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well the Cardinals call up Thomas to JC
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maybe that's the sign they're ready to
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play the kids except they sent down
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Victor Scott to do it oh boy what's
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going on everyone and welcome in to this
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edition of bsha daily Brendan Schaefer
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here with you Wednesday September 11th
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20124 as the Cardinals last night well
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laid another egg and it really does seem
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to be all over but the crying at this
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point when it comes to the Cardinals
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postseason hopes as they fall to the
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Reds 3 nothing it's another game where
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the Cardinal offense just doesn't get it
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going they're down to 500 once again
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they're 72 and 72 as of this recording
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on Wednesday
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afternoon and yeah there just doesn't
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seem to be a lot of momentum toward
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making a push down the stretch or 11
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games behind the Milwaukee Brewers I'll
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check the wild card standings as well uh
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feels a little fruitless but they are 6
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and a half behind a tie between the
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Braves and the Mets right now for that
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third wild card spot it really does seem
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like October baseball and it's going to
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be played without your St Louis
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Cardinals in 2024 and one of the raster
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moves that was announced or reported I
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guess I should say ahead of time by
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Robert Murray a fan sited earlier in the
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day on Tuesday that well Thomas the JC
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is getting the call up for the Cardinals
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the top prospect the infielder who can
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play some short can play some third can
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play some second has been playing a lot
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of Short Stop recently in Memphis
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getting ready for a potential
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opportunity at the big league level
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you'd have have to figure and now he
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makes that start yesterday at shortstop
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giving Mason win a day off but the way
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the Cardinals do it is by optioning
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Victor Scott II another top prospect
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back to Triple A so the notion of
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playing the kids is not maybe the one
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that the Cardinals are doing with both
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feet in and so we'll talk about that
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today on bsha daily as well as how
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Michael SE obviously plays into this
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because he's going to be getting that
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center field opportunity as he has been
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ahead of Victor Scott since he returned
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from injury just general philosophy on
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what the Cardinals are doing there and
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how we feel about things today that's
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enough about that let's get into the
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Cardinals conversation so Victor Scott
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the second is an exciting young Prospect
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the Cardinals called him back up they
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gave him some run he was looking a
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little bit better a little more
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confident at the plate uh we know what
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he's capable of doing in the field and
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then Michael canani comes back from his
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injury was out about a month maybe a
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little longer with that oblique and
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basically upon his return has assumed or
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reassumed really the everyday center
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field role for the Cardinals and for
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manager Olie marmel look the Cardinals
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like Michael canani and I know that this
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is a popular topic of conversation on
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social media right now because of the
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move to option Victor Scott II back to
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Memphis and this should be a time of
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year where you are getting the young
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players opportunities so that they're
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more prepared for next year right like
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that's the way a lot of people view this
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situation and understandably so because
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the Cardinals are out of it they're not
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going to make the playoffs I know six
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and a half games technically Anything
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could happen but you would need a
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Monumental Collapse by multiple teams in
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front of you in the Wild Card Standings
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coupled with the Cardinals just going on
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an absolute run so the odds of all of
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those things being stacked together it
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just seems very very unlikely that the
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Cardinal are going to make that move a
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lot of you guys have been on that boat
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for weeks and weeks at this point so
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that should not really come as a
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surprise to anybody but what does it
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mean for the way the Cardinals want to
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handle their roster and handle their
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lineups and make maybe even their
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pitching rotation the rest of the way uh
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well when you when you hear Hey Thomas
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toj is going to be called up I I guess
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the assumption is okay good they're
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going to you know maybe somebody needs
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an injury iil which is not a good thing
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but it's something that happens from
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time to time especially we saw it at the
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end of last season after we knew the
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Cardinals were out of it they started
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iing a bunch of guys for you know minor
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to moderate injuries and then that
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allowed for guys like say Mason wind on
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the stretch last season to get regular
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playing time of course and so you you
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think look the Cardinals are in maybe
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not the exact same scenario they've
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already won more games this year 72 than
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they did all of last season but it is
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similar in so much as well they didn't
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make the playoffs last year and you kind
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of figure that's the direction of this
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season as well so play the kids right
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and Thomas the JC I think has been
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knocking on the door of a of a promotion
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for quite a while his numbers really
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over the second half of the season have
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been great at Triple A when you look at
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the total numbers of a 751 Ops you know
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that's fine but when you look at the the
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recency of how he's been performing he
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had a torrid Pace in July where he had
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an Ops of 990 during the month of July I
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mean hit 349 for an average on base of
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400 almost slugging 600 he was at 590 on
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the slugging percentage during the month
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of July just fantastic numbers by um SJC
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and then you saw the month of August the
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power even uptick a little bit more as
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the batting average did back down he was
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still demonstrating power had seven home
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runs in August with a 771 Ops and then
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was around 800 in the 29 or so uh at
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bats that he got in September before the
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Cardinals call him up so really over the
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second half of the year he's been a much
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more potent threat than he was toward
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the beginning he seems to be coming into
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his own hitting 12 home runs since July
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1st and has 20 on the season so yeah it
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was time to see what SJC could do and
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they've been playing him a ton at
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shortstop that's his most prominent
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position this year in Triple A in terms
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of the playing time that he has gotten
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down there preparing him not to take
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over Mason Way's job but to have that be
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an opportunity and an option for the big
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league Cardinal because of course
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Brandon Crawford was in that role for a
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while it was a role that didn't have a
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ton of utility because of how often
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Mason wi is active and playing and so
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they figured yeah we don't really maybe
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need Crawford around with the production
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that he's giving but so JC could fill
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that role and could also back up second
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could back up third and lo and behold
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you might find a decent amount of
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playing time for Thomas Saji that was my
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opinion number of weeks ago when they
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they when they dumped Brandon Crawford
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and it's still my opinion and we'll see
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what what oi marmal is kind of able to
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do with those spots and and how often he
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could find Thomas the JC's name into
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those positions uh I think it's
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certainly worthwhile to get his feet
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under him a lot of people would make the
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claim though that the same should be
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said for Victor Scott because he did
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start to look a little bit more potent
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at the plate he did look a little more
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comfortable in the abats he was taking
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the numbers didn't really take off um
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you know I I'll find the game logs of
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Victor Scott II's second promotion
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remember he started the season with the
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team and then went back down for a while
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came back up upon the canani injury and
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did get a good amount of run from August
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the 5th to September the eth that's the
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the Run of his game logs but here's the
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numbers 222 average 259 on base and a
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370 slug in that spin couple of home
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runs for Victor Scott and 85 plate
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appearances that's a
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629 Ops 27 strikeouts in 85 plate
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appearances a k rate well above 30% um
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so while he did look better than he did
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at the beginning of the Season where
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when they they optioned him on April
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19th he had an 085 average and a 274 Ops
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um got into one game at rickwood field
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for a defensive replacement late and
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then was obviously sent back and only
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returned on August the 5th so the
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numbers for the season on Victor Scott
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he still only got an Ops of 478 he's
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hitting 164 I don't want to punish him
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for what happened in April though I
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think it was pretty clear he had some uh
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some growing yet to do and has made some
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strides in Triple A and then got the
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chance over the last month plus and it
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looked better six some OD you know 629
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Ops but not not the kind of numbers
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where you go well he's just got to be in
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there but if you're going to comp it to
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am Mason win which I think is fair I
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think I've excuse me I think I've told
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this story previously about at spring
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training asking Oli marmal do you see
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parallels to where Victor Skype II is at
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this point coming into this camp in 2024
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to where Mason win was a year ago and
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he's said he could see those parallels
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in terms of just the the Readiness and I
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think Victor Scott probably would have
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been better suited to get a call up
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later in the year than have to start
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with the team but he had a good spring
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they had a need in center field and they
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went for it I had no problem with it at
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the time I was advocating for it and it
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didn't work out you know I'm I'm not
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afraid to admit that but I think over
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the course of this year he's he's had
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some growth and then an opportunity to
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hit the ground running maybe for a
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September call up or as it happened in
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this case an August call up and then go
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from then to the the season and gain
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that growth even if it is just maybe a
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600 Ops because remember Mason wi last
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year hit like 150 his numbers at the big
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league level were not particularly
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strong over the final push of that
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season uh checking it out remember they
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they called him up and made sure that he
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was still going to have rookie
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eligibility uh with the amount of time
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that they that they used him a 172
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average and a 467 Ops that was Mason win
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last year for 137 plate appearances um
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122 at bats so he kept the rookie
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eligibility I think 150 uh if I'm not
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mistaken is the the threshold there
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where he would have lost it and now he's
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sort of tailing a a little bit off
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offensively down to a 728 Ops but that's
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night and day compared to what you saw
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from Mason win in the brief spell at the
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end of last season and I think you would
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be hardpressed to argue against the
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notion that Mason win truly benefited
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from getting those 137 plate appearances
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and playing in those 37 Big League games
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last year for a team that was going
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nowhere fast we knew those Cardinals
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weren't going to make the playoffs by
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the time September 1st or you know late
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August whatever it was for Mason wi when
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they finally called him up whenever time
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that rolled around we knew the deal we
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knew where the Cardinals were going and
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it was basically nowhere these Cardinals
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now are in a spot where they're going
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nowhere they're going to have more wins
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they're they're still straining to maybe
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have a 500 record because consecutive
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losing seasons in St Louis hasn't
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happened in in non-strike shortened or
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Co shortened Seasons since like the 50s
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or something insane like that so there
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is a point of Pride that to not have a
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losing season if they can avoid it but
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more than anything I think the
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organization would benefit from having a
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look at guys that could be contributing
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next year and getting them that key
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experience in Big League games you can't
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simulate that experience you can only
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have it when you have it to offer and
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there's a case to be made that they do
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right now with Victor Scott II they
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could play him they could they could
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have him up and they could play him
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every single day and maybe that could
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end up paying the type of dividends for
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him in 2025 that were paid toward Mason
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win in 2023 when he then came into 2024
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ready to be an everyday guy and he has
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by and large thrived in the role that
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he's been in I think Mason win is a
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present fixture and Mainstay and a
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future star for the Cardinals and and
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what he's going to be able to do in the
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years ahead so that was very beneficial
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to his game I totally understand where a
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lot of people are coming from and making
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the same comp to Victor Scott and saying
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well why is it that they're not willing
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to do that for him when he has shown the
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improvements from what it looked like in
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April to what it looked like in August
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in early September why would that not be
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something the Cardinals would look to
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prioritize and the answer right now
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appears to be Michael CI and I can
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understand the frustration with that
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because for a lot of people look canani
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was an afterthought as recently as this
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February he just wasn't really
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considered in the long-term plans of the
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organization he was a waiver claim that
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they added late in the 2023 season got a
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little bit of time but the team didn't
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really honestly know a lot about him I
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knew he was a glove first guy um but
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he's had some moments this year and
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obviously is a great bunter he's a base
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stealer he's a superb defensive center
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fielder um probably should be in the the
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Gold Glove running but I think he missed
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the cut off on the Innings total by the
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threshold that it needed to be so I
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don't think he's going to be in
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consideration for Gold Glove but to me
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he's one of the best outfielders
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defensively in baseball uh at the
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premium spot of center field so I
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understand wanting to get canani in
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there but cani and look he's not like an
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old crafty veteran canani just turned 25
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years old in July so he's a young player
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as well I think the public sentiment
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being very anti- Michel siani pertains
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to they everybody thinks they know what
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he is offensively they think he's
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nothing offensively he's at a 593 Ops
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this year uh he was really hitting his
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stride right before the injury uh for
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multi-month Pace had like a 275 batting
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average which is pretty solid doesn't
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hit for a ton of power has just two home
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runs on the season in 284 plate
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appearances to this point and the
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batting average on the season is 245 so
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light hitting still would definitely be
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an app description for Michael canani
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but what we've seen from him defensively
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and I think there had been some growth
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offensively this guy to me projects as
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somebody that I'd like to see on the
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Cardinals for a number of years ahead
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however I think to get him in the lineup
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every day and to be able to justify that
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on a competitive winning team I think
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the Ops has to at least start with a six
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and ideally it's more than 60 it's 620
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or 630 or 650 and then you're talking
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about pushing him toward Tommy Edmond
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territory offensively where Edmond's
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like a 700 Ops guy although I just saw
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he had a couple of home runs in one game
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for the Dodgers that's cool we knew that
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would happen I I said when the trade
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happened Tommy Edmond will have a big
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moment in the postseason for the Dodgers
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and I still maintain that it is not
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surprising to me at all to see Tommy
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Edmond have success uh he's a good
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player he wasn't healthy for a long long
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time now he is and he's playing really
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well and to me that's awesome to see but
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when you look at the situation for
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Michael canani I think he's a better
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Defender than Tommy Edmond in center
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field and
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maybe about the same as far as a base
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stealer um bunting is a very kind of low
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grade category of consideration but
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canani is better in that category
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offense is really what you're lacking
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with canani and because I think we saw a
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good bit of run for him where maybe it
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was the the babip batting average on
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balls in play luck going in his favor
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instead of maybe early on in the season
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it went against him can's numbers
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started to look better what does canani
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where you find your level eventually
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what's his level is it a 620 Ops is it a
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600 Ops is it closer to the 575 580 Ops
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where does that land um look I don't
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think Michael C is a 700 Ops guy over
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the course of a full Big League season
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and I think Victor Scott thei is is
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going to be I think he's got that
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potential to be I don't think he's that
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right now though either but again Mason
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wi was a 470 Ops for 137 plate
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appearances at the end of last season
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and then interest instantly I should say
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turn turned himself into a 720 Ops guy
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that he is right now he's he's Ops in
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728 he's a 270 hitter and his skills are
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I know he's struggling a little bit at
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the plate right now but his skills are
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undeniable and he's going to be a
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fixture for this team last 15 days
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Mason's hitting 163 with a
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461 Ops so he's definitely struggling a
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little bit right now but my point is
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like I don't want to read too much into
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the Victor Scott numbers as a reason to
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not play him because the numbers didn't
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matter like last year for Mason win and
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you saw how much of a benefit came from
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that my other thought though is like I
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am very much team Michael C I said I
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think he should be on the team long term
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but I don't know if you have to play
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Michael CI every day right now to
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demonstrate that you believe in him for
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next year um as a fourth outfielder or
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as somebody that could come into spring
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with a chance to to win the job over
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Victor Scott or whoever else is going to
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be competing there for center field the
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problem is both of these guys are
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left-handed and they play a very similar
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style of game I think that Victor Scott
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has higher offensive potential I think
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that right now canani might be the might
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be the better uh better offensive player
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like at this moment because I think he's
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he's got a little bit more acclimated to
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it Victor Scott I think is going to get
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there and has the higher upside if
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you're the Cardinal though as you're
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like okay how do we allocate this
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playing time down the stretch the the
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reason they're doing it the way they're
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doing it very well may be because they
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already know Victor Scott as part of
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their future and they might want to get
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as much of a look at canani as they can
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to determine all right is this somebody
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that we can showcase for a trade is this
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somebody that we keep around as a for
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down Fielder you know what do we end up
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doing because yes there is a redundancy
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there with Scott and canani I personally
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don't think you have to trade either of
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them but if canani plays well down the
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stretch and establishes that he's a
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pretty good piece maybe the Cardinals
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could get more out of him than you
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thought and that's the way that they
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decide to proceed and they move him or
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maybe it's well there's not a lot of
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value there but we do think he's got
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value to our team if Victor Scott is
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isn't ready and it it comes into Camp
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next year is hey it's Victor Scott's
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opportunity to to win the job if he can
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and if he doesn't he starts at Triple A
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which may be something that Victor Scott
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still needs in 2025 or you know he can
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start as as a a platoon or a time share
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doesn't really make sense as a platoon
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because they both hit left-handed with
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seani in center field with the big leag
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level like there's a lot of decisions I
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I think the guy that makes sense to look
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at is Victor Scott but I also understand
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that prior to maybe the last literally
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like the last handful of days
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there was still that argument that the
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Cardinals can try to win all their games
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and make the playoffs I think that's
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kind of gone the the L to the Reds is
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what did it to me when I'm like all
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right these Reds are pesky and you guys
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can't seem to get hits off of them
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certainly cannot seem to score off of
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them and even with the pitching being
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like you lose three nothing it's not
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really the the pitching that you put
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that game on to um Palante walks a bunch
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of guys that's what he does it doesn't
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bother me that he goes five innings
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three earned runs while walking five and
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allowing six hits that's 11 a lot more
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than three runs are going to score most
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of the time you give up 11 base runners
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um Palante also struck out six I'm still
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fine with Palante I'm fine with him for
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now I'm fine with him for next year as
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I'm doing this recording though the
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Cardinals announced that Lance Lynn has
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been activated from the injured list
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which we knew was coming because he was
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going to be Wednesday's starter
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regardless it's Roy Croft that is
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optioned to Memphis we won't have to
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spend a lot of time on that necessarily
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uh but just you know something to keep
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in mind uh as we're kind of talking our
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way through this team and and what they
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want to do down the stretch because
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Lance Lyn they're going to get a look at
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at him but is it for just he's a veteran
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so you you got to play him or is it well
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do we want to pick up this option for
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next year that we have on Lance ly how
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do we look at Palante how do we look at
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these guys that's happening in the
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pitching staff and in the rotation and
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the same that it's happening right now
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uh with this center field
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situation I think the way that I come
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down on this is Victor Scott's long-term
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part of the future they want to get a
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longer look almost at canani to see what
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his role could be and maybe to establish
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trade value I'm fine with playing canani
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though I would have liked to have seen
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all marmal when both were up actually
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play one in a corner uh and play the
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other in center field and maybe Jordan
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Walker is your right fielder and you can
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have just Elite defensive left and
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center field and kind of see the way
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that that looks but they're not really
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going to sit Lars Nar because the belief
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is that he's still a big part of their
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future as well which is he's a better
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offensive player than vikor Scott or
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Michael CI at this point so I I
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understand it um the truth of the matter
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is I I don't think you have to trade
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canani or Victor Scott I could see that
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there's going to be the impetus to do so
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make the trade that makes the team
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better don't make the trade just because
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you felt like you had to would be my
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kind of edict for the offseason but
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they've got other out like Burleson
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left-handed hitting outfielder maybe
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he's going to play first base we'll see
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what ends up happening with gold Schmid
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who's still performing pretty well uh
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was two for three with a walk in the
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game last night Newar what do they what
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is lar Newar is he going to ascend or is
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he going to kind of be in this kind of
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middle 730 Ops guy who you know you
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can't always count on to be in the field
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because he gets hurt a lot like what's
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what's a longrange view on Newar Jordan
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Walker what's what's the team going to
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do with him he's still kind of
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struggling but having some moments is he
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a fixture part of the future or are they
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going to miss the window with him and
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and not be able to trade him for value
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and maybe come back a couple years later
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and wish that they had or do they still
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believe in Jordan Walker who's still
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very young like there's a lot of spots
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on this Outfield group where you go
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there's a lot of different things they
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could do and one decision is going to
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lead to the next lead to the next
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they've got to they've got to plant
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their flag somewhere I do think an
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outfielder needs to be traded but you
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come into the off season going oh my
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gosh we got to trade an outfield because
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these are all guys that you'd like to
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think are valuable so you make the move
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that can maybe get you something that
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you need for something that you have
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extra of but you also have all these
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outfielders that none of them are really
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proven I'm counting Nar within that I'm
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counting Burleson within that like
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they're having okay Seasons newars had
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good seasons in the past but who are the
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fixtures that you're going to build
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around if you're the Cardinals I think
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that's what needs to be decided they
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might already think that Victor Scott is
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one of them um it's just and maybe look
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he he could come back up in a couple of
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who knows maybe he'll still get some run
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in the big leagues before the end of the
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season but clearly they want to get a
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look at Michael siani I think oi marmal
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he still makes out the lineups and so he
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wants to continue to see Michael C
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because he trusts him out there um there
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is still the implication of look we know
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there's going to be changes in the org
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but Alli MML is under contract has he
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gotten the assurances of like look play
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your lineup that we think you know is
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going to help us win but also help us
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develop because you should still be
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caring about both things as the guy
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who's going to be managing the team in
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2025 when we do technically have a a
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chance to make the playoffs like those
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are sort of the things that you wonder
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how how much you know input is being had
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from the front office places and maybe
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the answer is not very much they trust
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Allie to do his job but when they see
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he's choosing cani over Victor Scott
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every day and not mixing it up at all
00:22:45
then it's like all right we got to make
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sure this this kid gets some playing
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time and look a decision that sounds
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weird in the moment is still going to be
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explained in a way that sounds like it
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makes sense from the organizational
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perspective and they said they believed
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that even with Victor Scott not playing
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him getting the instruction and
00:22:59
practicing on his Outfield routes and
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everything like that before games was
00:23:04
better than him actually playing at the
00:23:06
minor league level and getting at bats
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in everyday playing time that was the
00:23:09
way that the organization described it
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and then obviously a few days later they
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optioned him so you know was that the
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truth was that not the truth maybe
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sometimes it's just the way to explain
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something maybe there's a little bit of
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Truth to both like yes there is benefit
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to this instruction but there's only so
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many days in a row that it can benefit
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you before it's like okay now go down
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and try to implement it the best you can
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in game action game speed at the minor
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league level not going to be the same as
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at the major league level but you're
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just kind of working through with the
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the best of what you got right now I
00:23:36
think is where the Cardinals are at with
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some of these things so you guys let me
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know on the the Victor Scott versus
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Michael seani decision um I I think
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Scott's role is if he comes into spring
00:23:47
next year and thrives he's going to have
00:23:49
a spot and he's going to play a bunch
00:23:50
whereas canani they they might be
00:23:52
showcasing for trade they might be
00:23:54
trying to figure out still what do they
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make of him and is their value there and
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is there somebody
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um you know is that somebody that's just
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going to be a fourth outfielder because
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I think he could be very valuable in
00:24:03
that role could play any of the Outfield
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spots can taken at bat late Off the
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Bench but obviously the the bat is not a
00:24:11
strong suit of his game so defensive
00:24:13
replacement Off the Bench but we're
00:24:14
thinking in terms of a winning team a
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team that's trying to make the playoffs
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I think he's got a very nice role as a
00:24:19
you know a down bench guy on one of
00:24:21
those teams but for this Cardinal team
00:24:23
maybe not as much utility for what
00:24:25
Michael C is bringing unless he's in the
00:24:27
everyday lineup helping pitching staff
00:24:29
with his great defense um I like both
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players I don't think the Cardinals have
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to trade one or the other injuries do
00:24:34
happen but I understand where the
00:24:36
sentiment coming from about man this is
00:24:38
a team that right now should be getting
00:24:39
into the mode of uh looking ahead to
00:24:41
next year and Victor Scott playing the
00:24:43
way that Mason wi de did down the
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stretch last year would probably be a
00:24:46
big benefit to his future but it's not
00:24:49
the decision the cardal are making at
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this point in time let me know in the
00:24:52
comments below what you guys think about
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that and we'll go down on the farm real
00:24:55
quick before we get out of here because
00:24:56
I want to tell you what Michael McGreevy
00:24:58
did did in his most recent
00:25:01
appearance it's time to go down on the
00:25:04
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appreciate you guys for your support of
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down on the farm all season long let's
00:25:21
talk about Memphis and Michael
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McGreevy a 5 to3 win for the Red Birds
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over the Nashville Sounds yesterday at
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that beautiful beautiful ballpark in
00:25:29
Nashville I love that Park I've been
00:25:30
there it's a great time Michael mcgrey
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five innings three runs allowed they
00:25:34
were all earned allowed seven hits and a
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couple of walks for strikeouts would
00:25:38
love to see McGreevy get a start at the
00:25:40
big league level before the season is
00:25:42
over but we'll see if there's room for
00:25:44
that because you're penciling Lance ly
00:25:46
back into the rotation that makes six
00:25:48
now as it is what will they do with
00:25:49
Plante we know that they've already kind
00:25:51
of shuffled Steven Matt into the bullpen
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which I think is more than fine you kind
00:25:54
of already know what you have in him and
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the decision should not be based on you
00:25:58
know whatever happens between now and
00:26:00
the end of the season on the Steven mats
00:26:02
front so I I think that's a reasonable
00:26:04
way to go about it but me mcgrey look
00:26:06
his numbers haven't been unbelievable
00:26:08
but they' been pretty good in Triple A
00:26:10
and we saw him look really really good
00:26:12
once in the big leagues and so you'd
00:26:16
like to think that the Cardinals could
00:26:17
find a way to reward that and maybe get
00:26:20
him back up here one more time before
00:26:22
the end of the season so we'll have to
00:26:24
see if that ends up happening uh 7 to3
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the Springfield Cardinals got the win
00:26:28
over the San Antonio Missions and there
00:26:32
was not a lot really to write home about
00:26:35
that game uh Jimmy Crooks our catcher
00:26:37
down there that we like to talk about
00:26:38
was one for three also walked and he's
00:26:42
got a 321 average with a 915 Ops I think
00:26:44
Memphis will definitely be the spot for
00:26:46
him next year comar was the starting
00:26:48
pitcher did a nice job seven and two3
00:26:50
innings three runs allow with seven
00:26:53
strikeouts but that's kind of look at
00:26:55
the farm real quick before we go
00:26:56
appreciate you guys as always for
00:26:58
listening that is going to do it for
00:26:59
this edition of B shave daily and we'll
00:27:01
talk to you next time on the show peace
