Trust Based Sales W/ Ari Galper

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BdjAb9khR0

الملخص

TLDRIn this engaging podcast episode, Ari Galper introduces his method of trust-based selling, an approach that has been evolving over the past 20 years. He explains how traditional sales techniques, such as pushing to close deals or hounding potential clients with follow-up calls, often create resistance and mistrust. Instead, Galper advocates for building deeper relationships by focusing on trust and having authentic conversations from the start. Galper recounts a career-defining moment where he inadvertently discovered the truth behind a client's enthusiasm during a sales call. This pivotal experience taught him that many prospects won’t be truthful if they feel pressured, leading to his development of a sales strategy centered around genuine trust-building. He stresses the importance of asking open-ended questions like "Where do you think we should go from here?" to allow prospects to guide the conversation and feels that getting to the truth should be the primary objective of any sales discussion. Galper concludes by highlighting that industries with high-margin, low-volume, and high-trust transactions can greatly benefit from his approach. He shares insights on replacing certain sales scripts to foster more genuine interactions and thus enhance conversion rates. The podcast ends by touching on the accessible resources authored by him, inviting listeners to delve deeper into his methods.

الوجبات الجاهزة

  • 🔑 Focus on building trust, not just closing the sale.
  • ❌ Eliminate sales pressure for more genuine interactions.
  • 🛠️ Use alternative phrases like "any feedback" instead of "follow-up."
  • 🙋‍♂️ Allow clients to guide the sales conversation.
  • 🕵️‍♀️ Identify the client's true needs early on.
  • 📚 Leverage Ari's insights from "Unlock The Sales Game."
  • 🤝 Relationship-building should happen post-sale for authenticity.
  • 📈 Best suited for high-margin, high-trust industries.
  • 👂 Encourage truthfulness from prospects by reducing salesy behaviors.
  • 📞 Train to focus on trust-building within each sales call.

الجدول الزمني

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The episode begins with host Josh introducing Ari Galper, a specialist in trust-based selling. Ari explains his unique approach to sales, focusing on building deep trust to avoid the common pitfalls of chasing prospects and playing traditional sales games.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Ari shares his journey into trust-based selling, detailing a previous experience as a sales manager that led him to this approach. He recounts a significant sales call where he inadvertently overheard the prospective client's true, negative intentions, highlighting the common issue of prospects not being honest with salespeople.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Ari reflects on this experience, noting that it's common for prospects to mislead salespeople due to the inherent pressure in sales calls. He emphasizes the importance of building trust and removing pressure to get prospects to be truthful and forthcoming about their needs and intentions.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Ari introduces the concept of trust-based selling by discussing the need to clear common myths about sales, such as the belief that sales is solely a numbers game. He argues that success comes from building trust and going deeper in conversations, rather than making more contacts.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Ari further challenges the idea that rejection is just a part of sales, suggesting instead that rejection results from salespeople’s unconscious behaviors. Josh expresses his disdain for traditional sales tactics and his appreciation for Ari's approach, as it aligns with his own frustrations.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Ari shares insights into trust-based languaging, emphasizing the need to diffuse pressure during sales calls by inviting prospects to decide the next steps. This approach is designed to elicit truthful responses and reduce the common sales pressure that prospects sense.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Josh seeks Ari's advice on refining his sales approach. Ari commends Josh's honesty and advises staying authentic. He further explains the importance of letting clients reveal their truth by focusing on their problems rather than pushing towards closing a sale.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    The discussion turns to transforming sales strategies, where Ari advises against traditional sales behaviors and scripting that lead to superficial relationships. He stresses clarity in understanding client problems and differentiates between relationship building and trust building in sales.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Ari recounts a seminar where he demonstrated his method by cold-calling a difficult client and succeeding in re-establishing a connection. The story illustrates the effectiveness of apologizing and acknowledging past mistakes to rebuild trust with clients.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:54:01

    The conversation wraps up with Ari sharing the importance of not relying on typical sales metrics and focusing instead on the quality of the interaction. He explains how to transform a sales team's mindset to align with trust-based principles to increase success rates.

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فيديو أسئلة وأجوبة

  • Who is Ari Galper?

    Ari Galper is a specialist in trust-based selling, focusing on building deep trust in the sales process.

  • What is trust-based selling?

    Trust-based selling is a sales approach focused on building trust and removing pressure from the sales process.

  • Why is it important to remove pressure from the sales process?

    Removing pressure allows potential clients to feel comfortable, leading to honest communication and trust-building.

  • What happened in Ari's past sales experience with a big company?

    Ari was shocked to find out a potential client used him for information while planning to buy from a cheaper competitor.

  • What phrase does Ari suggest eliminating from sales vocabulary?

    Ari suggests eliminating the phrase "follow-up" and using "any feedback" instead.

  • What is the main goal of trust-based selling according to Ari?

    The main goal is to get to the truth about a client's situation and intentions, not just to make a sale.

  • How should salespeople handle the end of a call with potential clients?

    Salespeople should ask, "Where do you think we should go from here?" to allow clients to drive the process.

  • What industries benefit most from trust-based selling?

    Industries with high-margin, low-volume, and high-trust deals benefit the most from trust-based selling.

  • What book has Ari Galper written?

    Ari Galper has written "Unlock The Sales Game," focusing on trust-based selling principles.

  • How can one contact Ari Galper?

    You can visit unlockthegame.com or connect with Ari on LinkedIn.

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التمرير التلقائي:
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    good day everybody welcome to the deal
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    scout on today's show we're gonna have a
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    conversation with a guy across the pond
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    across the world
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    from sydney
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    welcome to the show good sir
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    thank you josh appreciate it looking
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    forward to it yeah so why don't you tell
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    us you know who you are and what you do
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    sure my name is ari galper and i
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    specialize in a unique field called
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    trust based selling
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    and i've been in this space for the last
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    20 years kind of leading leading the
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    charge on how to build deep trust in the
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    sales process so you don't have to chase
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    deals chase people chase ghosts and play
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    that sales game everybody hates so much
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    so it's can hopefully today's going to
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    be very uh cathartic for people who are
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    in that mode
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    chasing these people who never call them
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    back
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    very cool so this is this is going to be
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    great for our community of deal makers
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    like this show all we talk about
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    are people and deals and you know i love
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    god family deals like so if all i get to
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    do is hang out with people do some cool
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    deals you know then then i have the the
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    dream of you know of this world right
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    like i love my job so
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    in in my job as a deal maker sales is
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    crucial right
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    and uh so i would love to hear your
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    thoughts on how you got into this world
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    of you know writing books and teaching
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    this to the world so kind of walk us
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    through your your story let us hear how
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    you got started in this
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    sure so about 20 years ago i was a sales
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    manager a software company and i managed
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    my 18 sales people underneath me and we
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    lost the first online website tracking
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    tools now it's called google analytics
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    you probably heard of that but uh it was
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    actually free back then we lost that a
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    while ago
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    and i was in charge of the big
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    opportunities that came across the
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    company's lead flow and this one deal
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    came across
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    our our company got to me i called the
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    lead back and um huge opportunity big
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    company nice guy he's like hey i would
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    love to see a demo i was like great so
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    we scheduled a call to show them a live
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    demo if i close this one sale it would
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    double the revenue the company in one
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    transaction that's how big it was it was
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    huge so the day finally came friday four
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    o'clock in the afternoon three o'clock
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    or four o'clock and i'm in the in the
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    conference room with my ceo at closed
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    door behind me there's a big long
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    conference table in front of us on the
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    tables the old school speaker phones you
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    know the three legs on it star trek
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    and uh i dial the dial tone hit the
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    speaker phone on and dial the number
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    he's like hey ari how's it going i said
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    good good
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    and he's like great let us tell you
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    who's on the line with us today
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    i was like oh didn't realize there's
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    anybody else there next thing i hear is
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    my name is mike i'm ceo i'm like oh this
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    is good my name is john i'm head of
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    global i.t this is even better my name
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    is julian head of marketing oh perfect i
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    mean everybody on this call
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    they were all decision makers like if
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    it's going to happen on this deal it's
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    going to happen now they are all there
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    so i was like oh this is really good so
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    i introduced myself to everyone explain
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    what we do then i we logged in and gave
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    a live demo of our product on one of
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    their websites we collected ahead of
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    time to show them what looks like log in
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    and see this stuff in real time this is
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    this is like 20 years ago and so they're
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    logging in and i'm looking showing this
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    to them and walking through everything
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    and i started this noise on a phone call
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    like wow this is great this is amazing
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    they start asking me all kinds of
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    questions you know how does it work how
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    do we install it what's technology
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    behind it who your clients and of course
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    i had all the answers i was competent
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    technically i was a student of sales at
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    the time i had books in my shelves at
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    home i was reading i went to the
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    seminars for the gurus you know
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    the university on wheels days you know
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    you put the cd in there you just listen
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    on your way to work
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    free podcasting and um
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    so look i was wasn't aggressive i was
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    friendly and there was so much chemistry
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    on this phone call it was like
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    a love fest on the phone
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    you know what i'm talking about yeah man
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    it feels good like you're a great
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    storyteller by the way you're a girl
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    like i'm captivated hearing you chat
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    about this keep going what happened
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    i'll tell you it was like no resistance
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    it was like this is magical like it's
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    just me it's perfect fit and they're
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    asking me all kinds of questions i'm
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    answering the answers and they're
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    they're they're excited and the call
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    goes by hour later they're pumped up
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    they're like all right we love this and
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    at the end of the call my guy's like all
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    right this is great look give us a call
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    a couple weeks follow up with us and
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    move we'll move this thing forward i'm
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    like ah
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    thank you god this is like the dream
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    come true i said my goodbyes i took my
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    arm and my hand and i reached for the
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    speakerphone as i'm reaching for the off
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    button i by a complete accident i hit
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    the mute button
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    instead of the off button they were like
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    right next to each other and i kind of
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    hit the wrong button and a small click
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    happened
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    and they thought i hung up the phone
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    in that split second a voice inside of
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    me says ari
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    go to the dark side be a fly in the wall
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    go where no one's ever gone before in
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    the world of sales and i pulled my thumb
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    back for a couple seconds they started
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    talking amongst themselves
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    thinking i left the car
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    there's a there's an internal dilemma
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    that just happens there right ari
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    absolutely and this is not a trick
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    question but what do you suppose what
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    would you imagine they would have said
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    after they thought i hung up the phone
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    what would you imagine after call i
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    thought they'd be saying amongst
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    themselves so i mean the skeptic in me
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    or the critical person they could be
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    like oh man this is you know we could do
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    this on our own you know like we could
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    easily build this out you know or it
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    could go the other way hey this is great
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    let's let's undercut this so let's see
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    how cheap we could do it or
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    hey we're about to roll out this product
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    you know we he just told us their sales
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    process
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    yeah yeah so you'd expect fairly
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    positive things i mean it was an hour
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    has gone by with amazing feedback
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    so i expected things like hey this is
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    great let's discuss it like something
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    positive
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    i was hoping for but let me say what i
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    heard word for word yeah
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    they said this they said and i know only
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    i forget why we're all here today they
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    said
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    we're not going to go with him
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    keep using him for more information
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    and make sure we shop someplace else
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    cheaper
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    cool knife in heart twist i was shocked
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    in a state
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    of shock
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    i was like what after all that and i i
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    kind of hit hit the off button little
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    the wall said to myself what did i do
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    wrong i was competent i was enthusiastic
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    i was passionate i had all the answers i
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    did everything i was supposed to do
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    to make something happen in the sales
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    arena in the sales book i buy the book
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    man i was just it was right on and i
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    asked myself this question
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    and i realized this it has become
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    socially acceptable not to tell the
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    truth
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    to people who sell
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    right
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    it's okay to say things like sounds good
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    yeah send me information oh we're
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    definitely interested hold on send us a
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    what a proposal
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    without any intention
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    of
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    executing
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    i was like what is going on here and
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    then i asked myself why weren't they
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    afraid to just tell me the truth
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    i'd be okay with that and i realized
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    what's going on out there is there's a
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    game going on this visible river
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    pressure that flows underneath every
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    chat you have with a potential prospect
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    or client
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    and if you don't remove that pressure
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    from the process that they can feel from
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    you or in that process underneath the
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    conversation they will always have their
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    guard up they'll only give you just
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    enough a few bread crumbs to get you
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    excited but they'll never tell you the
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    truth
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    and i realize if i can shift that whole
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    mindset away from the end goal of the
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    sale and focus on deep trust building
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    and building what i call a mobile
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    vulnerability where they feel
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    comfortable opening up to you and
  • 00:07:40
    telling the truth then you can craft the
  • 00:07:42
    code in this thing and really double all
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    your results that became my whole
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    premise behind unlock the game oh see
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    that's interesting so let's do
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    confession time right so we're in a
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    confessional booth and i get to come in
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    i go you know bless me for i've sinned
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    right don't i don't even know what they
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    say in those confessional boots but like
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    i have done that being a sales guy i
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    hate when people do that to me just tell
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    me hey josh too expensive nah i don't
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    trust you you suck
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    or you know we're going with someone
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    else like be honest with me that tire
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    kick and i've done that so i have a
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    confession and i repent
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    i have done that to sales people even
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    though
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    i hate it when they do it to me
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    yeah we do you we everyone does it
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    because
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    we are defensive
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    and we have our guard up
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    because we don't trust people
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    who exude or use or exhibit any type of
  • 00:08:33
    sales behaviors that everyone already
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    hates yeah and see we're so conditioned
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    from the 80s to do typical sales stuff
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    which we'll talk about today that that
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    we're unconsciously unaware of
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    that causes us to be connected to that
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    stereotype and it'll blow people away
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    when i share those insights today but
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    like oh my god and it's amazing how
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    we're sleepwalking right now these deals
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    and sales thinking that we're trying to
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    pursue something and chasing ghosts who
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    never call us back we're like what's
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    going on here yeah i'll tell you oh my
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    gosh this is so good i'm a sales guy i
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    love sales i think it's like it
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    energizes me it's fun you're doing
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    something together you're creating a
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    partnership so like a lot of people
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    don't like sales i
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    i love sales right it's fun for me it's
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    a it's a it's a game it's an adventure
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    it's a relationship it's what i was
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    built to do
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    but
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    there's still this
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    this
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    this
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    this taste that i have in my mouth
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    sometimes when it's not done right
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    whether i'm doing it or someone's doing
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    it to me and it grosses me out and it's
  • 00:09:38
    probably what you're going to share the
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    typical stuff from the 80s that you that
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    you've seen like
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    pull back the veil let us see what you
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    see
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    sure so
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    look i think the best way to do this is
  • 00:09:50
    to really clean the mental hard drive
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    out and cover some of the core myths
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    that i think a lot of us still carry
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    with us over the years like one is this
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    is a classic one you know this one
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    pretty well which is sales is a numbers
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    game
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    right yeah cause the more contacts you
  • 00:10:05
    make supposedly the more sales you make
  • 00:10:08
    well we discovered this economy now it's
  • 00:10:10
    not about how many contacts you make
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    anymore it's about how deep you go on
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    each conversation meaning how good you
  • 00:10:17
    are trust building not how many contacts
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    you're making
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    the other myth is this idea of the sales
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    loss at the end of the process and i'm
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    sure you've been there before you had a
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    deal pending and all look good green
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    light green light at the end it just
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    like disappeared on you like fell
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    through like well they're like we're not
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    gonna move forward we're like you're
  • 00:10:32
    like what
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    but we discovered now the sale is not
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    lost anymore at the end of the process
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    it's now lost at the beginning at hello
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    and i'll prove it to you right now in a
  • 00:10:42
    fun way yeah if someone calls your
  • 00:10:44
    office tomorrow morning and you pick the
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    phone and you hear hi
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    my name is
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    i'm with
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    we are a what goes through your mind
  • 00:10:52
    about three seconds click
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    it's over at hello and i'm not
  • 00:10:57
    suggesting your people are making
  • 00:10:58
    outbound calls maybe they are but i'll
  • 00:11:00
    make the case today the most your deals
  • 00:11:02
    are being lost not at the end of the
  • 00:11:04
    process they're being lost where in the
  • 00:11:07
    beginning at the beginning yeah
  • 00:11:09
    yeah
  • 00:11:10
    the best way to get a hang up from me
  • 00:11:12
    and i'm a nice guy i love people and
  • 00:11:13
    every once while i'll listen to it
  • 00:11:15
    because i feel bad
  • 00:11:17
    because i feel bad
  • 00:11:18
    that's the only reason i'm doing it but
  • 00:11:21
    i i hate being
  • 00:11:22
    cold called even though
  • 00:11:24
    some people would argue it works do you
  • 00:11:26
    think cold calling works
  • 00:11:29
    it works if you're not doing it the
  • 00:11:30
    wrong way
  • 00:11:33
    all right give us some more stuff from
  • 00:11:35
    the 80s that doesn't work but the other
  • 00:11:36
    one the classic ones this one that
  • 00:11:38
    rejection is part of the game you can't
  • 00:11:42
    take a no if you're not thick-skinned
  • 00:11:45
    if you don't you can't take a hit every
  • 00:11:46
    once in a while you're not made for
  • 00:11:48
    success you know remember the old sales
  • 00:11:49
    manager said hey get back out there
  • 00:11:52
    don't just can't take a no get a few
  • 00:11:54
    more yeses you'll get some like that
  • 00:11:56
    whole thing is just so archaic because
  • 00:11:58
    we discovered that rejection
  • 00:12:01
    is
  • 00:12:02
    triggered
  • 00:12:03
    by certain things you do unconsciously
  • 00:12:05
    it causes them to push back on you we're
  • 00:12:08
    the problem not them and i'm gonna walk
  • 00:12:10
    you through some of those today which
  • 00:12:11
    would be a lot of fun yeah so
  • 00:12:15
    i this is how i handle rejection and
  • 00:12:17
    this probably isn't healthy
  • 00:12:20
    right so if i'm if i'm working with a
  • 00:12:21
    potential client you know potential
  • 00:12:23
    partner that i'm gonna go hunt for and
  • 00:12:25
    do some deals with if they say no
  • 00:12:28
    and this might not be healthy maybe it's
  • 00:12:30
    a competitor to me the first thing that
  • 00:12:32
    goes through my head is i'll just go
  • 00:12:34
    work with your competitor then i'll show
  • 00:12:36
    you that's right maybe that's like the
  • 00:12:38
    immature like middle school boy in me
  • 00:12:41
    just going i'll show you i'll go get
  • 00:12:42
    your competitor and we'll do 10 10 000
  • 00:12:44
    you know 10 million deals or whatever so
  • 00:12:47
    that's is that is that happening that's
  • 00:12:49
    the fight or flight reaction of us react
  • 00:12:51
    to this middle ground there yeah all
  • 00:12:54
    right so keep all right keep walking us
  • 00:12:55
    through coach me because you know like i
  • 00:12:58
    i'm always trying to you know i did the
  • 00:13:00
    university on wheels with zig ziglar
  • 00:13:02
    back in the day and i'm always trying to
  • 00:13:03
    learn and grow kind of coach me as you
  • 00:13:05
    coach our audience too
  • 00:13:07
    okay so let me give you a couple like
  • 00:13:10
    core examples of our core principles
  • 00:13:12
    behind our system
  • 00:13:14
    uh on trust based selling and one of
  • 00:13:16
    them is this idea of always be diffusing
  • 00:13:19
    pressure taking pressure out of
  • 00:13:21
    the sales process let me give you
  • 00:13:23
    example this is we developed our own
  • 00:13:24
    body work around what we call
  • 00:13:26
    trust-based languaging words or phrases
  • 00:13:28
    that replace sales scripts make things
  • 00:13:30
    more natural to build trusts here's
  • 00:13:32
    things
  • 00:13:33
    let's say in a phone call was a prospect
  • 00:13:36
    and the first call great conversation
  • 00:13:38
    good chemistry they could be a good fit
  • 00:13:40
    with you you're excited and the call
  • 00:13:42
    kind of comes to a close of your first
  • 00:13:43
    call
  • 00:13:44
    what do we normally say to someone end
  • 00:13:46
    up call like that that's not a true
  • 00:13:47
    question what do you normally say to
  • 00:13:48
    someone when the calls come to the end
  • 00:13:49
    and it's looking good and you say we say
  • 00:13:51
    stuff like what how about we
  • 00:13:54
    let's schedule another call or what's
  • 00:13:55
    the next step exactly we are conditioned
  • 00:13:58
    to move things where
  • 00:14:00
    to the next step forward towards the
  • 00:14:02
    sale that's how we've been taught to do
  • 00:14:03
    things but what happens if you try and
  • 00:14:05
    move somebody forward the beginning they
  • 00:14:07
    aren't ready yet what do you break with
  • 00:14:09
    them right there early in the process
  • 00:14:10
    trust
  • 00:14:11
    exactly so same scenario good chemistry
  • 00:14:15
    good opportunity call comes through
  • 00:14:16
    close our our mindset our languaging
  • 00:14:19
    rather than saying hey how about we
  • 00:14:22
    schedule a call have a meeting whatever
  • 00:14:24
    here's what we say we say
  • 00:14:27
    where
  • 00:14:28
    do you think
  • 00:14:29
    we should go
  • 00:14:30
    from here
  • 00:14:37
    and i'll say again where do you think we
  • 00:14:40
    should go from here
  • 00:14:44
    so
  • 00:14:45
    this is really good
  • 00:14:47
    i
  • 00:14:48
    i would love to as we're doing this and
  • 00:14:50
    i think that this would be helpful for
  • 00:14:51
    our fellow deal makers i would love to
  • 00:14:53
    share what i say and then maybe you can
  • 00:14:55
    help me craft it make it better okay so
  • 00:14:57
    we'll have we'll have some fun right
  • 00:14:58
    we'll role play so
  • 00:15:00
    i typically go hey i'd
  • 00:15:02
    and i'm honest about this like i don't
  • 00:15:04
    know if this is going to work for you i
  • 00:15:05
    turned down the client the other day
  • 00:15:06
    because i'm like
  • 00:15:07
    you're doing great you don't need me
  • 00:15:09
    but i typically go i don't know if this
  • 00:15:11
    is going to be good for you let me just
  • 00:15:12
    share some of the things that i do and
  • 00:15:14
    then you let me know which one you would
  • 00:15:17
    want to explore more
  • 00:15:19
    so is that kind of dissimilar or yeah
  • 00:15:21
    that's that's that's that work look my
  • 00:15:23
    my concept is if things are working for
  • 00:15:26
    you
  • 00:15:27
    don't change
  • 00:15:28
    yeah the stuff is not working for you is
  • 00:15:31
    the stuff i can help you with which is
  • 00:15:32
    i'm chasing numbers i'm chasing ghosts
  • 00:15:35
    they're not calling me back where i'm
  • 00:15:36
    wasting time on these calls that's the
  • 00:15:38
    kind of stuff we can fix but that sounds
  • 00:15:40
    nice that's the way you say it sounds
  • 00:15:42
    beautiful so keep doing what you're
  • 00:15:43
    doing there but
  • 00:15:45
    if you say to somebody where do you
  • 00:15:47
    think we should go from here
  • 00:15:50
    they're usually in a state
  • 00:15:52
    of
  • 00:15:53
    shock yeah they can't believe somebody
  • 00:15:56
    in business would actually ask them what
  • 00:15:58
    they want to do and when you say to them
  • 00:16:00
    that they usually say things like oh
  • 00:16:02
    i've got one more question or what about
  • 00:16:04
    that you know what comes out the truth
  • 00:16:06
    and that is your goal with us your goal
  • 00:16:08
    is the truth of their situation not the
  • 00:16:10
    end goal of the sale when you get there
  • 00:16:12
    with people in your presence they just
  • 00:16:14
    open up to you and all comes out early
  • 00:16:16
    on
  • 00:16:17
    one of my coaches uh he says i'm not
  • 00:16:19
    much but i'm all i think about right
  • 00:16:22
    and in this sale the only thing i'm
  • 00:16:24
    looking up at my board right now and i
  • 00:16:26
    have a goal
  • 00:16:27
    [Laughter]
  • 00:16:28
    right i have a deal board huge board up
  • 00:16:30
    on the wall and i have a goal
  • 00:16:32
    so when i'm talking to someone and it's
  • 00:16:34
    right in front of my eyes even though
  • 00:16:36
    i'm talking to them i'm looking at my
  • 00:16:38
    goal right
  • 00:16:40
    gosh darn it like i i'm focused on me
  • 00:16:42
    not them but if you can still be
  • 00:16:44
    ambitious you can still have your goals
  • 00:16:46
    never lose that but you're not allowed
  • 00:16:49
    to transfer that to them in the
  • 00:16:50
    conversation i do that all the time
  • 00:16:53
    of course and that's where you end up
  • 00:16:54
    possibly playing a lot of the numbers
  • 00:16:57
    game process where you're having lots of
  • 00:16:58
    conversations some work out some don't
  • 00:16:59
    see in our world
  • 00:17:02
    our clients have a hundred percent
  • 00:17:05
    conversion
  • 00:17:07
    over the phone
  • 00:17:10
    of those people that are qualified and
  • 00:17:11
    they are their ideal fit
  • 00:17:13
    meaning there's no next steps there's no
  • 00:17:15
    follow-ups no hey i'll give you a call
  • 00:17:17
    this week let's have a chat there's none
  • 00:17:18
    of that sales stuff you know this is
  • 00:17:20
    this stuff like remember the old school
  • 00:17:21
    stuff like
  • 00:17:22
    you got to build a relationship with
  • 00:17:25
    them they got to like you and know you
  • 00:17:27
    and you know how we do that the first
  • 00:17:29
    call hey how's it going nice to meet you
  • 00:17:30
    where are you from you know how we do
  • 00:17:32
    with laden kind of think in the
  • 00:17:33
    beginning with people yeah and of course
  • 00:17:34
    they don't want to become your friend no
  • 00:17:36
    they don't they they do want to solve
  • 00:17:38
    their problem but we're so used to this
  • 00:17:39
    whole hey how's it going anything and
  • 00:17:41
    the problem with that is what i
  • 00:17:42
    discovered is that relationship building
  • 00:17:44
    and trust building are mutually
  • 00:17:46
    exclusive
  • 00:17:47
    and i tell my clients i know it sounds
  • 00:17:50
    kind of crazy i'm dropping a bomb right
  • 00:17:51
    now stop building relationships
  • 00:17:55
    pre-sale
  • 00:17:56
    instead focus on clarity on what their
  • 00:17:59
    problem is be the doctor they're the
  • 00:18:02
    patient
  • 00:18:03
    help them get clarity on what their
  • 00:18:05
    issue is so by default you become their
  • 00:18:08
    solution
  • 00:18:09
    rather than laying in this whole hey
  • 00:18:11
    how's it going thing because if you mix
  • 00:18:13
    social norms and business norms together
  • 00:18:16
    what happens is you don't get compliance
  • 00:18:18
    why don't doctors be i'm working on a
  • 00:18:19
    new bumper sticker you know i actually
  • 00:18:20
    got it right here yeah let's see it
  • 00:18:22
    prototype
  • 00:18:26
    doctors don't do coffee
  • 00:18:30
    doctors don't say hey they don't say doc
  • 00:18:31
    hey how's it going they don't try and
  • 00:18:33
    build a relationship with you because
  • 00:18:34
    they know
  • 00:18:36
    that if they start to mix in this whole
  • 00:18:38
    social thing you won't comply with their
  • 00:18:40
    the with the with the solution so
  • 00:18:43
    right so it's a mindset shift i know it
  • 00:18:45
    sounds radical because we've been taught
  • 00:18:47
    this whole time to like build
  • 00:18:48
    relationships well they're fake anyways
  • 00:18:51
    they know it's fake it's not a real
  • 00:18:52
    relationship it's like a
  • 00:18:54
    spontaneous combustion when you meet
  • 00:18:56
    someone you know and they're like oh god
  • 00:18:57
    here we go again so i'm just suggesting
  • 00:18:59
    there are some nuances here we can tone
  • 00:19:02
    down a little bit
  • 00:19:04
    to build authenticity where they feel
  • 00:19:07
    that you actually care about them
  • 00:19:10
    not just your goal
  • 00:19:13
    wow
  • 00:19:14
    create clarity
  • 00:19:16
    and fix their problem
  • 00:19:18
    yeah you problem centricity is the core
  • 00:19:21
    behind our trust-based selling model
  • 00:19:24
    because see we're so used to
  • 00:19:26
    when we sense an opportunity in our
  • 00:19:28
    environment
  • 00:19:29
    our instinct is
  • 00:19:31
    i can help them damn this is perfect for
  • 00:19:33
    me oh my god they want to buy how many
  • 00:19:36
    and we jump right and go let me walk you
  • 00:19:38
    through what i do let me show you what
  • 00:19:39
    i've got it's it's fat it's
  • 00:19:41
    let me give you a couple options see
  • 00:19:43
    we're so instinctively
  • 00:19:45
    dying to jump in and give our solution
  • 00:19:47
    yeah and then many of you do that
  • 00:19:49
    prematurely
  • 00:19:50
    you've broken trust with them now
  • 00:19:52
    they're going
  • 00:19:53
    okay
  • 00:19:54
    here comes the pitch
  • 00:19:56
    and now they're they're pulling back now
  • 00:19:57
    they won't tell you this by the way
  • 00:19:59
    they'll be they'll say things you like
  • 00:20:00
    this they'll say
  • 00:20:01
    this has been great let me think about
  • 00:20:03
    this somebody's information and we'll
  • 00:20:06
    talk next week
  • 00:20:07
    that's what they'll say here oh no let
  • 00:20:09
    me let me this is my favorite let me
  • 00:20:10
    digest that let's let's just sounds
  • 00:20:13
    great let me hey that's what i use i use
  • 00:20:15
    that line
  • 00:20:15
    [Laughter]
  • 00:20:17
    that is so good man you're reading my
  • 00:20:20
    journal right now holy moly
  • 00:20:22
    huh this is not just you as everyone out
  • 00:20:24
    there right now who's been selling an
  • 00:20:26
    influence by the past and they and they
  • 00:20:28
    have defined selling in their own mind
  • 00:20:30
    as enthusiasm the numbers game
  • 00:20:34
    and just sort of pump yourself up that's
  • 00:20:37
    called what i call sales armor see we
  • 00:20:38
    put sales armor on around us when we go
  • 00:20:40
    to work
  • 00:20:41
    so we get ready for battle so we tear
  • 00:20:43
    ourselves up a couple of notches up
  • 00:20:45
    we're ready for the battle we're like
  • 00:20:46
    we're in there okay i'm in the game come
  • 00:20:49
    at me
  • 00:20:50
    and then all of a sudden people are
  • 00:20:51
    defensive as well and now it gets really
  • 00:20:53
    you know
  • 00:20:54
    dysfunctional real fast yeah huh
  • 00:20:58
    all right so you're gonna walk us uh
  • 00:21:00
    we're gonna walk us through a little bit
  • 00:21:01
    of your journal let's let's go back in
  • 00:21:03
    time right so you and me jump into uh an
  • 00:21:06
    old school delorean right and we go back
  • 00:21:08
    back in time and you're sitting with the
  • 00:21:10
    guy the ari who's about to pitch this
  • 00:21:12
    deal right so they're ceos and the all
  • 00:21:15
    the people on the phone and the ceo and
  • 00:21:17
    you're like hey ari come here and me you
  • 00:21:19
    and the younger ari get to have a chat
  • 00:21:21
    before you pitch to the deal what are
  • 00:21:22
    you going to tell that guy so actually
  • 00:21:24
    that's funny because what you're really
  • 00:21:26
    trying to say is
  • 00:21:27
    what people always ask me the question
  • 00:21:28
    is what would i do if i knew what i knew
  • 00:21:30
    now 20 years ago on that conference call
  • 00:21:33
    you know where i got dumped and rejected
  • 00:21:35
    yeah it's the same concept how would i
  • 00:21:36
    have changed my what i've done
  • 00:21:38
    differently right yeah but i just want
  • 00:21:40
    to you know ride in a delorean with you
  • 00:21:42
    too
  • 00:21:43
    sir absolutely yes so there's the
  • 00:21:45
    question how would you do it
  • 00:21:46
    so walk me through the scenario again
  • 00:21:48
    all right we go back in time in the
  • 00:21:49
    delorean and uh you're you're meeting
  • 00:21:52
    you and your ceo right you you're going
  • 00:21:54
    to double the same story this is the
  • 00:21:56
    same yeah but what would you okay so
  • 00:21:59
    okay great so the answer to that is
  • 00:22:03
    i never would have had the call
  • 00:22:06
    i wouldn't have gone to the meeting
  • 00:22:07
    because i would have known in advance
  • 00:22:10
    what the agenda was what the plan is and
  • 00:22:12
    i would have subjected myself
  • 00:22:15
    to
  • 00:22:16
    being shocked and rejected
  • 00:22:18
    how do you do that
  • 00:22:20
    you get to the truth of people at hello
  • 00:22:24
    you don't get caught up in the whole
  • 00:22:26
    game and what i call opium you know
  • 00:22:28
    opium is it's that drug sales people
  • 00:22:30
    carry around well they get excited
  • 00:22:32
    because they got an opportunity
  • 00:22:34
    i got the call inbound bluebird yeah i
  • 00:22:37
    might be ill for this month we get so
  • 00:22:39
    excited that we drive our car we show up
  • 00:22:41
    in the zoom call we're like yep let's
  • 00:22:43
    get going nice to meet you everyone
  • 00:22:44
    today hey
  • 00:22:46
    we're like sales 101 we're like oh and
  • 00:22:49
    then they're like and you get this peak
  • 00:22:51
    of a high and just drops like what
  • 00:22:53
    happened we had a great meeting there
  • 00:22:55
    was so much chemistry oh my god we're so
  • 00:22:57
    perfect
  • 00:22:59
    we make assumptions along the way
  • 00:23:02
    so what we don't do is we don't diagnose
  • 00:23:05
    their problem first and go down what i
  • 00:23:08
    call the iceberg the iceberg is a
  • 00:23:10
    metaphor for you peeling the onion back
  • 00:23:12
    and unpacking their problem
  • 00:23:14
    amplifying the issue
  • 00:23:17
    helping them get clear on the impact of
  • 00:23:19
    not solving it
  • 00:23:20
    and then asking this core question this
  • 00:23:22
    is a very powerful profound question and
  • 00:23:24
    here it is the question is this
  • 00:23:27
    is this a priority for you
  • 00:23:30
    to solve once and for all
  • 00:23:33
    or is it something you have to live with
  • 00:23:34
    with the consequences over time and i'm
  • 00:23:36
    okay either way
  • 00:23:40
    you cannot provide your solution
  • 00:23:43
    until they own their own problem
  • 00:23:46
    it's like a therapist and a patient
  • 00:23:49
    yeah if the patient doesn't own their
  • 00:23:50
    own problem and they're the worst
  • 00:23:51
    patients
  • 00:23:53
    what about for the luxury world right so
  • 00:23:56
    like problems you know might not exist
  • 00:23:58
    it's like hey i'm looking at a
  • 00:24:00
    lamborghini right i'm you know i'm
  • 00:24:02
    buying a lamborghini or a ferrari like
  • 00:24:04
    i don't need to get to work because i
  • 00:24:06
    have four cars in my garage or whatever
  • 00:24:09
    right but i'm looking for a lamborghini
  • 00:24:11
    like so let's just say you're that
  • 00:24:12
    lamborghini sales guy or gal like what
  • 00:24:16
    problem do i have the difference there
  • 00:24:17
    is yeah the lamborghini pre was pre-sold
  • 00:24:22
    they're already coming in and they're
  • 00:24:24
    salivating over that car that's a whole
  • 00:24:26
    different world than someone coming to
  • 00:24:29
    you who just met you or just heard about
  • 00:24:32
    your name
  • 00:24:33
    they don't have any
  • 00:24:35
    attraction to you know intense traction
  • 00:24:38
    like that car they really want so in
  • 00:24:40
    that scenario by the way you definitely
  • 00:24:43
    bring down all that sales stuff i just
  • 00:24:45
    sit there and listen and just go with
  • 00:24:47
    the flow but my this
  • 00:24:49
    what i'm talking about today
  • 00:24:51
    is really design
  • 00:24:53
    if you're in a business where it's high
  • 00:24:54
    hot low volume
  • 00:24:57
    high margin
  • 00:24:59
    high trust deals that's the space where
  • 00:25:02
    trust-based selling aces the game
  • 00:25:05
    ah so this your
  • 00:25:07
    your method
  • 00:25:09
    has a very specific
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    customer avatar that this works for
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    high high margin high ticket and high
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    trust
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    like for instance a consultant an
  • 00:25:21
    advisor of
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    an entrepreneur with a high ticket
  • 00:25:24
    product or software it's expensive
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    anything requires a relationship with
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    someone long term at a higher price
  • 00:25:30
    point uh this is
  • 00:25:32
    this just kicks ass
  • 00:25:34
    yeah so for my venture capital buddies
  • 00:25:36
    who are you know meeting with lps all
  • 00:25:39
    day and they have to ask for that
  • 00:25:41
    million dollar check
  • 00:25:43
    this is they will be all over this this
  • 00:25:45
    is their lifeline all right let's have
  • 00:25:47
    some fun there all right you and me
  • 00:25:49
    we're we're hanging out with some of our
  • 00:25:51
    vc buddies and uh we're gonna go get a
  • 00:25:53
    cup of coffee there's no doctors there
  • 00:25:54
    because uh doctors don't do coffee but
  • 00:25:57
    we're hanging out with our vc buddies
  • 00:25:59
    and he's about to meet with an lp and
  • 00:26:01
    ask for a million dollar check right
  • 00:26:03
    and you get a few minutes to kind of
  • 00:26:04
    coach them and say hey uh before you
  • 00:26:06
    pitch like you did before
  • 00:26:08
    maybe maybe try this what would you tell
  • 00:26:10
    that person
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    i'd say first of all stop bitching
  • 00:26:15
    stop pitching remove the word pitch from
  • 00:26:19
    your vocabulary
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    that's like sales negative one-on-one
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    pitching
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    i know it's vernacular that you guys use
  • 00:26:26
    i know it's the pitch i know it's sort
  • 00:26:28
    of like accepted jargon in your industry
  • 00:26:30
    but let me tell you right now
  • 00:26:32
    pitching
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    is you
  • 00:26:34
    selling to them that's what a pitch is
  • 00:26:37
    and that immediately
  • 00:26:39
    debunks what i'm trying to do here is
  • 00:26:42
    help people understand
  • 00:26:43
    you don't have to pitch
  • 00:26:46
    your solution as long as you can
  • 00:26:48
    basically help them
  • 00:26:50
    understand that their problem they have
  • 00:26:54
    is what the fit is with your solution
  • 00:26:57
    you let them with breadcrumbs find you
  • 00:27:00
    and have them go man how can you help me
  • 00:27:03
    see it's the reverse see we're so used
  • 00:27:06
    to showing up and just going hey let me
  • 00:27:07
    give you my my pitch i talked to a guy
  • 00:27:10
    the other couple days ago
  • 00:27:11
    um uh potential prospect and he's like
  • 00:27:14
    can i give you show me my pitch first
  • 00:27:15
    i'm like are you kidding me pulled up
  • 00:27:17
    this slide deck i'm like this is like
  • 00:27:19
    1970s stop selling this this is talk
  • 00:27:23
    he just he's so wired this way
  • 00:27:25
    um but anyways what i coach them on is
  • 00:27:28
    this i'd say look
  • 00:27:29
    what you have to do is you have to know
  • 00:27:31
    what are there two or three core
  • 00:27:33
    problems they want to solve
  • 00:27:36
    and then what you have to do is you have
  • 00:27:38
    to have some questions ready to go to
  • 00:27:41
    help them understand
  • 00:27:43
    the gravity of their problem
  • 00:27:45
    the impact of not solving it
  • 00:27:48
    then what you have to do from there is
  • 00:27:50
    create what i call a sales roadmap
  • 00:27:52
    a visual tool that walks them through
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    while working with you can solve their
  • 00:27:58
    problem
  • 00:27:59
    but you let them buy you stop selling
  • 00:28:03
    yourself
  • 00:28:04
    because you sound like a sales guy
  • 00:28:06
    you're you're commoditizing yourself
  • 00:28:11
    unless you're okay with the numbers game
  • 00:28:13
    but i'm not into that see our in our
  • 00:28:15
    world we're about a hundred percent
  • 00:28:17
    converting every single person that's
  • 00:28:19
    the right fit so we don't burn any leads
  • 00:28:22
    we don't do any behaviors that associate
  • 00:28:25
    us with that stereotype
  • 00:28:29
    i'll give you an example of a classic
  • 00:28:32
    i'm going to ask all your listeners
  • 00:28:33
    right now to remove one key phrase from
  • 00:28:35
    the vocabulary forever as of today post
  • 00:28:38
    re and never ever use it again in your
  • 00:28:40
    sales life now if you've been in sales
  • 00:28:42
    for a long time this might hurt just a
  • 00:28:44
    bit
  • 00:28:45
    okay
  • 00:28:46
    i'm scared i'm gonna i'm gonna ask
  • 00:28:48
    everyone to never again use the phrase
  • 00:28:52
    follow-up
  • 00:28:53
    ever again
  • 00:28:55
    in your career
  • 00:28:57
    the
  • 00:28:58
    what's the only industry that says hi
  • 00:29:00
    i'm giving you a call to follow up who
  • 00:29:02
    does that
  • 00:29:04
    sales sales people and here we are and
  • 00:29:07
    we also you remember this here's some
  • 00:29:09
    other remember the other ones like i'm
  • 00:29:10
    giving a call to check in
  • 00:29:12
    to circle back
  • 00:29:15
    all these classic like lines and the
  • 00:29:17
    minute you say to someone hi i'm kind of
  • 00:29:19
    follow up in our last meeting they're
  • 00:29:20
    like oh god now he's trying to follow up
  • 00:29:23
    to move things where towards his goal
  • 00:29:25
    here's what you say instead you say this
  • 00:29:27
    you say i'm giving you a call
  • 00:29:30
    to see
  • 00:29:32
    if you have any
  • 00:29:35
    feedback on our previous conversation
  • 00:29:38
    any feedback on our last meeting
  • 00:29:41
    any feedback on the proposal any
  • 00:29:43
    feedback on the see feedback's going
  • 00:29:45
    which direction
  • 00:29:47
    the opposite away from the sale
  • 00:29:49
    follow-up's going where
  • 00:29:51
    towards the sale
  • 00:29:53
    the minute you attempt to move things
  • 00:29:55
    forward people
  • 00:29:56
    you're placing momentum on them
  • 00:29:59
    when you place momentum on your
  • 00:30:01
    prospects they feel pressure from you
  • 00:30:05
    your goal is to remove the pressure
  • 00:30:08
    remove the resistance
  • 00:30:10
    so you can take the path of least
  • 00:30:13
    resistance
  • 00:30:15
    and i know this is quite contrary today
  • 00:30:17
    and i appreciate you letting me say my
  • 00:30:19
    my truth here but
  • 00:30:21
    when you understand that we're the ones
  • 00:30:23
    who are the problem think about it they
  • 00:30:25
    got a problem you got a solution yeah
  • 00:30:27
    straight line of sight right like it's
  • 00:30:29
    pretty but what's the middle of that
  • 00:30:31
    us
  • 00:30:32
    we do we fumble the ball we do it with
  • 00:30:34
    hey check in follow up we play these
  • 00:30:36
    games and they're like okay now i gotta
  • 00:30:38
    pull back i don't i gotta hold back him
  • 00:30:41
    just enough to keep myself preserved
  • 00:30:43
    without
  • 00:30:45
    that's the game that we get stuck in
  • 00:30:46
    unconsciously
  • 00:30:53
    all right so what i'm trying to think
  • 00:30:55
    through is
  • 00:30:58
    i i got a job back in the day at a call
  • 00:31:01
    center all right oh gosh that's terrible
  • 00:31:03
    by the way hated it
  • 00:31:05
    but
  • 00:31:06
    i had a baby and i needed diapers so i
  • 00:31:08
    did it
  • 00:31:09
    and um
  • 00:31:10
    you know here's a here's a list make 100
  • 00:31:12
    calls a day right oh it's terrible all
  • 00:31:14
    right here's a script oh gosh i mean i
  • 00:31:17
    want to jump out of my window just
  • 00:31:18
    thinking about that it was it was brutal
  • 00:31:21
    right so
  • 00:31:22
    as i'm going through this process
  • 00:31:24
    everything was i'm just checking in hey
  • 00:31:27
    moving towards and and we have pipeline
  • 00:31:30
    stages like up on our board right so
  • 00:31:32
    it's like oh cool
  • 00:31:33
    how many people do you have in this
  • 00:31:34
    stage of your pipeline and it's just
  • 00:31:36
    everything is
  • 00:31:38
    all the crms are built with moving
  • 00:31:40
    exactly the the whole industry is about
  • 00:31:43
    moving someone from step a
  • 00:31:46
    to step b that's the goal
  • 00:31:48
    and we use every technique every
  • 00:31:50
    behavior we can to do that
  • 00:31:53
    and my whole flip is
  • 00:31:56
    that they will move forward on their own
  • 00:31:59
    right in front of you if you just step
  • 00:32:01
    away from your goal be present and dive
  • 00:32:04
    into their world
  • 00:32:06
    and be authentic about their problem and
  • 00:32:08
    let go of the game
  • 00:32:09
    it's a magical moment
  • 00:32:11
    when they say this to you they say josh
  • 00:32:15
    how can you help me
  • 00:32:16
    [Music]
  • 00:32:21
    yeah i'm thinking
  • 00:32:22
    yeah yeah well
  • 00:32:24
    it's a profound moment continue with
  • 00:32:26
    that because i it's a profound moment
  • 00:32:28
    when you realize
  • 00:32:31
    you can
  • 00:32:32
    release yourself
  • 00:32:34
    of the hype
  • 00:32:35
    of the pressure
  • 00:32:37
    of the wall you have to carry with you
  • 00:32:39
    on your back
  • 00:32:40
    to pursue
  • 00:32:43
    to push through
  • 00:32:44
    to make that deal happen
  • 00:32:46
    so see we're used to resistance you see
  • 00:32:50
    that's why people are taught hey you
  • 00:32:52
    gotta be tough you gotta don't give up
  • 00:32:55
    keep going we
  • 00:32:56
    see we think we feel like it's a fight
  • 00:32:58
    it's it's
  • 00:33:00
    it's because we triggered let me give
  • 00:33:02
    you example yeah this happened recently
  • 00:33:05
    this is a great example of what i mean
  • 00:33:07
    getting the truth and and knowing where
  • 00:33:09
    you stand with people don't play the
  • 00:33:10
    numbers game recently i had someone call
  • 00:33:12
    my office they got through my team they
  • 00:33:13
    got to me phone rang uh unscheduled call
  • 00:33:16
    which is unusual for me i picked the
  • 00:33:18
    phone up and i heard mr galper i go yeah
  • 00:33:20
    my name is john johnson and i'm with xyz
  • 00:33:22
    company you recognize them they're a
  • 00:33:24
    huge company and
  • 00:33:26
    hey we're looking at to bring someone
  • 00:33:27
    into our company to change our whole
  • 00:33:29
    sales system and our whole philosophy
  • 00:33:30
    given the way the world changed we're
  • 00:33:31
    looking at you into the particular
  • 00:33:32
    people right now we'd like to know first
  • 00:33:34
    of all why should we go with you
  • 00:33:36
    uh why are you the best and give me your
  • 00:33:38
    best sales pitch
  • 00:33:41
    this is fun
  • 00:33:43
    okay
  • 00:33:44
    i'm gonna try and guess
  • 00:33:47
    okay so give me give me the
  • 00:33:49
    what were the questions again i'm gonna
  • 00:33:50
    try to guess how you respond yeah it
  • 00:33:51
    says he literally says so look we'd like
  • 00:33:53
    to know first of all you know
  • 00:33:55
    why should we go with you and and and
  • 00:33:57
    why are you the best of what you do and
  • 00:33:59
    give me give me look give me your best
  • 00:34:00
    sales pitch
  • 00:34:02
    wow all right i'm gonna i'm gonna take a
  • 00:34:04
    stab at this do you mind
  • 00:34:06
    go for it all right how would you handle
  • 00:34:08
    it the ahri way the uh the rewa i like
  • 00:34:10
    that that should be uh
  • 00:34:12
    the the ahri way um so
  • 00:34:15
    i'm trying to put myself in your shoes
  • 00:34:16
    what size should you wear by the way
  • 00:34:18
    uh i think 12 or 30. okay so you got
  • 00:34:20
    bigger shoes than me all right so i'm
  • 00:34:22
    going to put myself in your shoes i
  • 00:34:23
    think i would i think i'd say something
  • 00:34:25
    like if i were you okay so
  • 00:34:27
    were you expecting this call or no no no
  • 00:34:29
    it was like a fluke and they're big
  • 00:34:31
    companies there's a big brand
  • 00:34:33
    i'd say man well thanks you know thanks
  • 00:34:34
    for calling like
  • 00:34:36
    tell me man like how did you how'd you
  • 00:34:38
    find out about me like i know you guys
  • 00:34:40
    you guys are doing some cool things
  • 00:34:41
    how'd you find out about me like i got
  • 00:34:43
    your name i got your name from xyz
  • 00:34:45
    company okay so you got you got my name
  • 00:34:48
    cool like what you know tell me a little
  • 00:34:49
    bit about what are you guys trying to
  • 00:34:51
    fit man i don't even know like i'm
  • 00:34:53
    trying to like not sell them something
  • 00:34:55
    see well you're so hard see what you're
  • 00:34:57
    trying to do right now because that's
  • 00:34:58
    all you know to do you're trying to
  • 00:35:00
    circle around
  • 00:35:02
    what just happened yeah you're trying to
  • 00:35:05
    find a clever way to get around to avoid
  • 00:35:07
    the answer
  • 00:35:09
    from what you know i understand so let
  • 00:35:10
    me kind of give you the black belt level
  • 00:35:12
    okay yeah teach me sensei sure here we
  • 00:35:15
    go
  • 00:35:16
    so guy says why should i go with you
  • 00:35:18
    give me your best pitch
  • 00:35:20
    uh and we'd like to know why you know
  • 00:35:22
    and i he and here's what happened here's
  • 00:35:24
    what i said to him i said first of all i
  • 00:35:25
    took a deep breath because i'm a human
  • 00:35:27
    being too they're a big company i got
  • 00:35:29
    calm
  • 00:35:30
    i guess centered i learned my voice and
  • 00:35:33
    i said this to him i said
  • 00:35:36
    well isn't
  • 00:35:38
    that interesting
  • 00:35:42
    [Laughter]
  • 00:35:44
    that pause for a couple seconds
  • 00:35:47
    and then i said this to him i said
  • 00:35:49
    over here at our company we have a very
  • 00:35:51
    similar process to you where we asked a
  • 00:35:53
    couple questions
  • 00:35:54
    uh gathering some information let's see
  • 00:35:56
    if we're a good fit and for a good fit
  • 00:35:59
    we kind of decide where to go from there
  • 00:36:00
    i said to him would you be open to that
  • 00:36:05
    i love that question
  • 00:36:07
    yeah
  • 00:36:09
    next thing on the phone i hear nothing
  • 00:36:12
    dead
  • 00:36:13
    silence i'm like oh is he still
  • 00:36:14
    there he's still there
  • 00:36:16
    then i felt the breath like he breathed
  • 00:36:18
    like he just sigh like came out he's
  • 00:36:20
    like a relief came from him i could tell
  • 00:36:22
    he lowers his shoulders he becomes human
  • 00:36:25
    like a human being again
  • 00:36:26
    he lowers his voice he says this to me
  • 00:36:28
    he says
  • 00:36:30
    uh okay
  • 00:36:31
    what kind of questions you have for me
  • 00:36:35
    now you're having a conversation not a
  • 00:36:37
    pitch yeah next thing i discovered
  • 00:36:39
    within five minutes one he's not a
  • 00:36:41
    decision maker two he has no budget and
  • 00:36:44
    three he's just curious as to what i do
  • 00:36:47
    and after five minutes off he went to my
  • 00:36:49
    website for some free stuff i hung up
  • 00:36:51
    the phone
  • 00:36:52
    now what did that process just save me
  • 00:36:55
    months of
  • 00:36:57
    save back and forth and pitching and
  • 00:36:59
    pitching and getting all excited and
  • 00:37:01
    spending the money before it gets there
  • 00:37:02
    and and telling you know buying your
  • 00:37:04
    wife something cool and all those things
  • 00:37:06
    right chasing
  • 00:37:08
    pursuing
  • 00:37:10
    hopium drug
  • 00:37:12
    i got the call i'm so excited inbound
  • 00:37:16
    you know how we get so caught up in that
  • 00:37:18
    and we never get to the truth
  • 00:37:24
    and that's my whole process is your goal
  • 00:37:27
    is not to make the sale
  • 00:37:29
    your goal is to get the truth of whether
  • 00:37:31
    you're fit or not
  • 00:37:33
    and you got to get out of the game see
  • 00:37:35
    he was in the game he wanted me to start
  • 00:37:37
    dancing oh let me tell you what i do hey
  • 00:37:39
    look it might look what i got i'm the
  • 00:37:40
    best see that's the game we're all
  • 00:37:42
    caught up in you see if you're not aware
  • 00:37:44
    of that you're sleepwalking through it
  • 00:37:46
    you're gonna be sucked into it like a
  • 00:37:47
    vortex and you go oh how do i get
  • 00:37:50
    it and then what happens you call them
  • 00:37:51
    back right
  • 00:37:52
    and they're like they get their
  • 00:37:53
    voicemail like what he's not even i
  • 00:37:54
    can't get a hold of him and he you know
  • 00:37:56
    you do next you go to your computer and
  • 00:37:57
    you go you write a note an email you're
  • 00:37:59
    right hi i'm writing you to follow
  • 00:38:02
    up ding ding ding ding ding no
  • 00:38:06
    no no and then we get sucked into that
  • 00:38:08
    numbers game and you're like oh man this
  • 00:38:10
    sale sucks
  • 00:38:12
    yeah
  • 00:38:14
    all right
  • 00:38:15
    so
  • 00:38:19
    this is cool
  • 00:38:22
    by the way i just i just bought
  • 00:38:24
    i interviewed we're going to do 500 of
  • 00:38:26
    these interviews sorry
  • 00:38:28
    uh
  • 00:38:29
    why we were talking because i have a
  • 00:38:30
    short-term memory i went and i just
  • 00:38:32
    bought your audible book on uh on amazon
  • 00:38:36
    or audible.com unlock the sales game
  • 00:38:38
    that's the name of your book right
  • 00:38:39
    because
  • 00:38:40
    just that
  • 00:38:42
    you know how many times i've chased
  • 00:38:43
    people the numbers game right like we
  • 00:38:45
    know it's a numbers game right or that's
  • 00:38:48
    a the lie we've been living
  • 00:38:50
    you know and uh we've just been chasing
  • 00:38:53
    and i'm good at it well i mean i sucked
  • 00:38:55
    in this example but i'm pretty good at
  • 00:38:57
    it you know we're doing well but man we
  • 00:39:00
    could really sharpen up now let me ask
  • 00:39:01
    you this question real real quick see
  • 00:39:03
    what's happened
  • 00:39:04
    you've built up a muscle and a strength
  • 00:39:08
    to pursue the numbers get i mean you're
  • 00:39:10
    doing well but what you're not made
  • 00:39:11
    there realizing is that it's not about
  • 00:39:14
    when you say well about how much you're
  • 00:39:15
    making
  • 00:39:16
    but how much you're losing
  • 00:39:18
    it's all the losses that are occurring
  • 00:39:20
    because of focusing on the numbers game
  • 00:39:22
    that's where the magic is here all the
  • 00:39:24
    money that's sitting in your pipeline
  • 00:39:26
    that you're pursuing which may or may
  • 00:39:27
    not be there see if you flip the model
  • 00:39:30
    and there's less volume
  • 00:39:32
    and higher conversion
  • 00:39:33
    you can double your business right away
  • 00:39:35
    without any more marketing
  • 00:39:37
    yeah
  • 00:39:39
    so
  • 00:39:40
    now
  • 00:39:41
    we have uh
  • 00:39:42
    this is embarrassing right so
  • 00:39:45
    as a sales
  • 00:39:46
    manager or sales leader right like i'm
  • 00:39:48
    working with other people and you know
  • 00:39:50
    either working with them on sales or
  • 00:39:52
    helping them you know
  • 00:39:53
    right so and i'm doing i guess i'm not
  • 00:39:55
    doing as good as i could uh
  • 00:39:58
    how do you how do you how do you keep
  • 00:40:00
    track how do you have accountability
  • 00:40:01
    like if you're managing someone and
  • 00:40:03
    you're responsible for sales numbers how
  • 00:40:05
    do you how do you do that that's a great
  • 00:40:07
    question
  • 00:40:08
    because we're taught conventionally to
  • 00:40:11
    measure based on behaviors
  • 00:40:14
    how many calls you made this week how
  • 00:40:16
    many demos you had this week how many
  • 00:40:18
    meetings you had this cc we're taught to
  • 00:40:21
    measure
  • 00:40:22
    these milestones
  • 00:40:24
    that fit into what we believe is the
  • 00:40:27
    goal
  • 00:40:28
    which is the move them to a next step
  • 00:40:31
    so we're managing from that perspective
  • 00:40:34
    but it's not about
  • 00:40:37
    those behaviors anymore it's about how
  • 00:40:40
    good they are at trust building inside
  • 00:40:43
    the conversation meaning
  • 00:40:45
    so if i was like what i do with my
  • 00:40:47
    clients is i have them bring me their
  • 00:40:49
    recorded sales calls they play the tape
  • 00:40:52
    live with me
  • 00:40:53
    and i listen to the conversations and i
  • 00:40:55
    say stop the tape stop the tape
  • 00:40:58
    right there you jumped into early like
  • 00:41:00
    oh my god you're right right there you
  • 00:41:03
    you raise see the sale is not lost or
  • 00:41:06
    made based on the movement of those
  • 00:41:08
    deals in the pipeline
  • 00:41:10
    they're lost inside the conversation
  • 00:41:14
    and no one knows how to go in the
  • 00:41:15
    conversation and analyze where they're
  • 00:41:17
    being lost
  • 00:41:20
    that's where all your money's sitting in
  • 00:41:21
    the actual conversations if we if you
  • 00:41:23
    played me a tape right now one of your
  • 00:41:25
    people making those sales calls
  • 00:41:27
    i would probably cringe
  • 00:41:29
    but you might go hey they did pretty
  • 00:41:31
    good they got a next step
  • 00:41:33
    awesome guys high five yeah yeah because
  • 00:41:37
    we've been trained to believe it's about
  • 00:41:39
    the movement of the deal
  • 00:41:42
    yeah
  • 00:41:44
    oh
  • 00:41:45
    man you're reading my journal but okay
  • 00:41:48
    so so then how do i
  • 00:41:50
    create
  • 00:41:51
    a plan
  • 00:41:52
    for you know groups like maybe one of
  • 00:41:54
    our portfolio groups that we're working
  • 00:41:56
    with and we're we're trying to help them
  • 00:41:57
    bump up revenue right because i'm
  • 00:42:00
    mike
  • 00:42:01
    my money's tied in it and i'm
  • 00:42:03
    compensated by it right like so how do i
  • 00:42:05
    create accountability or how do i create
  • 00:42:08
    you know
  • 00:42:09
    well first thing you have to do
  • 00:42:12
    yeah well i might need to help you here
  • 00:42:13
    but first thing we have to do is we got
  • 00:42:15
    to shift the year's team's mindset
  • 00:42:18
    we gotta we gotta go through
  • 00:42:19
    transformation with them here not give a
  • 00:42:21
    few more attempts we gotta help them
  • 00:42:22
    think differently this is a
  • 00:42:24
    transformational shift this is a few
  • 00:42:26
    more tips to make them better this is to
  • 00:42:29
    show them
  • 00:42:31
    why they're losing more than they're
  • 00:42:33
    making help them understand what they're
  • 00:42:35
    doing wrong
  • 00:42:36
    which they don't think they are
  • 00:42:38
    because they have been caught up in the
  • 00:42:39
    typical sales thing which is hey man i
  • 00:42:42
    got deals pending yeah hey give me some
  • 00:42:43
    more baby let's do it high five like see
  • 00:42:46
    they're used to the the numbers game and
  • 00:42:48
    that whole
  • 00:42:49
    conditioning as normal
  • 00:42:51
    see what i'm what has to happen we have
  • 00:42:53
    to kind of help them understand that
  • 00:42:55
    they got to shift their thinking to
  • 00:42:57
    understand their own
  • 00:42:59
    behaviors they're doing unconsciously
  • 00:43:00
    causing them to play the sales game and
  • 00:43:02
    losing opportunity so a lot of this
  • 00:43:04
    first the first shift that we're with
  • 00:43:06
    people is shift their thinking by taking
  • 00:43:08
    it through a process like we're doing
  • 00:43:09
    right now for them to go holy crap and
  • 00:43:12
    then what they do is they go they try
  • 00:43:13
    they go try like they change a few
  • 00:43:15
    things like they don't use follow-up
  • 00:43:17
    they use the word feedback they're like
  • 00:43:18
    ari i tried that and it worked it was so
  • 00:43:20
    crazy they wouldn't stop talking then
  • 00:43:21
    they try things like hey where do you
  • 00:43:24
    think we should go from here and all of
  • 00:43:25
    a sudden that guy's like let's move
  • 00:43:26
    forward like oh my god even try this
  • 00:43:28
    like they try a few of my little
  • 00:43:30
    language tips and they go man this is
  • 00:43:32
    amazing there's no effort and then they
  • 00:43:34
    we move them to a next step which is
  • 00:43:36
    deep dive what call in deal in deal
  • 00:43:38
    coaching where they bring the recordings
  • 00:43:40
    and i go
  • 00:43:42
    try this next time so we give a little
  • 00:43:44
    nuggets and they go this actually
  • 00:43:46
    works oh my god what this whole time so
  • 00:43:50
    you gotta kind of show them a way to do
  • 00:43:52
    it better but not make them feel bad
  • 00:43:54
    but like give them some ways to improve
  • 00:43:56
    their game
  • 00:43:57
    and that's what really what we do
  • 00:44:00
    yeah low volume high margin high trust
  • 00:44:03
    this is where your program works best
  • 00:44:06
    it's not a lot of sales cycles exactly
  • 00:44:08
    yeah yeah because we short the sales
  • 00:44:09
    cycle i'm working on a new book next
  • 00:44:11
    year called the one call sale oh
  • 00:44:13
    that'd be pretty cool
  • 00:44:15
    even for big deals like you know venture
  • 00:44:17
    capital raising capital uh commercial
  • 00:44:19
    real estate you know one call close kind
  • 00:44:20
    of thing well it's not
  • 00:44:22
    like i don't get a signed contract that
  • 00:44:24
    one close obviously there's due
  • 00:44:25
    diligence and all that stuff but you
  • 00:44:28
    will get a verbal yes we want to move
  • 00:44:30
    forward
  • 00:44:32
    i can't wait to when you release that
  • 00:44:34
    book we'll get you back on this show
  • 00:44:36
    let's talk about
  • 00:44:37
    so just remember that because i have a
  • 00:44:39
    short term memory uh for the book uh
  • 00:44:42
    that i just bought on
  • 00:44:43
    on audible unlock the sales game
  • 00:44:46
    like what inspired you to write a book
  • 00:44:49
    right so i i assume you're a consultant
  • 00:44:52
    and a coach right so you work with
  • 00:44:53
    groups on improving sales process and
  • 00:44:55
    unlocking the sales game for them right
  • 00:44:58
    like what inspired you to write a book
  • 00:44:59
    rather than just kind of do it
  • 00:45:02
    for others because no one believed me
  • 00:45:05
    no one believed this is possible
  • 00:45:07
    no one's like you can't let go of the
  • 00:45:08
    sales they'll make to say oh that sounds
  • 00:45:10
    counterintuitive you can't see i had to
  • 00:45:14
    prove to people this is for real so when
  • 00:45:16
    i do live events and live trainings
  • 00:45:19
    i make live sales calls in the room
  • 00:45:23
    to their own prospects they can't reach
  • 00:45:26
    and i call for them to their own
  • 00:45:29
    prospects i
  • 00:45:31
    move things forward in my way
  • 00:45:33
    to prove see i can't just talk about
  • 00:45:35
    this people like yeah this guy's a
  • 00:45:37
    a bullet you know full of crap
  • 00:45:40
    that's not i've got to prove myself i
  • 00:45:42
    got to work hard anybody else in the
  • 00:45:43
    game because
  • 00:45:45
    no one believes it's possible so i had
  • 00:45:46
    to write that book to prove it's for
  • 00:45:47
    real and i got to make live calls in
  • 00:45:50
    front of audiences to show them
  • 00:45:52
    it's possible
  • 00:45:54
    i'm famous for that we should do that
  • 00:45:57
    like on on a podcast show so like we
  • 00:45:59
    should we should make
  • 00:46:01
    cold calls or call up prospects or or
  • 00:46:03
    whatever that'd be fun holy moly all
  • 00:46:05
    right can you walk us through a
  • 00:46:08
    an example of that right we could role
  • 00:46:10
    play it here or whatever or you could
  • 00:46:12
    just you know kind of share the story so
  • 00:46:14
    you're up on stage and sometimes i'll
  • 00:46:15
    give you a story i'll tell you sorry
  • 00:46:16
    about mine they have me live okay it's
  • 00:46:18
    about four or five years ago i brought
  • 00:46:20
    back the us did a big sales team huge
  • 00:46:22
    room like 500 sales people you know and
  • 00:46:25
    uh that was brought in from australia
  • 00:46:27
    and i i did a day with them but lunch
  • 00:46:29
    time i'm doing i'm doing my thing like
  • 00:46:31
    doing right now and the room and the
  • 00:46:33
    corners four or five guys in the front
  • 00:46:34
    room like this
  • 00:46:36
    i saw him over there like bunched up but
  • 00:46:38
    i could tell there's always groups of
  • 00:46:39
    guys in the room like that always
  • 00:46:40
    someone there arms crossed
  • 00:46:42
    furrowed brow they're saying
  • 00:46:44
    who does this guy think he is yeah
  • 00:46:47
    i've been this game for 20 years there's
  • 00:46:49
    nothing new i've aced this and there's
  • 00:46:51
    always someone that always group
  • 00:46:52
    somewhere and i'm aware of this i'm very
  • 00:46:54
    aware of this so i said guys before we
  • 00:46:56
    go to the lunch we're gonna we're gonna
  • 00:46:57
    do one more thing
  • 00:46:59
    we're gonna make live sales calls in the
  • 00:47:01
    room right now to your toughest
  • 00:47:04
    prospects you can't reach
  • 00:47:06
    the whole room's like
  • 00:47:08
    what
  • 00:47:10
    i said now don't worry you're not going
  • 00:47:11
    to make live sales calls the broker i
  • 00:47:13
    guess you're going to make those calls
  • 00:47:16
    me
  • 00:47:17
    you bring me right now your toughest
  • 00:47:18
    deals you can't reach and i'll make a
  • 00:47:19
    live call in this and i pull the phone
  • 00:47:21
    hidden behind the table and i slammed it
  • 00:47:23
    down so i'm gonna make live calls on
  • 00:47:25
    this phone pre-wired in the whole room
  • 00:47:28
    right now so bring me one up right now
  • 00:47:30
    and i'll make a call
  • 00:47:32
    just like
  • 00:47:34
    one guy goes like you can't do that you
  • 00:47:37
    don't even work here you don't know our
  • 00:47:38
    servers our technology or you don't know
  • 00:47:40
    our
  • 00:47:41
    our product line i said it's not about
  • 00:47:44
    your solution guys
  • 00:47:46
    it's about the problems you help people
  • 00:47:48
    solve you start there you're
  • 00:47:50
    fine and they were like frozen and one
  • 00:47:54
    guy gets up he walks down the aisle kind
  • 00:47:55
    of heavy set guys kind of limping he's
  • 00:47:57
    like i got one for you i said what do
  • 00:47:59
    you have for me
  • 00:48:00
    he says i'm what's called a win back rep
  • 00:48:02
    my job is to win back oil climbs we lost
  • 00:48:04
    over time i've got 10 per year each
  • 00:48:06
    worth seven figures if i close one deal
  • 00:48:08
    a year i'm golden over here i said what
  • 00:48:10
    do you have for me he goes last year we
  • 00:48:12
    lost a huge deal this big company we
  • 00:48:15
    make laptops and they're waiting for our
  • 00:48:17
    new laptop to arrive to give it a sales
  • 00:48:19
    people it was the first order we got and
  • 00:48:21
    the box was shipped offshore and it just
  • 00:48:24
    bad news the boss came destroyed i mean
  • 00:48:26
    the the laptops were broken glass
  • 00:48:28
    everywhere it was just bad that we
  • 00:48:30
    got they were so mad at us they cut the
  • 00:48:32
    whole contract up we lost the whole
  • 00:48:33
    account on that one shipment
  • 00:48:36
    and my job is to win them back
  • 00:48:39
    for the last eight months i've been
  • 00:48:40
    trying to do this the problem is i can't
  • 00:48:42
    get past the
  • 00:48:44
    gatekeeper gatekeeper yeah i tried
  • 00:48:47
    everything i've tried to go through her
  • 00:48:49
    around her date trick her date her i've
  • 00:48:51
    tried everything possible and nothing's
  • 00:48:53
    working ari so here i go you give her a
  • 00:48:56
    call
  • 00:48:57
    i said no problem send me her number
  • 00:49:00
    name went over the phone through the
  • 00:49:02
    dial tone it lit up the whole room
  • 00:49:04
    because the audio like turned on they're
  • 00:49:05
    like holy crap this guy's gonna do it i
  • 00:49:07
    said please keep it down it's a live
  • 00:49:09
    call so i dialed the number live
  • 00:49:12
    in the room they're all real quiet the
  • 00:49:15
    phone rings it guess it picks it up the
  • 00:49:16
    gatekeeper linda right linda hey linda
  • 00:49:20
    and uh
  • 00:49:21
    and i perceived to say this i said hi
  • 00:49:24
    linda
  • 00:49:25
    my name is ari
  • 00:49:27
    i'm with xyz company their company and
  • 00:49:29
    here it is
  • 00:49:32
    and i'm hoping
  • 00:49:33
    you can help me out for a moment
  • 00:49:42
    that's all i said
  • 00:49:43
    and she says
  • 00:49:44
    as expected how can i help you
  • 00:49:48
    and i said this i just want to give you
  • 00:49:50
    give you a call on behalf of myself my
  • 00:49:52
    company for only one reason only and
  • 00:49:54
    that is this
  • 00:49:55
    to apologize
  • 00:49:57
    it happened last year
  • 00:49:59
    when you shipped out the box to your
  • 00:50:00
    your team and the whole thing came in
  • 00:50:03
    bad shape and you were upset with us and
  • 00:50:05
    you cut the kind of i'm sure it was a
  • 00:50:06
    horrible experience for everyone
  • 00:50:07
    involved and i just simply wanted to
  • 00:50:09
    call to sincerely apologize for that
  • 00:50:12
    entire experience that's the only reason
  • 00:50:14
    why i'm calling
  • 00:50:19
    and she says
  • 00:50:21
    well let me tell you
  • 00:50:22
    i was there
  • 00:50:24
    i opened the boxes myself i couldn't
  • 00:50:26
    believe it she starts talking and
  • 00:50:28
    talking and talking is like a damn open
  • 00:50:30
    up and like a flood just came she would
  • 00:50:33
    not she went just not stop talking and
  • 00:50:36
    she says oh she says oh and i'm the key
  • 00:50:38
    person in the deal to bring this back to
  • 00:50:41
    get this thing alive again with you guys
  • 00:50:44
    the whole room's like what the hell
  • 00:50:46
    she
  • 00:50:47
    he's trying to go through her the whole
  • 00:50:49
    time it turns out she's the key person
  • 00:50:51
    she's a core person
  • 00:50:53
    and she kind of comes full circle at the
  • 00:50:55
    end
  • 00:50:56
    and she kind of calms down
  • 00:50:59
    and i said i said look i just wanted to
  • 00:51:01
    apologize and it sounds like a horrible
  • 00:51:03
    experience that that happened and i
  • 00:51:05
    truly apologize for that and i said to
  • 00:51:06
    her would you be open
  • 00:51:09
    to the possibility
  • 00:51:11
    of us healing old wounds
  • 00:51:13
    to begin again fresh to build trust
  • 00:51:15
    again in a new way would you be open to
  • 00:51:17
    that
  • 00:51:20
    that's all i said to her and she says
  • 00:51:23
    sure that sounds good here it comes
  • 00:51:26
    why don't we go ahead and schedule a
  • 00:51:28
    conference call and move
  • 00:51:30
    this thing
  • 00:51:31
    forward
  • 00:51:35
    next thing i know she's rattling out of
  • 00:51:36
    zoom numbers and conference calls she's
  • 00:51:38
    excited bp name i'm giving you give me
  • 00:51:40
    your notebook i'm writing down all these
  • 00:51:42
    names conference call dates
  • 00:51:44
    she's like excited i'm like well it'll
  • 00:51:46
    be myself or my colleague john one of us
  • 00:51:48
    be on the call is that okay yeah it
  • 00:51:49
    doesn't matter who's there i'm i'm going
  • 00:51:51
    back home she's like that's fine she's
  • 00:51:53
    just scheduling the call
  • 00:51:55
    ready to move things forward we're about
  • 00:51:57
    to see our goodbyes and she says one
  • 00:52:00
    more thing to me you know she says to me
  • 00:52:02
    she says
  • 00:52:04
    thank you
  • 00:52:05
    for being the only person in your
  • 00:52:07
    company
  • 00:52:09
    who actually apologized and listened to
  • 00:52:12
    me
  • 00:52:14
    we hung up the phone the whole room went
  • 00:52:18
    nuts like you know the wave like the
  • 00:52:19
    wave in the room like that they have the
  • 00:52:21
    shoulders like football game pass me
  • 00:52:22
    around like like i hit the goal like
  • 00:52:25
    they had never in their entire lives
  • 00:52:27
    experienced
  • 00:52:29
    what it's like
  • 00:52:30
    to stop selling
  • 00:52:32
    yeah and build human trust
  • 00:52:35
    and i got to go in a couple seconds but
  • 00:52:38
    that is the essence of what's possible
  • 00:52:41
    if you work with us in this way
  • 00:52:45
    man super cool
  • 00:52:47
    so
  • 00:52:49
    as for as we're
  • 00:52:51
    you know i just bought your book i i
  • 00:52:53
    encourage you know i'm going to listen
  • 00:52:54
    to it you know people in the audience
  • 00:52:56
    and and people connected with me could
  • 00:52:58
    go through the book with me and we could
  • 00:52:59
    chat about it uh what's a good way for
  • 00:53:01
    people to connect with you and maybe do
  • 00:53:02
    a deal with you uh talk to us best thing
  • 00:53:04
    is go to unlockthegame.com like it
  • 00:53:06
    sounds unlock the game.com my books are
  • 00:53:08
    there i've got a free intro course there
  • 00:53:11
    reach out to us also i'm very accessible
  • 00:53:12
    on linkedin connect with me there make a
  • 00:53:14
    note that we you met me here i do a show
  • 00:53:16
    once a month called stump the guru
  • 00:53:19
    where you can jump on live and give me
  • 00:53:21
    your toughest sales challenge and try
  • 00:53:23
    and knock me off
  • 00:53:24
    off the mountain there for fun it's a
  • 00:53:25
    fun show but uh but reach out to me on
  • 00:53:27
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