DEF CON 31 - An Audacious Plan to Halt the Internet's Ensh*ttification - Cory Doctorow
Summary
TLDRCorey Doctorow delivers a compelling talk on the decline of the internet, which he attributes to monopolistic practices by tech giants. He coins the term 'enshittification' to describe how platforms initially serve users well, then exploit them and business partners for profit, leading to their decline. Doctorow criticizes the lack of competition, high switching costs, and consolidations that allow these companies to flourish unchecked. To combat this, he advocates for breaking up tech monopolies, enforcing antitrust laws, restoring interoperability, and fostering a more user-friendly internet. He draws parallels with controlled burns in forests, arguing for a 'good fire' to clear the tech landscape and allow new growth. The talk emphasizes policy changes and user empowerment as vital steps towards reclaiming the internet's potential as a decentralized and innovative space.
Takeaways
- 🔥 Enshittification describes the decline of platforms due to monopolistic practices.
- 📉 Lack of competition and high switching costs harm internet innovation.
- 🛡️ Advocates for robust privacy laws and rights to protect users.
- 🔄 Interoperability is key to fostering competition and user choices.
- ⚙️ Calls to break up tech monopolies and enforce antitrust laws.
- 🌿 Draws parallel with controlled burns to manage and renew ecosystems.
- 🖧 Network Effects can both drive growth and entrench monopolies.
- 🏴☠️ Supports hacking and reverse engineering to bypass corporate controls.
- 🛍️ Critiques platforms like Facebook for exploiting users for profits.
- 🔍 Emphasizes transparency and fair trading in digital services.
Timeline
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
This segment introduces Mr. Corey Doctorow, who humorously acknowledges his age and uses it as a segue into discussing the evolution of the internet. He reminisces about the earlier, simpler days of the internet before the rise of dominant platforms and outlines the theme of his talk: the downfall of platforms through a process he calls 'insidification.' He will explore how platforms initially serve users, then businesses, and finally themselves, leading to decay.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Doctorow continues by examining Facebook as a case study for platform insidification. He describes Facebook's evolution from a user-centered service to one that prioritizes advertisers and publishers, eventually exploiting users, advertisers, and publishers alike to maximize shareholder value. This process leads to declining user satisfaction and potential mass exits.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Here, the concept of 'insidification' is further explained, highlighting the three stages platforms go through as they deteriorate. This includes abusing business customers and internalizing value until nothing remains. Doctorow suggests that tech industries face a unique systemic issue due to a lack of competition and regulatory weaknesses, facilitated by historical shifts in antitrust enforcement.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Doctorow delves into the anti-competitive strategies tech giants employ, such as absorbing competition and exploiting their market position post-antitrust amendments from the 1980s. He makes a compelling case on how these maneuvers stifle innovation and preserve dominance, ultimately allowing platforms to evade responsibility and accountability.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Focusing on the technical aspects, Doctorow discusses the potential for adversarial interoperability, where users employ hacks and reverse engineering to overcome platform lock-ins. He highlights how foundational tech companies used similar methods to gain traction against their own competitors, underscoring the cyclical nature of tech innovation and competition.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Doctorow argues for policy changes to combat insidification, proposing stronger antitrust measures and emphasizing interoperability. He believes these changes can decentralize tech power and promote new platforms, thereby restoring vibrancy and diversity to the internet. His vision includes government action against monopolistic practices and amendments in tech-driven laws.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Transitioning to proposed remedies, Doctorow focuses on governmental roles, advocating for strict procurement standards to ensure tech companies offer interoperable products. This would alleviate users' dependency on single platforms, fostering a more competitive and open internet ecosystem without substantial barriers to entry for new competitors.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Doctorow outlines the importance of keeping tech companies honest through privacy and fair trading laws. His strategic perspective on leveraging governmental influence and legal standards stresses accountability and transparency in tech operations, thereby preventing monopolistic practices and encouraging a dynamic technological landscape.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:42
Concluding, Doctorow fervently calls for the dismantling of tech monopolies and the embrace of a new, user-controlled internet. His advocacy for continuous innovation and resistance to corporate capture by promoting democratized tech practices underscores a vision for an internet that remains a public good rather than a corporate playground.
Mind Map
Video Q&A
Who is Corey Doctorow?
Corey Doctorow is a writer and speaker, known for his work advocating for open internet and technology rights.
What is 'enshittification'?
Enshittification is a term coined by Doctorow to describe the decline of internet platforms due to monopolistic practices and exploitation of users and business customers.
How does Doctorow propose to fix the internet?
Doctorow suggests breaking up big tech companies, restoring antitrust enforcement, promoting interoperability and fostering competition by modifying existing laws that prevent hacking and reverse engineering.
What are Network Effects?
Network Effects refer to the phenomenon where a product or service becomes more valuable as more people use it, which is prevalent in digital platforms.
How has the internet changed according to Doctorow?
The internet has changed from a decentralized, user-driven space to being dominated by a few large corporations, limiting innovation and user freedom.
Why does Doctorow criticize platforms like Facebook?
Doctorow criticizes platforms like Facebook for prioritizing profits over user needs, manipulating algorithms, and exploiting user data.
What is Doctorow's view on privacy laws?
Doctorow supports robust privacy laws with private rights of action, better protecting users from being exploited by tech companies.
What role does interoperability play in Doctorow's vision?
Interoperability allows new platforms to connect and compete with existing ones, reducing monopolistic control and increasing user freedom.
What historical parallels does Doctorow draw?
Doctorow draws parallels with controlled burns in forestry management to describe the need for 'good fire' in tech - healthy competition rather than monopolistic stagnation.
What's Doctorow's stance on antitrust enforcement?
Doctorow strongly supports reinvigorated antitrust enforcement to break up monopolistic tech giants and restore competition to the market.
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- 00:00:00let's give Mr Corey Dr o a giant Round
- 00:00:03of Applause
- 00:00:08thank you
- 00:00:09hi
- 00:00:11hey
- 00:00:13hi uh I have a confession to make I am
- 00:00:17now old uh I turned 52 last month I am
- 00:00:21now the full deck of cards I have two
- 00:00:24artificial hips I have cataracts in both
- 00:00:26my eyes I am old as dirt
- 00:00:29and you may know that uh the AARP has
- 00:00:32these uh
- 00:00:34um junk mail like doxing ninjas who
- 00:00:36track you down on your 50th birthday to
- 00:00:38try and sell you a membership what's
- 00:00:40less well known is that if you buy the
- 00:00:42membership on that day you get issued a
- 00:00:44card that lets you complain that things
- 00:00:45used to be better when you were younger
- 00:00:47I got that card and I know that the
- 00:00:50complaint is trite to say that things
- 00:00:52used to be better in the old days but I
- 00:00:54really think it's true when it comes to
- 00:00:55the internet I really do think the
- 00:00:58internet used to be better back before I
- 00:01:01turned out into what the Kiwi hacker Tom
- 00:01:03Eastman calls five giant websites each
- 00:01:06filled with screenshots of text from the
- 00:01:07other four
- 00:01:09and I miss the good old internet but
- 00:01:12this isn't a talk about bringing the old
- 00:01:14good internet back it's a talk about
- 00:01:17what a new good internet could be and
- 00:01:20why we don't have it yet and how we can
- 00:01:23get it
- 00:01:24so this is a talk about insidification
- 00:01:27that's a term I coined to describe how
- 00:01:31platforms die and platforms they're the
- 00:01:34endemic form of the internet a platform
- 00:01:37is a firm that mediates between end
- 00:01:40users and business customers Uber's got
- 00:01:42drivers and Riders Amazon and eBay have
- 00:01:45sellers and buyers Google and Facebook
- 00:01:48have Publishers and advertisers and
- 00:01:50users on the other side the platform
- 00:01:52sits between those two different groups
- 00:01:54and mediates between them do you
- 00:01:56remember we said that the internet was
- 00:01:57going to disintermediate disintermediate
- 00:01:59everything it did disintermediate
- 00:02:02everything and then it promptly
- 00:02:03re-intermediated everything platforms
- 00:02:06are just intermediaries
- 00:02:08now here's how platform dies
- 00:02:11first it's good to its users
- 00:02:13then it abuses those users to make
- 00:02:16things better for business customers
- 00:02:17finally it abuses the business customers
- 00:02:20to claw back all the value that had once
- 00:02:22been allocated to those end users and
- 00:02:24then to those business customers
- 00:02:25allocates it to themselves and then
- 00:02:28there's no value left it turns into a
- 00:02:30pile of [ __ ] and it dies
- 00:02:32and we are living through math end stage
- 00:02:35platform Decay we are in the Great in
- 00:02:38shooting
- 00:02:39and I'm going to explain how those three
- 00:02:42stages of the process of platform and
- 00:02:44certification and then I'm going to
- 00:02:46explain the policy choices that let them
- 00:02:48get away with it and then I'm going to
- 00:02:50tell you what policy changes would let
- 00:02:52us seize the means of computation and
- 00:02:55build a new good internet that is the
- 00:02:57worthy successor to the old good
- 00:02:59internet it's a talk about how we make
- 00:03:02the insurer net that we have now an
- 00:03:04intermediate stage between that old good
- 00:03:07internet and a new good internet
- 00:03:10so I'm going to start with a case study
- 00:03:11Facebook
- 00:03:13now Facebook is a company that was
- 00:03:16founded to non-consensually rank the
- 00:03:18fuckability of Harvard undergraduates
- 00:03:20and it only got worse after that
- 00:03:25now when Facebook started it was only
- 00:03:28open to people who had edu addresses and
- 00:03:32K-12 us addresses American students but
- 00:03:35in 2006 Facebook opened to the general
- 00:03:38public it told users yeah I know you all
- 00:03:42use MySpace but have you ever thought
- 00:03:44about how Myspace is owned by an evil
- 00:03:47senescent crapulent Australian
- 00:03:49billionaire who spies on you with every
- 00:03:51hour that God sends come use Facebook we
- 00:03:55are the Privacy forward alternative to
- 00:03:57Myspace and we will never spy on you
- 00:04:00just come and tell us who in this world
- 00:04:02matters to you
- 00:04:04uh put their names into Facebook and we
- 00:04:06will compose a personal feed for you
- 00:04:09consisting solely of what those people
- 00:04:11publish for for consumption by the
- 00:04:14people who follow them
- 00:04:15now that was stage one Facebook had this
- 00:04:18Surplus it had investor cash from people
- 00:04:20like Peter Thiel and it allocated that
- 00:04:22Surplus to us the end users and then we
- 00:04:25the end users we locked ourselves into
- 00:04:28Facebook now Facebook like most tech
- 00:04:30businesses has Network effects on its
- 00:04:33side a product or service has Network
- 00:04:35effects if it gets better when more
- 00:04:37people use it so you joined Facebook
- 00:04:39because there was someone there you
- 00:04:40wanted to talk to and then once you were
- 00:04:41there you were a reason for someone else
- 00:04:43to join to come and talk to you
- 00:04:45but Facebook doesn't just have high
- 00:04:47Network effects it also enjoyed High
- 00:04:50switching costs switching costs they're
- 00:04:53everything that you have to give up when
- 00:04:55you leave a product or a service now in
- 00:04:57Facebook's case switching away from
- 00:04:59Facebook the cost was access to all the
- 00:05:02people that you hung out with face if
- 00:05:03you hung out with on Facebook the people
- 00:05:05who followed you and the people that you
- 00:05:06followed now in theory you could have
- 00:05:08all gotten together and agreed on where
- 00:05:10to go next and and and and left the
- 00:05:12platform together but in practice you
- 00:05:14were hamstrung by an insurmountable
- 00:05:16Collective action problem it's hard to
- 00:05:19get a lot of people to do the same thing
- 00:05:21at the same time you and your six hacker
- 00:05:24buddies are gonna struggle to figure out
- 00:05:25where you're gonna go to dinner tonight
- 00:05:28how the [ __ ] are you and your 200
- 00:05:30Facebook friends going to agree on when
- 00:05:32it's time to leave Facebook and where
- 00:05:34you should go next
- 00:05:35so Facebook's end users engaged in
- 00:05:37mutual hostage taking and kept
- 00:05:40themselves glued to the platform and
- 00:05:42Facebook it saw the hostage situation
- 00:05:44and exploited it withdrawing the Surplus
- 00:05:47from those end users and allocating it
- 00:05:49to two important groups of business
- 00:05:50customers Publishers and advertisers
- 00:05:53to the advertisers Facebook said hey
- 00:05:56remember when we told those Rubes that
- 00:05:58we weren't going to spy on them we lied
- 00:06:01we will spy on them from [ __ ] to
- 00:06:03appetite we will sell you access to that
- 00:06:06surveillance data in the form of
- 00:06:08fine-grained AD targeting and we will
- 00:06:10devote substantial engineering resources
- 00:06:12to combating ad fraud the ads will be
- 00:06:15Dirt Cheap to serve and we will spare no
- 00:06:18expense to make sure that when you buy
- 00:06:19an ad a person sees it now to the
- 00:06:22Publishers Facebook said hey remember
- 00:06:24when we told those rubs we were going to
- 00:06:26only show them the things that they
- 00:06:28asked us to show them we lied
- 00:06:31upload short excerpts from your website
- 00:06:34put a link at the bottom and we'll
- 00:06:36non-consensually cram it into the
- 00:06:37eyeballs of people who never ask to see
- 00:06:39it we are offering you a free traffic
- 00:06:42funnel that will drive millions of users
- 00:06:45to your website that you can monetize as
- 00:06:47you please and if those users subscribe
- 00:06:49to your feed they'll be stuck to you
- 00:06:51forever
- 00:06:52and so advertisers and Publishers they
- 00:06:54got stuck to the platform too dependent
- 00:06:56on those users so the users were holding
- 00:06:58each other hostage and the hostages took
- 00:07:01the Publishers in the advertisers
- 00:07:02hostage too and everyone was locked in
- 00:07:05which meant it was time for the third
- 00:07:07phase of insidification withdrawing
- 00:07:10Surplus from everyone and handing it to
- 00:07:12Facebook shareholders
- 00:07:13for the users that meant that the feed
- 00:07:15that you got the Quantum of stuff that
- 00:07:18you would ask to see was dialed down to
- 00:07:21a homeopathic dose so that there could
- 00:07:24be a resulting void that could be filled
- 00:07:26with ads and paid to boost content from
- 00:07:29Publishers for advertisers that meant
- 00:07:31the prices went up and the odd fraud
- 00:07:33policing went down so advertisers paid
- 00:07:36much more for ads and many or most of
- 00:07:38those ads never got shown to a human
- 00:07:40being
- 00:07:41for Publishers Facebook reached in and
- 00:07:44algorithmically suppressed the reach of
- 00:07:46content and less larger and larger
- 00:07:49excerpts were put in the posts that were
- 00:07:50posted to Facebook until anything less
- 00:07:53than a full text feed would likely not
- 00:07:55reach even your own subscribers let
- 00:07:58alone Be boosted to other people through
- 00:08:00algorithmic recommendation and then
- 00:08:02Facebook put the knife in they started
- 00:08:04publishing they started punishing
- 00:08:05Publishers who put links to their own
- 00:08:07content to their own website in those
- 00:08:09posts so they were corralled into
- 00:08:11posting full-text feeds with no links
- 00:08:13back to their website becoming commodity
- 00:08:16suppliers to Facebook entirely dependent
- 00:08:19on Facebook both for reach and for
- 00:08:21monetization which was only available
- 00:08:23through that crooked advertising system
- 00:08:26when any of those groups squawked
- 00:08:28Facebook just repeated that lesson that
- 00:08:30they learned on day one of the Darth
- 00:08:31Vader MBA I have altered the deal pray I
- 00:08:35don't alter it any further
- 00:08:38now Facebook has entered the final and
- 00:08:40most dangerous phase of insidification
- 00:08:42it wants to withdraw all available
- 00:08:45Surplus and leave just enough residual
- 00:08:48value in the service to keep end users
- 00:08:50stuck to each other and business
- 00:08:52customers stuck to those end users
- 00:08:53without leaving anything extra on the
- 00:08:56table so that every extractable penny is
- 00:08:58drawn out and returned to its
- 00:09:00shareholders but that is a very brittle
- 00:09:02equilibrium because the difference
- 00:09:04between I hate this service but I can't
- 00:09:07bring myself to quit it and Jesus Christ
- 00:09:10why did I wait so long to quit this [ __ ]
- 00:09:13well get me the [ __ ] out of here is
- 00:09:15Razor thin
- 00:09:17all it takes is one Cambridge analytica
- 00:09:19Scandal one whistleblower one live
- 00:09:22streamed mass shooting and users vote
- 00:09:24for the exits and Facebook discovers
- 00:09:26that Network effects are a double-edged
- 00:09:28sword if users can't leave because
- 00:09:30everyone is staying the once everyone
- 00:09:32leaves there's no reason to stay that is
- 00:09:35in that is the terminal phase of
- 00:09:37acidification the phase when the
- 00:09:39platform becomes a pile of [ __ ] and that
- 00:09:41phase is usually accomplished by Panic
- 00:09:43which in Tech circles we call pivoting
- 00:09:45which is how
- 00:09:52thank you
- 00:09:53all right which is how we get pivots
- 00:09:57like in the future all internet users
- 00:10:00will voluntarily transform themselves
- 00:10:02into legless sexless low polygon heavily
- 00:10:05surveilled cartoon characters in a
- 00:10:07virtual world we ripped off from a 25
- 00:10:09year old satirical science fiction novel
- 00:10:13now in shidification is not inevitable
- 00:10:16plenty of tech Platforms in history died
- 00:10:19without insidifying but when three
- 00:10:22criteria are satisfying acidification
- 00:10:24always ensues the first is a general
- 00:10:28lack of competition 40 years ago the
- 00:10:31Carter Administration started pulling
- 00:10:32Jenga blocks out of American antitrust
- 00:10:34enforcement then Reagan started pulling
- 00:10:36them out by the fistful and every
- 00:10:39Administration since but not including
- 00:10:41the Biden Administration has continued
- 00:10:43to Nerf antitrust making it
- 00:10:45progressively weaker until every
- 00:10:47industry not just Tech is dominated by
- 00:10:50tiny handful of companies whether we're
- 00:10:52talking about Pharma health insurance
- 00:10:54appliances athletic shoes books booze
- 00:10:59drugstores office supplies eyeglasses
- 00:11:02vitamin c bottle caps Airlines railroads
- 00:11:06rental cars mattresses champagne candy
- 00:11:10and professional wrestling
- 00:11:13these companies grew by doing things
- 00:11:16that were illegal until the 1980s which
- 00:11:19is not coincidentally the time that we
- 00:11:21got the first PCS PCS the internet and
- 00:11:24antitrust drawdown all those phenomena
- 00:11:27occurred at the same time Tech is the
- 00:11:29first industry in a century to be born
- 00:11:32even as antitrust was getting weaker
- 00:11:35now what laws were those companies
- 00:11:37allowed to violate well first they were
- 00:11:40able to sell Goods below cost and that
- 00:11:41meant that if you had Deep Pockets you
- 00:11:43could bankrupt your competitors and
- 00:11:45prevent new companies from entering the
- 00:11:47market so some of you may remember when
- 00:11:49Amazon tried to buy a company called
- 00:11:51diapers.com diapers.com said we don't
- 00:11:54want to sell we like being our own
- 00:11:56business so Amazon lit a hundred million
- 00:11:59dollars on fire in the next few months
- 00:12:01selling diapers below cost until
- 00:12:03diapers.com went bust so this is not
- 00:12:06about the best company succeeding it's
- 00:12:08the company whose shareholders are
- 00:12:10willing to lose the most money that gets
- 00:12:12to survive
- 00:12:13but more than anything uh these
- 00:12:16companies were able to merge with their
- 00:12:18major competitors and buy out small ones
- 00:12:20so think about Google Google made one
- 00:12:23good product 25 years ago a really
- 00:12:25amazingly great search engine and that
- 00:12:28amazingly great search engine opened a
- 00:12:30conduit to the capital markets and that
- 00:12:32gave Google an effectively blank check
- 00:12:34to buy competitors so it didn't matter
- 00:12:37that virtually everything Google
- 00:12:38developed in-house was a failure videos
- 00:12:41social media Wi-Fi balloons smart cities
- 00:12:45they couldn't even keep an RSS reader
- 00:12:47running
- 00:12:50it didn't matter
- 00:12:52because they could buy other people's
- 00:12:54companies and that's how they got a
- 00:12:57mobile operating system an ad Tech Stack
- 00:12:59video Maps documents satellites server
- 00:13:02management Google is not Willy Wonka's
- 00:13:05idea Factory they're just Rich Uncle
- 00:13:07Penny bags spending other people's money
- 00:13:10to buy the products that they themselves
- 00:13:12are too ossified and lumbering to create
- 00:13:14and that's not just Google
- 00:13:17Apple buys 90 companies per year Tim
- 00:13:21Cook brings home a new company more
- 00:13:23often than you bring home a bag of
- 00:13:25groceries
- 00:13:27eliminating competition is the first
- 00:13:29step in in shidification because it's a
- 00:13:32lot easier to treat your customers and
- 00:13:34suppliers like [ __ ] when you're the only
- 00:13:35game in town
- 00:13:37but all Industries have Consolidated and
- 00:13:39not just Tech and shitification is what
- 00:13:42happens when you stir two more
- 00:13:44tech-centric factors into the mix
- 00:13:47so I want to take a quick uh interlude
- 00:13:49from economics here and do some hacker
- 00:13:51[ __ ]
- 00:13:53um remember when I told you about how
- 00:13:54Network effects Drive explosive growth
- 00:13:56well Tech does have amazing Network
- 00:13:58effects but it has another property an
- 00:14:01irreducible feature that operates as the
- 00:14:04anti-network effect which is low
- 00:14:06switching costs which are driven by
- 00:14:09universality because we only know how to
- 00:14:11make one computer right the touring
- 00:14:13complete Universal Bond knowing machine
- 00:14:15that can run all the software we know
- 00:14:17how to write we don't know how to make a
- 00:14:19computer that runs all the programs
- 00:14:20except for the one that makes your
- 00:14:21shareholders sad we just know how to
- 00:14:23make that one if that wasn't the case we
- 00:14:25wouldn't see people showing up every
- 00:14:26year at cons like this going like hey
- 00:14:28guess what I figured out how to write
- 00:14:30malware and PostScript right
- 00:14:33so that means that every software driven
- 00:14:36product or service is liable to
- 00:14:38adversarial interoperability that's when
- 00:14:41a hacker uses reverse engineering
- 00:14:43scraping and Bots to plug something in
- 00:14:45that the OEM doesn't want plugged in
- 00:14:48remember that Facebook case study when
- 00:14:51Facebook was telling Myspace users that
- 00:14:53they needed to escape Rupert Murdoch's
- 00:14:55evil crapolin Australian social media
- 00:14:57panopticon it didn't just say to those
- 00:14:59myspacers hey [ __ ] your friends come to
- 00:15:03Facebook and just hang on looking at our
- 00:15:04cool new UI until they show up instead
- 00:15:08it gave them a bot you fed the bot your
- 00:15:10login credentials and it would go to
- 00:15:12Myspace and pretend to be you and it
- 00:15:14would scrape the things waiting in your
- 00:15:15inbox and it would copy them into your
- 00:15:17Facebook inbox and then you could reply
- 00:15:18to it and paste it back into your
- 00:15:20Myspace outbox the explosive growth that
- 00:15:23platforms get from Network effects draws
- 00:15:26competitors and those competitors hack
- 00:15:28interoperability layers into their
- 00:15:30products that attack those incumbents on
- 00:15:33their highest margin offerings draining
- 00:15:35out users draining off revenues so that
- 00:15:38every company starts with explosive
- 00:15:40Network effects growth and then it ends
- 00:15:42with implosive low switch and cost
- 00:15:45driven contraction
- 00:15:46every successful tech company started
- 00:15:48with adversarial interop Google
- 00:15:50presented itself to the world's web
- 00:15:52servers and said hey I'm a user using
- 00:15:54your web pages please
- 00:15:56Apple reversed Microsoft Office and made
- 00:15:58iWorks Suite Pages numbers keynote that
- 00:16:01could perfectly read and write the files
- 00:16:02from word excel and PowerPoint
- 00:16:04look hard at any tech company and you'll
- 00:16:06find them ripping mixing and burning the
- 00:16:09biggest products and services of the day
- 00:16:10water tech companies go after the
- 00:16:13biggest products and services the same
- 00:16:15reason Willie Sutton rob banks that's
- 00:16:17where the users are but when these
- 00:16:19companies exploited the dying of our
- 00:16:22antitrust rules to grow to unimaginable
- 00:16:24scale they joined forces and declared
- 00:16:28the end of History
- 00:16:29adversarial interoperability was great
- 00:16:32when they did it it was necessary to
- 00:16:34Humanity's progress but anyone tries to
- 00:16:36do that to them well that's a crime
- 00:16:39because you know every pirate wants to
- 00:16:41be an admiral
- 00:16:42an industry with a thousand small and
- 00:16:44medium-sized companies has the same
- 00:16:46Collective action problem you and your
- 00:16:47friends will have when you're looking
- 00:16:48for a place to have dinner tonight they
- 00:16:50won't be able to agree on anything not
- 00:16:53only can they not agree on what the law
- 00:16:54should be for their industry they can't
- 00:16:56even agree on how to cater the annual
- 00:16:58meeting where they would discuss the
- 00:16:59question
- 00:17:00do you remember the naster wars Tech was
- 00:17:03much bigger than the entertainment
- 00:17:05sector back during the Napster Wars but
- 00:17:07big content kicked Tex ass because there
- 00:17:11were five labels in seven Studios which
- 00:17:13meant that they could easily agree on a
- 00:17:15single unified response to P2P and today
- 00:17:18there's three labels and four Studios
- 00:17:20those companies are so incestuous
- 00:17:23they've got the corporate equivalent of
- 00:17:25a Habsburg jaw and they've decided
- 00:17:28that they're going to replace every
- 00:17:30creative worker with a chatbot which is
- 00:17:32why the actors and writers in my
- 00:17:34hometown in Burbank has spent this
- 00:17:36summer
- 00:17:37roasting
- 00:17:39on treeless sidewalks in front of the
- 00:17:42studios
- 00:17:43because when a sector has five companies
- 00:17:46or four or three or two it can agree on
- 00:17:49one policy Direction and it can screw
- 00:17:51its customers and suppliers so hard that
- 00:17:54it amasses a fortune that lets it get
- 00:17:55that policy
- 00:17:57today's Tech is even more concentrated
- 00:18:00than the entertainment sector was back
- 00:18:02during the Napster Wars and they've
- 00:18:04agreed that history has come to an end
- 00:18:07when Apple reversed office and built
- 00:18:09iWork Microsoft had to just suck it up
- 00:18:11but in the ensuing decades apple and
- 00:18:13Microsoft and Google and Facebook and
- 00:18:15the other Tech Giants have secure
- 00:18:17changes to law regulation and policy
- 00:18:20that make it illegal to do unto them as
- 00:18:23they did unto others if you were to
- 00:18:25reverse the file formats used by iOS and
- 00:18:28make a run time for its apps and a
- 00:18:30player for the DRM restricted media that
- 00:18:32they that you get through it Apple would
- 00:18:35reduce you to Rubble they'd come after
- 00:18:37you with Section 1201 of the Digital
- 00:18:39Millennium Copyright Act the Computer
- 00:18:41Fraud and Abuse Act tortious
- 00:18:43interference with contract copyright
- 00:18:45Patent Trademark and trade secrecy the
- 00:18:47stuff that we call IP in other words now
- 00:18:51I know free software hackers hate it
- 00:18:52when you use the word IP they say it
- 00:18:54doesn't mean anything but no IP means
- 00:18:55something very specific when we're
- 00:18:57talking about a business context
- 00:18:59IP
- 00:19:00ruler law that lets me reach outside of
- 00:19:03the four corners of my business and
- 00:19:05exert control over the conduct of my
- 00:19:06competitors my customers and my critics
- 00:19:09or as Jay Freeman from the Saudia
- 00:19:11project puts it this is felony contempt
- 00:19:14of business model
- 00:19:16and here's what that looks like
- 00:19:18today one in four web users has
- 00:19:20installed an ad blocker doc Searles
- 00:19:22calls it the largest consumer boycott in
- 00:19:23history and he's not wrong
- 00:19:25ad blockers are only possible because
- 00:19:27browsers are open platforms you don't
- 00:19:29have to bypass any IP to mod a browser
- 00:19:32and change the way the page renders in
- 00:19:34the user's browser but if you want to
- 00:19:36add ad blocking to apps you would commit
- 00:19:39half a dozen felon federal crimes bypass
- 00:19:43the DRM well that's a dmca 1201
- 00:19:45violation it's punished both by a
- 00:19:47five-year prison sentence and a 500 000
- 00:19:49fine for a first offense
- 00:19:52an app is just a name for a web page
- 00:19:55that's been skinned with enough IP that
- 00:19:58uh it will allow Apple or Google to send
- 00:20:00you to prison for felony content of
- 00:20:02business model if you mod it
- 00:20:04so let's get back to incidification
- 00:20:05hacker interlude over
- 00:20:07acidification is what happens when
- 00:20:09companies do not face competition and
- 00:20:12when they are able to use that
- 00:20:13incredible flexibility of our Universal
- 00:20:15computers to twiddle the knobs on the
- 00:20:18back end to do Darth Vader [ __ ] altering
- 00:20:21the deal further unconstrained by
- 00:20:23Privacy Law labor law fair trading law
- 00:20:25turning every platform into a rigged
- 00:20:29Skinner box Casino where the payout
- 00:20:31schedule is altered from moment to
- 00:20:33moment making it impossible for end
- 00:20:35users or business customers to figure
- 00:20:37out whether they're getting a fair deal
- 00:20:39tech companies can twiddle the knobs
- 00:20:41whenever they want without explanation
- 00:20:43without transparency and we can't get a
- 00:20:46law passed to make them stop
- 00:20:48compulsively touching their knobs
- 00:20:50because
- 00:20:51in a world of five giant websites each
- 00:20:53filled with screenshots of text from the
- 00:20:55other four they can easily agree that
- 00:20:58rules that those rules will be bad and
- 00:21:00they can mobilize the Monopoly winnings
- 00:21:03from that rig casino they've built to
- 00:21:05make sure that those laws never pass
- 00:21:07so let's take stock step one
- 00:21:09Consolidated Industries eliminate
- 00:21:12competition through predatory pricing
- 00:21:14and acquisition
- 00:21:15step two tech companies pay this play
- 00:21:18this high speed shell game on the back
- 00:21:20end and use their consolidation to
- 00:21:22Bigfoot any attempt to constrain their
- 00:21:24twiddling like labor privacy or Fair
- 00:21:27trading laws now we come to step three
- 00:21:29where tech companies Embrace Tech laws
- 00:21:33but just the laws that make it illegal
- 00:21:35for us to twiddle back at them the IP
- 00:21:37laws that make it uh that make felony
- 00:21:40contempt of business model a reality
- 00:21:42criminalizing adversarial
- 00:21:43interoperability the process that once
- 00:21:46Act is acted as garbage collection for
- 00:21:48the unsurified bloated top-heavy
- 00:21:50companies letting Nimble Innovative
- 00:21:52players drain off their users eat their
- 00:21:54lunch and dance on their graves put
- 00:21:57these three factors together
- 00:21:58consolidation unrestricted twiddling for
- 00:22:01them and a total ban on twiddling for us
- 00:22:03and insidification does become
- 00:22:06inevitable
- 00:22:08that's how insertification works now
- 00:22:10let's talk about how we're going to end
- 00:22:11it throw it into reverse and build a new
- 00:22:14good internet that's a worthy successor
- 00:22:16to that old good internet
- 00:22:17step one we got a halt consolidation and
- 00:22:20break up big tech companies this one is
- 00:22:23actually going great
- 00:22:25after 40 years we have the first U.S
- 00:22:28Administration in two generations to
- 00:22:30take this seriously joined by colleagues
- 00:22:32who are doing really muscular [ __ ] in
- 00:22:33the US and the EU and even in China
- 00:22:36we they are blocking mergers demanding
- 00:22:38breakups and they're fighting alongside
- 00:22:40lawmakers who are joining Hands Across
- 00:22:43the political Spectrum there's a Bill in
- 00:22:45Congress right now called the America
- 00:22:46Act that'll break up Facebook and Google
- 00:22:48and its two lead co-sponsors are Ted
- 00:22:51Cruz and Elizabeth Warren
- 00:22:56[Applause]
- 00:22:59the Federal Trade Commission and the doj
- 00:23:01have published new merger guidelines
- 00:23:03which ban anti-competitive mergers that
- 00:23:06have been the norm for 40 years now if
- 00:23:08you're only cursorily paying attention
- 00:23:10to this you might have gotten the
- 00:23:11impression that the amazing chair of the
- 00:23:13FTC Lena Khan is thrashing
- 00:23:15indiscriminately and losing big Tech
- 00:23:18mergers like the Activision Microsoft
- 00:23:20merger that she tried to block but the
- 00:23:22reality is
- 00:23:24one is trying to make new law after four
- 00:23:27Decades of complacency and a bias in
- 00:23:30favor of monopolies she is taking swings
- 00:23:33no one has taken since the Carter
- 00:23:36Administration she is a goddamn American
- 00:23:38hero and her colleagues like Rohit
- 00:23:41Chopra at the cpfb and Jonathan Cantor
- 00:23:43at the doj are doing the Lord's work
- 00:23:47thank you
- 00:23:51but it takes a long ass time to do these
- 00:23:53breakups it took 69 years to break up a
- 00:23:56t i don't want to wait that long for a
- 00:23:58new good internet and we don't have to
- 00:24:00because Tech is different it's Universal
- 00:24:02it's interoperable and that means we
- 00:24:05have options that we've never had before
- 00:24:06when we were fighting rail Barons and
- 00:24:08Oil Barons and the whiskey Trust
- 00:24:11those options that are interoperability
- 00:24:13driven and they will devolve control
- 00:24:15over technology from giant companies to
- 00:24:18small companies or co-ops or non-profits
- 00:24:20or communities of users themselves
- 00:24:21interop is how we seize the means of
- 00:24:24computation
- 00:24:25so how do we do that well first things
- 00:24:26first we gotta limit twiddling we've got
- 00:24:29to pass comprehensive Federal privacy
- 00:24:31laws with a private right of action
- 00:24:32meaning that you can sue if your privacy
- 00:24:34is violated even if your local public
- 00:24:36prosecutor doesn't think you deserve it
- 00:24:39we need to end worker misclassification
- 00:24:41through the so-called gig economy
- 00:24:42meaning that every worker will be
- 00:24:44entitled to minimum wages a safe
- 00:24:46workplace Fair scheduling and apply
- 00:24:49normal consumer protection standards to
- 00:24:51e-commerce platforms and search engines
- 00:24:52that ban deceptive advertising fake
- 00:24:55reviews and misleading search results
- 00:24:57that put fake businesses and products
- 00:24:58ahead of the best matches
- 00:25:01thank you
- 00:25:06then we need to open up those walled
- 00:25:08Gardens there's laws like the digital
- 00:25:10markets Act and the European Union that
- 00:25:11are going to force Tech platforms to
- 00:25:13stand up apis that allow new platforms
- 00:25:16to connect to them
- 00:25:17this interop will make switching costs
- 00:25:19low again so you can leave Facebook or
- 00:25:21Twitter and go to Mastodon diaspora or
- 00:25:24Bluesky or some other new platform and
- 00:25:26still exchange messages with the people
- 00:25:28you left behind and participate in the
- 00:25:31communities that matter to you and
- 00:25:32connect to the customers that you rely
- 00:25:34on
- 00:25:34these new platforms they need to be
- 00:25:37fiddle constrained the way the big ones
- 00:25:38should be subject to the same privacy
- 00:25:41Fair trading and labor rules but
- 00:25:43mandatory apis there's a there's a fatal
- 00:25:46flaw in administering them because they
- 00:25:48are so easy to cheat on because if we
- 00:25:51order Facebook to open an API to allow
- 00:25:53interoperators to siphon off their users
- 00:25:55it doesn't mean that we don't want them
- 00:25:57to pull the emergency brake if they
- 00:25:59think someone's exploiting it to steal
- 00:26:00millions or billions of users data and
- 00:26:03that means that Facebook can cheat
- 00:26:04because they can claim that they pulled
- 00:26:06the plug because they thought there was
- 00:26:08a breach when really they just wanted to
- 00:26:10destabilize those new platforms teach
- 00:26:12their Founders their users their
- 00:26:14investors you don't bet against Facebook
- 00:26:16if you want to win and even if you drag
- 00:26:19Facebook in front of a regulator to get
- 00:26:21them punished for this it's going to
- 00:26:22take years to get Justice because to a
- 00:26:24first approximation everyone who
- 00:26:26understands Facebook's infra well enough
- 00:26:28to to determine whether the shutdown was
- 00:26:30pretextual is a Facebook employee so
- 00:26:33we're going to have a dispute shutdowns
- 00:26:35that turn into years-long fact intensive
- 00:26:39inquests that will make nobody happy to
- 00:26:42make mandatory apis work we need to make
- 00:26:45robust interoperability preferable to
- 00:26:47that behind the scenes [ __ ] we need
- 00:26:50to align Tech Giants incentives so that
- 00:26:52they encourage competition rather than
- 00:26:55sabotaging it and this is where you all
- 00:26:57come in this is the part that we need
- 00:26:59hackers for
- 00:27:01because in addition to mandatory
- 00:27:03interrupt that's already coming down the
- 00:27:04pike we need to restore the right to mod
- 00:27:07Tinker reverse and hack these Services
- 00:27:09I'm going to tell you why and how and
- 00:27:12how we're going to make it safe for
- 00:27:14users
- 00:27:15first why do we need to do this well
- 00:27:17companies do hate competition but the
- 00:27:20one thing they hate more than
- 00:27:21competition is surprises if we have the
- 00:27:24right to mod existing services to
- 00:27:26restore busted API functionality then
- 00:27:28any company that is tempted to Nerf its
- 00:27:31apis has to consider the possibility
- 00:27:33that you're going to come along and
- 00:27:35scrape its site or reverse its app and
- 00:27:38make that API work again and that means
- 00:27:40that the choice for Tech Giants isn't
- 00:27:42keep the API and lose my discontented
- 00:27:45users or Nerf the API and screw my
- 00:27:47competitors it becomes this keep the API
- 00:27:50and lose my discontented users or Nerf
- 00:27:53the API and get embroiled in an
- 00:27:56unquantifiable guerrilla warfare against
- 00:27:58Engineers who have the attacker's
- 00:28:00advantage meaning I have to be perfect
- 00:28:01and they only need to find one mistake
- 00:28:03I've made and exploit it
- 00:28:05Tech Giants hate surprises because
- 00:28:07investors hate surprises when you get a
- 00:28:10quarterly earnings call and announce
- 00:28:11worse news than predicted your company's
- 00:28:14share price tanks remember the start of
- 00:28:162022 when Facebook told its investors
- 00:28:19that it attracted slightly fewer
- 00:28:21American users than I thought it would
- 00:28:22in the previous quarter and they engaged
- 00:28:24in a mass sell-off that lost a quarter
- 00:28:26of a trillion dollars off the company's
- 00:28:28share price in one day the single
- 00:28:31largest tanking of any corporate
- 00:28:33valuation in the history of the human
- 00:28:35race
- 00:28:36now the people who make the call to
- 00:28:40break an API they're Executives at those
- 00:28:42companies those Executives more than
- 00:28:44anyone else in the world have portfolios
- 00:28:46that are top heavy with shares in the
- 00:28:49companies they work for meaning that if
- 00:28:51they do something that creates a
- 00:28:52surprise that creates a mass sell-off
- 00:28:54that tanks the company's share price
- 00:28:55they themselves are the ones who are
- 00:28:57going to get hurt so you put the
- 00:28:59decision makers on the front lines of
- 00:29:01their own bad decisions and you know
- 00:29:02what no one ever lost money betting on
- 00:29:04the hubris of tech leaders so maybe
- 00:29:07they'll go ahead and do it anyway and if
- 00:29:09they do we'll have adversarial
- 00:29:10interoperability we can hack scrape and
- 00:29:12reverse our way back to the API that
- 00:29:14they've shut down
- 00:29:15so how do we get adversarial
- 00:29:17interoperability well we should roll
- 00:29:20back every law or a regulation that
- 00:29:22constitutes felony contempt of business
- 00:29:24model anti-circumvention criminalizing
- 00:29:27terms of service violations over broad
- 00:29:29patents and copyrights all of it but
- 00:29:31that's a project of years and we need
- 00:29:33adversarial interop now and here's how
- 00:29:36we can do that first
- 00:29:38wait for these companies to cheat
- 00:29:39because they're gonna cheat right when
- 00:29:42we pass the digital markets act or any
- 00:29:43other law that constrains their
- 00:29:45twiddling they're going to cheat because
- 00:29:46they're incapable of not cheating
- 00:29:48they've proven that over and over again
- 00:29:49and when they cheat we'll penalize them
- 00:29:52we can stick them with a special Master
- 00:29:54this is a kind of court appointed adult
- 00:29:56supervisor who has to approve their
- 00:29:58legal threats against interoperators and
- 00:30:01verify that those threats are about
- 00:30:02protecting the company's users and not
- 00:30:04its shareholders
- 00:30:05now while we're waiting for them to
- 00:30:07cheat we can put the government to work
- 00:30:09for us specifically government
- 00:30:10procurement governments should require
- 00:30:14that every tech company that sells them
- 00:30:17a product or a service has to promise
- 00:30:19not to interfere with interoperability
- 00:30:23I mean that's just good prudent
- 00:30:24Administration the Lincoln
- 00:30:26Administration only bought rifles from
- 00:30:29companies that agreed on standard
- 00:30:31tooling I mean of course they did
- 00:30:33where's canceled boys the bullet Factory
- 00:30:36shut down this week right that has been
- 00:30:38the Bedrock of good public procurement
- 00:30:41for centuries we just forgot it every
- 00:30:44digital system procured by every level
- 00:30:46of government should come with a binding
- 00:30:48covenant not to impede interoperability
- 00:30:50from the cars and your government motor
- 00:30:52pool to the Google classroom and our
- 00:30:54public schools to iPhones and our public
- 00:30:56agencies now those companies they're
- 00:30:58going to squawk but no one forces a tech
- 00:31:01giant to sell to the American government
- 00:31:03if you're too emotionally fragile to
- 00:31:06sell to the American public on Fair
- 00:31:07terms or find another line of work
- 00:31:09better suited to your delicate
- 00:31:11sensibilities your shareholders
- 00:31:13priorities are your problem public
- 00:31:15engineer public agencies are charged
- 00:31:17with doing the people's business
- 00:31:20thank you
- 00:31:25okay so we're going to use adversarial
- 00:31:27interrupt to keep big companies from
- 00:31:28sabotaging mandatory interrupt and we're
- 00:31:30going to use procurements conduct
- 00:31:32remedies and new law to get adversarial
- 00:31:34interrupt but how do we keep the
- 00:31:36inter-operators honest after all if you
- 00:31:38squinch us right Cambridge analytica is
- 00:31:41just an interoperator now remember I
- 00:31:44talked about putting limits on twiddling
- 00:31:45Privacy Law labor law fair trading laws
- 00:31:47that's how we do it I mean frankly it's
- 00:31:50surreal that the primary mechanism by
- 00:31:52which we keep Facebook's users from
- 00:31:54abusing Facebook's uh or Facebook's
- 00:31:56Partners from abusing Facebook's users
- 00:31:58is by asking Facebook to decide what is
- 00:32:01and isn't good for its users remember
- 00:32:03Cambridge analytica was a Facebook
- 00:32:05partner
- 00:32:06so whether you're using an API or
- 00:32:09whether you're Fielding an interoperable
- 00:32:10app that relies on scraping and
- 00:32:11reversing we want you Bound by those
- 00:32:13same laws but these should be laws that
- 00:32:16are passed by democratically accountable
- 00:32:17lawmakers and public proceedings not by
- 00:32:20shareholder accountable Executives and
- 00:32:22closed-door boardrooms
- 00:32:24the shitification didn't happen because
- 00:32:26today's companies are run by Evil
- 00:32:28Geniuses they are no more wicked than
- 00:32:31the everyday mediocrities who founded
- 00:32:33deck and sun and AOL
- 00:32:35all of those companies would have
- 00:32:37happily abolished their competitors
- 00:32:38captured their regulators and abused
- 00:32:40their users and business customers if
- 00:32:42they could have gotten away with it we
- 00:32:44didn't let them get away with it but we
- 00:32:46let the current crop get away with
- 00:32:48murder they are just able to buy their
- 00:32:51way to dominance merge with their
- 00:32:52competitors until they have the money
- 00:32:54and unity of purpose to capture our laws
- 00:32:56to give them the freedom to abuse us
- 00:32:58without limit and criminalize anything
- 00:33:01we do in our own self-defense
- 00:33:03to stop them we need to block new
- 00:33:05mergers and unwind existing ones we need
- 00:33:08to limit their ability to twiddle the
- 00:33:09back end to keep their users and
- 00:33:11business customers in a constant state
- 00:33:13of confusion and we need to restore our
- 00:33:15ability to twiddle back to give
- 00:33:17ourselves an internet operated buy-in
- 00:33:19for the people who use it that new good
- 00:33:22internet would be a worthy successor to
- 00:33:25our old good internet
- 00:33:27now for millennium the indigenous people
- 00:33:29of California used controlled Burns to
- 00:33:32wipe out old and sick trees opening the
- 00:33:34canopy for New Growth but when the
- 00:33:36settlers banned good fire California
- 00:33:38started to accumulate fire debt and that
- 00:33:40means that every year California Burns
- 00:33:43because the alternative to good fire
- 00:33:45isn't no fire it's Wildfire when tech
- 00:33:49companies had to contend with the
- 00:33:50implosive contraction of low switching
- 00:33:52costs they were Dynamic springing up and
- 00:33:55disappearing all the time when we
- 00:33:57stopped enforcing antitrust law we ended
- 00:34:00good fire and we got Wildfire our tech
- 00:34:03companies have terminal gigantism and
- 00:34:06they're on fire all the time it's time
- 00:34:10to stop making the tech Giants better
- 00:34:12and time to start evacuating them and
- 00:34:14letting them burn
- 00:34:16in your heart you know we could have a
- 00:34:18better internet than this one and A
- 00:34:20Better Tax sector do you remember when
- 00:34:23Tech workers dreamed of working for a
- 00:34:25big company for a few years before
- 00:34:26striking out on their own to start their
- 00:34:28own business that put that big company
- 00:34:30out of business then that dream shrank
- 00:34:32to working for a tech giant for a few
- 00:34:34years quitting and doing a fake startup
- 00:34:37to get Aqua hired back by your own boss
- 00:34:38and the world's most inefficient way to
- 00:34:40get a raise
- 00:34:42and then it shrank even further to
- 00:34:46working for a tech giant for your whole
- 00:34:47life but there'd be free kombucha in the
- 00:34:49cafeteria and you get massages on
- 00:34:51Wednesdays
- 00:34:52and now that dream is over and all
- 00:34:54that's left is work for a tech guy until
- 00:34:56they fire your ass like those 12 000
- 00:34:58googlers who got fired six months after
- 00:35:00a stock buyback that would have paid
- 00:35:02their salaries for the next 27 years
- 00:35:05we deserve better than this and we can
- 00:35:07get it I want to take a lesson here from
- 00:35:09my arch nemesis a guy called Milton
- 00:35:11Friedman a court Sorcerer of Ronald
- 00:35:13Reagan architect of the neoliberal
- 00:35:15Revolution author of our misery and he
- 00:35:18was a monster but he knew a thing or two
- 00:35:20and when people would ask him Milton how
- 00:35:22will you ever put your cookie Fringe
- 00:35:24ideas into operation he would say
- 00:35:27someday there will come a crisis and
- 00:35:30when crisis comes ideas that are lying
- 00:35:32around can move from The Fringe to the
- 00:35:34center in an instant
- 00:35:36I love quoting Freeman I imagine that
- 00:35:39when he hears his words in my mouth he
- 00:35:41looks up from that spit he's roasting on
- 00:35:43and gargles a curse at me around that
- 00:35:45red hot iron bar sticking out of his
- 00:35:46Jaws while the demons around him laugh
- 00:35:48and laugh
- 00:35:50and we are lurching from crisis to
- 00:35:52crisis and thus far we do the same thing
- 00:35:54with every crisis we do the same thing
- 00:35:56we did last time but harder and hope for
- 00:35:59a different outcome
- 00:36:00we need to start spreading good ideas
- 00:36:02lying around so that that next Crisis
- 00:36:04doesn't go to waste
- 00:36:06now I'm not a hacker I haven't written
- 00:36:08commercial software since the last
- 00:36:10century these days I run my mouth I
- 00:36:12write books my next book is called the
- 00:36:15internet con how to seize the means of
- 00:36:17computation it comes out in three weeks
- 00:36:18and it explains this stuff in detail but
- 00:36:21it's not my only book because I write
- 00:36:22when I'm anxious so I came at a lockdown
- 00:36:24with eight books uh
- 00:36:27there's two of them in the Dealer's room
- 00:36:29uh at the no starch press Booth the
- 00:36:31first one's a a hacker novel about the
- 00:36:34old good internet and the people who
- 00:36:36built it called red team Blues that's uh
- 00:36:38dedicated to Dan Kaminsky I finished it
- 00:36:40the week he died
- 00:36:42and then there's a book called thank you
- 00:36:44yeah
- 00:36:46one for Dan uh and then there's a book
- 00:36:48called show Point capitalism I wrote
- 00:36:49with my friend Rebecca Giblin about
- 00:36:51creative labor markets and how they were
- 00:36:53captured by big Tech and big content how
- 00:36:55to win them back I'm going to be at the
- 00:36:57no charge Booth from 2 30 to 3 30 if you
- 00:36:59want to come by and I can make your
- 00:37:00books non-returnable with a sharpie and
- 00:37:02you can ask me questions
- 00:37:04um but you don't have to buy a book or
- 00:37:06line up for that you can email me I'm
- 00:37:07Corey eff.org uh I've been with the eff
- 00:37:10since 2002 it's 21 years now
- 00:37:14and so
- 00:37:18I remember that old good internet and
- 00:37:21with my colleagues there we're fighting
- 00:37:23for a new good internet and so the last
- 00:37:25thing I'll say to you I don't know if
- 00:37:26we've got time for questions but the
- 00:37:27last thing I'll say to you is I hope
- 00:37:29that uh those of you who do support eff
- 00:37:31will continue to do so and I thank you
- 00:37:33for it and I hope that if you haven't
- 00:37:34looked too hard at eff yet that you
- 00:37:36figure out why so many people are
- 00:37:37wearing our swag at this Con and uh find
- 00:37:40out a little more and see if you can
- 00:37:42find in your heart to support us too so
- 00:37:44that's what I had to say to you today
- 00:37:45that's the plan thank you very much for
- 00:37:48coming and listening
- 00:37:49[Applause]
- 00:37:5610 minutes
- 00:37:58so we got we got 10 minutes
- 00:38:02a long rambling statement followed by
- 00:38:04what do you think of that as technically
- 00:38:06a question but it's not a good one
- 00:38:08um if anyone has questions I'm happy to
- 00:38:10take them
- 00:38:12uh sir
- 00:38:14shout and I'll repeat it back
- 00:38:24so the question is your booth start
- 00:38:26happening at company and you don't want
- 00:38:27to get sucked up by big companies you're
- 00:38:28avoiding VCS what can you what can you
- 00:38:30do well there's a whole class of stuff
- 00:38:32that economists call uh Ulysses Pact
- 00:38:35so um Ulysses you may know the story
- 00:38:37right Ulysses was a hacker he knew that
- 00:38:40if you sailed through the Sea of the
- 00:38:41sirens and you heard their song you
- 00:38:43would jump into the sea and that the
- 00:38:45sailors had a standard protocol for not
- 00:38:46being lured to their death they fill
- 00:38:48their weird ears with wax but Ulysses
- 00:38:51being a hacker he wanted to hear the
- 00:38:53song so he improvised the solution he
- 00:38:56said tie me to the mast
- 00:38:57and whatever I do don't untie me I want
- 00:39:00to hear the siren song and he did
- 00:39:02um a Ulysses pact is is when you
- 00:39:05anticipate a time in the future when you
- 00:39:06can reasonably assume that you will be
- 00:39:08weak and you take a step now to prevent
- 00:39:11yourself uh now while you're strong from
- 00:39:13giving into that weakness so you know
- 00:39:15you ever go on a diet and throw away all
- 00:39:17the Oreos that's a Ulysses pact and we
- 00:39:19have Ulysses packs in Tech right the the
- 00:39:22reason GPL and Creative Commons licenses
- 00:39:24and other free and open licenses are
- 00:39:26irrevocable is so when the day comes
- 00:39:28that your VC says all right hippie we
- 00:39:31went along with this [ __ ] open
- 00:39:32source stuff at the start but now you
- 00:39:34got to make a choice right we can pull
- 00:39:36the plug on you and you can put those
- 00:39:38150 people who quit their jobs to follow
- 00:39:40you into the startup out on the
- 00:39:42breadline and costing their kids uh
- 00:39:44college fund or you can put this Source
- 00:39:46back in the proprietary box you can say
- 00:39:48you know
- 00:39:50I would do it if I could but I can't I
- 00:39:53tied myself to the Mast and no one's
- 00:39:54going to untie me I have an irrevocable
- 00:39:56license on my code so the the answer to
- 00:39:59this is like not being strong right the
- 00:40:02answer to this is anticipating your
- 00:40:03weakness and taking steps now while you
- 00:40:06are strong while you are not stressed
- 00:40:07well you're not in those circumstances
- 00:40:09to ensure that you won't be tempted
- 00:40:12right the lesson of insidification is
- 00:40:15not that we have uniquely evil Tech
- 00:40:17leaders the lesson of insidification is
- 00:40:20that we have uniquely weak constraints
- 00:40:22on ordinary people that leads them into
- 00:40:24this absolutely Wicked course of action
- 00:40:27other questions I think we've got time
- 00:40:29for one more yes ma'am
- 00:40:52right
- 00:40:55so the question is like the the kind of
- 00:40:58fediversity validity kind of world of
- 00:41:01cool open federatable hard to capture
- 00:41:04services will they uh be able to find
- 00:41:07enduring success and I would say that
- 00:41:10I'm way more interested in their success
- 00:41:12than their enduring success because the
- 00:41:13whole point about Federated open
- 00:41:15Services is that they fail really
- 00:41:17gracefully right if like I remember
- 00:41:20trying to get X to work on my Linux box
- 00:41:22the fact that it doesn't exist anymore
- 00:41:23is fine right because we weren't locked
- 00:41:25in like if you if you have an old toilet
- 00:41:28seat iBook that you put X on and um and
- 00:41:31it's not like you have you can't you
- 00:41:33know put Wayland on now right like you
- 00:41:35you have the choice you can migrate
- 00:41:36right so I actually think it's I I am
- 00:41:39way more interested in those Services
- 00:41:41attaining however brief a success
- 00:41:43because they will they have a nice
- 00:41:44grease skid into the next open platform
- 00:41:47the next the next and what you know this
- 00:41:49often happens that we forget a lesson
- 00:41:50right we we put our rat poison for years
- 00:41:52we don't have any rats we take the rat
- 00:41:54poisons away rap toys in a way because
- 00:41:56who needs it right we haven't had rats
- 00:41:58for years and then there's rats
- 00:41:59everywhere we're like where these
- 00:42:00[ __ ] rats come from right we used to
- 00:42:02know that we needed open Platforms in
- 00:42:04the early days of the web we'd all we
- 00:42:05all remembered the hard lessons of
- 00:42:07CompuServe and Genie and AOL and then we
- 00:42:09forgot right and now we're learning
- 00:42:11those lessons again and so like we need
- 00:42:13to keep those lessons open the question
- 00:42:14of whether they can attain liftoff you
- 00:42:17know it's this hard equilibrium where uh
- 00:42:20if the existing services are so terrible
- 00:42:23that people are willing to endure the
- 00:42:25high switching cost of leaving their
- 00:42:27friends and everything that matters to
- 00:42:28them
- 00:42:29I mean yeah those those services are
- 00:42:31going to get a lot of users but it will
- 00:42:34be because we just let this like point
- 00:42:36of no return arrive which is actually
- 00:42:39not great like I would much rather make
- 00:42:41it easy to evacuate those Services you
- 00:42:44know by getting the European Union to
- 00:42:45mandate interop for them through the
- 00:42:47digital markets act then like wait for
- 00:42:49them to become so unbearable that even
- 00:42:52people for whom they are very important
- 00:42:54can no longer stay and end up in the
- 00:42:56federal verse like that I'm a committed
- 00:42:58fediverse user but like that's not how I
- 00:43:01want people on the platform I I want to
- 00:43:03minimize the amount of harm that people
- 00:43:05have to go through on the other hand you
- 00:43:07know let's not let the crisis go to
- 00:43:09waste if it does get that bad let's make
- 00:43:11sure we welcome them
- 00:43:13uh yeah last question
- 00:43:26intransigent
- 00:43:28yeah so the the question is the Biden
- 00:43:30Administration is the first
- 00:43:31Administration and two generations to to
- 00:43:33take antitrust seriously how do we how
- 00:43:36do we hurt the politicians who are
- 00:43:37standing in their way
- 00:43:38you know um there's an old joke from
- 00:43:41Ireland not an Irish joke a joke from
- 00:43:42Ireland whose punch line is if you
- 00:43:44wanted to get there I wouldn't start
- 00:43:45from here uh and um you know it's
- 00:43:49corollary is like the best time to have
- 00:43:51done something about corporate
- 00:43:52corruption and our politics was 40 years
- 00:43:54ago and the second best time is now it's
- 00:43:56going to be a slow process right like
- 00:43:57Chuck Schumer blocked the floor vote for
- 00:43:59the um the access act last uh last
- 00:44:02quarter and you know or last session
- 00:44:04it's going to be really hard to say well
- 00:44:06you know everybody should vote for Mitch
- 00:44:09McConnell to show Chuck Schumer you know
- 00:44:11what what he's uh what what he deserves
- 00:44:14I mean not least because it's not a
- 00:44:17plausible path right I mean even if you
- 00:44:19are not partisan in any way the number
- 00:44:21of Chuck Schumer voters who are going to
- 00:44:23become Mitch McConnell voters off the
- 00:44:24back of this is going to be very small
- 00:44:25and so you know I think a lot of this
- 00:44:28happens at the primary level it happens
- 00:44:30at the state level level it happens you
- 00:44:32know Larry lessig says that we have four
- 00:44:34forces Norms laws code and markets it
- 00:44:36happens at the normative level like I
- 00:44:38think all of us are the people that are
- 00:44:40the tech support Army for all the
- 00:44:42normies in our lives and like
- 00:44:45we've had this attitude that um well
- 00:44:48it's it's more important that it be easy
- 00:44:49so that you can use it than it be right
- 00:44:52and we all get that there's that that's
- 00:44:54not a completely indefensible position
- 00:44:56but that it also has limits right like
- 00:44:58your password just can't be password one
- 00:45:00two three on all your services no matter
- 00:45:02how hard you find it to use a password
- 00:45:04manager and maybe we need to move this
- 00:45:07question about uh big Tech Independence
- 00:45:09interop and so on out of the realm of uh
- 00:45:13things that are so much of a pain in the
- 00:45:15ass that you shouldn't bother this is
- 00:45:17just for for like us ninjas and not for
- 00:45:19you normies and maybe we need to do what
- 00:45:21we did with passwords and start talking
- 00:45:22about how we make it for for everybody
- 00:45:24they deserve it all right so uh 2 30 I'm
- 00:45:28going to be down in the Dealer's room at
- 00:45:30no starch come by corey80ff.org thank
- 00:45:33you all for coming
- 00:45:35[Music]
- 00:45:40exactly
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