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we all have
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narratives pieces of fiction stories
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about ourselves other people in our
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lives the environment our society
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culture personal history General history
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our nation we
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surrounded by an Ambiance of dozens of
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stories and we comport
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ourselves we direct our conduct we
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experience
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reality everything subjective and
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objective is mediated via these
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narratives these story boards determine
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not only who we are but also how we
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behave what we think how we
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emote narratives are very powerful
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organizing structural
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principles but as usual
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as usual with patients with cluster B
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personality disorders there's a problem
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with the
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narrative whereas each and every one of
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us has a dominant narrative at any given
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time narratives can change but at any
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given time regarding a specific issue a
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specific person a specific situation a
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specific circumstance we have a dominant
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narrative and that narrative dictates
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everything
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organizes makes sense of life imbus it
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with meaning and directs us guides us
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provides purpose aims and goals one
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narrative at a
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time people would not with cluster B
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personality disorders have multiple
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simultaneous
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narratives they have if you wish a
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fragmented narrative landscape
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and a propo fragmented my name is s
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vaknin I am a professor of Clinical
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Psychology and the author about the
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author of the first book about
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narcissistic abuse ever malignant
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self-love narcissism Revisited and with
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this particular narrative let's delve
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right in Deep
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dive people with
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disorganized erratic personalities
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also known as cluster B
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personalities personality disorders the
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very word disorder tells you everything
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you need to know these people create
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simultaneous but mutually exclusive
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narratives of Their Lives why do they do
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that why healthy normal people have a
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single dominant narrative at any given
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time and find it more than adequate more
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than sufficient while people with
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cluster B personality disorders need to
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come up with a plethora with a
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multiplicity of narratives and what's
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worse these narratives are incompatible
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they don't sit well together
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ironically the reason cluster B
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disordered people do that is because
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they experience constantly dis
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mons personality disorders especially
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cluster B personality disorders are
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forms of an inner battle an internal
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conflict which is
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unresolvable in any normal way in any
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healthy way because the roots and
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foundations of this conflict this
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internal conflict are pathological
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they're not embedded actually in
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reality so what happens is whenever
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The Narcissist or the borderline the
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psychopath or the hisonic and even I
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would add the schizoid and schizoo and
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the paranoid whenever they feel torn
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apart by internal conflict what they do
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they come up with multiple narratives
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each narrative caters to a horn of the
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Dilemma each narrative caters to one of
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the Waring factions each narrative
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adheres to and is intended to somehow
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mitigate and amarate the conflict and
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the anxiety so each each narrative
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aderes to a specific combatant a
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specific participants participant in the
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conflict so people with cluster B
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personality disorders and other
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personality disorders I've mentioned
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they constantly generate narratives they
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are like The Neverending Story they they
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constantly come up with narratives
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constantly come up with plots and
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storylines and conspiracies and so on so
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forth all of these are intended to make
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sense of the feeling of dissonant
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conflict within them if you have three
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narratives and each of these narratives
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takes care of another element in the
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conflict another side or party to the
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conflict then somehow perhaps you can
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restore inner piece equilibrium and
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homeostasis but these narratives as I've
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said represent different sides of a
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conflict the consequences that these
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narratives don't fit together they tend
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to negate each other contradict each
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other undermine each other challenge
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each other and paradoxically what
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happens is the the narratives are
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intended to somehow control the internal
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conflict somehow ameliorate it mitigate
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it reduce it reframe it do something
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about it and yet the narratives
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themselves generate secondary conflicts
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the narratives themselves Clash the
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narratives themselves break the
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personality even further
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fragmented as so many hand
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grenades and
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so while originally they meant to manage
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dissonance they actually Ed to it and
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generate generate new clashes new
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skirmishes new dissonances both
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internal and external with reality
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because many of these narratives are
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counterfactual they're not grounded they
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don't derive from any observation of
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facts from any theorizing about the
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external World many of these people
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people with clust Tob personality
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disorders are unable to gauge and
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appraise reality
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correctly or they are unable to
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recognize the externality and
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separateness of other people they're
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unable to other them othering failure
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and so these narratives are divorced
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from reality and external and internal
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and they clash with reality external and
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internal and this adds to the tension
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the stress and the anxiety rather than
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reduce them these narratives are not
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anxiolytic on the very contrary they
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generate depression anxiety acting out
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aggression externalized and
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internalized and they may lead
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ultimately to substance abuse and other
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forms of self-destructiveness this
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narrative
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are the equivalent of self States in my
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work and the equivalent equivalent of
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multiple personalities in the old
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conception of dissociative identity
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disorders it's there are kind these
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narratives are kind of sub personalities
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they have a life of their own they are
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like ego States or self States they have
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a life of their own they have their own
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Dynamics they have a beginning and an
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end they have a history and they
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generate
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internal processes
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psychodynamics that lead to outcomes
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behavioral outcomes emotional outcomes
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cognitive outcomes and so these
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narratives are not passive they are
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proactive Dynamic entities you can
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imagine the internal mess and chaos and
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Havoc that this creates are magedon
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personified
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examples of such
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narratives I am not disordered I am
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perfectly normal that's a narrative or I
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have a loving family or I'm a good
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person or I'm a bad person I'm a
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psychopath or I'm promiscuous or I'm
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capable of great love these are all
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narratives what happens when these
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narratives are undermined by reality to
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such an extent then that no amount of
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filtering and no number of
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membranes and no form of active
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dissociation and denial
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work reality is too much intrudes
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invades and overwhelms The Narrative The
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Narrative collapses what happens when
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this what happens then what's the next
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step when these narratives collapse
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the disordered the personality
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disordered
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person allocates the narratives to other
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people he kind kind of gets rid of them
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by projecting them or actually more
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precisely he uses or she uses projective
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identification the person with
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personality disorder the patient with
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personality disorder has multiple
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narratives they're counterfactual
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they're not grounded in reality and they
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often collapse
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under their own weight they are so
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fictional so imaginary so
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exaggerated that sooner or later they
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crumble in the face of evidence or owing
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to some interaction with someone this is
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known as narcissistic
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modification sooner or later these
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narratives
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collapse disintegrate reduce to
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dust what the personality disordered
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person does he takes these narratives
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and he forces them on people around him
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he's nearest he's dearest his closest
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his family Circle his friends his
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colleagues you name it he forces these
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narratives on other people in his Ambit
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in his
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environment but it not only attributes
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these narratives to these people he not
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only projects these narratives onto
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these people he coerces them to behave
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according to the narrative he blackmails
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them he threatens them he tortures them
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he abuses them he cajs them he begs them
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he he would do anything for these people
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to adopt the discarded narratives and
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act accordingly as if they were actors
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or actresses in some theater production
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or some
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movie The Narcissist shared fantasy is
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exactly such an example it is the
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outcome of a collapse of a narrative
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there's a collapse narrative and then
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what the narcissist does he imposes this
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collapse narrative on a potential
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intimate partner and she is supposed to
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conform the intimate partner is supposed
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to comply with a narrative imposed on on
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her or on
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him the intimate partners of the
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narcissist are supposed to
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become become elements in the script in
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the narrative they are supposed to
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fictionalize themselves to render
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themselves abstract entities plot
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lines so the role of these people these
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actors is to validate the reality of the
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narratives and this is of course the
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same function like narcissistic suppli
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in narcissistic personality disorder
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external validation external validation
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which allows for internal regulation
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anaris is harvests or Garners Supply
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attention admiration adulation being
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feared whatever attention mainly he
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Garners it he harvests
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it and then he uses it as input as
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Supply as fuel as
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feedback to towards the in the
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maintenance of an internal
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homeostatic uh environment in
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equilibrium it's the same with the
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narratives the narratives that have
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failed when the when the person with
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personality disorder has experienced a
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collapse or a failure of a narrative he
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then attributes projects The Narrative
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into someone in his immediate immediate
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envir environs so someone like a child
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or a spouse or a colleague or a friend
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and so on he he imposes or superimposes
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the narrative on that person he forces
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or coerces that person to behave
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according to the narrative that is
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projective
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identification and the aim of all this
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the purpose of all this convoluted and
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elaborate
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mechanism is to reestablish The
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Narrative to revalidate the
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narrative to prove that the narrative is
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still
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functional still applies still
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useful
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so the
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actors
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reenact The Narrative
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replayed in a way that allows the
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personality disordered person to regain
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trust in the Fidelity authenticity
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validity and applicability of the
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narrative now the
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actors react badly to this the vast
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majority of actors react badly even
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actors who have willingly submitted to a
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a fantasy a shared fantasy or a
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narrative even actors who sought it
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actively wanted to fit in wanted to
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conform wanted to join the cult you know
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even such actors in due time feel the
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honorous
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outcomes of living someone else's
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life of having to cater to someone
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else's need needs ceaselessly of having
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to suspend one's
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existence and of having to pretend and
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to fake most of the time these are
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demands which are which are excruciating
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so the actors gradually fall
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apart then the presence of the person
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with personality
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disorder is
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burdensome becomes
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intolerable
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suffocating um the imposition of the
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narratives by the personality disordered
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person is a form of
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strangulation mental
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asphixiation the denial of
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Liberty uh absconding with the person's
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core identity emptying the person
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voiding and negating the actor within
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the projected sh sh fantasy or narrative
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so the people who are sucked into the
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black hole that is the narcissist or the
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Bine sucked into this narrative
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management system the people who
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become um actors and actresses in a
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script not of their making not of their
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doing the people who are coerced into
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existing in someone else's narrative and
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fantasy and storyboard and movie and
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theater play the people who are denuded
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of autonomy personal autonomy
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Independence Agency the capability to
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make decisions and choices which are
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independent of the personality
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disordered Focus or
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Center these people ultimately begin to
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dissociate because it's a very very
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traumatic experience
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self-denial self self- negation self
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viation self
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Erasure just in order to become a
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figment an element in someone else's
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story that's a harrowing experience and
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it leads to trauma and Trauma the
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defense against trauma one of the
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defenses is
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dissociation
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depersonalization derealization within
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the fantasy within the narrative this is
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not happening to me I am here in body
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but not in mind or this is not real it's
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all make belief or I completely forget
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everything the minute it happens these
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are all Amnesia these are all diso
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creative defenses because these
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actors are
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misperceived as internal objects
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especially by narcissist and they're
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misperceived as internal objects
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offloading the narratives onto these
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people unburdens the disordered person
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remember the sequence there's a
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narrative and suddenly The Narrative
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fails fails for some reason collapses
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crumbles at that point The Narrative
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generates enormous enormous
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dissonance enormous injury enormous
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mortification and so the narcissist for
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example let's take a narcissist as an
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example but it applies to many other
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personality disorders The Narcissist has
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to reconstrue recreate reconstruct the
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narrative and he asks someone else to do
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it for him he coarses someone someone
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else to do it for him by inducting that
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person introducing this person into a
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fantasy or a narrative and now this
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person validates the narrative and the
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fantasy in the case of a narcissist via
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narcissistic Supply but validates the
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narrative validates the fantasy suddenly
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feels
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real and because that person is
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perceived as internal not
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external then Nar convinces himself that
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he is the one who has validated and
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reestablished the
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narrative that caters that appeals to
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his sense of omnipotence on the other
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hand if the narrative is ego distonic in
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other other words if the narcissist for
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example feels uncomfortable with the
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narrative for some
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reason that someone else now is in
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possession of the narrative that someone
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else now and acts The Narrative that
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someone else now is settled settled and
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burdened with the narrative relieves The
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Narcissist this narrative that has
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caused the narcissist discomfort despair
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dissociation depression this narrative
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is
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gone it belongs to someone else now and
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because that someone else is an internal
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object The Narcissist still maintain
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maintains control and possession of the
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narrative without incurring the cost the
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actions of the
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actors the steps that the agents
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take are owned by The Narcissist because
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these people are internal objects they
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figments of the narcissist mind they
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live in the narcissist internal space so
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whatever they
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do within the narrative is actually p by
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the narcissist is coming from the inside
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as his or her own
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actions so the these actions are owned
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by the disordered person but without the
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emotional cost without the attendant
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risks without the adverse consequences
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it's like experiencing The Narrative by
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proxy the people who are now burdened
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with the narrative the people who are
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who have now the sole Authority over the
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narrative not Authority but so
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responsibility for the narrative these
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people will suffer the
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consequences they will carry the
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risks and they will experience the
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discomfort and displeasure that may
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arise from The Narrative not the
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narcissist and yet these people are
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nothing but internal objects so the
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narcissist still owns them still still
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controls the whole situation he is the
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sole Authority is is like God like God
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who plays with elements in in his
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creation it's exactly like the
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relationship between God and Humanity
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Humanity are agents that enact the
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Divine narrative and yet it is not God
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who has to die it is not God who has to
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suffer in childbirth it is not God who
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is tempted who is sad who is depressed
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who commits suicide it's not God
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while whatever happens to humanity is
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The Narrative of God and happens within
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the Godly realm happens within the
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Divinity the consequences of the
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narrative are born by Humanity not by
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God this is exactly the narcissist
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perception when the actors at some point
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Rebel when they Rebel when they regain
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Independence and agency and personal
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autonomy The Narcissist or
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the person with personality disorder
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becomes infuriated feels threatened
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converts these people who have defied
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him and walked away converts them into
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the secetary object the disordered
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person experiences narcissistic
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mortification and
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then having been abandoned and rejected
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by his agents by his long arms
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by the actors that were supposed to take
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over the
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narratives and reenact them and activate
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them
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dynamically when there's this kind of
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massive
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abandonment the disordered person adopts
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one of two strategies he tries or
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attempts to hover these
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people to hover
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them and to
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coopt any anyone new in their
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lives so the person with personality
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disorder would try to caj and persuade
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and convince and charm and would try
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anything to get the actor of the
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narrative back and if the actor the
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actor of the narrative has another new
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person in his or her
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life the person with personality
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disorder will try to befriend them try
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to create a coalition with who try to
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insinuate
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himself into that person's life who try
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to intrude take over assimilate somehow
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the actor and the new people in the
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actor's life this is one strategy Mega
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overy if you wish and the second
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strategy um should this strategy fail
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the second strategy is try to destroy
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the frustrating object the
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actor destroy her destroy her or him
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physically destroy the reputation
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destroy their lives interfere intervene
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undermine and sabotage etc
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etc so
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when the narcissist has allocated a
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narrative to you when he has made you an
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integral part of his Shar fantasy when a
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the personality disordered person a
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paranoid psychopath uh skitto borderline
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histrionic when someone with a
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personality disorder has allocated The
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Narrative to
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you has made you in charge the manager
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the director of The
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Narrative you can't walk
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away you're not allowed to walk away
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unless you're being devalued and
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discarded but you're not allowed to have
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agency personal autonomy independent
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decision making you're not allowed to
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make choices you are cap you're captive
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captive within the narrative you're
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hostage The Narrative hijacks you and if
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you do exit the narrative and if you do
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abandon the narrative or sabotage The
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Narrative or challenge it or undermine
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it or transform it or reframe it or just
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walk away and break up or whatever you
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become an
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enemy and the the
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the perpetrator of the narrative the
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instigator of the narrative the author
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of The Narrative that has been imposed
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on you tries to hover you tries to get
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you back to your old position and old
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role and if there's baggage with you new
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people in your life you just got married
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you have children I don't know what the
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narcissist or the psychopath or the
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borderlines they will try to coopt these
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people they will try to introduce these
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people into the narrative as
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well only if all this
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fails do you become the avow enemy of
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the personality disordered person and
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then there's a panopoly of behaviors
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stalking smear campaigns threats
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attempts to recruit law
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enforcement with false accusations I
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mean you name it the panoply of
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strategies and behaviors intended to
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punish you to punish you for having
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absconded with the narcissist narrative
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for having abandoned The Narcissist for
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having betrayed your destiny your role
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and your
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function this is the narrative way of
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looking at the progression and unfolding
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of personality
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disorders their narratives their stories
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that the disordered person tells
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himself but even this is done so
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dysfunctionally and in such a fragmented
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and fractured
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manner that the personality disordered
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person has not choice but to introduce
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others into the game in order to somehow
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restore a semblance of order and
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structure and meaning and sense into the
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whole mess and if you decline this
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irresistible
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offer you will be punished severely