18:59explain out of the one out of every four
- 00:19:01people that are anxiously attached those
- 00:19:04this 1 to 5% of people who are very very
- 00:19:06unlucky and to experience limerance
- 00:19:09there's a big gap between those two
- 00:19:10things 20% of people have an avoidant
- 00:19:12attachment style that may have some
- 00:19:14relation to limerance but probably not
- 00:19:16right so attachment theory in the way
- 00:19:18that you raised is certainly a part of
- 00:19:20it this is where I sort of put on my
- 00:19:22like you know this is just the way that
- 00:19:23I was trained so I you know at Harvard I
- 00:19:25was part of a the people that I
- 00:19:27gravitated toward towards were what I
- 00:19:29would call the Neuroscience philosophers
- 00:19:31so they're really really philosophical a
- 00:19:33couple Generations um uh before my time
- 00:19:36the chief of Psychiatry at Mass General
- 00:19:38was a Catholic priest so like these
- 00:19:40people like you know there's a big
- 00:19:41Tradition at the program that I trained
- 00:19:43at about being like really like
- 00:19:44philosophical and thinking about like
- 00:19:46why does illness happen and then also
- 00:19:49these people are neuroscientists so they
- 00:19:51sort of approach it from a couple of
- 00:19:52different angles and I think attachment
- 00:19:54theory is a great way to start but I
- 00:19:56sort of lean heavily into sort of this
- 00:19:58Neuroscience approach and if we look at
- 00:20:01limerance there are some features of it
- 00:20:03that are basically very similar to OCD
- 00:20:06so if we look at OCD OCD is obsessive
- 00:20:09compulsive disorder and is characterized
- 00:20:11by intrusive thoughts you don't want to
- 00:20:15think these things you don't like to
- 00:20:17think these things and you can't control
- 00:20:19thinking these things we also know that
- 00:20:22OCD is highly inheritable so there's
- 00:20:26like a large genetic compon oent to OCD
- 00:20:30so there's one really interesting
- 00:20:31specific attachment pattern which
- 00:20:34separates limerance from a standard
- 00:20:37anxious attachment so when we think
- 00:20:39about normal anxious attachment we're
- 00:20:40talking about your primary
- 00:20:43caregivers being unavailable to make you
- 00:20:46feel safe and loved part of the time so
- 00:20:49that there's some of the time if you cry
- 00:20:51loud enough they will show up and love
- 00:20:52you so in people with limerance there's
- 00:20:55a really interesting I don't know if
- 00:20:57it's Unique I don't know exactly how
- 00:20:58common it is we don't have a great data
- 00:20:59about this but there's one really
- 00:21:00interesting pattern it's that when your
- 00:21:03primary caregiver was unable to meet
- 00:21:07your emotional needs there is a third
- 00:21:11party who is distantly connected who for
- 00:21:14a brief period of time gives you
- 00:21:17everything that you want right so this
- 00:21:20can be something like oh you know my mom
- 00:21:22and dad I'm going through a breakup
- 00:21:24they're not around or I'm getting
- 00:21:26bullied at school and my a Flo visits
- 00:21:30from a different country and she shows
- 00:21:33up and for one day she takes me out she
- 00:21:36buys me ice cream she listens to my
- 00:21:38problems this third figure who's not
- 00:21:41part of my normal attachment system
- 00:21:44swoops in and provides me with
- 00:21:47everything that I wanted emotionally I'm
- 00:21:50usually a kid I usually idealize this
- 00:21:53person and here's what happens in
- 00:21:55limerance so I want yall to think about
- 00:21:57this okay so when we're a child we learn
- 00:22:00about the world we start to form
- 00:22:03expectations about the world and so if
- 00:22:05I'm living in an environment where my
- 00:22:07parents are intermittently available to
- 00:22:09love me and then this magical person
- 00:22:12shows up I have a brief interaction so I
- 00:22:14don't get to know them long enough to
- 00:22:17where the idealization can wear off I
- 00:22:20have this perfect interaction what does
- 00:22:22my brain learn my brain gravitates
- 00:22:24towards the things that fulfill my needs
- 00:22:27so in this moment my brain learns holy
- 00:22:29crap there are perfect people who exist
- 00:22:35out there and this person can swoop in
- 00:22:37and this person can make everything
- 00:22:39perfect for me and they can exist so one
- 00:22:41of the things when I'm working with
- 00:22:42people who experience limerance this is
- 00:22:44something I'll actually tunnel down into
- 00:22:47has there been a period of of time in
- 00:22:48your life where you were really
- 00:22:50struggling and we had this kind of flash
- 00:22:53of perfection from another human being
- 00:22:55who made everything okay and then once
- 00:22:58that happens to you I mean maybe it
- 00:23:00happened to you maybe it didn't we don't
- 00:23:01really know um once that happens to you
- 00:23:04it becomes Like Cocaine for your
- 00:23:06anxiously attached little kid inside
- 00:23:08right like this is the perfect thing and
- 00:23:10then your brain thinks oh my God we
- 00:23:11found it once let's start let's try to
- 00:23:14find it again and this is what we tend
- 00:23:16to see with Lance which is so confusing
- 00:23:18about it is that it you know it doesn't
- 00:23:20happen with people that you know well
- 00:23:22like that's the whole problem is that
- 00:23:23you have this whole life over here
- 00:23:25you're maybe happily married and then it
- 00:23:27strikes from another person who
- 00:23:30demonstrates something and I think
- 00:23:32what's going on is in your brain this
- 00:23:34old pattern that was really really
- 00:23:37important and affected your developing
- 00:23:39brain now gets triggered with this liant
- 00:23:42object who is distant and perfect so the
- 00:23:45really interesting thing we'll we'll get
- 00:23:46into this more a little bit later but is
- 00:23:48that as we get close to the Limer object
- 00:23:51sometimes when people experience
- 00:23:52limerance they'll start dating the
- 00:23:54person and as they date them the really
- 00:23:56weird thing will happen they're
- 00:23:58fantasies don't become a reality in fact
- 00:24:00there are all kinds of problems that
- 00:24:02arise and then the most screwed up thing
- 00:24:04is often times their limerance will
- 00:24:07transfer to a different person they'll
- 00:24:09wake up one day and the prior liant
- 00:24:11object has now become a frustratingly
- 00:24:14normal human being in this other person
- 00:24:17the limerance just shifts okay so that's
- 00:24:21and so that's kind of the attachment
- 00:24:22perspective I now want to talk about a
- 00:24:24couple of other features okay so
- 00:24:26attachment isn't really sufficient to
- 00:24:28describe limerance right so anxious
- 00:24:30attachment style ideal swooper let's
- 00:24:33call it that that's just one piece but
- 00:24:35not there a lot of people with anxious
- 00:24:37attachment style who don't have
- 00:24:39limerance so the other feature that
- 00:24:41we're going to talk about is something
- 00:24:42that's really I think something along
- 00:24:43the OCD Spectrum so if we look at
- 00:24:46limerance it's characterized by a lot of
- 00:24:48like I don't know how to say this but
- 00:24:50like the you know the nuts and bolts of
- 00:24:52the mental process of limerance are very
- 00:24:55similar to OCD and then there's another
- 00:24:57feature which is that they're divorced
- 00:24:59from reality right so this is also
- 00:25:01consistent with OCD so if we think about
- 00:25:03someone who is like a germaphobe like
- 00:25:04the amount of fear that the germs evokes
- 00:25:08like sure germs can make you sick but
- 00:25:10the whole point is that your mind does
- 00:25:12way more with a small stimulus than
- 00:25:16let's say a healthy mind would do that's
- 00:25:18the the nature of OCD okay the other
- 00:25:21really interesting thing is that if you
- 00:25:22look at limerance there's a lot of
- 00:25:24ritualization associated with it so
- 00:25:26people will do things
- 00:25:28uh they will engage in certain actions
- 00:25:31to try to like so it's ritualistic
- 00:25:33they'll do certain things to get this
- 00:25:35person's attention they'll dress a
- 00:25:36certain way oh this person talked to me
- 00:25:38on this day because I was wearing red so
- 00:25:40I'm going to start wearing red all the
- 00:25:42time there's a lot of ritualism
- 00:25:43associated with limerance and then the
- 00:25:45last thing is kind of the compulsive
- 00:25:47nature of it so we have to explain what
- 00:25:49a compulsion is okay so a compulsion is
- 00:25:52something that you do in response to an
- 00:25:55obsession and this is what's kind of
- 00:25:57confusing for a lot people a lot of
- 00:25:59people think that the
- 00:26:00compulsion has to be a physical Behavior
- 00:26:04so people will think okay if I don't um
- 00:26:06I'm afraid that the house is going to
- 00:26:08burn down so what I'm going to do is
- 00:26:09turn the stove on and off seven times to
- 00:26:12make sure the house doesn't burn down so
- 00:26:14I have the obsession this intrusive
- 00:26:16unwanted thought that the house is going
- 00:26:18to burn down and I have to do something
- 00:26:21in order to make that Obsession feel
- 00:26:24calm so sometimes that's a physical
- 00:26:26action but there are mental comp
- 00:26:28compulsions as well so a compulsion is
- 00:26:30something that we do to relieve the
- 00:26:33mental stress that we are experiencing
- 00:26:35in the moment so sometimes what people
- 00:26:37will do is I I worked with one patient
- 00:26:39who for example would say in her head
- 00:26:43all of my family will be okay all of my
- 00:26:45family will be home safe I will see all
- 00:26:47of my family tomorrow anytime one of her
- 00:26:51family members was traveling playing
- 00:26:53going back from work going to the
- 00:26:55grocery store if she became aware of it
- 00:26:58she would have to repeat those phrases
- 00:27:01in her head three times in a row and it
- 00:27:04was really really debilitating because
- 00:27:06like her mom is like hey do you want
- 00:27:07anything from the grocery store and then
- 00:27:08she has to stop studying and start going
- 00:27:11through the litany in her head so what
- 00:27:13do we see in in limerance we don't quite
- 00:27:16see that kind of compulsion but we do
- 00:27:18see a lot of mental reactions or mental
- 00:27:22responses to different kinds of stimuli
- 00:27:25or triggers I I don't think that
- 00:27:27necessarily these people have have OCD
- 00:27:29so this is where we also have to kind of
- 00:27:30understand something else about science
- 00:27:32so generally speaking human beings in
- 00:27:34terms of let's say let's say this is
- 00:27:36intrusive thoughts you know everyone has
- 00:27:38some unwanted thoughts but if we look at
- 00:27:40human beings there's a bell curve the
- 00:27:42people over here have very few unwant
- 00:27:45intrusive thoughts the people here have
- 00:27:47an average amount of intrusive thoughts
- 00:27:50the people over here have a more uh more
- 00:27:54than average or let's say greater
- 00:27:56greater amount of intrusive thoughts and
- 00:27:58people over here this group of people
- 00:28:01qualifies as OCD okay so I think
- 00:28:03basically what's going on with limerance
- 00:28:05is we have people who are over here so
- 00:28:07they have a genetic predisposition for
- 00:28:11something like OCD so they tend to have
- 00:28:13a more obsessional or intrusive thinking
- 00:28:15style but it's not so severe that there
- 00:28:19is OCD instead what happens is we have
- 00:28:22these genetic predis genetically
- 00:28:24predisposed people to OCD who then have
- 00:28:29some kind of attachment injury so they
- 00:28:31when you take a kid who may won't have
- 00:28:34OCD so if if they were more intrusive if
- 00:28:37they had stronger genetics maybe they
- 00:28:38would develop OCD but you take a kid who
- 00:28:41doesn't have OCD but is high on that
- 00:28:43spectrum and then you put them in an
- 00:28:45anxious attachment environment and those
- 00:28:48two things combine and limerance sort of
- 00:28:51emerges out of it then there are a
- 00:28:53couple of other features that I think
- 00:28:54sort of combin to make this pie
- 00:28:58limerance like this limerance stew it's
- 00:29:00not just OCD and anxious attachment
- 00:29:02there's more to it okay the next thing
- 00:29:04is a tendency for Fantasy as a coping
- 00:29:07mechanism so for example if you look at
- 00:29:09studies on like maladaptive daydreaming
- 00:29:13right so this is when people Daydream so
- 00:29:16much that they have difficulty
- 00:29:18functioning in life right sound familiar
- 00:29:21so we know that maladaptive daydreaming
- 00:29:23may be some feature is somewhat related
- 00:29:26to ADHD so your brain or your mind is
- 00:29:28not brain mind is not capable of
- 00:29:32restraining your attention away from the
- 00:29:34Daydream and focusing on what you should
- 00:29:37be focusing on you get caught up in the
- 00:29:39daydreaming the reason that we so
- 00:29:41there's the attentional component right
- 00:29:42and then you get lost in the Daydream
- 00:29:44for a while the other reason that ADHD
- 00:29:47may be related to maladaptive
- 00:29:49daydreaming is that we know that
- 00:29:50maladaptive daydreaming is an emotional
- 00:29:52coping mechanism so when I am and I'm
- 00:29:55sure youall have experienced something
- 00:29:56like this so in my case I used to be be
- 00:29:58bullied a lot in school and so I would
- 00:30:00have fantasies about standing up to my
- 00:30:02bully and then being able to fight them
- 00:30:05back and becoming a martial artist and
- 00:30:06this kind of stuff so we know that there
- 00:30:08is a normal human mechanism where when
- 00:30:10you have an emotional injury your brain
- 00:30:13can fantasize give you fantasies of
- 00:30:16Triumph or whatever you're missing to
- 00:30:19make you feel better right because then
- 00:30:20you feel good oh yeah it's going to be
- 00:30:22good you get that Justice boner where
- 00:30:23you're like yeah like I'm going to win
- 00:30:25so there's sort of a tendency for
- 00:30:27fantasy once again we talked about this
- 00:30:29on the OCD side but I think once again
- 00:30:31we're sort of on this bell curve so
- 00:30:33here's the ADHD bell curve and if you're
- 00:30:36over here you get you get diagnosed with
- 00:30:39ADHD but the limerance people are over
- 00:30:41here with a tendency to fantasize more
- 00:30:44than normal a tendency to use fantasy as
- 00:30:48an emotional coping mechanism right and
- 00:30:51an inability to
- 00:30:55control their attention
- 00:30:58right this is why you have those
- 00:30:59intrusive thoughts you can't stop
- 00:31:01thinking about them these thoughts come
- 00:31:03in you can't restrain your mind and so
- 00:31:06what I'm sort of envisioning with people
- 00:31:08who have limerance is that there's like
- 00:31:09a constellation of these things they're
- 00:31:11not necessarily ADHD enough to have ADHD
- 00:31:15they're not necessarily OCD enough to
- 00:31:17have OCD they're not necessarily like uh
- 00:31:20you know it's not just anxious
- 00:31:22attachment that's not sufficient to
- 00:31:23explain it so when you have a brain that
- 00:31:26has a tendency towards fantasy a
- 00:31:28tendency towards intrusive thinking
- 00:31:30compuls compulsive thinking and then you
- 00:31:33have an an attachment injury that may be
- 00:31:35that very specific kind where someone
- 00:31:37once shows up and saves the world for
- 00:31:40you for like an hour then all of these
- 00:31:43things kind of mix together into a stew
- 00:31:46that results in limerance and this is
- 00:31:48also why generally speaking it's on the
- 00:31:50rarer side right I think the amount of
- 00:31:52it is increasing very rapidly so it
- 00:31:55seems to be way more common we'll talk
- 00:31:56about that why that isn't in a couple
- 00:31:58minutes but you know this is why it's
- 00:32:00like you know on the rarer side the last
- 00:32:02thing that we have to talk about is
- 00:32:03there's absolutely a physiological
- 00:32:05component so this isn't nearly as sexy
- 00:32:07or interesting as the other pieces um
- 00:32:10but we there're just studies that show
- 00:32:12that there's there's a certain
- 00:32:13activation of the nervous system where
- 00:32:15people tend to be highly anxious they
- 00:32:18get a lot of sympathetic nervous system
- 00:32:20activity their fight or flight response
- 00:32:22tends to be really really hyperactive
- 00:32:25and it gets um it also gets soothed
- 00:32:28by their responses right so if someone
- 00:32:31actually responds to you then your
- 00:32:32nervous system really calms down but if
- 00:32:35they don't respond to you in the right
- 00:32:36way um they're actually features of
- 00:32:38things like nausea and like other kinds
- 00:32:41of uh you know activation I'm going to
- 00:32:44show youall there are studies that show
- 00:32:46that there's a lot of like bodily
- 00:32:48Sensations um GI upset shallow breathing
- 00:32:51nausea T headaches tachicardia these are
- 00:32:54all like so there's also like a nervous
- 00:32:56system component where it's not not just
- 00:32:58in your head your body
- 00:33:00responds by activating adrenaline
- 00:33:02activating cortisol and then that shapes
- 00:33:04your your thinking so this by the way is
- 00:33:07a case conceptualization for the
- 00:33:08development and maintenance of Li
- 00:33:10limerance okay we'll talk about this a
- 00:33:11little bit more at the end so that's
- 00:33:13what causes it I mean do we know that
- 00:33:15not really so that's why it's like taken
- 00:33:17me a couple of years right so like I
- 00:33:18read um ten of's book and great book by
- 00:33:21the way highly recommend it if y'all
- 00:33:22want to like it's just the the language
- 00:33:24in it is beautiful and then it took me a
- 00:33:25while to sort of try to figure out okay
- 00:33:27like what's going on here what's really
- 00:33:29like what are the features of this how
- 00:33:30can we understand this from a
- 00:33:31neuroscience perspective from a genetic
- 00:33:33perspective like what's really what is
- 00:33:35this person's experience and how can we
- 00:33:38break apart and really understand the
- 00:33:40building blocks of limerance by
- 00:33:44extrapolating from all of these other
- 00:33:46illnesses that we know a lot about and
- 00:33:49that's kind of what I think is going on
- 00:33:51okay now let's talk a little bit about
- 00:33:53the course of limerance so if you are
- 00:33:54stuck with limerance you know you you
- 00:33:57drew the short star or four of the short
- 00:33:59Stars you got a little bit of the OCD
- 00:34:00maybe a little bit of the ADHD maybe a
- 00:34:02little bit of the anxious attachment
- 00:34:04style a little bit of sympathetic
- 00:34:06nervous system
- 00:34:07hyperactivity what does this look like
- 00:34:09for people okay so once again what we're
- 00:34:12going to do is we're going to take a
- 00:34:14quick look at ten of's book because I
- 00:34:17think she does a great job of describing
- 00:34:18it the course of limerance is as follows
- 00:34:21the LI reactions begin begins usually at
- 00:34:24a point discernible at the time and
- 00:34:26later recalled so people
- 00:34:28Remember When The limerance Struck it
- 00:34:30was like an arrow to the heart you know
- 00:34:32like cupid hit me sexual attraction
- 00:34:35doesn't need to be experienced um but
- 00:34:38the the primary experience is usually
- 00:34:40like admiration like this person is
- 00:34:42amazing like you admire them you
- 00:34:44idealize them once limerance begins you
- 00:34:47find yourself thinking about the liant
- 00:34:48object and receiving considerable
- 00:34:51pleasure from the process so this is
- 00:34:53where that daydreaming component comes
- 00:34:54in okay there's an initial phase in
- 00:34:57which you buoyant elated and ironically
- 00:35:00for this appears to be the beginning of
- 00:35:03an essentially involuntary process free
- 00:35:06free not only from the restraints the
- 00:35:09usual restraints of gravity but
- 00:35:11emotionally unburdened you may be more
- 00:35:14uh uh you may be attracted to more than
- 00:35:15one potential liant object you feel that
- 00:35:17your response is a result of the liant
- 00:35:20objects fine qualities so in the first
- 00:35:22phase you feel really great and the
- 00:35:24reason I don't know if this kind of
- 00:35:26makes sense but the reason that you're
- 00:35:28so into them is because they are so
- 00:35:31amazing right so you think that because
- 00:35:33they are amazing you are into them it's
- 00:35:35not the other way around in your mind it
- 00:35:36is a
- 00:35:37justifiable Obsession a justifiable
- 00:35:40admiration now we get to the scary part
- 00:35:43with evidence of reciprocation from the
- 00:35:45Lian object which doesn't have to be a
- 00:35:46lot right so they can just say hi to you
- 00:35:48that's often times sufficient you enjoy
- 00:35:50a state of extreme pleasure even
- 00:35:53Euphoria your thoughts are mainly
- 00:35:55occupied with considering and
- 00:35:56reconsidering
- 00:35:58what you might may find attractive about
- 00:36:00them so you're replaying events in your
- 00:36:01head um and appreciating qualities in in
- 00:36:05yourself which you perceive as possibly
- 00:36:07having sparked interest in you on the
- 00:36:10part of the Lo so like you're you're
- 00:36:12really grateful oh I'm like really glad
- 00:36:14I I look great and red and that was the
- 00:36:16day that they said hi to me so you kind
- 00:36:18of start to have this obsessional
- 00:36:19thinking you're spending a lot of energy
- 00:36:21thinking about it your degree of
- 00:36:23involvement increases if obstacles are
- 00:36:25externally opposed imposed
- 00:36:28so this is kind of a really important
- 00:36:30segment as well where setbacks don't
- 00:36:33really make things harder right so a lot
- 00:36:35of people will say oh if this person
- 00:36:36doesn't text you back like just move on
- 00:36:39so one of the key features of limerance
- 00:36:41is when you get when you experience
- 00:36:44setbacks it doesn't push you away it
- 00:36:47only
- 00:36:49intensifies your attraction to the liant
- 00:36:51object usually with some degree of Doubt
- 00:36:54its intensity Rises further and you
- 00:36:56reach the stage at which the reaction is
- 00:36:58virtually impossible to dislodge either
- 00:37:01by your your own Act of will or by
- 00:37:04further evidence of the L's undesirable
- 00:37:06qualities um so what that basically
- 00:37:08means is like at this point you lose
- 00:37:10control the limmer Beast has taken over
- 00:37:13well the limmer beasts actually took
- 00:37:14over over
- 00:37:16here where you're just just thinking
- 00:37:18about them brings you so much pleasure
- 00:37:20and so this results in uh a doubt an
- 00:37:23increased intensity of limerance to
- 00:37:25undermine your former satisfaction ction
- 00:37:27with yourself you acquire new clothes
- 00:37:30change your hairstyle you're receptive
- 00:37:31to any suggestion by by which you might
- 00:37:34increase your desirability in the lant
- 00:37:36object's eyes that's why I kind of
- 00:37:37referred to it as the disintegration of
- 00:37:40the self so sometimes people will change
- 00:37:42but other times it's more of an
- 00:37:44experience of like I recognize that
- 00:37:46limerance is kind of nutty and I have a
- 00:37:48regular life over here but something
- 00:37:51about you begins to change your sense of
- 00:37:53selfworth can get caught up in the way
- 00:37:56that the liant object response to you
- 00:37:58okay so there are a couple of other
- 00:38:00features about the course of limerance
- 00:38:01like we already said it lasts about 1 to
- 00:38:037 years and then this is the really
- 00:38:05confusing thing so so far we've talked
- 00:38:08basically about the liant object as
- 00:38:10being distant from you and like not
- 00:38:12really interacting you with you so what
- 00:38:15happens when you actually start
- 00:38:17interacting when they start
- 00:38:18reciprocating or they don't reciprocate
- 00:38:20so how does liance evolve with the
- 00:38:22person so generally speaking you know
- 00:38:25you're striving for their affection
- 00:38:27sometimes s you get their affection you
- 00:38:28feel amazing if you don't get their
- 00:38:30affection or there's a lot of
- 00:38:31uncertainty you start obsessing a little
- 00:38:33bit more you think about them more you
- 00:38:35think about how can I get this person to
- 00:38:37notice me like me Etc unfortunately as
- 00:38:39limerance progresses it like never ends
- 00:38:43well so even if you get their attention
- 00:38:46often times the real version of them um
- 00:38:50and this is something that I I think is
- 00:38:51kind of confusing but um so this is
- 00:38:54what's kind of confusing if they do
- 00:38:56reciprocate at any point in the process
- 00:38:58if you perceive reciprocation your
- 00:39:00degree of involvement ceases to rise
- 00:39:04until of course you become uncertain
- 00:39:06again so this is what's like really
- 00:39:08confusing is that actually as you get
- 00:39:10closer to them the triggers for the
- 00:39:12limerance actually disappear you know
- 00:39:14and if you get close to them they no
- 00:39:16longer become this idealized object if
- 00:39:18you start dating them like then your
- 00:39:19limerance will transfer to someone else
- 00:39:22which is really perplexing and confusing
- 00:39:24so limerance sort of exists in your mind
- 00:39:27it exists and is triggered by
- 00:39:29uncertainty and distance the nature of
- 00:39:31limerance is that it is a longing for a
- 00:39:34fantasy it is not a reality you have a
- 00:39:37reality over here the limerance is over
- 00:39:39here and if you make the mistake of
- 00:39:42moving the limerance if all of your
- 00:39:44desires become true and they start to
- 00:39:46become a reality the limerance actually
- 00:39:48disappears and a new Limer object can
- 00:39:50form and so that's one of the ways that
- 00:39:52limerance can end the other thing that
- 00:39:54can happen is the person can reject you
- 00:39:56which is really painful but then often
- 00:39:58times we'll develop a new Limer object
- 00:40:01and then the third thing that can happen
- 00:40:02in liance is that we can sort of get a
- 00:40:04mixed response from the person so maybe
- 00:40:07we confess our feelings maybe we become
- 00:40:10friends I don't want to push this person
- 00:40:12away and the interesting thing about
- 00:40:14like keeping them at the friend distance
- 00:40:16is it can actually intensify the
- 00:40:17limerance right cuz like when this
- 00:40:20person when you're when you when you
- 00:40:21don't really confess to them they still
- 00:40:23remain idealized they still remain
- 00:40:26distant they still remain uh you know
- 00:40:29Fant they're capable of continuing to
- 00:40:32exist in your fantasies generally
- 00:40:34speaking though as people consummate the
- 00:40:37limerance in some way as they connect
- 00:40:39with other people as there's some degre
- 00:40:41degree of reciprocity usually the most
- 00:40:44common experience for limerance is that
- 00:40:46it's disappointing right so even if you
- 00:40:48move in the right direction it doesn't
- 00:40:50satisfy you and once again the reason
- 00:40:52for that is because limerance is not
- 00:40:53like a real thing it is a fantasy that
- 00:40:56is constructed in your mind and so then
- 00:40:58the question becomes what do we do about
- 00:41:00it and this is where like I think it's
- 00:41:01really useful to think about these
- 00:41:03components of limerance right so what
- 00:41:05creates it so you know if there's like a
- 00:41:08genetic predisposition for OCD there's
- 00:41:10not really a whole lot you can do about
- 00:41:12that so that's okay but we can also use
- 00:41:14some of these like approaches to OCD um
- 00:41:17we can use some of these approaches to
- 00:41:19ADHD some of these approaches to
- 00:41:20sympathetic nervous system activity and
- 00:41:22attachment Theory to sort of figure out
- 00:41:25how to approach this so a lot of IST
- 00:41:27will believe that basically it's an
- 00:41:29attachment injury right it's attachment
- 00:41:31base so if you heal your anxious
- 00:41:33attachment style which can be done
- 00:41:35through therapy which can be done
- 00:41:36through stable relationships that will
- 00:41:38be a big part of it um so the usually
- 00:41:41the way that that I start this is to
- 00:41:43track back to this origin story so think
- 00:41:46about when did I first start to develop
- 00:41:49this idea that these fantastic
- 00:41:51relationships with these idealized
- 00:41:53people exist and that's why I gave you
- 00:41:55all that very specific scenario you know
- 00:41:57H has there been a time in your life
- 00:41:59where you felt unloved and someone
- 00:42:02swooped in and made everything perfect
- 00:42:04for you how did you feel at that time
- 00:42:07you know like that that kind of stuff
- 00:42:09like to really just sort of process that
- 00:42:10think about it think about how that maps
- 00:42:12on now think about the lessons that you
- 00:42:14learned what conclusions did you form
- 00:42:17through those experiences how do you
- 00:42:19carry those in the present that often
- 00:42:20times you need to work with a therapist
- 00:42:21to really do that but that's kind of the
- 00:42:23direction of what I do with people when
- 00:42:24I work with them also related to that is
- 00:42:26to think a little bit about what were
- 00:42:28your unmet needs at that time and you
- 00:42:31may notice that there is a correlation
- 00:42:33between those core unmet needs and the
- 00:42:36intensity of limerance so remember that
- 00:42:39limerance is triggered by often times
- 00:42:42something within you either a sense that
- 00:42:44you're not good enough a desire for
- 00:42:46admiration a desire to you know be
- 00:42:49worthy of someone there's all kinds of
- 00:42:51stuff within you that can trigger the
- 00:42:53limerance so it helps to kind of look
- 00:42:55back at that original episode and try to
- 00:42:58think about okay what were the needs
- 00:43:00that were not met within me because
- 00:43:02remember that limerance is triggered by
- 00:43:04some kind of unmet need within you right
- 00:43:07that's why we have this fantasy coping
- 00:43:09mechanism to make those emotional needs
- 00:43:11kind of calm down um so so really think
- 00:43:14about okay what is the thing that is
- 00:43:16triggering the limerance what is it in
- 00:43:18me that feels unfulfilled incomplete or
- 00:43:21unmet once you understand what that
- 00:43:23thing is hopefully you can get the
- 00:43:25process of metabolizing it digesting it
- 00:43:27Etc now the other thing that that I I
- 00:43:29think is very helpful is to really take
- 00:43:31a reality-based approach so this is more
- 00:43:34of like the the cognitive aspect of it
- 00:43:36but to notice your mental gymnastics so
- 00:43:39what does my mind perceive from this
- 00:43:42person and what literally happened so I
- 00:43:45think a really good exercise for this is
- 00:43:47like imagine that you are an alien
- 00:43:49observing these
- 00:43:50interactions what would the alien infer
- 00:43:54about what the significance of these
- 00:43:56interactions is when someone nods at you
- 00:43:58in the hallway does that mean that
- 00:44:00they're deeply in love with you no right
- 00:44:03so this is the nature of limerance this
- 00:44:04is the challenge with limerance is that
- 00:44:05there's a lot of cognitive reactions a
- 00:44:08lot of intrusive thinking a lot of
- 00:44:10distortions and what we really want to
- 00:44:12start doing is noticing the
- 00:44:16discrepancy between what the reality is
- 00:44:19and everything that my mind attaches to
- 00:44:21it so this is where we have we have a
- 00:44:24membership's lecture on something in the
- 00:44:26yogic uh tradition called Kisha so
- 00:44:28kishta is all of the coloring that our
- 00:44:32mind attaches to experiences and if you
- 00:44:36really what's really wild about this
- 00:44:38y'all can go watch that that lecture if
- 00:44:39you want but like you know by the end of
- 00:44:41it we were really able to understand how
- 00:44:44most of your experiences in life are
- 00:44:48actually shaped by what you add to them
- 00:44:51so when your boss says hey I have some
- 00:44:54constructive feedback for you and we
- 00:44:56feel terrible it doesn't mean that we're
- 00:44:58doing a terrible job we may be doing a
- 00:45:01great job and our boss wants to see us
- 00:45:03do a better job that's why they give us
- 00:45:05constructive feedback it's a positive
- 00:45:07thing it's one opportunity for growth it
- 00:45:10demonstrates caring on the part of the
- 00:45:12boss but that's not how we perceive it
- 00:45:14so to really start to Tunnel apart and
- 00:45:17tease apart you know what is the reality
- 00:45:19of the situation what is my mind adding
- 00:45:21to the equation and so as we sort of
- 00:45:23take a more reality based approach what
- 00:45:25we'll discover is there's often times
- 00:45:26some kind of negative thing that the
- 00:45:29limerance is protecting us against right
- 00:45:31so I don't know if this kind of you all
- 00:45:33kind of remember but like here's the
- 00:45:35basic mechanism okay right we have unmet
- 00:45:38need okay we have our parent and then we
- 00:45:41have our swooper who comes in and then
- 00:45:43makes this better so then what happens
- 00:45:45is our brain develops this idea that
- 00:45:48kind of like a programming if unmet need
- 00:45:51for swooper right look look for this
- 00:45:54perfect superhero kind of person who's
- 00:45:57going to fix everything in our life so
- 00:45:59the unmet need is what triggers the
- 00:46:01limerance okay now remember that the key
- 00:46:03thing here is that when we have this
- 00:46:05unmet need and we have this fantasy
- 00:46:08remember fantasy is an emotional coping
- 00:46:10mechanism that decreases our negative
- 00:46:13emotion right so the fantasy makes the
- 00:46:15negative emotion go away so unmet need
- 00:46:18equals negative emotion then we have our
- 00:46:21fantasy which goes and knocks this out
- 00:46:25and that's why when our Fant FY becomes
- 00:46:27a reality the reality doesn't knock out
- 00:46:30the negative emotion right so the
- 00:46:31reality doesn't actually fix the problem
- 00:46:33because now our the fantasy is the
- 00:46:36mental construction the Daydream that
- 00:46:39soothes the negative emotion so what we
- 00:46:42need to do then is go to this unmet need
- 00:46:45and really understand what is it that
- 00:46:46we're afraid of what's the problem here
- 00:46:48and often times what people who experien
- 00:46:51Lim will have is they'll have some sense
- 00:46:54of like rejection that they're
- 00:46:56terrifying of and this is why all this
- 00:46:58uncertainty around the Lian starts to
- 00:47:00come up where like I'm terrified they're
- 00:47:02going to reject me I'm terrified they're
- 00:47:03going to abandon me if they reject you
- 00:47:05and if they abandon you and that need
- 00:47:08goes unmet what will happen what is this
- 00:47:13so terrible thing that your mind is so
- 00:47:15terrified of that it'll create all of
- 00:47:18these me mental gymnastics so this
- 00:47:20Central fear usually must be faced the
- 00:47:24cool thing is once you face it you'll
- 00:47:26realize that this C this Central fear
- 00:47:29especially if you've built a normal life
- 00:47:31over here is not really applicable right
- 00:47:34so this Central fear that you still
- 00:47:36primitively are so scared of is often
- 00:47:39times traumatic in nature so if youall
- 00:47:41want to understand how to digest these
- 00:47:43kinds of things we talk about it from
- 00:47:44the yogic perspective and Dr K's guide
- 00:47:46to trauma so this is the key thing is
- 00:47:48that the fear is not doesn't exist in
- 00:47:51your regular life it's something that
- 00:47:52you carry with you as a traumatic injury
- 00:47:55the last thing um not the last thing the
- 00:47:58next thing is your sympathetic nervous
- 00:47:59system needs to be re-calibrated so what
- 00:48:02we want to do is do traditional mindbody
- 00:48:05practices to tone down our sympathetic
- 00:48:08nervous tone okay so what does that mean
- 00:48:11um so what this sort of means is that
- 00:48:14you know if our if our there's lots of
- 00:48:16studies that show that yoga taichi
- 00:48:18breathing exercises all this stuff is
- 00:48:20going to calm down your sympathetic
- 00:48:23nervous system as your adrenaline
- 00:48:25cortisol and blood pressure as all of
- 00:48:28these things start to drop from these
- 00:48:30practices this will alter the way that
- 00:48:33your brain functions right because
- 00:48:35adrenaline and cortisol travel to the
- 00:48:37brain and make us think rapid intrusive
- 00:48:41thoughts that's like literally what
- 00:48:42adrenaline and cortisol do so I want
- 00:48:44youall to think about this for a second
- 00:48:45when your adrenaline is pumping you
- 00:48:47can't control your thinking and that's
- 00:48:48the way that it's supposed to be so when
- 00:48:50adrenaline is pumping through our brain
- 00:48:52and I'm being attacked by a pack of wild
- 00:48:53hyenas I'm going to be thinking about
- 00:48:55the wild hyenas there's nothing I can
- 00:48:57think about and that's like an
- 00:48:58evolutionary feature it's not I don't
- 00:48:59want to be worrying about what I'm
- 00:49:01making for dinner that night if I'm
- 00:49:02being attacked by a pack of wild hyenas
- 00:49:04so you need to work on a on a nervous
- 00:49:06system level as well and this is what I
- 00:49:08love about being like a medical doctor
- 00:49:09is that you know when I work with my
- 00:49:11patients I I notice that now a lot of
- 00:49:13psychologists will do meditation and
- 00:49:15things like that but they're just not
- 00:49:16trained in physiology in the same way
- 00:49:18that we are so I lean heavily into the
- 00:49:19stuff I see a lot of great stuff a lot
- 00:49:22of great outcomes because you're
- 00:49:23altering the the nervous system
- 00:49:26contribution into this stuff and
- 00:49:27thankfully like this is something that
- 00:49:28now all psychologists are learning in
- 00:49:30terms of mindfulness techniques and
- 00:49:31stuff so it's great um you can also work
- 00:49:33with a therapist so the the case study
- 00:49:35that I showed yall which I'm going to
- 00:49:36flash to real quick um you know so
- 00:49:38here's a a paper that shows that
- 00:49:40treatment of limerance using a cognitive
- 00:49:42behavioral approach a case study this is
- 00:49:44in the open uh This Is An Open Access
- 00:49:46paper thankfully so you guys can all get
- 00:49:48it but this paper is great um I'm not
- 00:49:51going to go over this I think it's a bit
- 00:49:52so I'm not going to go over all this
- 00:49:53y'all can read this if you want to but
- 00:49:54this is a great case study that really
- 00:49:56goes go through like the process of
- 00:49:58limerance and how how this person goes
- 00:50:01about kind of treating it okay so you
- 00:50:03can absolutely work with a a uh
- 00:50:05therapist or psychiatrist and and so
- 00:50:07that's kind of how we deal with liance
- 00:50:09right so I I think um you can absolutely
- 00:50:11get treatment but we got to understand
- 00:50:12that it is this sudden limmer Beast
- 00:50:14Invasion of intrusive thoughts and
- 00:50:16Fantasies and daydreaming and all these
- 00:50:18kind of coping mechanisms and it it
- 00:50:21strikes people and we don't know exactly
- 00:50:23why it strikes people there isn't really
- 00:50:24great data about it but if this is
- 00:50:26something that you struggle with
- 00:50:27hopefully this will give you some
- 00:50:29pathway of at least understanding and
- 00:50:31dealing with it now that I've said all
- 00:50:33that I'm about to torpedo everything
- 00:50:35that I just
- 00:50:36said so bad I should just stop
- 00:50:40now oh my God okay so last thing that
- 00:50:43I'm going to say is really going to mess
- 00:50:45everybody up and it's probably something
- 00:50:47that is better left unset but I got to
- 00:50:49say it so the other thing the other way
- 00:50:51that I understand limerance actually
- 00:50:52this is good to say so there there are
- 00:50:54studies that also show that acceptance
- 00:50:57of the fact that you have limerance and
- 00:50:59just to say okay I have limerance it
- 00:51:01doesn't mean that it's real this is just
- 00:51:03a struggle that I have I have these
- 00:51:05unmet emotional needs I have these
- 00:51:07traumatic upbringing experiences this is
- 00:51:09just how things are so studies show that
- 00:51:12just accepting that you have this
- 00:51:14problem actually helps disolve the
- 00:51:17problem okay so if I don't accept that
- 00:51:20limerance is a problem that I have what
- 00:51:23I'm going to be stuck in is believing
- 00:51:27that the limerance is real and that if
- 00:51:29this person if I can get this person to
- 00:51:30notice me then I will be happy forever
- 00:51:33but we know from studies on the course
- 00:51:35of limerance that that doesn't happen so
- 00:51:37until you know your liant you are
- 00:51:40chasing the liant object as a source of
- 00:51:44Salvation buoyancy everything so the
- 00:51:47moment that you accept chasing this
- 00:51:50liant object will never it's a fantasy
- 00:51:53there's it's never going to it can't be
- 00:51:55a reality because I man facture it in my
- 00:51:57mind the moment that you do that it the
- 00:52:00the limmer Beast loses power over you
- 00:52:02right because then you stop trying to
- 00:52:04make the fantasy a reality and when you
- 00:52:06try to make that fantasy a reality
- 00:52:08that's where a lot of the depression and
- 00:52:10anxiety seep in so the last crazy thing
- 00:52:11that I'm going to say is that you know
- 00:52:13there's a part of me in the back of my
- 00:52:14mind that wonders whether the reason we
- 00:52:17have limerance could be a very
- 00:52:19complicated Neuroscience genetic
- 00:52:22predisposition circle jerk Harvard
- 00:52:25whatever the Dr K of ADHD and OCD
- 00:52:29and attachment injury and sympathetic
- 00:52:31nervous system and all this scientific
- 00:52:33BS that sounds great but in in the Deep
- 00:52:37bottom of my heart I wonder whether
- 00:52:38limerance is a past life karmic
- 00:52:41connection that in a past life you were
- 00:52:44attached to this person in a past life
- 00:52:46you loved this person and the ache that
- 00:52:49you have is not about this life it is an
- 00:52:53echo of love and connection that kind of
- 00:52:56true love kind of crap that you may even
- 00:52:59have in this life which I unfortunately
- 00:53:01believe in I believe in true love and
- 00:53:03that something about that experience
- 00:53:06that that love conquers all and is so
- 00:53:09Transcendent in the Hindu tradition we
- 00:53:11believe that when you get married you
- 00:53:13buy yourself relationships for the next
- 00:53:15seven lifetimes six or seven I'm not
- 00:53:18quite sure I don't know if they count
- 00:53:19this one or it's seven more I don't know
- 00:53:20so there's this idea you know that that
- 00:53:22in these karmic religions that there's
- 00:53:24some aspect of you that doesn't end with
- 00:53:27death that carries forward that we have
- 00:53:30these karmic bonds with people and I
- 00:53:32wonder whether liance is just one of the
- 00:53:34manifestations of that it's not some
- 00:53:37super complicated genetic whatever the f
- 00:53:39okay now the key thing to understand is
- 00:53:41that even if that's true it doesn't mean
- 00:53:44that this person is that for you in this
- 00:53:46life right that is a memory it is an
- 00:53:49echo of times F past it is a longing for
- 00:53:53an ex doesn't mean that yall are good
- 00:53:55together and so on the one hand I
- 00:53:57hesitate to share that because I I I
- 00:53:59don't want that to feed your limerance
- 00:54:01like oh my God I do K this person is my
- 00:54:05limitate object and you are telling me
- 00:54:06that is Love from a past life this means
- 00:54:09that I need to chase it oh my God I'm
- 00:54:12going don't I'm actually saying the
- 00:54:14opposite right that this thing is over
- 00:54:16now but the reason there's a good reason
- 00:54:19you have those feelings you're not crazy
- 00:54:22that this is coming from somewhere if
- 00:54:24you're scientifically oriented you can
- 00:54:26use my Dr K extrapolated OCD ADHD
- 00:54:30daydreaming empathic I mean uh uh
- 00:54:33attachment injury sympathetic nervous
- 00:54:34system hyperactivation you can use that
- 00:54:37model if you believe in science and if
- 00:54:39you believe in love you can use the
- 00:54:40karmic model but just because there's a
- 00:54:43karmic connection does not mean that it
- 00:54:45needs to be lived in this life so what
- 00:54:47I'd say is just even if you believe that
- 00:54:49say like okay this is just a memory of
- 00:54:51things past I will accept it and let it
- 00:54:53go and studies show that once again
- 00:54:55acceptance will help you I hope I helped
- 00:54:58I hope I didn't torpedo everything right
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