Dr. Chris Knobbe ON Uncovering the Dangers of Seed Oils and Processed Foods

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Summary

TLDRThe podcast episode of "Ketones and Coffee" features Dr. Chris Kenobi, who discusses the harmful impact of vegetable oils on health. He elaborates on his extensive research over a decade and presents evidence linking seed oils with chronic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and heart conditions. Highlighting historical and global data, Dr. Kenobi asserts that the rise of processed foods rich in polyunsaturated vegetable oils correlates with increased disease rates. He urges eliminating processed foods from diets and using healthier fats like butter and coconut oil. Additionally, Dr. Kenobi shares his personal journey motivated by medical challenges, leading to his groundbreaking focus on nutrition as a means to prevent and manage diseases like age-related macular degeneration.

Takeaways

  • 🎙️ Dr. Chris Kenobi explores the dangers of seed oils related to chronic diseases.
  • 📚 Vegetable oils are associated with obesity, diabetes, and heart conditions.
  • ⚕️ The ancestral diet could prevent many health issues linked to processed foods.
  • 🤔 Historical data shows increased consumption of oils correlates with chronic diseases.
  • 🌱 Recommended alternatives include butter and coconut oil over seed oils.
  • 🛑 Emphasis on eliminating processed foods to improve health.
  • 👨‍⚕️ Personal health challenges led Dr. Kenobi to focus on nutritional research.
  • 🍽️ Preparing meals at home using natural fats is advised.
  • 📈 Seed oils' popularity increases, despite known health risks, due to misinformation.
  • 🧐 The podcast highlights critical public health messages about diet and wellness.

Timeline

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Welcome to the Ketones and Coffee Podcast with Lawrence Monet, focusing on the ketogenic lifestyle's benefits for health, featuring expert insights. The episode is sponsored by basic ketogeniclifestyle.com, offering coaching to reverse depression through diet.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Dr. Chris Kenobi, nutrition researcher and author, discusses the dangers of seed oils. He is known for his work on macular degeneration and his recent book highlighting processed foods' health impact.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Lawrence appreciates Dr. Kenobi's research on seed oils and diet's role in chronic diseases. They discuss the significance of seed oils in diseases like obesity and diabetes, referencing historical dietary impacts noted by scientist Weston A. Price.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Dr. Kenobi shares his journey from arthritis patient to diet researcher. Despite challenges, he persisted, recently discovering his diagnosis of gout, highlighting his personal connection to his research endeavors.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    After reading Price's work, Dr. Kenobi hypothesized processed foods contribute to age-related macular degeneration. His research, with Maria Soyinasca, found support across 25 nations, especially linking low vegetable oil consumption to low macular degeneration rates.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Dr. Kenobi details his research methodology and findings, connecting the introduction of vegetable oils to the rise of heart disease. Historical data shows a significant increase in vegetable oil consumption correlating with higher disease rates.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The history and rise of vegetable oils started post-Civil War, replacing traditional fats with products like margarine and Crisco, increasing chronic disease prevalence. This aligns with introduction timelines.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Dr. Kenobi discusses the flawed health guidelines favoring vegetable oils due to their LDL-lowering claims. Despite this, data suggests they are potent oxidants, contributing to heart disease and other chronic conditions.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Even with evidence against vegetable oils, public health institutions pushed them, influenced by financial interests from the food industry, perpetuating misinformation about health impacts.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Dr. Kenobi emphasizes preparing food at home with safer fats like butter or coconut oil. He advises avoiding processed foods and being cautious with restaurant oils, promoting a shift back to traditional cooking methods.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    Highlighting historical and global dietary examples, Dr. Kenobi suggests diverse diets can be healthy if devoid of processed foods and vegetable oils, suggesting failures in modern diet trends driven by industry goals.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:00:00

    He notes the constraining effect of industrial interests on public dietary perceptions, advocating for a diet low in omega-6 fats to prevent chronic diseases like heart disease and cancer.

  • 01:00:00 - 01:06:08

    Dr. Kenobi emphasizes the need to eliminate seed oils, tying low-carb dietary benefits to reduced consumption of these oils, and encouraging homemade meals to control ingredients and avoid processed unsaturated fats.

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Video Q&A

  • Who is Dr. Chris Kenobi?

    Dr. Chris Kenobi is a physician and nutrition researcher known for his work on the dangers of seed oils and their link to chronic diseases.

  • What are the main dangers of vegetable oils according to Dr. Kenobi?

    They are highly polyunsaturated, pro-oxidative, pro-inflammatory, directly toxic to cells, and nutrient deficient.

  • Why did Dr. Kenobi decide to quit his medical practice?

    He left to focus on researching the impact of processed foods and seed oils on age-related macular degeneration.

  • How does Dr. Kenobi suggest people handle vegetable oils in their diet?

    He recommends eliminating processed foods and preparing meals at home using healthier fats like butter or coconut oil.

  • What did Dr. Kenobi find in his research about seed oils and chronic diseases?

    There is a correlation between the rise in seed oil consumption and the increase in chronic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.

  • Why are vegetable oils still popular despite their dangers?

    They are often recommended by major organizations and found in many processed foods.

  • What impact has seed oil consumption had historically?

    Seed oil consumption has increased significantly and has been linked with a rise in various chronic diseases.

  • How can people avoid the harmful effects of seed oils?

    Avoid processed foods, reduce eating out, and use natural animal fats or well-sourced olive oil when cooking.

  • What did Dr. Kenobi discover about macular degeneration in certain populations?

    Populations with low seed oil consumption had no or low incidences of macular degeneration.

  • What are some healthier alternatives to seed oils according to the podcast?

    Butter, coconut oil, and animal fats from naturally raised animals.

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    Dr Chris Kenobi is a physician and
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    nutrition researcher who has been
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    investigating the dangers of seed oils
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    for over a decade he is the founder and
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    director of two foundations The Cure AMD
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    foundation and the ancestral Health
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    Foundation Dr Kenobi is most famous for
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    his groundbreaking work on age-related
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    macular degeneration or AMD and author
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    the book The ancestral dietary strategy
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    to prevent and treat macular
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    degeneration back in 2016. today he
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    joins us to talk about his new book The
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    ancestral diet Revolution which sheds
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    lights on how vegetable oil and
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    processed foods are destroying our
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    health Dr Chris Kenobi who has dedicated
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    the last 10 years to researching The
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    Power of food in preventing chronic
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    diseases Dr Kenobi thank you so much for
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    joining us
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    thanks for having me on Lawrence it's a
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    it's a pleasure I really appreciate it
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    you know your work on uh the dangers of
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    seed oils is truly groundbreaking I've
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    seen some of your talk online and read a
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    few pages of your book
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    and we are eager to really dive deeper
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    into that topic today your book The
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    ancestral diet Revolution you know can
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    be a great resource for anyone who wants
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    to learn more about this and if you're
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    interested it sheds light on how our
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    food choices can really impact our
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    overall health and it's you know
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    essentially talking about no seed the
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    seed oils and how it leads to chronic
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    diseases like obesity the bigger ones
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    diabetes and I'm you know as passionate
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    of an advocate as the next person for
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    just the importance of nutrition in
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    overall Wellness so I'm thrilled to have
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    you sir and discuss that important issue
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    yeah thanks Lauren so it's it's a
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    pleasure and uh you you've already
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    summarized it what we need the main
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    things we need to hit you know that it's
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    uh it is processed foods and it is the
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    highly polyunsaturated vegetable oils
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    that are the the primary drivers and um
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    and I'll just say that you know if it
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    weren't for the work of Western a price
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    I don't know if your your listeners are
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    aware of Western a prices research but
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    if if I might mention Lawrence um you
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    know price was a highly accomplished
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    scientist researcher and dentist who in
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    the 1930s
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    um you know traveled much of the world
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    visiting uh people evaluating people on
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    five continents 14 Nations hundreds of
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    tribes and Villages and thousands upon
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    thousands of individual evaluations and
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    exams and at the time
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    people were
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    transitioning it was a unique time in in
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    the history of the world people were
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    transitioning from their traditional
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    their their native traditional diets
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    over to westernized diets and and what
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    price found is as those people were you
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    know began to consume the our our
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    westernized Foods what a lot of them
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    called the foods of the white man they
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    beca yeah they develop dental decay and
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    and arthritis Cancers and a load of
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    degenerative diseases and the reason but
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    the reason I'm pointing this out partly
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    is that price connected this to what we
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    call recalled the the problems were
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    refined flowers refined sugars
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    uh canned goods sweets confectionery
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    that's how he labeled them uh and
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    vegetable fats he called them which are
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    the vegetable oils and this was
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    something that I I came across prices
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    book nutrition and physical degeneration
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    back in 2013 and when after I read this
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    500 page
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    uh epic
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    book that is is you know staggering in
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    its in in in its uh accomplishments
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    um
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    it changed my world and it it and for
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    the first time ever I had a lens through
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    which I could view all of nutrition and
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    that guides me to this day I use that
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    and the fact that he he nailed vegetable
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    fats as well when they were very low in
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    the diet but he knew that they were
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    nutrient deficient he didn't understand
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    the toxicity because there was no way to
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    understand the toxicity of these oils
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    back in that day but but he knew that
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    those were the foods that were nutrient
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    deficient that were very very low in
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    vitamins and minerals and that that was
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    driving degenerative disease and so ever
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    since then that's that's the lens that I
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    see all of this through and and again I
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    think I said this but it's never failed
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    me
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    so it's it's just brilliant that's
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    that's where all of my research is is
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    focused on
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    so we'll get to the we'll get to those
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    topics in a second here Dr Chris
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    um I believe you know what I was looking
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    into your story your journey hasn't
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    always been easy as you know
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    um as like most of us who changed our
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    lifestyle your dedication I can see that
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    uh spreading the important message there
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    uh very incredible and you know a decade
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    of research you know you're speaking
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    engagement and then your book writing a
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    testament is uh is a testament to that
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    mission
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    um can you tell us to our listeners more
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    about you know your background as a
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    business position and then I understand
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    some health problems in your 30s I
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    believe and then what led you to you
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    know you spoke about it a little bit to
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    becoming a nutrition researcher
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    yeah um so you know this my story really
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    begins it begins back in like 1994 when
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    I was 33 years old
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    um and I began to develop arthritis in
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    my knees and by the time I was 50 in
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    2011
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    um I had arthritis in many joints and uh
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    including my elbows and shoulders and
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    fingers and toes and and
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    um but to keep this short I I uh I did a
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    partial paleo diet and for a while it
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    helped me and over the last 12 years
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    also just to summarize this I've tried
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    virtually everything and it's it's you
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    know it's funny you ask me this now
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    because just in the last several weeks
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    um I finally uncovered what I think may
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    be the answer and it's that this is the
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    first time I've ever mentioned this uh
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    publicly is that I have gout
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    which is a uric acid accumulation and I
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    you know I've probably seen 30
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    physicians in my you know in the last 30
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    well 29 years you know uh about my
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    arthritis and nobody ever mentioned gout
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    but
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    um but I had a friend and colleague of
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    mine Dr Ben Edwards who's a brilliant
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    physician he said Chris this is
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    you know because I was getting worse
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    this year and even a carnivore diet
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    wouldn't solve it which it did before it
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    seemed to solve it pretty well the
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    carnivore diet wouldn't touch it either
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    and I was getting like I said it was
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    getting worse and
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    um and Dr Ben Edwards family physician
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    brilliant guy said it's you know it's
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    got It's either going to be an
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    infectious agent or it's going to be a
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    toxin and it led me on a search finally
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    you know that I found that you know the
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    most inflammatory and
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    um
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    painful arthritis is gout
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    and so I was tested and my uric acid was
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    a bit high and my 24 hour urine uric
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    acid was more than twice the nor the
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    average of a typical healthy male
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    nailing the diagnosis and so now I'm on
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    treatment for for gout but but anyway
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    yeah this is what but when I back in
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    2011 when I went you know kind of a
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    paleo diet I did have for a while
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    I did have a great Improvement in my
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    arthritis and it led me to read Lauren
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    cordain's book The Paleo answer and I
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    was just absolutely blown away because I
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    was trained in a traditional allopathic
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    Medical School the University of
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    Colorado School of Medicine I graduated
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    33 years ago back in 1990 and
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    um
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    I don't think we honestly even had five
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    minutes worth of nutrition training and
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    if we had anything it was wrong Lawrence
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    it was wrong and I um and so you know I
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    uncovered that after I read an article
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    uh by
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    um uh Nina teichel's in 2007 in what was
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    my journal on health back then which was
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    men's fitness
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    I think is what it was because I wasn't
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    I wasn't researching nutrition in those
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    days but her article which I think
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    followed some of Gary taub's work opened
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    my eyes to the fact that the that the
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    Messiah of Kenya and Tanzania consumed a
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    massive amount of saturated fat and it
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    had no heart disease and I knew at the
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    end of this 12 10 or 12 page article or
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    whatever it is that that
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    that allopathic medicine is wrong
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    absolutely wrong and so you know I began
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    at that point to just to distrust
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    allopathic medicine at least in terms of
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    their advice about nutrition which was
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    it was either little or none or wrong
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    right and so anyway that's kind of been
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    you know so so my journey really is born
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    out of my own suffering and
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    and uh you know like a lot of the people
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    in this space I you know I there's so
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    many Physicians as you know that have
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    gotten into their into nutrition
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    research because of their own suffering
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    or their own overweight or diabetes or
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    you know uh or even heart disease uh you
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    know all these things that modern
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    medicine has misled us down the you know
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    down to go down the wrong path and
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    um yeah I when I look back at it quite
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    frankly I when I read Lauren cordain's
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    book The Paleo answer in 2011
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    which I read well while basking in the
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    sun uh in Cabo San Lucas for a week I I
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    was absolutely stunned that all of this
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    chronic disease heart disease cancer
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    strokes and all these things I
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    understand now that is driven by modern
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    processed food it was just life-altering
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    and
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    um you know that that started my journey
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    but I had differences with uh or very
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    early on with Lauren cordain's work
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    there were some differences and I I have
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    immense respect for Lauren cordain but
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    we do we do have a couple of differences
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    and now I'm friends with him and
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    um and it's okay that we have
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    differences everybody does and uh but
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    but anyway
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    um so that that led me down my own path
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    to try to understand nutrition in a
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    better way and and you know to this day
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    you know some 12 years later
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    um and still look at all of this and I I
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    hear people on podcasts and so forth and
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    I still think my gosh I've got so much
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    to learn
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    uh there's this field is so big and
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    there is so much to learn
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    um so I've got a long ways to go so I I
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    love that story I love that journey and
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    you know everybody that I've had on the
  • 00:12:28
    show had some sort of you know their own
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    path to take right yourself you had your
  • 00:12:34
    own path when you had been suffering
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    from arthritis for those few years and
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    and now it's taking you to
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    you know
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    discovering more and more about yourself
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    and meeting meeting a lot of people who
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    are uh in the space making friends and
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    now helping a lot of people you know
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    create that same change in others in
  • 00:12:54
    themselves and and meeting others thank
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    you so much for for telling that story
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    um it was just great uh and what what
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    now led to you you know finding out
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    about vegetable oils now no you talked a
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    little bit about changing your lifestyle
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    to a more paleo diet and what what came
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    next after that
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    yeah good question so in 2013 after I
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    read Lauren I'm sorry after I read
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    Weston a Price's book nutrition and
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    physical degeneration
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    um I began to ruminate on that for
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    months and
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    um by that point I was understanding
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    that at least I knew that processed
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    foods which included refined flours
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    sugars and vegetable oils and trans fats
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    that those are driving all this chronic
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    disease coronary heart disease Strokes
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    cancers diabetes metabolic syndrome
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    obesity I knew that that was the cause
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    and all of a sudden one day as an
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    ophthalmologist I'd you know I'd been in
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    practice uh you know for more than 20
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    years at that point in it and taken care
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    of thousands and thousands of patients
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    with age-related macro degeneration
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    which is a degenerate as the name
  • 00:14:08
    implies is it is a degenerative disease
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    of the macula the central retina which
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    accounts for your central vision
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    and it it just this this light bulb went
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    on I thought could
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    deprocessed foods be driving this
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    disease as well and and I I looked and
  • 00:14:27
    looked I spent weeks you know
  • 00:14:28
    investigating the literature just to see
  • 00:14:30
    had anyone ever hypothesized this and I
  • 00:14:33
    couldn't find that this it was in
  • 00:14:34
    anywhere in the scientific literature or
  • 00:14:37
    in the non-scientific literature as far
  • 00:14:39
    as I could tell and so so that was in
  • 00:14:43
    late 2013 and I began to investigate
  • 00:14:46
    that question
  • 00:14:47
    for about the next year and a half and
  • 00:14:49
    by February of 2015 I was so convinced
  • 00:14:53
    that that hypothesis that just processed
  • 00:14:56
    foods were driving age-related macro
  • 00:14:58
    degeneration that I felt compelled to
  • 00:15:02
    leave practice to pursue that full-time
  • 00:15:04
    and that's what I did and I worked with
  • 00:15:07
    a number of ophthalmologists in the
  • 00:15:10
    South Pacific Islands but primarily I
  • 00:15:12
    worked with a nutrition researcher by
  • 00:15:14
    the name of Maria soyanasca from
  • 00:15:15
    Macedonia who is extraordinary
  • 00:15:18
    researcher and dedicated to you know to
  • 00:15:20
    to helping and she she was an expert at
  • 00:15:24
    mining uh vegetable oil and sugar data
  • 00:15:27
    out of out of existing databases and
  • 00:15:31
    that's what she helped me do and we
  • 00:15:33
    worked on that for about a year together
  • 00:15:35
    and
  • 00:15:37
    um and then I waited uh you know
  • 00:15:41
    excitedly and in fear about as the data
  • 00:15:45
    came in you know whether or not it would
  • 00:15:47
    support the hypothesis and lo and behold
  • 00:15:49
    in 25 Nations the data supported the
  • 00:15:52
    hypothesis in every single case but what
  • 00:15:55
    was interesting was that three of the
  • 00:15:58
    Nations that we that we dug data out of
  • 00:16:01
    and worked with Pacific Ireland
  • 00:16:04
    ophthalmologists where they have almost
  • 00:16:06
    no macro degeneration those islands had
  • 00:16:09
    at least according to the FAO they had
  • 00:16:12
    virtually no vegetable oil consumption
  • 00:16:16
    and they had no macro degeneration and
  • 00:16:18
    even in the island the nation and island
  • 00:16:22
    of kiribas the sugar consumption was
  • 00:16:25
    high but the vegetable oil consumption
  • 00:16:27
    was extremely low it's almost zero and
  • 00:16:30
    they had virtually no macular
  • 00:16:32
    degeneration and so so anyway I
  • 00:16:34
    eventually published a paper on this and
  • 00:16:36
    published a book and started a
  • 00:16:38
    non-profit foundation and I'd done
  • 00:16:40
    accomplished that by 2017 and by and but
  • 00:16:44
    I kept coming back to the fact that the
  • 00:16:46
    the more I investigated the more I
  • 00:16:49
    looked at it I you know I found out that
  • 00:16:51
    that the highly polyunsaturated
  • 00:16:54
    vegetable oils are contain a lot of
  • 00:16:57
    omega-6 fatty acids this is linoleic
  • 00:16:59
    acid is that it counts for 90 of the
  • 00:17:03
    omega-6 fat in
  • 00:17:07
    um in in a uh you know in whatever you
  • 00:17:10
    would get in your omega-6 out of your
  • 00:17:12
    diet ninety percent of that it roughly
  • 00:17:14
    is going to be omega-6 Lin oleic acid
  • 00:17:17
    and
  • 00:17:18
    um
  • 00:17:19
    I I uh
  • 00:17:21
    I I I determined I mean I I found all
  • 00:17:24
    the evidence that these oils in higher
  • 00:17:28
    amounts are pro-oxidative
  • 00:17:30
    pro-inflammatory directly toxic to cells
  • 00:17:33
    and nutrient deficient meaning they
  • 00:17:36
    don't have the fat soluble vitamins like
  • 00:17:38
    the animal the animal fats would be
  • 00:17:40
    associated with and so those are the
  • 00:17:43
    four pillars of Hazard I call that that
  • 00:17:47
    um that you know drove me to keep
  • 00:17:50
    investigating and dig for more and more
  • 00:17:52
    data to see does this data support the
  • 00:17:55
    hypothesis that it's the high omega-6
  • 00:17:58
    seed oils driving the primary drivers
  • 00:18:01
    and this is what as you probably have
  • 00:18:03
    seen that I've connected this and I'm a
  • 00:18:05
    data junkie that I mean I I live by data
  • 00:18:08
    I figure if you don't have data you
  • 00:18:10
    can't prove anything and so so this is
  • 00:18:14
    what I've done which hasn't been done
  • 00:18:16
    for the most part I've you know worked
  • 00:18:18
    with
  • 00:18:19
    um some other investigators to help we
  • 00:18:21
    put together data that shows that over
  • 00:18:25
    and over what we see is is the vegetable
  • 00:18:28
    oil is going up right along with obesity
  • 00:18:32
    metabolic syndrome type 2 diabetes
  • 00:18:35
    Alzheimer's age-related macular
  • 00:18:37
    degeneration dementia probably all
  • 00:18:40
    probably the autoimmune diseases and you
  • 00:18:42
    know the list goes on and it's the same
  • 00:18:45
    thing if you look at it historically you
  • 00:18:47
    know its exact same situation with what
  • 00:18:50
    would be the number you know the number
  • 00:18:51
    one killer which is coronary heart
  • 00:18:52
    disease because if you go back to the
  • 00:18:54
    19th century uh we we know that
  • 00:18:57
    um I've looked at all this in great
  • 00:18:59
    detail and this is in my book and and uh
  • 00:19:02
    it it's you know I've reviewed this in
  • 00:19:04
    many presentations that coronary heart
  • 00:19:06
    disease was just virtually unknown in
  • 00:19:09
    the in the world in the 19th century
  • 00:19:12
    between 1800 and 1900 there's eight
  • 00:19:14
    papers on coronary heart disease eight
  • 00:19:18
    um there'll probably be eight papers
  • 00:19:19
    published on coronary heart disease
  • 00:19:21
    while we make this uh you know this uh
  • 00:19:23
    this podcast and
  • 00:19:26
    um but anyway that's how rare it was and
  • 00:19:29
    there and only two or two of those
  • 00:19:31
    possibly three depending on how you want
  • 00:19:34
    to evaluate those papers reviewed uh
  • 00:19:37
    thrombotic coronary heart disease which
  • 00:19:39
    is the equivalent of a myocardial
  • 00:19:41
    infarction heart attack and so that's
  • 00:19:44
    how rare it was in other words the
  • 00:19:45
    Physicians without getting into the
  • 00:19:47
    great detail the Physicians of that era
  • 00:19:50
    they've never seen a heart attack
  • 00:19:52
    they never witnessed a heart attack now
  • 00:19:54
    some of them had you know they had
  • 00:19:56
    witnessed angina chest pain but for the
  • 00:19:58
    most part they'd never seen a heart
  • 00:19:59
    attack
  • 00:20:00
    um James Herrick published the first
  • 00:20:02
    known heart attack in 1912
  • 00:20:05
    um in the united in the United States
  • 00:20:07
    and document documented that with
  • 00:20:09
    autopsy evidence so in 1910 if you want
  • 00:20:12
    to think of it this way
  • 00:20:14
    that there's virtually no physician had
  • 00:20:16
    seen a heart attack and no one had seen
  • 00:20:18
    a heart attack they didn't know what it
  • 00:20:19
    was in fact they thought you know it
  • 00:20:22
    Cardiology was it was it seemed an
  • 00:20:25
    absurd specialty in that time because
  • 00:20:27
    nobody had any troubles with the heart
  • 00:20:29
    that weren't valvular which came out of
  • 00:20:31
    infectious disease syphilis uh syphilis
  • 00:20:35
    endocarditis uh
  • 00:20:37
    um
  • 00:20:38
    a blanket on the third but anyway a
  • 00:20:41
    rheumatic fever and um so
  • 00:20:43
    so but by the 1930s coronary heart
  • 00:20:46
    disease had become the leading cause of
  • 00:20:48
    death in the United States and so why is
  • 00:20:51
    this well vegetable oils were introduced
  • 00:20:54
    in the United States right after the
  • 00:20:56
    American Civil War ending in 1865 as a
  • 00:20:59
    food they were introduced in 1866 really
  • 00:21:02
    and Americans didn't want vegetable oils
  • 00:21:05
    they they first of all they weren't
  • 00:21:09
    called vegetable oils this the first one
  • 00:21:10
    you know that was available was cotton
  • 00:21:13
    seed oil in other words I'm saying there
  • 00:21:15
    was you know olive oil had been
  • 00:21:18
    available in extraordinarily small
  • 00:21:20
    amounts you know for for Millennia but
  • 00:21:24
    um but no one had ever
  • 00:21:25
    you know had any other oil available as
  • 00:21:29
    a food and Americans didn't want this
  • 00:21:32
    what was being introduced to cottonseed
  • 00:21:34
    oil they didn't want that because they
  • 00:21:37
    knew that they had Associated that with
  • 00:21:38
    being a lamp oil or a machine oil or
  • 00:21:41
    potentially even fertilizer back at that
  • 00:21:43
    time so so but the manufacturers they
  • 00:21:45
    just were looking for profits and they
  • 00:21:47
    so they decided that they would what
  • 00:21:50
    they did was they began to mix the
  • 00:21:52
    cottonseed oil with
  • 00:21:54
    um butter to make margarine
  • 00:21:57
    now this is one of the first ways to get
  • 00:21:59
    into the food supply and the second
  • 00:22:00
    thing they did was they began to
  • 00:22:02
    adulterate olive oil in the 1870s with
  • 00:22:06
    cottonseed oil and I think we sent some
  • 00:22:10
    huge number like 80 000 barrels or
  • 00:22:12
    something like that to Europe in 1880
  • 00:22:15
    and the French made complaint about
  • 00:22:17
    because they knew it wasn't olive oil we
  • 00:22:20
    were supposed to be sending olive oil
  • 00:22:21
    and they and they knew by the taste of
  • 00:22:23
    it that it wasn't olive oil that it was
  • 00:22:25
    adulterated with something else which
  • 00:22:28
    was our cottonseed oil and of course
  • 00:22:30
    eventually in in Procter and Gamble
  • 00:22:32
    created Crisco which is a partially
  • 00:22:35
    hydrogenated fat and that they use the
  • 00:22:39
    way they made that was they took
  • 00:22:40
    cottonseed oil and they bought your
  • 00:22:41
    bubble hydrogen gas through it in the
  • 00:22:44
    presence of a metal Catalyst and that
  • 00:22:46
    produces these trans fats the The
  • 00:22:49
    partially hydrogenated oils but it was
  • 00:22:51
    it was firm as everybody knows and it
  • 00:22:54
    looked looked kind of like lard so they
  • 00:22:57
    so you know their goals were to you know
  • 00:23:00
    ultimately their goals of these
  • 00:23:01
    manufacturers was to replace butter and
  • 00:23:03
    lard they were going to outsell them and
  • 00:23:05
    they and indeed that's what exactly what
  • 00:23:07
    they did you know they told Americans it
  • 00:23:09
    was healthy and they had an
  • 00:23:10
    extraordinary campaign and that's how
  • 00:23:12
    they you know they gradually so this
  • 00:23:15
    this became the perfect storm they
  • 00:23:17
    gradually got these oils into the food
  • 00:23:19
    supply they they they they hid them in
  • 00:23:22
    the food supply they adulterated Foods
  • 00:23:25
    you know they they made margarine they
  • 00:23:28
    made Crisco
  • 00:23:30
    um and gradually we became sick and and
  • 00:23:34
    I think it was it and while we're being
  • 00:23:36
    told that they're healthy right and so
  • 00:23:39
    so when when coronary heart disease
  • 00:23:42
    became the leading cause of death
  • 00:23:45
    um people weren't looking at the history
  • 00:23:46
    very you know really and and something
  • 00:23:48
    that precious few you know researchers
  • 00:23:51
    have ever done is look at the entire
  • 00:23:54
    history and say well what changed in the
  • 00:23:55
    environment or I mean in the food supply
  • 00:23:57
    and all along it's but you know you just
  • 00:24:00
    see this enormous curve of increase so
  • 00:24:02
    I'll just give a couple numbers here
  • 00:24:04
    Lorenzo shut up but you know we so in if
  • 00:24:07
    you look 1865 and this is published we
  • 00:24:10
    uh vegetable oil consumption was zero in
  • 00:24:13
    the United States there would have been
  • 00:24:15
    an extraordinarily small amount of olive
  • 00:24:17
    oil I mean it would have been far less
  • 00:24:20
    than a tenth of a gram per person per
  • 00:24:22
    day
  • 00:24:23
    so it's completely negligible by 1900
  • 00:24:27
    vegetable oil consumption which was only
  • 00:24:29
    cottonseed oil was less than a gram a
  • 00:24:31
    day or you know probably a half a gram
  • 00:24:34
    to a gram a day somewhere in there
  • 00:24:37
    um by 1960 we're at 19 and a half grams
  • 00:24:41
    a day uh I'm sorry 1961 uh in the in uh
  • 00:24:46
    on average in the United States and by
  • 00:24:48
    2010 we're 80 grams of vegetable oil per
  • 00:24:52
    person per day so what is that that is
  • 00:24:55
    80 grams of fat is 720 calories that's
  • 00:24:58
    32 percent of U.S caloric intake and as
  • 00:25:01
    you look at that what we see is is over
  • 00:25:03
    that time we've become progressively
  • 00:25:06
    more obese more diabetic more metabolic
  • 00:25:09
    syndrome more Alzheimer's more dementia
  • 00:25:11
    more macular degeneration more
  • 00:25:14
    autoimmune right all in line with this
  • 00:25:19
    wow there's a lot of information here
  • 00:25:22
    and thank you so much for telling that
  • 00:25:24
    story because
  • 00:25:26
    um first of all it was interesting that
  • 00:25:28
    when you quit your practice it must have
  • 00:25:31
    been so evident to you that you had to
  • 00:25:33
    really uh you know take your time and do
  • 00:25:37
    it full time so and then you were right
  • 00:25:41
    at the end because
  • 00:25:43
    all 25 Nations you said right
  • 00:25:46
    yeah all 25 Nations has found that you
  • 00:25:51
    know the cause the leading cause would
  • 00:25:53
    have been vegetable oil
  • 00:25:55
    yes and you know I recently watched your
  • 00:25:58
    one of your talks uh you know obesity
  • 00:26:01
    diabetes and chronic disease and also uh
  • 00:26:03
    was listening to your interview with
  • 00:26:05
    Casey Ryan on the band you know
  • 00:26:07
    boundless body radio uh shout out Casey
  • 00:26:10
    and there was this show he mentioned
  • 00:26:12
    called How It's Made You know the the
  • 00:26:16
    episode was about seed oil and I've seen
  • 00:26:18
    that episode and how they make them and
  • 00:26:21
    it's incredible process and it's a
  • 00:26:23
    miracle on how they were able to even
  • 00:26:25
    extract oil from that right
  • 00:26:28
    um he had to go through this whole
  • 00:26:29
    chemical process you know you like you
  • 00:26:31
    mentioned earlier and that fact that it
  • 00:26:33
    it's used everywhere and it's hidden
  • 00:26:36
    everywhere
  • 00:26:37
    and you believe that vegetable oil is
  • 00:26:40
    killing us is responsible for obesity
  • 00:26:42
    and diabetes um so you talked about this
  • 00:26:47
    as the vegetable oils popularity grows
  • 00:26:49
    obesity rates also skyrocketed he spoke
  • 00:26:53
    about this correlation earlier
  • 00:26:56
    um the upward trajectory of obesity
  • 00:26:59
    and the increase of usage of vegetables
  • 00:27:02
    are undeniable it's it's right there
  • 00:27:05
    um
  • 00:27:06
    my question is let's you know that's
  • 00:27:08
    really concerning and with with
  • 00:27:10
    something so dangerous why do you think
  • 00:27:13
    the general public hasn't fully grasped
  • 00:27:15
    the severity of this issue because
  • 00:27:17
    they're still using it my my mom she's
  • 00:27:20
    the
  • 00:27:21
    wouldn't listen she I don't think they
  • 00:27:24
    they're getting that message to that to
  • 00:27:27
    the household the household doesn't know
  • 00:27:28
    it that doesn't know this yet but you
  • 00:27:32
    know if you want to see the graph you
  • 00:27:34
    know you can go where can they see the
  • 00:27:37
    graph doctor
  • 00:27:38
    uh you know I so I probably one of my
  • 00:27:43
    one of my most viewed presentations was
  • 00:27:45
    uh you know if they just Google Chris
  • 00:27:47
    Kenobi
  • 00:27:49
    k-n-o-b-e I'm sorry YouTube
  • 00:27:52
    um low carb Denver
  • 00:27:54
    um this is back when I was a young man
  • 00:27:56
    my hair was dark
  • 00:27:58
    as another another part of my uh uh
  • 00:28:02
    nutrition Journey but anyway
  • 00:28:04
    um uh you know I review a lot of this
  • 00:28:07
    there um I've got many presentations the
  • 00:28:10
    ant you know so they people would want
  • 00:28:12
    to view my ancestral Health Symposium uh
  • 00:28:15
    presentations
  • 00:28:17
    um you know I've covered a lot of this
  • 00:28:18
    in those yeah okay yeah so why do you
  • 00:28:21
    think the general public has it fully
  • 00:28:22
    grasped this is you know something so
  • 00:28:24
    dangerous right
  • 00:28:26
    right well it's it's
  • 00:28:28
    for good reason they've been told it's
  • 00:28:31
    healthy and and you know if you go away
  • 00:28:34
    if you go back in history a ways back to
  • 00:28:36
    19 UH 60 and 61 you know is when this
  • 00:28:41
    has been talked about too much I won't
  • 00:28:42
    go into detail but um but Ansel Keys was
  • 00:28:46
    the the physiologist and researcher at
  • 00:28:48
    the University of Minnesota that
  • 00:28:50
    influenced the American Heart
  • 00:28:51
    Association so greatly uh and
  • 00:28:55
    um and they together with a group of
  • 00:29:00
    like-minded
  • 00:29:02
    um influencers uh
  • 00:29:05
    they influenced the American Heart
  • 00:29:08
    Association to to you know to endorse
  • 00:29:10
    the idea that saturated fats cause heart
  • 00:29:14
    disease and vegetable oils in low in
  • 00:29:17
    saturated lower in saturated fat you
  • 00:29:19
    know would have
  • 00:29:21
    um uh benefits and this this really
  • 00:29:24
    stuck and this was the this was the
  • 00:29:27
    belief system that's guided you know
  • 00:29:30
    medicines
  • 00:29:32
    um endorsement of vegetable oils ever
  • 00:29:34
    since and so we have our you know our
  • 00:29:36
    major organizations today like you know
  • 00:29:38
    the the Harvard School of Public Health
  • 00:29:41
    Tufts universities Nutrition department
  • 00:29:43
    Mayo clinics Nutrition department
  • 00:29:47
    um Cleveland Clinic's Nutrition
  • 00:29:48
    department uh of course the American
  • 00:29:50
    Heart Association to this day they're
  • 00:29:52
    all
  • 00:29:53
    recommending you consume vegetable oils
  • 00:29:56
    and keep your saturated fat low like the
  • 00:30:00
    even the World Health Organization still
  • 00:30:02
    tells us today keep your saturated fat
  • 00:30:03
    under 10 and the American Heart
  • 00:30:05
    Association says no more than five to
  • 00:30:07
    six percent so they're telling people
  • 00:30:10
    consume these vegetable oils and I'm
  • 00:30:12
    telling people these are chronic
  • 00:30:14
    metabolic biological poisons and they
  • 00:30:17
    are because of the high omega-6 and the
  • 00:30:20
    fact that they also contain toxic
  • 00:30:22
    aldehydes and if they don't contain
  • 00:30:24
    these toxic aldehydes which we can get
  • 00:30:26
    into if you want to but if they don't
  • 00:30:28
    contain them you will produce them in
  • 00:30:30
    your body when you consume these high
  • 00:30:32
    levels of omega-6 fat
  • 00:30:35
    which we accumulate in our body and and
  • 00:30:37
    sets off this you know this whole
  • 00:30:39
    pro-oxidative environment and and thank
  • 00:30:42
    you for just telling about that history
  • 00:30:43
    because I think that's really important
  • 00:30:45
    to know because without telling that
  • 00:30:47
    history there's no way for people to
  • 00:30:48
    understand why this is happening you
  • 00:30:50
    know you mentioned Ansel keys and and
  • 00:30:53
    his hypothesis and and anything that uh
  • 00:30:57
    come up and then you mentioned I'm the
  • 00:30:59
    American Heart Association which
  • 00:31:01
    which uh
  • 00:31:03
    you know funds most of these
  • 00:31:05
    organizations funds most of this
  • 00:31:07
    research right and when a and you know
  • 00:31:11
    this is just what I heard and whenever
  • 00:31:14
    something opposes their hypothesis they
  • 00:31:17
    are quick to shut it down or not fund
  • 00:31:20
    them and not publish them
  • 00:31:23
    um that's what I heard and that's what I
  • 00:31:25
    believe that uh causes that major issue
  • 00:31:28
    because they they it's that agenda that
  • 00:31:30
    we talk about
  • 00:31:32
    um that's really yeah the big food and
  • 00:31:36
    the uh vegetable oil organizations are
  • 00:31:39
    funding some of our major nutrition
  • 00:31:41
    organizations and this is why like Tufts
  • 00:31:45
    University their their recent I I forget
  • 00:31:47
    what it's called but they're you know
  • 00:31:49
    their recommendations for
  • 00:31:51
    for uh healthy food
  • 00:31:54
    um includes a bunch of uh uh you know
  • 00:31:57
    ridiculously processed foods I can't
  • 00:32:00
    think of what what they are right off
  • 00:32:01
    the top of my head but why is that well
  • 00:32:04
    this is where their funding is coming
  • 00:32:06
    from is from big food and vegetable oil
  • 00:32:10
    uh manufacturers
  • 00:32:12
    um are and and so they because they have
  • 00:32:15
    very deep pockets and they're they they
  • 00:32:18
    can fund a lot of This research they're
  • 00:32:20
    influencing the research and they're
  • 00:32:23
    they're influencing these organizations
  • 00:32:25
    and yeah it's but you know Americans are
  • 00:32:27
    not stupid and they they they you know
  • 00:32:31
    for example
  • 00:32:33
    um there there's a there's a published
  • 00:32:36
    article that shows that I think it was
  • 00:32:38
    70 of Americans believe that coconut oil
  • 00:32:41
    which is the highest saturated fat oil
  • 00:32:44
    there is
  • 00:32:46
    um with only it only has two percent
  • 00:32:49
    omega-6 linoleic acid it's 91 to 95
  • 00:32:53
    saturated fat
  • 00:32:55
    Americans believe 70 of them that
  • 00:32:58
    coconut oil is healthy but guess what
  • 00:33:00
    you know Harvard tells us it's dangerous
  • 00:33:03
    right that's what they tell us it's a
  • 00:33:06
    dangerous fat and so it this is this is
  • 00:33:09
    proof that Americans are waking up and
  • 00:33:12
    they're saying look you know we cannot
  • 00:33:14
    trust Harvard and I think there's in a
  • 00:33:17
    Essence they're saying we can't trust
  • 00:33:18
    Tufts you know the nutrition departments
  • 00:33:21
    at Tufts and mayo and Cleveland Clinic
  • 00:33:23
    and so on when they're telling us to
  • 00:33:25
    consume these vegetables they're
  • 00:33:26
    starting to get the idea I think that a
  • 00:33:28
    lot of people are starting to get the
  • 00:33:29
    idea that that these oils are indeed
  • 00:33:33
    dangerous and and I'll just say one
  • 00:33:36
    other thing
  • 00:33:37
    Lawrence is that
  • 00:33:38
    if you ask the question well why do they
  • 00:33:41
    recommend these organizations like
  • 00:33:43
    Harvard why are they recommending
  • 00:33:45
    vegetable oils what possible good could
  • 00:33:48
    could there be come from it and there's
  • 00:33:50
    one reason I can't I've looked and
  • 00:33:53
    looked and looked and I can't come up
  • 00:33:54
    with any other thing other than one
  • 00:33:56
    reason and it's the fact that they lower
  • 00:33:58
    LDL cholesterol and indeed they do and I
  • 00:34:03
    I kind of half ingest say you know when
  • 00:34:06
    I'm speaking live on stage
  • 00:34:09
    so does Arsenic lower LDL cholesterol it
  • 00:34:13
    does and it does it for the same reasons
  • 00:34:16
    that I think that you know that uh
  • 00:34:20
    vegetable oil is lower uh LDL
  • 00:34:22
    cholesterol because they it they both
  • 00:34:25
    are strong oxidants and oxidation which
  • 00:34:29
    is like rusting inside your body is an
  • 00:34:31
    incredibly dangerous process I mean a
  • 00:34:35
    good dose of arsenic will kill you in a
  • 00:34:38
    day why because of oxidation and guess
  • 00:34:41
    what this is exactly what vegetable oils
  • 00:34:43
    are doing to us except they don't do it
  • 00:34:45
    in a day I don't think if you drink a
  • 00:34:46
    half a gallon of vegetable oil that
  • 00:34:48
    you'll die tonight
  • 00:34:50
    um but you know but they're killing us
  • 00:34:53
    uh over over a long period of time
  • 00:34:56
    because they're chronic metabolic
  • 00:34:57
    biological poisons then they've
  • 00:34:59
    accomplished this primarily through
  • 00:35:01
    oxidation and when so vegetable oils the
  • 00:35:04
    omega-6 is incorporated into LDL
  • 00:35:07
    cholesterol and it causes because those
  • 00:35:10
    are unsaturated fats which are highly
  • 00:35:12
    prone oxidation the LDL cholesterol
  • 00:35:15
    oxidizes and when it oxidizes we call it
  • 00:35:19
    a different name LDL Ox for oxidation
  • 00:35:21
    and that is the LDL that is then taken
  • 00:35:25
    up into your arteries in the form of
  • 00:35:28
    atherosclerotic plaques it's pulled out
  • 00:35:30
    of circulation and pulled into the um
  • 00:35:34
    through the endothelium and into the the
  • 00:35:36
    uh the adventitia
  • 00:35:38
    uh where it begins and propagates an
  • 00:35:41
    atherosclerotic plaque and so yes this
  • 00:35:44
    is why your cholesterol does go down
  • 00:35:46
    your and it and for exactly the the
  • 00:35:50
    wrong reason that you hoped it would
  • 00:35:52
    right and so you know there's so much
  • 00:35:56
    evidence that LDL cholesterol if it's
  • 00:35:58
    unoxidized it has no danger whatsoever
  • 00:36:01
    so this is why if you look at LDL
  • 00:36:05
    cholesterol it can be all over the board
  • 00:36:07
    has absolutely zero almost zero
  • 00:36:10
    relationship with coronary heart disease
  • 00:36:12
    it has to be oxidized
  • 00:36:14
    the way we talk about visual oil right
  • 00:36:17
    now you know if you're listening you
  • 00:36:18
    have to stop using it right away because
  • 00:36:21
    look at you know what we've described
  • 00:36:23
    here it's heart disease obesity
  • 00:36:26
    type 2 diabetes oh all of these are in
  • 00:36:28
    the top but the top killers in in
  • 00:36:32
    America right so are we saying if we
  • 00:36:35
    just stop
  • 00:36:36
    uh taking in vegetable oil cooking with
  • 00:36:39
    vegetable oil but the problem is now Dr
  • 00:36:41
    Chris is it's all it's hidden everywhere
  • 00:36:43
    like your pastry has it your fast food
  • 00:36:46
    has it it's it's it's everywhere and
  • 00:36:49
    it's like how do how should we look at
  • 00:36:52
    vegetable oil now like now that we know
  • 00:36:55
    this information
  • 00:36:57
    it's it's you you mentioned you talked
  • 00:37:01
    about vegetables are killing us and it's
  • 00:37:02
    hidden everywhere right how do you look
  • 00:37:05
    at vegetable now uh personally
  • 00:37:09
    yeah so
  • 00:37:12
    let me say that I think you know the big
  • 00:37:15
    picture to me is really simple
  • 00:37:19
    I I just tell people you know you have
  • 00:37:22
    to if you want to be healthy or get
  • 00:37:24
    healthy if you have any chronic disease
  • 00:37:27
    conditions you have to eliminate
  • 00:37:29
    vegetable oil it you know it's it now
  • 00:37:32
    it's harder than it sounds but here's
  • 00:37:35
    how you can simplify that is prepare
  • 00:37:37
    your own food and let me name these
  • 00:37:40
    these highly polyunsaturated vegetable
  • 00:37:42
    oils the ones that I would tell
  • 00:37:44
    everybody to get off their list and
  • 00:37:46
    their soybean corn canola cottonseed
  • 00:37:49
    rapeseed grape seed sunflower safflower
  • 00:37:52
    rice bran Sesame and peanut oils those
  • 00:37:56
    are the ones that are high in omega-6
  • 00:37:58
    linoleic acid they're all above 20
  • 00:38:01
    omega-6 linoleic acid they range from 20
  • 00:38:04
    percent with canola oil up to 78 percent
  • 00:38:07
    with um safflower oil and
  • 00:38:11
    um and you know uh the two the two most
  • 00:38:14
    commonly used oils in the United States
  • 00:38:16
    by Far and Away number one is soybean
  • 00:38:18
    oil and it's about 54 to 56
  • 00:38:20
    omega-6 linoleic acid and again that's
  • 00:38:23
    the the omega-6 component that we want
  • 00:38:26
    to avoid
  • 00:38:28
    um
  • 00:38:29
    at all costs well let's contrast that to
  • 00:38:32
    what is the omega-6 linoleic acid in
  • 00:38:35
    butter
  • 00:38:36
    uh good quality lard uh you know coming
  • 00:38:40
    from pigs raised naturally and not on
  • 00:38:43
    corn and soy and or even chicken fat on
  • 00:38:46
    chickens raised naturally without corn
  • 00:38:50
    and soy which raises their omega-6 but
  • 00:38:52
    anyway those animals they're omega-6 and
  • 00:38:55
    their body fat will all be around two to
  • 00:38:58
    two and a half percent or even lower
  • 00:39:00
    butter is is roughly one and a half
  • 00:39:03
    percent to two percent omega-6 linoleic
  • 00:39:06
    acid and that's where you know that's
  • 00:39:08
    where all the natural animal fats would
  • 00:39:11
    be and of course this is what we're this
  • 00:39:14
    is the added fats that that you know
  • 00:39:18
    have been uh Staples of diets worldwide
  • 00:39:22
    for all of history and
  • 00:39:26
    um so this is what you need to go back
  • 00:39:27
    to but how do you do that is you mainly
  • 00:39:31
    I think you have to eliminate processed
  • 00:39:34
    foods and you have to be extraordinarily
  • 00:39:37
    careful if you're eating out
  • 00:39:40
    and today I think the statistic that I
  • 00:39:43
    recall is that Americans are consuming
  • 00:39:46
    about 50 percent of their Foods away
  • 00:39:49
    from home meaning those are foods
  • 00:39:52
    prepared in restaurants or prepared in
  • 00:39:55
    fast you know their fast food which is
  • 00:39:57
    about 18 of the American diet or in
  • 00:40:00
    cafeterias like at hospitals which serve
  • 00:40:02
    terrible food because they endorse this
  • 00:40:04
    idea of vegetables like they typically
  • 00:40:06
    are going to put soybean or Canola in
  • 00:40:08
    there in their foods and so so this is
  • 00:40:12
    all
  • 00:40:13
    um this is all exceedingly dangerous so
  • 00:40:15
    I say the number one way to get healthy
  • 00:40:18
    and eliminate these oils is prepare your
  • 00:40:21
    own food like you know we prepare and I
  • 00:40:24
    cook all the time but we prepare like
  • 00:40:25
    around I would say close to 95 of our
  • 00:40:29
    food at home and then you're in complete
  • 00:40:32
    control and you can you can cook with I
  • 00:40:34
    would say cook with butter and unless
  • 00:40:36
    you can't tolerate better for some
  • 00:40:38
    reason coconut oil would be your next
  • 00:40:41
    best choice or Palm kernel oil those are
  • 00:40:45
    both two percent omega-6 linoleic acid
  • 00:40:48
    olive oil is this is a complicated topic
  • 00:40:53
    but I'll try to simplify olive oil on
  • 00:40:55
    average is about 10
  • 00:40:57
    omega-6 linoleic acid but it runs the
  • 00:40:59
    gamut from around two percent up to 20
  • 00:41:02
    or I'm sorry three percent up to 22
  • 00:41:05
    percent
  • 00:41:06
    omega-6 linoleic acid so you don't know
  • 00:41:08
    what you're getting number two is is
  • 00:41:10
    that 79 of the um of the olive oil in
  • 00:41:14
    the United States is either adulterated
  • 00:41:16
    or can't meet good quality criteria set
  • 00:41:19
    forth by the North American olive oil
  • 00:41:21
    Association that uh whatever that is the
  • 00:41:24
    naoa I believe it is um or oh I've got
  • 00:41:28
    those wrong but anyway North American
  • 00:41:29
    olive oil Association is what is what
  • 00:41:33
    qualifies those and so here the problem
  • 00:41:36
    is oh you've got you know eight out of
  • 00:41:38
    ten bottles of uh of so-called olive oil
  • 00:41:42
    are you know they're they're poor
  • 00:41:45
    quality and or a whole lot of those are
  • 00:41:47
    adulterated again this adulteration that
  • 00:41:50
    began in the 1870s in the U.S of oils it
  • 00:41:53
    can it continues and it's even worse
  • 00:41:55
    today and it's true in Europe and
  • 00:41:58
    probably everywhere because there
  • 00:42:01
    there's a whole underground operation
  • 00:42:03
    adulterating these oils for profit so
  • 00:42:06
    you have to be so if you're going to
  • 00:42:08
    consume olive oil let's say make
  • 00:42:10
    absolutely certain that you've proven
  • 00:42:12
    for sure it is an authentic fresh oil I
  • 00:42:15
    would probably want to visit the um the
  • 00:42:18
    company that
  • 00:42:20
    um that where the olives are grown and
  • 00:42:22
    see it and know for sure that that's
  • 00:42:25
    what you're consuming otherwise I just I
  • 00:42:27
    think it's you got to be very careful
  • 00:42:29
    you have to do your a lot of
  • 00:42:30
    Investigation if you're going to consume
  • 00:42:31
    olive oil absolutely that's a great
  • 00:42:33
    point and also I want to go back Dr
  • 00:42:35
    Chris to the heart disease point because
  • 00:42:39
    so are we saying that the fact that we
  • 00:42:41
    have it wrong we have it wrong uh of
  • 00:42:44
    what causes heart disease that's been
  • 00:42:46
    causing this rise in uh vegetable usage
  • 00:42:51
    because
  • 00:42:52
    if if vegetable oil hasn't has never
  • 00:42:55
    been discovered then you're saying we
  • 00:43:00
    don't we wouldn't have any
  • 00:43:03
    obesity epidemic or heart disease
  • 00:43:05
    epidemic basically
  • 00:43:08
    yeah I really I think we wouldn't now
  • 00:43:11
    if if you're if your diet was
  • 00:43:15
    you can have a terrible diet without
  • 00:43:17
    vegetable oil by eating processed foods
  • 00:43:20
    that don't have vegetable oil and you
  • 00:43:23
    will get degenerative diseases
  • 00:43:25
    um just as Pride Western price found
  • 00:43:27
    back in the 1930s
  • 00:43:29
    you if I think if you don't have any
  • 00:43:33
    vegetable oils at all your risk of
  • 00:43:35
    having obesity and probably diabetes
  • 00:43:38
    drops
  • 00:43:40
    drops incredibly the uh uh to incredibly
  • 00:43:45
    low levels
  • 00:43:46
    um I think it's almost impossible to
  • 00:43:49
    develop diabetes without higher omega-6
  • 00:43:52
    diet so but if let's just say that your
  • 00:43:55
    diet if your diet is you know loaded
  • 00:43:58
    with sugar and refined flowers
  • 00:44:01
    um but no vegetable oils you're going to
  • 00:44:03
    get degenerative disease and and
  • 00:44:07
    um that will include dental decay and
  • 00:44:09
    probably arthritis and may may even
  • 00:44:13
    involve you know it probably will
  • 00:44:15
    involve a substantially higher risk of
  • 00:44:17
    cancer
  • 00:44:19
    um so
  • 00:44:21
    um so you don't want that either and the
  • 00:44:23
    worst case scenario is when you put all
  • 00:44:26
    that together so you have a nutrient
  • 00:44:27
    deficient diet with significant added
  • 00:44:30
    sugars and refined flowers again
  • 00:44:32
    processed foods and then you have the
  • 00:44:34
    vegetable oils you put in there which
  • 00:44:37
    creates you know even further nutrient
  • 00:44:39
    deficiency plus all the the
  • 00:44:40
    pro-oxidative and toxic environment and
  • 00:44:43
    now you've got The Perfect Storm to
  • 00:44:46
    create just massive disease and this is
  • 00:44:49
    exactly where we are today especially in
  • 00:44:52
    the United States which is the you know
  • 00:44:54
    where we have the the leading the
  • 00:44:57
    highest obesity in the world of all the
  • 00:45:00
    developed Nations 42 and a half percent
  • 00:45:02
    obesity in 2018.
  • 00:45:05
    um yeah uh you know we ranks amongst the
  • 00:45:08
    hot you know the highest of the
  • 00:45:09
    developed nations in diabetes
  • 00:45:12
    um you know we're really just about the
  • 00:45:14
    worst in in most most metrics the fact
  • 00:45:18
    that you know
  • 00:45:20
    we are a calories and calories out
  • 00:45:23
    nation that you know that's what we
  • 00:45:26
    that's what the doctors say too you have
  • 00:45:28
    to lose weight exercise more the fact
  • 00:45:29
    that they say that it I think as on to
  • 00:45:34
    this problem because if someone's obese
  • 00:45:37
    and your doctor says you just gotta eat
  • 00:45:39
    less exercise more no mention of
  • 00:45:41
    vegetable oil no mention of uh sugar or
  • 00:45:45
    carbs no mention of anything but just
  • 00:45:47
    eating less and exercising more
  • 00:45:49
    it it puts the blame and the honest on
  • 00:45:52
    the person who's suffering from obesity
  • 00:45:54
    not vegetable oil
  • 00:45:57
    I think adds on to exactly it's that
  • 00:46:00
    it's that mindset of you got if you're
  • 00:46:04
    fat you gotta eat less exercise more uh
  • 00:46:06
    and put and go on a low-fat diet
  • 00:46:10
    right yeah you know
  • 00:46:12
    right yeah I think it was I think Robert
  • 00:46:15
    lustig said a long time ago you know if
  • 00:46:17
    if telling people to eat less and
  • 00:46:20
    exercise more worked we would have
  • 00:46:22
    solved this would have been solved a
  • 00:46:24
    long time ago
  • 00:46:25
    um it's a it's a dangerous message and
  • 00:46:29
    um it it's it's a message that is
  • 00:46:34
    um just absolutely uh 100 wrong
  • 00:46:36
    responsible oh it is irresponsible yeah
  • 00:46:39
    if this is what you say if vegetable
  • 00:46:41
    oils are actually killing us and I I
  • 00:46:43
    believe so right because I've taken it
  • 00:46:47
    out my diet and I feel great and I've
  • 00:46:49
    seen a lot of people changed their
  • 00:46:52
    lifestyle and and how and how they you
  • 00:46:54
    know how they have you know uh reverse
  • 00:46:59
    chronic illnesses like type 2 diabetes
  • 00:47:01
    and obesity
  • 00:47:02
    it's it I believe it's so much but as
  • 00:47:06
    you can say if if vegetable oils are
  • 00:47:07
    killing us
  • 00:47:08
    then
  • 00:47:10
    since it's everywhere it's everywhere
  • 00:47:12
    it's in baked goods right it's it's in
  • 00:47:15
    processed foods it's in fast foods
  • 00:47:17
    it's
  • 00:47:19
    it's really hard to really push this
  • 00:47:21
    message out and I I have have you have
  • 00:47:25
    you seen any pushback or anything from
  • 00:47:28
    your uh community that have you seen
  • 00:47:32
    that tried to silence you in any way
  • 00:47:38
    uh I'll tell you it's been incredibly
  • 00:47:41
    hard to publish
  • 00:47:43
    um this evidence
  • 00:47:45
    um we're up against that as we speak
  • 00:47:48
    um there has not you know we tried
  • 00:47:51
    including some of my
  • 00:47:54
    um Ophthalmology colleagues
  • 00:47:56
    we tried for several years to get on
  • 00:47:58
    stages to present this at conferences
  • 00:48:02
    um and uh and I'm again and with retina
  • 00:48:05
    specialist colleagues
  • 00:48:07
    um included in my group and we were
  • 00:48:10
    turned down every single time and I
  • 00:48:12
    stopped I stopped even submitting
  • 00:48:14
    abstracts back in 2019 or 2020 because
  • 00:48:17
    it was just in and at this point a total
  • 00:48:20
    waste in time until we get more papers
  • 00:48:22
    uh published they don't want to hear it
  • 00:48:26
    um so there's been a lot of pushback
  • 00:48:27
    there
  • 00:48:29
    um I will say quite frankly that you
  • 00:48:31
    know
  • 00:48:32
    um the some of the low carb Community
  • 00:48:35
    does does not appreciate my work because
  • 00:48:39
    um you know this this work you know
  • 00:48:41
    shows that it it's really not about
  • 00:48:45
    macronutrient ratios we you know we see
  • 00:48:48
    macronutrient ratios in healthy
  • 00:48:49
    populations that are all over the board
  • 00:48:52
    I've presented on this you know many
  • 00:48:54
    many times now that you know for example
  • 00:48:57
    I'll just give a couple of examples that
  • 00:48:59
    you know I've shown that like the the uh
  • 00:49:02
    the Maasai uh Warriors of Kenya and
  • 00:49:05
    Tanzania their their diet is 66 animal
  • 00:49:09
    fat uh 14 carbohydrate and
  • 00:49:13
    um where do they get all their fats all
  • 00:49:15
    coming from uh milk and uh their their
  • 00:49:19
    cows put out very very high amount of
  • 00:49:21
    fat but anyway so 66 animal fat their
  • 00:49:24
    diet's 40 to 46 percent saturated animal
  • 00:49:27
    fat they're incredibly healthy people
  • 00:49:30
    they don't have heart disease they don't
  • 00:49:32
    have diabetes they don't have obesity or
  • 00:49:35
    even overweight really
  • 00:49:37
    um incredibly lean and fit
  • 00:49:40
    um so
  • 00:49:41
    um you know that's that's that should
  • 00:49:44
    tell us everything we need to know about
  • 00:49:45
    saturated fat right there the TOC
  • 00:49:47
    allowance traditionally their diet was
  • 00:49:50
    you know
  • 00:49:52
    um based largely on coconut starts to uh
  • 00:49:57
    coconut fish starchy tubers and fruit
  • 00:49:59
    their diet is 50
  • 00:50:02
    saturated fat in the man 51 saturated
  • 00:50:05
    fat in the women I believe it was or 49
  • 00:50:08
    and 51 but anyway they average 50
  • 00:50:10
    percent saturated fat in their diet
  • 00:50:13
    that's the highest saturated fat diet in
  • 00:50:15
    the world
  • 00:50:16
    um they uh yeah they have no heart
  • 00:50:18
    disease no diabetes no will be virtually
  • 00:50:21
    no obesity they're incredibly healthy
  • 00:50:24
    the Papua New guineans of tucasenta
  • 00:50:27
    shown way back by Senate white studied
  • 00:50:30
    them for four years it's the most
  • 00:50:31
    comprehensive study of a of a
  • 00:50:36
    hunter-gatherer population in all of
  • 00:50:38
    history and one of the most you know
  • 00:50:41
    well-completed constructed studies the
  • 00:50:44
    Papua New guineans of tucasento were
  • 00:50:46
    consuming more than 90 of their diet as
  • 00:50:48
    sweet potatoes their diet was 94.6
  • 00:50:51
    carbohydrate three percent fat 2.4
  • 00:50:54
    percent protein
  • 00:50:56
    um and yet they were lean fit had no
  • 00:51:01
    diabetes had no heart disease they had
  • 00:51:04
    they weren't perfect health they had
  • 00:51:06
    dental decay that was severe and they
  • 00:51:09
    had arthritis that was pretty severe and
  • 00:51:11
    I I think this was primarily driven by
  • 00:51:14
    the fact that they had so little uh
  • 00:51:17
    animal foods which I I'm sorry I didn't
  • 00:51:19
    mention was they would occasionally
  • 00:51:20
    Feast on pork and chicken so they're the
  • 00:51:22
    closest population I've ever seen to
  • 00:51:25
    being completely vegan
  • 00:51:27
    um you know but but they're not vegan
  • 00:51:28
    they would they would Feast on pork when
  • 00:51:30
    they could
  • 00:51:32
    um but it wasn't very often and they
  • 00:51:33
    would rarely eat chicken but anyway way
  • 00:51:36
    but that's gives them so little fat
  • 00:51:38
    soluble vitamins I think that drove this
  • 00:51:40
    you know their their dental decay and
  • 00:51:43
    their joint Decay leading to the
  • 00:51:45
    arthritis perhaps it could be that the
  • 00:51:47
    high Omega or the high uh sweet potatoes
  • 00:51:50
    is driving High oxalate too that could
  • 00:51:52
    be an issue I don't know for sure
  • 00:51:56
    um you know the okinawans I I might be
  • 00:51:58
    going on here too long with the
  • 00:51:59
    okinawans very similar to the Papua New
  • 00:52:02
    guineans of the Tucson in a lot of ways
  • 00:52:04
    their diet in up through uh 1950 and was
  • 00:52:09
    um and based on centuries of evidence
  • 00:52:12
    um was
  • 00:52:13
    85
  • 00:52:15
    sweet potatoes and then they consumed
  • 00:52:19
    significant pork and then vegetables but
  • 00:52:21
    that was their diet traditionally and
  • 00:52:23
    then after 1950 their diets are going
  • 00:52:25
    down in sweet potatoes and
  • 00:52:28
    um they they began to consume more uh
  • 00:52:31
    More westernized Foods right and they
  • 00:52:34
    began to consume more vegetable oils but
  • 00:52:36
    you know in 1960 they were in phenomenal
  • 00:52:38
    Health at a diet of 84 the same with the
  • 00:52:41
    Japanese the mainland Japanese whose
  • 00:52:43
    diet was all white right I mean it was
  • 00:52:44
    84 white rice
  • 00:52:47
    um they were both in phenomenal health
  • 00:52:48
    and uh but over the next five decades
  • 00:52:52
    their um their carbohydrates went down
  • 00:52:55
    their
  • 00:52:57
    um their total calories went down their
  • 00:53:00
    sugar went down after 1989 and but
  • 00:53:03
    they're but their vegetable oils went
  • 00:53:05
    from nine grams a day in 1961 up to 39
  • 00:53:10
    grams a day a four and a half old
  • 00:53:11
    increase by 2004 I believe it was
  • 00:53:14
    and with that obesity in the men during
  • 00:53:17
    that period doubled it went from 16 to
  • 00:53:20
    31 approximately breast cancer went up
  • 00:53:24
    five-fold
  • 00:53:26
    um during that during that period
  • 00:53:28
    multiple other cancers cancers went up
  • 00:53:30
    you know more double to Triple or more
  • 00:53:34
    um
  • 00:53:35
    uh age-related macular degeneration went
  • 00:53:38
    up 82 fold from 0.2 percent in the 1970s
  • 00:53:42
    to uh sixteen point three seven percent
  • 00:53:45
    I believe it was by 2013. 82-fold
  • 00:53:48
    increase in macular degeneration and
  • 00:53:50
    then the the the one that tops them all
  • 00:53:53
    diabetes went from point zero two
  • 00:53:55
    percent in 1954 to
  • 00:54:00
    um I think it's six point something
  • 00:54:02
    percent in about 2007 I believe anyway
  • 00:54:07
    it went up 345 fold
  • 00:54:10
    in diabetes so while their calories went
  • 00:54:13
    down their carbohydrates went down and
  • 00:54:15
    their sugar was going down after 1989.
  • 00:54:17
    their diabetes and obesity and and
  • 00:54:22
    Cancers
  • 00:54:24
    um
  • 00:54:24
    you know uh all going through the roof
  • 00:54:27
    right there's really like there's what
  • 00:54:29
    are you going to point your finger at
  • 00:54:31
    and their smoking went way down
  • 00:54:34
    um during that period went way down from
  • 00:54:36
    78 or I believe it was in 19 you know
  • 00:54:39
    six in the 19 around 1960 down to 40
  • 00:54:42
    some percent by the 2000s so um yeah
  • 00:54:46
    it's the evidence just always leads me
  • 00:54:49
    back to you know it's it's yeah it's
  • 00:54:51
    best it's highly polyunsaturated
  • 00:54:53
    vegetable oil so if there's any takeaway
  • 00:54:55
    here Dr Chris I think you know you we
  • 00:54:57
    talk about just uh you know as you can
  • 00:55:00
    see like at this point for Generations
  • 00:55:03
    we are
  • 00:55:05
    genetically genetically compromised like
  • 00:55:08
    it
  • 00:55:10
    Americans or they've been eating this
  • 00:55:13
    way for for generations and were
  • 00:55:16
    genetically compromised and I believe
  • 00:55:17
    that you know
  • 00:55:19
    having to go into I mean people in the
  • 00:55:24
    low carb or keto world right I believe
  • 00:55:27
    going into ketosis having that
  • 00:55:29
    therapeutic effect has that effect on
  • 00:55:30
    our bodies to heal itself
  • 00:55:34
    um but I I believe that
  • 00:55:36
    I believe what you're saying that
  • 00:55:39
    and and there's proof in the pudding
  • 00:55:41
    here when you talked about the evidence
  • 00:55:43
    that we have in front of us
  • 00:55:46
    um as you can see like vegetable oils
  • 00:55:47
    today 51 of Americans are either
  • 00:55:49
    diabetic or pre-diabetic this is in 2016
  • 00:55:53
    and 34 million are diabetic
  • 00:55:56
    so there's there's evidence there and if
  • 00:55:59
    you can if you guys all the listeners
  • 00:56:01
    right now if you guys can go to uh Dr
  • 00:56:04
    Chris Kenobi we'll link it down in the
  • 00:56:06
    description box below uh watch is full
  • 00:56:09
    uh uh watches for presentation and on on
  • 00:56:14
    this topic and I believe that this will
  • 00:56:16
    you know shed some light on those
  • 00:56:19
    pressing questions that you have right
  • 00:56:20
    now
  • 00:56:22
    um go there and it will there will be
  • 00:56:24
    your answers will be your questions will
  • 00:56:27
    be answered over there but uh like like
  • 00:56:29
    I said it is uh it is I'm open to
  • 00:56:32
    learning a lot more about this and
  • 00:56:34
    reading more about reading in on more
  • 00:56:37
    about your book uh the ancestral
  • 00:56:40
    um
  • 00:56:41
    what was that called I'm sorry
  • 00:56:44
    uh the ancestral diet Revolution I have
  • 00:56:47
    to think about it myself yeah
  • 00:56:51
    and yeah there's a lot here that I wanna
  • 00:56:55
    get into and yeah it'll it should be
  • 00:56:58
    published on May 15th awesome yeah
  • 00:57:01
    that's yeah um yeah no you know I want
  • 00:57:04
    to could I just say interject one thing
  • 00:57:06
    here
  • 00:57:07
    um Lawrence is that
  • 00:57:09
    um I I do believe that in general that
  • 00:57:12
    the low carb diets have you know have
  • 00:57:14
    have helped people
  • 00:57:16
    um substantially more than low fat and
  • 00:57:19
    and uh but I I believe and I've been
  • 00:57:22
    investigating this and and actually
  • 00:57:24
    presenting on this since 2019 at the
  • 00:57:26
    ancestral Health Symposium I first
  • 00:57:28
    presented this evidence that that I
  • 00:57:31
    think the main reason that low carb is
  • 00:57:33
    working is because number a well first I
  • 00:57:37
    don't even talk about this so much but
  • 00:57:38
    when if you go low carb you obviously
  • 00:57:41
    you're getting rid of you're generally
  • 00:57:43
    you're getting rid of sugar and refined
  • 00:57:45
    flowers right so that that's a that's
  • 00:57:47
    beneficial right there if you do that
  • 00:57:49
    number two though and I think more even
  • 00:57:51
    more important is that
  • 00:57:54
    the carbohydrates are associated with
  • 00:57:57
    vegetable oils in processed food in
  • 00:58:00
    restaurant food and in fast food so
  • 00:58:02
    think about it you know it's the
  • 00:58:04
    potatoes the rice and the pasta and even
  • 00:58:08
    the bread that is associated with
  • 00:58:11
    vegetable oils so if you just eliminate
  • 00:58:13
    those even though you don't you don't
  • 00:58:15
    really think about the fact that you're
  • 00:58:16
    getting rid of these oils but you know
  • 00:58:18
    if you don't have french fries you don't
  • 00:58:20
    have potato chips you don't have you
  • 00:58:23
    know I don't know pancakes made in you
  • 00:58:25
    know cooked in vegetable oil for you
  • 00:58:27
    know you just go on and on you know all
  • 00:58:29
    these rice dishes like a lot of the
  • 00:58:31
    Asian dishes they're they're all being
  • 00:58:34
    cooked in vegetable oil now like Chinese
  • 00:58:36
    restaurants Japanese restaurants Korean
  • 00:58:39
    restaurants and Indian restaurants I
  • 00:58:41
    can't find a one who's none of them are
  • 00:58:43
    cooking with animal fat they didn't a
  • 00:58:46
    lot of them don't even a lot of most
  • 00:58:47
    restaurants you know especially fast
  • 00:58:51
    foods restaurants they're never going to
  • 00:58:52
    have butter they're not going to have
  • 00:58:54
    even a a gram of butter in the
  • 00:58:57
    restaurant they have you know five
  • 00:59:00
    gallon containers of vegetable oil and
  • 00:59:03
    that's what goes into their food so in
  • 00:59:05
    other words so when you when you when
  • 00:59:07
    you go low carb you're dropping your
  • 00:59:10
    omega-6 typically
  • 00:59:12
    without even realizing it I think this
  • 00:59:14
    is the primary reason that low carb is
  • 00:59:17
    is working but if people understand this
  • 00:59:20
    in my view then you know it opens up the
  • 00:59:24
    uh the possibility to change your your
  • 00:59:26
    diet in a way that works better for you
  • 00:59:28
    so I support low carb I support low fat
  • 00:59:32
    bodybuilders
  • 00:59:35
    bodybuilders are you know historically I
  • 00:59:38
    I you know I've been in gyms you know
  • 00:59:40
    for 40 years and I've been around a lot
  • 00:59:42
    of had a lot of bodybuilder friends and
  • 00:59:45
    they they're all they're all low-fat
  • 00:59:47
    guys pretty much
  • 00:59:49
    um until recently they've almost all
  • 00:59:51
    been low fat and it's all and it's
  • 00:59:53
    published scientific evidence in the in
  • 00:59:55
    the 90s too their diets were very some
  • 00:59:58
    of them very very low fat like 10 fat
  • 01:00:01
    um they use you know they use upwards of
  • 01:00:03
    and they they consider carbs much more
  • 01:00:05
    valuable and important to them than
  • 01:00:08
    protein even because carbohydrates are
  • 01:00:11
    protein sparing you know their muscles
  • 01:00:13
    sparing and so it's very interesting you
  • 01:00:16
    know the leanest guys on the planet the
  • 01:00:20
    bodybuilders they're using high carb
  • 01:00:22
    diets to get there usually you know only
  • 01:00:24
    in the last decade have I seen bodybuild
  • 01:00:27
    any bodybuilders using um using
  • 01:00:30
    um low carb diets yeah yeah other than
  • 01:00:33
    for cutting like they do it for cutting
  • 01:00:34
    you know for cutting but then they go
  • 01:00:37
    back to their high carb you know to
  • 01:00:39
    um yeah for the show that's a great
  • 01:00:41
    point because now nowadays
  • 01:00:43
    uh now we talk about uh you know sugary
  • 01:00:46
    baked goods we use they use vegetable
  • 01:00:48
    oils restaurants to use vegetable oils
  • 01:00:51
    um and just cutting out uh just cutting
  • 01:00:54
    out the junk the junk Foods the chips
  • 01:00:55
    and everything
  • 01:00:57
    the processed foods you will feel so
  • 01:00:59
    much better right right and now we
  • 01:01:02
    talked about you know getting rid of the
  • 01:01:03
    sugar getting the refined carbohydrates
  • 01:01:06
    and
  • 01:01:07
    and what I think I think eliminating
  • 01:01:10
    those things are one thing and another
  • 01:01:12
    thing for me for for keto is also is its
  • 01:01:16
    therapeutic effects now because we when
  • 01:01:18
    you're in on ketosis you release beta
  • 01:01:20
    hydroxybutyrate which is a ketone body
  • 01:01:22
    that's made by the liver and that has
  • 01:01:25
    therapeutic effects too in
  • 01:01:27
    in
  • 01:01:28
    repairing the cells in in the
  • 01:01:30
    mitochondria and that has a therapeutic
  • 01:01:33
    effect in in you know mental health and
  • 01:01:36
    then just your overall health I believe
  • 01:01:37
    that is too and I know you talked about
  • 01:01:39
    the elimination part of things which is
  • 01:01:43
    very very important in in changing your
  • 01:01:45
    your lifestyle and most of the things
  • 01:01:49
    that if you just cut the process which
  • 01:01:51
    is to cut the seed oils that you use at
  • 01:01:53
    home you'll feel so much better
  • 01:01:56
    like I guarantee yeah without even yeah
  • 01:01:59
    without even going to Keto
  • 01:02:02
    right and I I would say to people
  • 01:02:05
    um you know wouldn't it be phenomenal to
  • 01:02:08
    know that you cannot die of heart
  • 01:02:13
    disease the number one killer and you
  • 01:02:14
    cannot die or ever get a major cancer I
  • 01:02:19
    believe you can know that and you know
  • 01:02:22
    if you I believe if you go on an
  • 01:02:24
    ancestral diet and you have a
  • 01:02:26
    nutrient-dense diet
  • 01:02:28
    um you know which may include uh you
  • 01:02:31
    know foods like liver
  • 01:02:33
    um or um cold pressed uh uh cod liver
  • 01:02:37
    oil for example so make sure your
  • 01:02:39
    vitamins a d and K2 are high and you're
  • 01:02:42
    you know you're not getting any of these
  • 01:02:44
    toxic foods you've eliminated the
  • 01:02:46
    processed foods and I believe in general
  • 01:02:48
    probably if you've done this for three
  • 01:02:50
    to five years
  • 01:02:52
    I don't think you know you I don't think
  • 01:02:54
    you can get heart uh uh I don't think
  • 01:02:57
    you can die of heart disease and I don't
  • 01:02:58
    think that it's possible to develop a
  • 01:03:00
    major cancer at all I think it will
  • 01:03:03
    almost entirely go away unless you're
  • 01:03:05
    exposed to a major carcinogen
  • 01:03:08
    um I I and even if you are exposed to
  • 01:03:10
    Major carcinogens the evidence shows
  • 01:03:12
    that you're if you drop your omega-6
  • 01:03:16
    linoleic acid consumption down to one
  • 01:03:18
    per you know less than two percent and
  • 01:03:20
    even as low as one percent or less which
  • 01:03:23
    is ancestral
  • 01:03:24
    um does I make a big point of this in
  • 01:03:26
    the book that it's it's very very very
  • 01:03:29
    difficult to develop cancer
  • 01:03:31
    um even if exposed to radiation or
  • 01:03:33
    carcinogens and
  • 01:03:36
    um you know uh so there's so so yeah you
  • 01:03:40
    know you it I think it's just great to
  • 01:03:42
    know these things and you can reverse
  • 01:03:43
    diabetes you know doing this this is how
  • 01:03:46
    you reverse diabetes is you go to an a
  • 01:03:48
    low omega-6 diet you just eliminate the
  • 01:03:51
    vegetable oil so you eliminate the high
  • 01:03:53
    omega-6 from animals that are you know
  • 01:03:55
    that are fed corn and soy oh well beat
  • 01:03:58
    uh pigs and chickens that are fed that
  • 01:04:00
    and have a high omega-6 but this is how
  • 01:04:02
    you get healthy and stay healthy and you
  • 01:04:04
    prevent all this disease this is great
  • 01:04:06
    this is great news for a lot of people
  • 01:04:08
    because if if we say that we don't have
  • 01:04:11
    to be on a certain diet and just get rid
  • 01:04:14
    of seed oils now I know that it also
  • 01:04:16
    means that you know you're baking your
  • 01:04:19
    own uh baked goods you're making your
  • 01:04:21
    own cookies or whatever or you're not
  • 01:04:23
    you're not going to restaurants anymore
  • 01:04:25
    because like you mentioned earlier
  • 01:04:26
    there's not a lot there's no not many
  • 01:04:28
    that doesn't anymore these days right
  • 01:04:30
    and right you just eliminate seed oils
  • 01:04:33
    makes it a lot simpler for people to
  • 01:04:35
    understand
  • 01:04:37
    and which is a which is awesome for a
  • 01:04:39
    lot of people it's a great news for a
  • 01:04:40
    lot of people
  • 01:04:42
    um Dr Chris thank you so much for coming
  • 01:04:44
    on and sharing that story with us and
  • 01:04:46
    sharing your your knowledge about this
  • 01:04:48
    topic this is great news for a lot of
  • 01:04:50
    people
  • 01:04:51
    yes lorenza I appreciate you having me
  • 01:04:53
    on I and here at the very end I kept
  • 01:04:56
    meaning every time you called me Dr
  • 01:04:57
    Chris I kept meaning to say you know
  • 01:04:59
    it's just Chris I don't I don't let
  • 01:05:02
    anybody call me doctor really so
  • 01:05:05
    um anyway I appreciate it though and
  • 01:05:07
    and uh it's been it's been an honor to
  • 01:05:10
    be on your show it's my honor Dr Chris
  • 01:05:12
    Kenobi thank you so much for coming on
  • 01:05:13
    and sharing your story with us today if
  • 01:05:15
    you guys want to grab the book it's out
  • 01:05:17
    on May 15th right yes and then we'll
  • 01:05:20
    link it all in the description box below
  • 01:05:22
    guys and yeah I hope you guys are taking
  • 01:05:25
    notes there's a lot here and I would
  • 01:05:28
    recommend following Dr Chris Kenobi uh
  • 01:05:32
    he's all over YouTube he's he has uh
  • 01:05:36
    tremendous work on on vegetable oils and
  • 01:05:39
    this topic so uh get on that guys and I
  • 01:05:43
    I myself will have to learn more about
  • 01:05:45
    this and educate myself on this and it
  • 01:05:48
    was a pleasure Dr Chris Kenobi
  • 01:05:51
    this is my pleasure Lorenz thank you so
  • 01:05:53
    much appreciate it all right sir
  • 01:05:56
    [Music]
  • 01:06:02
    thank you
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